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2013-05-13 06:07:15 AM  

Virtuoso80: At this point, only a certain percentage of colleges even give you a positive ROI after 30 years: http://www.payscale.com/college-education-value-2013

/Alum of #70


Uh, what?  It looks like all but a handful (30 ish?) have positive ROI over 30 years with aid.  And it looks like all but about 90 school beat 3% annual inflation too.  Plus the methodology and sample size seem sketchy.

/#13
 
2013-05-13 06:08:23 AM  
What I am a bit confused about is how are they going to determine if you fall into the "able to pay group"?
Is it based on income? Why aren't college students treated as Independant adults?
 
2013-05-13 06:13:08 AM  

Hermit Tard: What I am a bit confused about is how are they going to determine if you fall into the "able to pay group"?
Is it based on income? Why aren't college students treated as Independant adults?


Sorry, should read "is it based on parents income?"

Posting from a phone sucks
 
2013-05-13 06:25:04 AM  

thamike: dj_bigbird: It's cute how the students think college is about them.

What does this even mean?


it's about making a profit? Geeez, go get educated or something
 
2013-05-13 06:59:16 AM  

Ned Stark: randomjsa: Tantrum throwing in the face of reality and tough choices doesn't make things change.

except that it frequently does


No, it doesn't. The school is massively in debt. That's reality. They have to make a choice, no matter how tough a call it might be, that's how life works. Their tantrum won't make the debt magically vanish no matter how long they stand around in an office.

That's life and life is unfair.

Either the school has to start charging tuition or it becomes insolvent and closes its doors. Which would you prefer? Choose carefully because remember, a bunch of kids who don't have to choose are going to come sit in your office if they don't like your choice.
 
2013-05-13 07:17:31 AM  

PunGent: sbutler: They're locking the barn door after the horse has left.

Cooper Union financially leveraged themselves into this position years ago. The money simply isn't there, and a protest won't change that. Short of a huge donation to the endowment, I doubt the situation will change.

Don't know about Cooper, but there's a LOT of colleges in trouble...despite tuition rising faster than inflation in many cases.

From friends in academia, I know THEY aren't getting raises...but there's more and more administrators and alumni development officers every budget cycle, with fancier offices.  The hilariously tragic ones are where the alumni fundraising is losing money on overhead, and management decides the solution is to hire MORE fundraisers.

Even a college kid should be able to figure that one out :)

Seems to be an iron law of organizations...those doing the actual work eventually lose out to those with time to focus on empire-building.


That's what happens when one uses the government as a business model.
 
2013-05-13 07:39:07 AM  

pkjun: iheartscotch: $19,000 a semester? Do the give you a 24 carat gold diploma after you finish?

/ knew a kid that went to some artsy fartsy art school in NEW YORK CITY; kid said he expected to have $200,000 in loan debt by the time he was done. All for a photography degree.

// He felt his talents were wasted on the biatchy, spoiled girls that pay $500 to get prom pictures. So; he was going to trade that for no guarentee of future income, a mountian of debt and even biatchier models.

/ I told him that he'd probably end up homeless in Central Park; giving BJs to rich business

That is not particularly high. The average 4-year college degree now costs $33,000 per year, while the market value of having a B.A. drops year to year, and entry-level wages are lower in real terms than at any point in the past half-century.

Of course, all this is probably just because spoiled, elitist Millennials are too lazy to figure out how to bootstrap.


You know how I know you don't have a degree in math, engineering, or accounting?
 
2013-05-13 07:56:12 AM  
As someone who worked his ass off to pay for college, I'm getting a kick out of these responses.
 
2013-05-13 08:01:37 AM  

ultraholland: Starting in the fall of 2014, new students with the ability to pay will be billed for half the tuition costs, currently $19,000 per semester. Current students won't be affected.

The writing has me confused as to whether this $19K is the full tuition or half; that aside, only students who can afford it will pay.


Another article explains it better. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/cooper-union-tuition_n_31409 6 8.html

Tuition has previously and will continue to be  $19k a semester. All students received 100% scholarships (for budgetary reasons making it simply free is difficult). In 2014 new students will only be getting a 50% scholarship, and they will need to pay 9.5k a semester or 19k a year.
 
2013-05-13 08:01:57 AM  
Rice University used to be free too. So suck on it, Cooper Unioners. Suck on it long and hard.
 
2013-05-13 08:09:06 AM  

jedikinkoid: FTFA: "will be billed for half the tuition costs, currently $19,000 per semester"

Even so, it's still over 9000.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-13 08:11:41 AM  
Universities aren't about education.  Hospitals aren't about medicine.  Corporations aren't about products or services.  They're about moving money around, preferably in their direction.
 
2013-05-13 08:17:53 AM  
Meanwhile university presidents are retiring with a MILLION A YEAR.
Oh and $19K IS a lot, you damn brats.

/protested $600 increase
 
2013-05-13 08:19:17 AM  
randomjsa:

No, it doesn't. The school is massively in debt. That's reality. They have to make a choice, no matter how tough a call it might be, that's how life works. Their tantrum won't make the debt magically vanish no matter how long they stand around in an office.

The school is massively in debt because it was poorly managed. And not by the SGA.

That's life and life is unfair.

Life is unfair because it's random. People make choices. There is no reason for PEOPLE to be unfair, except that they are selfish coonts. Someone who uses the cliche "life is unfair" has dropped all pretense of being a decent human being and just wants to shiat all over everyone else.

Either the school has to start charging tuition or it becomes insolvent and closes its doors. Which would you prefer? Choose carefully because remember, a bunch of kids who don't have to choose are going to come sit in your office if they don't like your choice.

I would prefer they listen to the concerns and suggestions of the protesters whom the school has, by accepting them as students, endorsed as the best and brightest of their generation. I would prefer if they looked at alternatives like reducing redundant staff members and exorbitant administration paychecks. I would prefer that the school shuts down entirely, if that is what is necessary to stop the trend of passing the buck to the consumer/victim.

And I wouldn't object if you were to choke on your stupid-ass tongue.
 
2013-05-13 08:21:44 AM  
Seems relevent:

Salaries of public college chiefs rise, median tops $400,000

Enjoy paying off your student loans suckers.
 
2013-05-13 08:29:28 AM  

MindStalker: jedikinkoid: FTFA: "will be billed for half the tuition costs, currently $19,000 per semester"

Even so, it's still over 9000.


Thank you, I was coming here to post that.
 
2013-05-13 08:35:36 AM  

iheartscotch: $19,000 a semester? Do the give you a 24 carat gold diploma after you finish?

/ knew a kid that went to some artsy fartsy art school in NEW YORK CITY; kid said he expected to have $200,000 in loan debt by the time he was done. All for a photography degree.

// He felt his talents were wasted on the biatchy, spoiled girls that pay $500 to get prom pictures. So; he was going to trade that for no guarentee of future income, a mountian of debt and even biatchier models.

/ I told him that he'd probably end up homeless in Central Park; giving BJs to rich business



10 worst majors and Likelihood of working retail
No. 10: English- 1.4 times average

No. 9: Sociology-1.4 times average

No. 8: Drama and theater arts-2.1 times average

No. 7: Liberal arts-1.8 times average

No. 6: Studio arts-2.3 times average

No. 5: Graphic design-0.6 times average

No. 4: Philosophy and religious studies-2.0 times average

No. 3: Film and photography-2.6 times average

No. 2: Fine arts-1.8 times average

No. 1: Anthropology-2.1 times average
 
2013-05-13 08:41:27 AM  

Spanky McStupid: PunGent: sbutler: They're locking the barn door after the horse has left.

Cooper Union financially leveraged themselves into this position years ago. The money simply isn't there, and a protest won't change that. Short of a huge donation to the endowment, I doubt the situation will change.

Don't know about Cooper, but there's a LOT of colleges in trouble...despite tuition rising faster than inflation in many cases.

From friends in academia, I know THEY aren't getting raises...but there's more and more administrators and alumni development officers every budget cycle, with fancier offices.  The hilariously tragic ones are where the alumni fundraising is losing money on overhead, and management decides the solution is to hire MORE fundraisers.

Even a college kid should be able to figure that one out :)

Seems to be an iron law of organizations...those doing the actual work eventually lose out to those with time to focus on empire-building.

That's what happens when one uses the government as a business model.


Never worked in a corporation?

Buddy of mine just got out of a private sector situation where one of the VPs spent the last two years...and nearly ten million dollars...trashing the old computer system everyone relied on and replacing it with one his pet consultants built from scratch.

Naturally, it doesn't work as well, has fewer features and more bugs, and they've had to let people go to pay for it, and work the remaining ones harder to make up for the inefficiency.

The veep-tard, naturally, got promoted.  My buddy is glad to be out of there...the company is on a trajectory for bankruptcy inside of three years.
 
2013-05-13 08:43:36 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Here's a thorough dissection of what Cooper Union did wrong

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/business/how-cooper-unions-endowme nt -failed-in-its-mission.html


"Even so, hedge funds couldn't solve the college's dire financial problems, and many hedge funds have been far more successful at lining the pockets of their managers than beating market averages."

Hey!  you can't criticize the all-knowing private sector!
 
2013-05-13 08:48:23 AM  

PunGent: Buddy of mine just got out of a private sector situation where one of the VPs spent the last two years...and nearly ten million dollars...trashing the old computer system everyone relied on and replacing it with one his pet consultants built from scratch.

Naturally, it doesn't work as well, has fewer features and more bugs, and they've had to let people go to pay for it, and work the remaining ones harder to make up for the inefficiency.


You know how, like, you'd be sitting in a bar hanging out, listening to the conversations and some guy would say "Well, you know, it's not what you know, it's who you blow"?  And you'd chuckle and say, internally. "Well, yeah, but not -really-"?  Well, yeah.  It is.  And fatassed, pigsh*t thick, well connected dullards are regularly rewarded for taking a big fat dump on stuff they don't understand because their cronies made a buck off of it.  And until we find a way to start throwing these dolts and their patrons out of the nearest 30th floor  window, college is pretty much a piss up a rope, regardless of your degree.
 
2013-05-13 08:53:59 AM  
Here's how it works.

Everybody figured out that, since the Fed is printing IOUS, the only way to make money is to print your own.  Gift cards, coupons, reward cards, rebates, hedge funds, investment plans...  It's all a bookie joint.

Here's the beauty of it.  Once all this money is in YOUR hands, you put it into slush funds that create interest, rake the interest off and just set the flow up so that ALL money goes OUT three weeks faster than it comes IN.  Immediate collection of the principal, slow payout, keep the interest.

Colleges, hospitals, banks, PayPal, damn near any web service or payout platform are all in the business of collecting ever increasing fees and sitting on them long enough to collect simple interest and skimming that off the top while making sure that disbursements take ages to process.  You now have an MBA.  Blow the tuition money on a nice car.  Or they will.
 
2013-05-13 09:09:20 AM  
Three weeks SLOWER, sorry.
 
2013-05-13 09:11:58 AM  

remus: So let me get this straight, they have been getting this for free for a long time and now are mad that the next group of students, who can afford it according to the article, might have to actually pay for it?


We want our free stuff! It's a right!
 
2013-05-13 09:14:40 AM  

bmihura: We want our free stuff! It's a right!


No, no.  It's YOUR right.  Not those other  motherf*ckers.  And as long as everybody else is getting screwed over as badly as you, all is well with the world.  That's how power rolls, yo.  Keep the plebes barking at each other, not you.  Cause, hey, as long as everybody gets the same sh*tty deal, life is fair!  See?
 
2013-05-13 09:19:29 AM  

sbutler: They're locking the barn door after the horse has left.

Cooper Union financially leveraged themselves into this position years ago. The money simply isn't there, and a protest won't change that. Short of a huge donation to the endowment, I doubt the situation will change.


They could do what other colleges do, start asking their alumni for cash. They've never really have done that before. Start raising funds!
 
2013-05-13 09:24:54 AM  

pkjun: iheartscotch: $19,000 a semester? Do the give you a 24 carat gold diploma after you finish?

/ knew a kid that went to some artsy fartsy art school in NEW YORK CITY; kid said he expected to have $200,000 in loan debt by the time he was done. All for a photography degree.

// He felt his talents were wasted on the biatchy, spoiled girls that pay $500 to get prom pictures. So; he was going to trade that for no guarentee of future income, a mountian of debt and even biatchier models.

/ I told him that he'd probably end up homeless in Central Park; giving BJs to rich business

That is not particularly high. The average 4-year college degree now costs $33,000 per year, while the market value of having a B.A. drops year to year, and entry-level wages are lower in real terms than at any point in the past half-century.

Of course, all this is probably just because spoiled, elitist Millennials are too lazy to figure out how to bootstrap.


Please tell me that's including out of state tuition.

Back in my day; you could go an entire year on less then $20,000; including food, lodging, books, and booze. To a big 12 college even. Smaller, tech colleges were even cheaper
 
2013-05-13 09:26:02 AM  

pkjun: That is not particularly high. The average 4-year college degree now costs $33,000 per year, while the market value of having a B.A. drops year to year, and entry-level wages are lower in real terms than at any point in the past half-century.


Therefore...
 
2013-05-13 09:33:40 AM  

farkeruk: iheartscotch: / knew a kid that went to some artsy fartsy art school in NEW YORK CITY; kid said he expected to have $200,000 in loan debt by the time he was done. All for a photography degree.

// He felt his talents were wasted on the biatchy, spoiled girls that pay $500 to get prom pictures. So; he was going to trade that for no guarentee of future income, a mountian of debt and even biatchier models.

I have no idea why people are doing photography degrees. The main reason for doing a degree is to have a piece of paper that says you have knowledge in something. In photography, you just show people your photos. That's it.

And most of the theory can be learnt in a few months.

I know a guy who recently went into industrial photography. He'd been a very good amateur and decided it was what he wanted to do. He got kitted out with a reasonable camera (but only a £1500 one) and then did a load of courses, workshops and masterclasses.

A school friend of mine is a pro sports photographer. No qualifications in it.


Indeed.

I told him that he made a lot of money doing the spoiled biatch prom photo thing; and he should keep doing that. That is when he said that he felt that was "a waste of his talent".

/ personally; I think he was going to NEW YORK CITY because, well, I'm pretty sure he was into guys and didn't quite know it yet.

// nttawwt
 
2013-05-13 09:39:26 AM  
iheartscotch:

Back in my day; you could go an entire year on less then $20,000; including food, lodging, books, and booze. To a big 12 college even. Smaller, tech colleges were even cheaper

There's part of the issue here.  A lot of the less than sympathetic comments here show much the same attitude.  Back when we all went to college in 90's, this was true.  But unlike you guys I, who am returning to school, have actually looked at tuition again for the first time in a decade.

And it blew my hair back.

State college now costs what private schools used to cost.  I could have hit ivy league for a few bucks more way back when for the cost of what state schools are now.  I'm kicking myself like you wouldn't believe for having not been on the ball as much as I should have.  Delaying finishing my education is going to cost me many more THOUSANDS of dollars over what it would have cost me back then.  And I make about the same amount of money I did back then while everything else is much more expensive.  Yay progress!

BTW, the income of the top 1% of earners in this country has jumped by a factor of several times since back then.  I'm sure that's entirely unrelated to everything else.  I mean, you can make up wealth out of thin air and it doesn't have to come from somewhere else like being squeezed out of the earnings of the middle class, or so they tell us.  And they must be right, they're rich after all and it's not like they'd lie to us so we wouldn't get cross over them getting richer at our expense or anything.
 
2013-05-13 09:50:06 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Here's a thorough dissection of what Cooper Union did wrong

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/business/how-cooper-unions-endowme nt -failed-in-its-mission.html


Thanks for posting, great article.  They completely farked up.  I mean completely.  It's pretty surprising that they just had to do this NOW considering all the massive fark-ups in the article.  The stupid administration of the college and anyone else involved in the awful decisions in the article should be paying for these students' tuitions themselves.  It's not the students' fault that the administration was completely incompetent.
 
2013-05-13 09:52:10 AM  

burning_bridge: iheartscotch:

Back in my day; you could go an entire year on less then $20,000; including food, lodging, books, and booze. To a big 12 college even. Smaller, tech colleges were even cheaper

There's part of the issue here.  A lot of the less than sympathetic comments here show much the same attitude.  Back when we all went to college in 90's, this was true.  But unlike you guys I, who am returning to school, have actually looked at tuition again for the first time in a decade.

And it blew my hair back.

State college now costs what private schools used to cost.  I could have hit ivy league for a few bucks more way back when for the cost of what state schools are now.  I'm kicking myself like you wouldn't believe for having not been on the ball as much as I should have.  Delaying finishing my education is going to cost me many more THOUSANDS of dollars over what it would have cost me back then.  And I make about the same amount of money I did back then while everything else is much more expensive.  Yay progress!

BTW, the income of the top 1% of earners in this country has jumped by a factor of several times since back then.  I'm sure that's entirely unrelated to everything else.  I mean, you can make up wealth out of thin air and it doesn't have to come from somewhere else like being squeezed out of the earnings of the middle class, or so they tell us.  And they must be right, they're rich after all and it's not like they'd lie to us so we wouldn't get cross over them getting richer at our expense or anything.


Welcome to my world. It's the reason that, while I'm keeping my certifications updated, I haven't gone back to school. I'm honestly wondering when the "college bubble" pops, when getting a degree from Bumfark U isn't worth the 150,000+ in student loans, and getting a degree from Harvard or Yale is simply impossible without wealth (which, I think, is the intent.)
 
2013-05-13 09:55:37 AM  

TheSelphie: BarkingUnicorn: Here's a thorough dissection of what Cooper Union did wrong

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/business/how-cooper-unions-endowme nt -failed-in-its-mission.html

Thanks for posting, great article.  They completely farked up.  I mean completely.  It's pretty surprising that they just had to do this NOW considering all the massive fark-ups in the article.  The stupid administration of the college and anyone else involved in the awful decisions in the article should be paying for these students' tuitions themselves.  It's not the students' fault that the administration was completely incompetent.


Indeed - thanks for the article. What a friggin' mess.
 
2013-05-13 10:04:06 AM  

FormlessOne: getting a degree from Harvard or Yale is simply impossible without wealth (which, I think, is the intent.)


i1198.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-13 10:10:17 AM  

burning_bridge: iheartscotch:

Back in my day; you could go an entire year on less then $20,000; including food, lodging, books, and booze. To a big 12 college even. Smaller, tech colleges were even cheaper

There's part of the issue here.  A lot of the less than sympathetic comments here show much the same attitude.  Back when we all went to college in 90's, this was true.  But unlike you guys I, who am returning to school, have actually looked at tuition again for the first time in a decade.

And it blew my hair back.

State college now costs what private schools used to cost.  I could have hit ivy league for a few bucks more way back when for the cost of what state schools are now.  I'm kicking myself like you wouldn't believe for having not been on the ball as much as I should have.  Delaying finishing my education is going to cost me many more THOUSANDS of dollars over what it would have cost me back then.  And I make about the same amount of money I did back then while everything else is much more expensive.  Yay progress!

BTW, the income of the top 1% of earners in this country has jumped by a factor of several times since back then.  I'm sure that's entirely unrelated to everything else.  I mean, you can make up wealth out of thin air and it doesn't have to come from somewhere else like being squeezed out of the earnings of the middle class, or so they tell us.  And they must be right, they're rich after all and it's not like they'd lie to us so we wouldn't get cross over them getting richer at our expense or anything.


Blame the government.

Why shouldn't a state school charge $25,000 per year when they know anyone can get a federal student loan for $25,000 per year?

I would be willing to bet if the feds limited student loans to $10,000 per year, state university tuition would come crashing down.
 
2013-05-13 10:46:55 AM  

Virtuoso80: At this point, only a certain percentage of colleges even give you a positive ROI after 30 years: http://www.payscale.com/college-education-value-2013

/Alum of #70


No mention of Bovine University???
 
2013-05-13 10:47:28 AM  

iheartscotch: farkeruk: iheartscotch: / knew a kid that went to some artsy fartsy art school in NEW YORK CITY; kid said he expected to have $200,000 in loan debt by the time he was done. All for a photography degree.

// He felt his talents were wasted on the biatchy, spoiled girls that pay $500 to get prom pictures. So; he was going to trade that for no guarentee of future income, a mountian of debt and even biatchier models.

I have no idea why people are doing photography degrees. The main reason for doing a degree is to have a piece of paper that says you have knowledge in something. In photography, you just show people your photos. That's it.

And most of the theory can be learnt in a few months.

I know a guy who recently went into industrial photography. He'd been a very good amateur and decided it was what he wanted to do. He got kitted out with a reasonable camera (but only a £1500 one) and then did a load of courses, workshops and masterclasses.

A school friend of mine is a pro sports photographer. No qualifications in it.

Indeed.

I told him that he made a lot of money doing the spoiled biatch prom photo thing; and he should keep doing that. That is when he said that he felt that was "a waste of his talent".

/ personally; I think he was going to NEW YORK CITY because, well, I'm pretty sure he was into guys and didn't quite know it yet.

// nttawwt


I always thought that photography was something that you take as a minor to another program or a second major. For example I have a friend who is majoring in some Business field and minoring in photography and graphic design. He has a small promotion and advertising business right now and wanted to learn how to expand it and be able to keep it viable. He is doing the photography and graphic design stuff because he creates his own flyers and promotional literature and wanted to learn the latest equipment used for that stuff and to learn all aspects of what went into it.
 
2013-05-13 10:52:16 AM  

randomjsa: Tantrum throwing in the face of reality and tough choices doesn't make things change.


Wow, I've never heard you say anything critical of Republicans before... bravo!
 
2013-05-13 11:02:12 AM  

randomjsa: Tantrum throwing in the face of reality and tough choices doesn't make things change.


And yet we wonder why countries like India and China absolutely murder us when it comes to brain power.
 
2013-05-13 11:16:31 AM  

FormlessOne: getting a degree from Harvard or Yale is simply impossible without wealth (which, I think, is the intent.)


Well.. Harvard will actually let anyone go for free if they genuinely cant afford it.  They'd rather have the talent, they dont need the money.
 
2013-05-13 11:16:47 AM  

thamike: dj_bigbird: It's cute how the students think college is about them.

What does this even mean?


It means that colleges don't really exist to educate students anymore. That their goals are irrelevant. What counts at college is the number of admins, professors, bigger budgets, more buildings, more benefits for the staff, sports (to raise revenue) etc. etc. The students are just the conduit of money from the federal government (student loans, grants) to the college. The students are then saddled with inescapable debt. Great blog about this mess here: http://edububble.com/dpp/
 
2013-05-13 11:31:28 AM  
It's true that college in the US is turning into a for-profit industry, and yes, there are other ramifications on down the line; economic, social, and eventually even moral and ethical - not that an education itself is a moral issue like some people think, but the think of what the loss or reduction of some professionals, like doctors, would do.

However, those are the problems of the people running the colleges, of how the governments (federal, state, etc) guide them, and indirectly, by the population as a whole, who are more concerned with college sports than a college education.

These are all important questions that need solving, but have nothing to do with the direct worries of a student.

The problem a student faces today is in comparison, much more simple: Looked at as an investment, will the time and money I spend on college, on a specific degree, result in a skill set or accreditation which appears to exceed the initial investment?  Anything else, everything else leading up to that assumption of risk is unimportant in this brief investigation. If you do not do this simple analysis, and you cannot afford to lose the investment, yet press on anyway, then you are either stupid or willfully ignorant.
 
2013-05-13 11:31:35 AM  

dj_bigbird: It means that colleges don't really exist to educate students anymore. That their goals are irrelevant. What counts at college is the number of admins, professors, bigger budgets, more buildings, more benefits for the staff, sports (to raise revenue) etc. etc. The students are just the conduit of money from the federal government (student loans, grants) to the college. The students are then saddled with inescapable debt.


coachotis.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-13 11:34:26 AM  
America now has one industry, in case you haven't noticed.  One.  That industry is debt.  Pick an access point, bend over and sign here.
 
2013-05-13 11:51:08 AM  
So a private entity, that used to give away it's product for free now decides they need to charge for it and people are upset because why?

Hey kiddies, if you feel so strongly about it, why not pledge some of your income as alumnus rather than "occupy" the presidents office and pout?

oh, you want other people to solve this problem.
 
2013-05-13 11:51:30 AM  
Waah!  My school is no longer giving a free ride to their new students.  Waah!  Seriously, did they really think that the university can sustain that?  What utopia do they believe they are living in?
 
2013-05-13 11:53:25 AM  

bunner: America now has one industry, in case you haven't noticed.  One.  That industry is debt.  Pick an access point, bend over and sign here.


I thought the industry was entertainment.  Be it movies, tv, music, sports, or pr0n.
 
2013-05-13 11:53:56 AM  

Danger Mouse: Hey kiddies


And, that's where you sh*t the bed.   :  )
 
2013-05-13 11:56:19 AM  

PsyLord: bunner: America now has one industry, in case you haven't noticed.  One.  That industry is debt.  Pick an access point, bend over and sign here.

I thought the industry was entertainment.  Be it movies, tv, music, sports, or pr0n.


And now it's time for the Filming Regular People At Work Hour, brought to you by people selling debt!
 
2013-05-13 12:16:12 PM  
Ha! I graduated in 93 and paid about $1500 per semester for (arguably) the best engineering school in Canada. Suckers!
 
2013-05-13 12:37:59 PM  
A simple explanation of what will happen if the rate for student loans goes down (short answer: students get screwed) http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/the-seen-and-unseen-of-federal- s tudent-loans#axzz2TBQosWcj
 
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