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2013-05-12 10:31:53 PM  

msP: is... is this woman for real? the police consider it bad enough to merit opening a case and the principal is still saying only an "incident report" needs to be filed... wtf?


In some places, school administrators get paid a bonus depending upon the number of crimes that occur during school year. This, of course, leads to said administrators simply failing to report crimes as they are required to.
 
2013-05-12 10:32:12 PM  
According to TFA, this was the principals response as reported by the mother, who is also complaining that the school made her daughter fill out an incident report.

Assuming that she didn't do a Michael Jackson and just lost a little haor, how about giving the school the benefit of a doubt until they fail to punish the offenders.
 
2013-05-12 10:32:54 PM  
But let them grab an assault pencil and it's a completely different thing altogether.
 
2013-05-12 10:33:42 PM  
FTA: "I think 10 days they might think about it," O'Conner said. "Two days off, your not really thinking about it. At any other school they would expel you."

Boooooo this article
 
2013-05-12 10:36:40 PM  

Charlie Chingas: Well, he was right. These things happen. Things happen all the time.


i86.photobucket.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRm5WcjOikQ
 
2013-05-12 10:36:49 PM  
put them in the cage with ronda rousey
 
2013-05-12 10:38:10 PM  

oukewldave: ♪ This girl is on fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrre  ♪ ....


We didn't start the fire, it was always burning since the girl was learning...
 
2013-05-12 10:40:30 PM  
Middle school girls are demons walking the Earth.

If two boys have a beef, they fight after school and usually end up pals later on. When two girls have a beef, one will try the most dirty, underhanded shiat against the other one. Usually they will hold grudges that last through high school and beyond.

I laugh when I hear girls mature faster than boys.

/I work in schools and see this drama all the time.
 
2013-05-12 10:45:14 PM  
This again supports mu hypothesis that the average public school administrator in this country is a useless piece of shiat
 
2013-05-12 10:45:44 PM  

Whatthefark: Middle school girls are demons walking the Earth.

If two boys have a beef, they fight after school and usually end up pals later on. When two girls have a beef, one will try the most dirty, underhanded shiat against the other one. Usually they will hold grudges that last through high school and beyond.

I laugh when I hear girls mature faster than boys.

/I work in schools and see this drama all the time.


Some females never get over this type of catty, petty BS. The last time I stopped in my neighborhood dive for a quick cocktail I walked into drama of this sort involving the weight and pant size of a regular female patron. These women were in their late 40's and early 50's, 2 of them Grandmothers. I haven't been back.

/disgrace to my gender
 
2013-05-12 10:45:49 PM  
FTA

Her mother said the school officials told her they couldn't do anything if it was just words.

No.  I'm sorry but if you're going to do all these PSA's about anti-bullying and how you should tell an adult.  Then it's implied that the adults will actually do something about the bullying or at least take measures to investigate/mitigate it.  You can't leave the kid hanging when they do take the brave (and it is brave, just not in a running into a burning house brave) step of telling an adult about bullying that is going on.

/That's leaving out the fact that this is obviously assault.
 
2013-05-12 10:57:00 PM  

cmb53208: This again supports mu hypothesis that the average public school administrator in this country is a useless piece of shiat


But we are not supposed to allow parents the choice of home schooling or non-government schools (unless they are rich)
 
2013-05-12 11:05:03 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Whatthefark: Middle school girls are demons walking the Earth.

If two boys have a beef, they fight after school and usually end up pals later on. When two girls have a beef, one will try the most dirty, underhanded shiat against the other one. Usually they will hold grudges that last through high school and beyond.

I laugh when I hear girls mature faster than boys.

/I work in schools and see this drama all the time.

Some females never get over this type of catty, petty BS. The last time I stopped in my neighborhood dive for a quick cocktail I walked into drama of this sort involving the weight and pant size of a regular female patron. These women were in their late 40's and early 50's, 2 of them Grandmothers. I haven't been back.

/disgrace to my gender


Ahahahah so one one them called the other fat I'm guessing? Lol old women fighting over dumb shiat like that sounds hilarious.
/Still a disgrace to our gender though.
 
2013-05-12 11:07:35 PM  
It should be legal for this girl to go all colombine. If you refuse to deal with bullies then you get. O sympathy when the bullies respond
 
2013-05-12 11:13:39 PM  

Sim Tree: msP: is... is this woman for real? the police consider it bad enough to merit opening a case and the principal is still saying only an "incident report" needs to be filed... wtf?

In some places, school administrators get paid a bonus depending upon the number of crimes that occur during school year. This, of course, leads to said administrators simply failing to report crimes as they are required to.


I kinda figured it was something like this.  Just like rapes get swept under the table (or at least out of cops' hands) to make colleges look better to the incoming classes.  My college had to list there was like 9 rapes reported the previous 3 years when I was enrolling, after attending for two years and hearing stories, the real # probably should've been reported at least 25+ for that time period.
 
2013-05-12 11:21:37 PM  
To all future school shooters:

If you're going to go apesh*t and spray up a school with bullets anyway, could you please do everyone a favor and target the Principal first? Many thanks!
 
2013-05-12 11:27:10 PM  

Warlordtrooper: It should be legal for this girl to go all colombine. If you refuse to deal with bullies then you get. O sympathy when the bullies respond


Stuff like this was happening there.
 
2013-05-12 11:29:14 PM  
FTFA: O'Conner and Butler were told both girls received three-day suspensions, but they doesn't believe that was enough.

"I think 10 days they might think about it," O'Conner said. "Two days off, your not really thinking about it. At any other school they would expel you."


They set a girl's hair on fire. They should be expelled.
 
2013-05-12 11:32:43 PM  

illannoyin: Charlie Chingas: Well, he was right. These things happen. Things happen all the time.

[i86.photobucket.com image 492x365]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRm5WcjOikQ


GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

/guess not obscure enough...
 
2013-05-12 11:34:18 PM  
School sucked for me throughout jr high because of bullies like this.  They usually knew how to do just enough so that it would just be my word and they could play dumb.  Finally I realized no teacher or admin was going to help; I had to stand up to the bullies in a meaningful way (make them suffer).  It wasn't fun or pretty, but I made it clear enough that if they farked with me they would be farked with 10x harder.  I couldn't fight worth a damn so it was other stuff.  Some of them backed off, and the remaining few lost their doubts after I spent some time suspended and in juvie for some totally insane shiat.  After that no one bothered me.

All because some farking administrators wouldn't do their jobs.  farking weak assholes.  Someone sent me a news clip of when the principal got fired a few years later, I cheered.
 
2013-05-12 11:42:45 PM  
So, pointing your finger/pencil/potato at another student and saying "BANG" will get you expelled from school, BUT setting another student's hair on fire is just a 3 day suspension?

Unreal
 
2013-05-12 11:50:42 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: O'Conner and Butler were told both girls received three-day suspensions, but they doesn't believe that was enough."I think 10 days they might think about it," O'Conner said. "Two days off, your not really thinking about it. At any other school they would expel you."They set a girl's hair on fire. They should be expelled.


What are the odds that "journalist" went to that same crappy school?
 
2013-05-12 11:51:24 PM  
Thomas Jefferson Middle School, Waukegan, Illinois
School Ethnicity
Hispanic 71%
White, non-Hispanic 4%
Black, non-Hispanic 22%
Asian/Pacific Islander 2%
/Just in case anyone is interested in such things
 
2013-05-12 11:54:18 PM  

a61sun: So, pointing your finger/pencil/potato at another student and saying "BANG" will get you expelled from school, BUT setting another student's hair on fire is just a 3 day suspension?

Unreal


I think they are protected by the First Amendment.  That was an act of artistic expression.  Now, if they had yelled "FIRE" instead...
 
2013-05-12 11:59:05 PM  
The rational part of me says the girls should be expelled.

The crazy part of me says they should be dipped in Nair and forced to draw their eyebrows back on with sharpie.
 
2013-05-13 12:16:06 AM  
Things happen

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-13 12:17:10 AM  
images4.wikia.nocookie.net

Is rightly appalled by the entire story.
 
2013-05-13 12:42:07 AM  
FTFA:

"O'Conner said her daughter is really shy and has been too scared to go to school because of teasing. But she plans on taking her daughter on Monday and stay with her the whole day if she has to do that.

Ah, that'll help. Nothing calms bullies down like your mom guarding you in school all day.
 
2013-05-13 12:51:30 AM  

sheep snorter: once upon a time there used to be some people you would call when you get assaulted like that.

/ghostbusters?
//Oh its the Po-lice.
///Nightsticks to beat out the fire, mandatory in some areas.


When I had bully troubles in school they were useless.  The problem is that the kids were "too young" (8th grade doesn't seem too young to me!) and the system wouldn't do anything to them.  Thus the police wouldn't bother unless it was something serious.  (Which of course "worked" in that there was no repeat problem--because any victim learned not to say anything.)

msP: is... is this woman for real? the police consider it bad enough to merit opening a case and the principal is still saying only an "incident report" needs to be filed... wtf?


Why do you think we have a bully problem in schools?

SilentStrider: Charges and jail time for arson, aggravated assault, and attempted murder. These things happen.


I wouldn't go with attempted murder.  The others, though.

aevorea: The school district where I work gives out 3 day OSSs for possessing tobacco products, which includes lighters. Fighting gets kids 5-20 days OSSs, depending on the severity of the assault (and if it's more than 10 days, the case is then kicked over to the district office to determine if the kid should be expelled or not). Furthermore, if the assault results in serious injury to a person or damage to an object/property, the kid is given a shiny pair of chained bracelets and driven to the local jail.


Good so long as you don't punish someone who was simply defending themselves.

CaptSS: I say expel the girl/s that did it once proven. And if it's proven there is a pattern of bullying from this girl or girls, then all the better. Criminal charges yes but I don't think attempted murder, as commented by another Farker, will fly. Don't know that aggravated assault will either as there was no mention of serious bodily injury. Burnt hair is cosmetic and a punch to the forehead most likely will be simple assault. But a simple three day suspension is a joke.


Don't bother with expelling them, just grant a restraining order against them.  It will de-facto expel them they won't be able to be in school when she is but it will also keep them out of any future school she is in.

ReluctantPaladin: No. I'm sorry but if you're going to do all these PSA's about anti-bullying and how you should tell an adult. Then it's implied that the adults will actually do something about the bullying or at least take measures to investigate/mitigate it. You can't leave the kid hanging when they do take the brave (and it is brave, just not in a running into a burning house brave) step of telling an adult about bullying that is going on.


But if you ignore it you solve the problem right there--the victim certainly isn't going to report it again.
 
2013-05-13 01:13:15 AM  

SilentStrider: Charges and jail time for arson, aggravated assault, and attempted murder. These things happen.


Exactly. I don't always agree with the police presence in schools, but this is one of those occasions where they should have been immediately called.
 
2013-05-13 01:18:56 AM  

aevorea: The school district where I work gives out 3 day OSSs for possessing tobacco products, which includes lighters.


When I was a kid, associating lighters with tobacco products would have gotten you a 'huh?' look.

Grew up in a non-smoking family that did a lot of camping.  A lighter was often easier than a match for lighting things like the propane stove.

On the story - I'm a bit torn.  On the one hand, we have administrators that report the stupidest things to the police and expel kids for making a 'gun' with a pop tart.  On the other, here's a situation where the principal seems to NOT be calling for police intervention.  Where you do draw the line?

Not saying that the kids shouldn't face consequences, but the question would be whether criminal ones are appropriate.
 
2013-05-13 02:53:23 AM  

Firethorn: aevorea: The school district where I work gives out 3 day OSSs for possessing tobacco products, which includes lighters.

When I was a kid, associating lighters with tobacco products would have gotten you a 'huh?' look.

Grew up in a non-smoking family that did a lot of camping.  A lighter was often easier than a match for lighting things like the propane stove.

On the story - I'm a bit torn.  On the one hand, we have administrators that report the stupidest things to the police and expel kids for making a 'gun' with a pop tart.  On the other, here's a situation where the principal seems to NOT be calling for police intervention.  Where you do draw the line?

Not saying that the kids shouldn't face consequences, but the question would be whether criminal ones are appropriate.


7/10.  Nothing provokes a reaction like someone who seems to be on the fence.  There's a possibility of converting him to your side, so it's worth an effort that an obviously lost  soul isn't worth.
 
2013-05-13 05:04:43 AM  
I think we can all agree that the most important question we should be asking about this (before ironically burning the Principal at the stake based on reports from the mother of what he said) is how are the standardized test scores at this school?
 
2013-05-13 07:16:18 AM  

Whatthefark: Middle school girls are demons walking the Earth.

If two boys have a beef, they fight after school and usually end up pals later on. When two girls have a beef, one will try the most dirty, underhanded shiat against the other one. Usually they will hold grudges that last through high school and beyond.

I laugh when I hear girls mature faster than boys.

/I work in schools and see this drama all the time.


You want to see crazy? There were a lot of Puerto Rican chicks at my middle school, and those b*tches DO NOT play around. When they get pissed off, they fight like rabid dogs. They will tear out huge chunks of hair, rip out piercings, scratch you hard enough to leave nail pieces embedded in the skin, and kick the living sh*t out of you even after you're down. I've seen fights between PR girls that would make Mike Tyson cry.
 
2013-05-13 07:26:11 AM  

Vangor: O'Conner said her daughter is really shy and has been too scared to go to school because of teasing. But she plans on taking her daughter on Monday and stay with her the whole day if she has to do that.

No, don't do this. She has friends now watching more closely for her, and before the other girls get back there needs to be some procedures in place to assure as minimal contact as possible such as directing them down other hallways.

Her mother said the school officials told her they couldn't do anything if it was just words.

Bullsh*t. You can minimize contact between periods, during lunch, and in classes as well as have some interventions via teachers not only for consequences for the girls but to support this girl in the case of further issues. If this continues with words, frequently, this would be bullying.

Butler transferred from North Chicago this year and has always been on the honor roll. O'Conner said she signed papers so she can skip a grade next year, but it will put her in the same class as the other two girls.

I doubt this will place them in the same classes. She is being accelerated, whereas the other girls are likely low achievers.


Gym class. That's where the bullies really shine!

Unless she's in the accelerated gym class...
 
2013-05-13 07:40:37 AM  

Vangor: O'Conner said her daughter is really shy and has been too scared to go to school because of teasing. But she plans on taking her daughter on Monday and stay with her the whole day if she has to do that.

No, don't do this. She has friends now watching more closely for her, and before the other girls get back there needs to be some procedures in place to assure as minimal contact as possible such as directing them down other hallways.

Her mother said the school officials told her they couldn't do anything if it was just words.

Bullsh*t. You can minimize contact between periods, during lunch, and in classes as well as have some interventions via teachers not only for consequences for the girls but to support this girl in the case of further issues. If this continues with words, frequently, this would be bullying.

Butler transferred from North Chicago this year and has always been on the honor roll. O'Conner said she signed papers so she can skip a grade next year, but it will put her in the same class as the other two girls.

I doubt this will place them in the same classes. She is being accelerated, whereas the other girls are likely low achievers.


Why in the world should those girls be permitted back there?
 
2013-05-13 08:07:26 AM  

SilentStrider: Charges and jail time for arson, aggravated assault, and attempted murder. These things happen.


This is what I was thinking. The crazy girls should be in jail.
 
2013-05-13 08:46:05 AM  
Some kids need a severe beating. I don't care how much horseshiat child psychologists shovel, classical conditioning works on human beings just the same as it does on animals.

You set a little girl's hair on fire? You get your head shaved and you stand in front of the lunchroom for a half hour every day holding a sign saying what you did. Inside the doors, out of your range of vision, is a button that will deliver a brief and painful electric shock to the offenders. Any student who wants to can press it up to three times each day.
 
2013-05-13 08:49:42 AM  

ltr77: I think we can all agree that the most important question we should be asking about this (before ironically burning the Principal at the stake based on reports from the mother of what he said) is how are the standardized test scores at this school?





I was going to say low just based on location but I decided to b fair and look it up


Middle schools in Waukegan Central Unified School District 60

Thomas Jefferson Middle School-Statewide Rank 1228th (of 1377)
 
2013-05-13 09:19:37 AM  

Whatthefark: Middle school girls are demons walking the Earth.

If two boys have a beef, they fight after school and usually end up pals later on. When two girls have a beef, one will try the most dirty, underhanded shiat against the other one. Usually they will hold grudges that last through high school and beyond.

I laugh when I hear girls mature faster than boys.

/I work in schools and see this drama all the time.


You're on crack.  This never happens... the boys NEVER end up friends after.  White Lifetime Movie are you watching looking out of your navel???

This is felony assault... and the principal should be fired for not calling the police immediately! Why the hell don't real life rules apply in school?!?!?
 
2013-05-13 09:20:16 AM  
*What* not White
 
2013-05-13 09:27:33 AM  
Seriously? This article is full of fail. Fail parenting, fail principal, fail bullies...
 
2013-05-13 09:34:30 AM  
I had a strange childhood.

Throughout the late 80's, 90's and early 00's I had an ongoing war with a gang of bully's. One of the kid's, whose parents owned a towing company, threw a bunch of flares in my yard and almost burned down my parent's house. To this day I don't know why my parents didn't call the cops. I later stabbed that same kid with an umbrella (with sharp metal tip) and nobody did anything about it.

Spent a lot of time in school suspension for violence. Banned from the bus. I was even forced by the school to apologize to a bully for defending myself once. I console myself with the fact that they had to jump me as a group and were scared to get caught alone on the street.

These days, the stuff we did would be jail or prison.
 
2013-05-13 12:22:18 PM  
"Knocking him down won the first fight. I wanted to win all the next ones, too. So they'd leave me alone."
-Andrew "Ender" Wiggin
 
2013-05-13 02:26:35 PM  

Keeve: "Knocking him down won the first fight. I wanted to win all the next ones, too. So they'd leave me alone."
-Andrew "Ender" Wiggin


Which is why he then proceeded to kill the aggressor by smashing his scrotum so hard that it ruptured.

It's worth noting that that scene took place in a shower, while naked and soaped up.
 
2013-05-13 07:39:20 PM  

Kahabut: Keeve: "Knocking him down won the first fight. I wanted to win all the next ones, too. So they'd leave me alone."
-Andrew "Ender" Wiggin

Which is why he then proceeded to kill the aggressor by smashing his scrotum so hard that it ruptured.

It's worth noting that that scene took place in a shower, while naked and soaped up.


I think the above line refers to the fight against the bully in school, right after Ender's monitor was removed...

/ sorry
// my favorite book
/// picky mode <off>
 
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