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2013-05-12 10:32:37 PM  
Delay: Is it too soon to discuss ways to reduce gun violence?

NRA: Second amendment rights Gun sales trump ways to reduce gun violence.
 
2013-05-12 10:33:02 PM  
(CNN) - Abdul Aziz believes he was standing right next to a shooter Sunday when gunmen opened fire at a Mother's Day parade in New Orleans, injuring 19 people.

"Everyone around me, except me, was shot," he said. "I was pretty fortunate to get away."
 
2013-05-12 10:33:07 PM  

jcooli09: doglover: Krieghund: hardinparamedic: Nope. Gun-related killings dropped below 6,000 in 2011.

What? That isn't what your link says.

It says there were 8,583 homicide-by-gun victims in 2011.

It also doesn't give the statistics for suicide by gun or for accidental gun deaths, so it's an incomplete picture.

Suicide doesn't count.

People will find a way to kill themselves.

Most suicide attempts are failures, but four of the top five most successful methods involve firearms.  Yes, suicides count.


You are correct. By implementing stringent gun control, the United States could lower its suicide rate to that seen in France, Belgium, Austria or New Zealand.
 
2013-05-12 10:46:31 PM  

Dimensio: jcooli09: doglover: Krieghund: hardinparamedic: Nope. Gun-related killings dropped below 6,000 in 2011.

What? That isn't what your link says.

It says there were 8,583 homicide-by-gun victims in 2011.

It also doesn't give the statistics for suicide by gun or for accidental gun deaths, so it's an incomplete picture.

Suicide doesn't count.

People will find a way to kill themselves.

Most suicide attempts are failures, but four of the top five most successful methods involve firearms.  Yes, suicides count.

You are correct. By implementing stringent gun control, the United States could lower its suicide rate to that seen in France, Belgium, Austria or New Zealand.


yes, that was exactly my point.

Don't worry, we're all well aware that the number of guns in this country has nothing to do with the amount of mayhem, and that more guns are likely to improve the situation.
 
2013-05-12 10:48:56 PM  

technofiend: This has nothing do to with guns and everything to do with the fact parts of New Orleans are a complete shiathole filled with knuckleheads who have no respect for human life.


I'm glad you at least said "parts." Too many people assume that the entire city is a war zone when the vast majority of the murders occur in few select areas. And it's not so much organized gang-related as it is a bunch of individual ghetto cowboys who shoot for being looked at funny (real or perceived). The rest are indeed drug-related, but the problem here is that it's not highly organized and thus far more difficult to police.

The odds of being shot in the rest of the town are roughly on par with any other major city. Even the French Quarter, which is dirty because you people won't stop trashing it, is largely safe. The Quarter's biggest problem is petty crime, drunken shenanigans, and robbery...just like any other concentrated drinking district in any other town. But murder? It's fairly rare.

Shootings at parades (second-line or otherwise) are sadly somewhat common. It seems to be at least an annual occurrence. But again, these aren't common at the type of parade a tourist would be watching roll down St. Charles Ave, though it has happened in the past. But in some areas (Treme is one of them), second-liners and Mardis Gras Indians are at odds with the NOPD precisely because the gatherings tend to spark violence between people with grudges, or just assholes that want to cause the most damage. It's not the second-liners' or Indians' fault; it's a bunch of jackass kids who were never taught right from wrong and make the whole event look uncivilized.

Parades are a huge part of New Orleans culture. I've seen the Macy's parade and my then-GF and I looked at each like, "This is is? Some floating cartoon characters and a bunch of white kids who can't play soul? Nobody parades like NOLA does, and it's extremely disheartening that sometimes it ends up in bloodshed.

/the good news is that the community is going to shun the perps when they're caught. You don't f*ck up a New Orleans second-line, son. Nobody is going to stand up for you.
 
2013-05-12 10:49:43 PM  
Thanks a lot Hallmark.
 
2013-05-12 10:52:07 PM  

fusillade762: I heard that song in a Kia Forte commercial [...]


img713.imageshack.us

/profoundly positive associations being destroyed by accusations of commercial prostitution...
//must. not. listen.
 
2013-05-12 10:52:45 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Ghastly: Second Amendment isn't about hunting, nice try Fudd. And it's not exclusively about home defense either. It's about defending yourself from tyranny. If the government is coming for you then you should be allowed by the Second Amendment to lob as many grenades as you can at the fascists.

Not sure if serious.


24.media.tumblr.com

Poe's law! Knock out punch!
 
2013-05-12 10:55:40 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: djkutch: Nabb1: globalwarmingpraiser: So three people teamed up to shoot up a parade. Is it going to be some Teabaggers, some unhappy african americans, or some mooslims?

The 7th Ward in New Orleans isn't really known as a hot bed of Tea Party activism. It is, however, known for lots of gang violence.

Lootie types, eh?

Here's the thing I don't understand. How is that criminals get guns? Theft, sure. Otherwise, isn't the original purchase by a Jesus loving American?

Theft, black market importation, or straw purchasers.


==============

All guns start off being sold legally by licensed dealers.  Once out of the hands of dealers, they really are very few enforceable restrictions on what they are transferred.
 
2013-05-12 11:06:28 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: black market importation


so racist. non-black people buy guns, too, bro.
 
2013-05-12 11:11:04 PM  

coeyagi: Anyone want to take a guess when this thread will hit a thousand posts?  I am guessing 6:15 pm EST.


Since one out of every 4 posts is from your misguided liberal arse, I expect a thousand posts before long.

/ ...not a slash
// end of rant
///rhymes with rant
 
2013-05-12 11:25:50 PM  

fusillade762: Gleeman: no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776

[upload.wikimedia.org image 685x599]

[myliteraryquest.files.wordpress.com image 340x340]

:=)


That's more like 1476. Just sayin'.
 
2013-05-12 11:34:50 PM  

Nemo's Brother: ontariolightning: Quantum Apostrophe: The USA is a factory for making people mentally ill and arming them.

this could be stopped if healthcare was paid for by taxes. People in the US often go without seeing doctors for years when they have conditions to be treated. Its also one less thing to worry about when you lose your job.

If we export all of our illegals to Canada, how long will your health care system survive?  1, maybe 2 weeks?


Because there are no illegal immigrants in Canada..

/care to play again?.
 
2013-05-12 11:38:41 PM  
You know where you never hear about mass shootings? Public libraries. Because no one can be bothered to f*cking read a book anymore.
 
2013-05-12 11:47:42 PM  
Someone got shot in New Orleans? This is surely a newsbreaking story.
 
2013-05-13 12:04:02 AM  
Haha, all these wishful thinking people believe gun control would stop people in NOLA hoods from killing each other. People in nola hoods really dont give a rat's ass what's going on in Washington in regards to gun control, the beefs will be solved no matter what.

This is actually a good story. No one died apparently.

/jaded
 
2013-05-13 12:11:45 AM  

coco ebert: NOLA farker dickfreckle, where y'at!?


Livin' the dream, baby, livin' the dream.
 
2013-05-13 12:12:21 AM  

radarlove: Being in a gang has nothing to do with looking for a father figure.  It has everything to do with trying to survive in a world with such severe income disparity that you are forced to cast aside any semblance of human empathy and become a sociopath just so that you can live another day.


I believe there is sociopathy, but it is not caused by lack of money. There have been many, many kind and noble persons who were not wealthy. Jesus said that you cannot serve both God and mammon (money).

Our policies of selfishness and our apathetic and unsympathetic attitudes toward our brothers and sisters turn our brothers and sisters into violent animals.

Creating welfare benefits and Medicare/Medicaid was a selfish policy? Maybe it was. It made it possible for young girls to emancipate and get enough money to live on without working. All they had to do was slut themselves out and pop out a bastard at the earliest opportunity. Then they found out they could get a few more dollars a month for every new child so they bred as many brats as they could, children that they did not want, and often abused, beat, starved, or kicked out of the house to survive in the streets all day. That is the real source of the sociopathy, if you ask me.  And the males who knocked them up were encouraged to be absent by the very same welfare policies that would cut the baby mama's benefits if there was any responsible male around, giving her any money or helping her in any way. And if they got married, benefits would be cut even further if not cut off entirely. So maybe the welfare state of giving away free money is apathetic and unsympathetic after all. Or rather, welfare policies meant well, but the system was gamed by those sociopathic animals you mention, creating generations of abused unwanted fatherless kids who were not raised right and became violent.
 
2013-05-13 12:15:32 AM  

Marine1: engrained social problems that stem back decades from conditions that rarely existed outside of the US (poor immigrants, racism, etc.).


If you think that poor immigrants and racism do not exist outside of the US, you are truly ignorant. You should travel a bit, maybe you would appreciate the US more.
 
2013-05-13 12:18:06 AM  

Infernalist: Clearly, if everyone had been armed at that parade, none of this would have happened.


Wow... that's an original and thought-provoking argument.  Did you think that one up all by yourself?
 
2013-05-13 12:28:41 AM  
Per curiosity, is there any empircal evidence that private ownership of firearms in the US has prevented a totalitarian government from forming? The only anecdote I've seen about a fascist coup came from Smedley Butler, a former soldier turned anti-war activist who claimed he stopped a corporate/right-wing coup in the 30's against Roosevelt.

For the sake of comparison: there in fact do exist other modern, industrial/post-industrial societies that do not have a sacred (read: dogmatic to the level of religious fundamentalism) regard for firearms. How are they doing regarding violence in their societies? Are their overall murder and suicide rates higher than ours (per capita)? Are their murder/suicdes ratios simply equal to ours but done with other devices such as knives, spatulas, lamps, rocks, nagging, flatulance, chair throwing, or eye gauging, for example? Or do they, by some miracle of (unjust) divine favoritism have less occurences per capita?
 
2013-05-13 12:29:56 AM  
By the way, you actually can own a cannon, its just expensive, hard to buy ammo, and you have to pay massive fees, etc.
 
2013-05-13 12:36:40 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Mrtraveler01: Poverty?

Poverty and a fair bit of historical segregation


Broken Families?
 
2013-05-13 01:04:33 AM  

hardinparamedic: IlGreven: [sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net image 480x655]

[i.crackedcdn.com image 350x277]

But you say that's BEFORE Obama got elected! How dare you mislead me, RIght!

Nope. Gun-related killings dropped below 6,000 in 2011. 6000 people in a country of 311 Million people.

But please, tell me how it's JUST a gun problem.


Learn to read.  Your own chart says that total firearm homicides in 2011 was 8,583.  And that number doesn't come near to representing all firearm deaths:

hardinparamedic: libranoelrose: "Because someone calls you out and dissects your argument on - well, whatever - in a way that is factually accurate, and forces you to backpedal or further explain your belief in something, that does not make them a troll. That's actually what adults call debate. You precious little flower you. "

LOL

Or, you could admit you're blatantly wrong.

[i.imgur.com image 330x139]


Oh it's you again!  Thanks for that fascinating chart.  Here's some interesting context to add to your cherry-picking (representing year 2010, not 2011):

Accidental discharge of firearms (W32-W34) 606
Intentional self-harm (suicide) by discharge of firearms (X72-X74) 19,392
Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms (*U01.4,X93-X95) 11,078

Not sure you can handle basic arithmetic, so let me add that up for you:  31,076

You are trying to represent the gun-related deaths situation as (less than) 6,606; the real number is only about 470% larger.

Or is that just math you do to make yourself feel better?
 
2013-05-13 01:11:18 AM  

WeenerGord: I believe there is sociopathy, but it is not caused by lack of money. There have been many, many kind and noble persons who were not wealthy. Jesus said that you cannot serve both God and mammon (money).


Poverty is definitely a contributing factor in sociopathy, but not the only one.
 
2013-05-13 01:15:51 AM  

edmo: Is there a minimum number that have to be shot  before it's news? Imena in genral, USA wide...


Slate is tracking how many people have died from gun violence since Newton.  That's just deaths though, not everyone shot.  3,963 in 5 months, vs. 4488 U.S. deaths in Iraq in 10 years for comparison.  (To be fair, there have been many more deaths in Iraq than just our soldiers).

If all the 'good-guys' in Iraq (our troops) have guns, it kind of gives a lie to the good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns, since most estimates say over 100,000 Iraqis have been killed directly by the war (or at least suggests that no matter who has the guns lots of people will die, although some countries have managed to dramatically reduce gun violence, Australia, for instance, has roughly quartered their gun homicide rate since 1988.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_de at h_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.htm l

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jan/18/mark- sh ields/pbs-commentator-mark-shields-says-more-killed-guns/

In an average year in the U.S. about 100,000 people will get hit by a bullet fired out of a gun.  30,000 of them will die, although 2/3's of those will be suicide.  I haven't seen a breakdown for that 100,000 to see how many are attempted suicides.  I'd imagine the death rate for suicide/suicide attempts is higher than the death rate for other shootings on account of the close range involved.  More people have died from guns in the U.S. since Kennedy was assassinated than Americans in all U.S. wars (although that number includes suicides.)   

Another way to look at that is we have about three and a third 9/11 attacks worth of non-suicide gun deaths in the U.S. each year, for which we give up our dignity at airports, but we won't give up our guns until you pry them from our cold, dead, hands (which would be fine if the numbers suggested guns saved lives, but statistics show you are more likely to die by your own gun than use your gun to save yourself.)

More people die from guns than car accidents in 14 states, and the total number of gun deaths is expected to surpass the total number of car deaths by 2015.

http://www.ibtimes.com/guns-kill-more-people-car-accidents-14-us-sta te s-1119072

And, just to round things out, the old 'guns don't kill people, people kill people; people will find other ways to kill people if they don't have guns' argument.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2013/02/pa ul _broun_says_hammers_and_baseball_bats_kill_more_people_than_guns_is.ht ml

Since less than half of all households have guns, that argument would suggest we see other homicide rates should be about equal for guns vs. other means, but guns are used to kill about twice as many people as all other methods combined.  Less than 1/2 the houses are doing more than 2/3s of the killing.

The stories and numbers are out there, even one by one, but one by one they don't make for as good news, and statistics are boring.
 
2013-05-13 01:18:37 AM  

GUTSU: So deaths are unequal? Is killing a child with a gun worse than one killing one with a car while drunk?


... yes, because murder is worse than manslaughter?

/that of course assumes that the drunk driver isn't actually trying to mow down kids
 
2013-05-13 02:25:23 AM  

globalwarmingpraiser: As a Paramedic, you are an idiot. Drunks are much more likely to kill others than they are themselves. The physiology of this, is because they are more relaxed when these things happen. But a drunk will often take out entire families.


Yeah, I thought it was common knowledge that it's the drunk who kills everyone and then walks away with minimal injuries.  At the least, it's certainly been the running joke/stereotype for as long as I can remember.  Car looks like it's been through a can crusher, 3 passengers turned into hamburger, but the drunk was ejected and is being treated for boo-boos.
 
2013-05-13 02:34:06 AM  
Geez, not this stupid farking shiat again!!
 
2013-05-13 03:14:35 AM  

fluffy2097: flamingboard: Shoot a dear with an automatic assault rifle and see how well the meat turns out.

You seem to be under the impression that all automatic assault rifles work like this baby (Which I would LOVE to go hunting with.)
[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x543]


Concurs:
images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-05-13 03:16:39 AM  

Baz744: WeenerGord: I believe there is sociopathy, but it is not caused by lack of money. There have been many, many kind and noble persons who were not wealthy. Jesus said that you cannot serve both God and mammon (money).

Poverty is definitely a contributing factor in sociopathy, but not the only one.



There's rich sociopaths, too. Who do you think was more of a sociopath, Bernie Madoff or Mother Theresa? Anyway, does anyone think you can cure a sociopathic gangbanger with money? Like a gangbanger is gonna settle down and become Ward Cleaver if you "give" him a "living wage"?  Gangbangers are probably richer than the working man already. Drugs and pimping are profitable, they pay no taxes, and housing is real cheap in their neighborhood. Real bad neighborhoods, you could buy a nice house for like 5,000. Gangbangers can probably clear 5,000 in a weekend. Bet the working man isn't earning the price of a house in a weekend.

/ Is sociopath the new buzzword for anyone who misbehaves, now? Farkers are throwing around the word sociopath all the time now.
// Do they know what it means?
/// Sociopath
 
2013-05-13 03:58:05 AM  

HoratioGates: The stories and numbers are out there, even one by one, but one by one they don't make for as good news, and statistics are boring.


A lot of people died from gunshot wounds in 1776, too, but that didn't seem to bother the people who wrote the Second Amendment.  Gee.  Maybe manning the fark up is the answer.
 
2013-05-13 04:14:14 AM  

WeenerGord: Like a gangbanger is gonna settle down and become Ward Cleaver if you "give" him a "living wage"?


That's now how aggregate poverty works. You're not trying to save the gangbangers, you're trying to save all those who are going to become gangbangers. Education and a social safety net with a prospect for a decent job makes for a safe society. Look at all the western democracies that aren't like the US.
 
2013-05-13 07:28:43 AM  

bdub77: You know where you never hear about mass shootings? Public libraries. Because no one can be bothered to f*cking read a book anymore.


While rare they do happen. I think that boy in Texas used a library to redecorate the streets of Dallas.

Most violence in libraries are sexual assaults, so perhaps more shootings will occur when someone blows the idiot's head off...one can only hope.

Well now -- the more I look, the more library shootings I see.

"A man armed with an AK-47 rifle committed suicide on the sixth floor of the University of Texas at Austin's Perry-Castañeda Library"

The American Libraries Magazine has nice articles on bookworm shooters.

My new outhouse reading!
 
MFK
2013-05-13 07:56:39 AM  

super_grass: Mugato: super_grass: More people will be killed by alcohol this weekend but we have the luxury of not listening to the MADD neo-prohibitionists derp about bottle size restrictions and limits on liquor proofs. Now the gun-control people are repeating the same thing and we're all quite tired of them.

Isn't there a screening of Red Dawn you could be masturbating to?

I'm not even that pro-gun, but this is just sad.

Instead of engaging in ANY exchange of ideas, people like you just jump into a thread, call names, and summarily dismiss any opposition as lunatics.

And you wonder why NRA and friends keep whopping your asses in the court system and legislature after the news cycle ends. You'll get your smug self-satisfaction, I have no doubt about that, but I'm glad to say that people like yourself will never get laws your way in the long term.


I know that I, for one, keep forgetting that alcohol and guns are the exact same thing and that both are explicitly designed to take human life. Silly me.
 
2013-05-13 08:29:18 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-13 08:29:40 AM  
jcooli09:

yes, that was exactly my point.

Don't worry, we're all well aware that the number of guns in this country has nothing to do with the amount of mayhem, and that more guns are likely to improve the situation.


What mayhem would that be?!    Gun crime, violent crime, and murder are at 20 year lows.  Can you explain this mayhem?!   Or possibly is it that the media is making national news out of every time a gun goes off and it's not in chicago or DC or other actual crime ridden city.  (yes this was N.O. which is crime ridden, but this type of event IS national news.... the shootings they tried to make national as school shootings is what I'm referring to...  the ones with 1 guy getting shot 2 miles from campus, etc)  


The media wants people like you shaking in your shoes, talking about all the "mayhem" that is taking place, when in reality things are headed in the proper direction, despite the MAJOR increases in gun sales.
 
2013-05-13 08:31:10 AM  
Don't worry gun-buddies...this happened to Black people, so expect pretty much zero news-media blitz, congressional rekindling of gun control, or any other real action for that matter.
 
2013-05-13 08:45:07 AM  

MFK: super_grass: Mugato: super_grass: More people will be killed by alcohol this weekend but we have the luxury of not listening to the MADD neo-prohibitionists derp about bottle size restrictions and limits on liquor proofs. Now the gun-control people are repeating the same thing and we're all quite tired of them.

Isn't there a screening of Red Dawn you could be masturbating to?

I'm not even that pro-gun, but this is just sad.

Instead of engaging in ANY exchange of ideas, people like you just jump into a thread, call names, and summarily dismiss any opposition as lunatics.

And you wonder why NRA and friends keep whopping your asses in the court system and legislature after the news cycle ends. You'll get your smug self-satisfaction, I have no doubt about that, but I'm glad to say that people like yourself will never get laws your way in the long term.

I know that I, for one, keep forgetting that alcohol and guns are the exact same thing and that both are explicitly designed to take human life. Silly me.


For the record the bullet that guns like the AR-15 use were initially designed to kill pests, not humans.

The design of a product doesn't make much of a difference. If the moral outrage is going to be based on how something is being used to destroy society then there's a long list of other things that deserved to be looked at as well.
Firearms get the focus because more right than left wingers who own them, not because of how much damage they do.

/Just look at how quickly the thread tinkered out when the cause became gang related.
/Politicos want to hate on tea partiers, not deal with the troubles in their own ranks.
 
2013-05-13 08:45:29 AM  

Mr.BobDobalita: jcooli09:

yes, that was exactly my point.

Don't worry, we're all well aware that the number of guns in this country has nothing to do with the amount of mayhem, and that more guns are likely to improve the situation.

What mayhem would that be?!    Gun crime, violent crime, and murder are at 20 year lows.  Can you explain this mayhem?!   Or possibly is it that the media is making national news out of every time a gun goes off and it's not in chicago or DC or other actual crime ridden city.  (yes this was N.O. which is crime ridden, but this type of event IS national news.... the shootings they tried to make national as school shootings is what I'm referring to...  the ones with 1 guy getting shot 2 miles from campus, etc)
The media wants people like you shaking in your shoes, talking about all the "mayhem" that is taking place, when in reality things are headed in the proper direction, despite the MAJOR increases in gun sales.


That firearm violence is allegedly declining (many suspect that the National Rifle Association is intentionally lying about the data) is not a valid reason not to implement "common sense" gun control measures such as banning pistol grips and collapsing stocks on an already rarely criminally misused class of firearm.
 
2013-05-13 08:50:15 AM  
way south:
Firearms get the focus because more right than left wingers who own them, not because of how much damage they do.

/Just look at how quickly the thread tinkered out when the cause became gang related.
/Politicos want to hate on tea partiers, not deal with the troubles in their own ranks.


*DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!  We have a winner!!!!


Gun control is about 2 things.


1.) Sticking it to political rivals.
2.) Control of people


It's not about reducing violence.  There are other more effective ways to do that, and they aren't against violence anyways.  They're about hating conservatives and seeing harm done to them. 

Look at how many "peaceful" anti-gunners talk about how they wish the gun owners would be killed... by the govt... by other people...  whatever.   They just hate you because you have a projectile launching machine in your hands.
 
2013-05-13 08:52:35 AM  

Dimensio: Mr.BobDobalita: jcooli09:

yes, that was exactly my point.

Don't worry, we're all well aware that the number of guns in this country has nothing to do with the amount of mayhem, and that more guns are likely to improve the situation.

What mayhem would that be?!    Gun crime, violent crime, and murder are at 20 year lows.  Can you explain this mayhem?!   Or possibly is it that the media is making national news out of every time a gun goes off and it's not in chicago or DC or other actual crime ridden city.  (yes this was N.O. which is crime ridden, but this type of event IS national news.... the shootings they tried to make national as school shootings is what I'm referring to...  the ones with 1 guy getting shot 2 miles from campus, etc)
The media wants people like you shaking in your shoes, talking about all the "mayhem" that is taking place, when in reality things are headed in the proper direction, despite the MAJOR increases in gun sales.

That firearm violence is allegedly declining (many suspect that the National Rifle Association is intentionally lying about the data) is not a valid reason not to implement "common sense" gun control measures such as banning pistol grips and collapsing stocks on an already rarely criminally misused class of firearm.


It's not NRA statistics.  FBI and government statistics.

2011 saw ~14,500 murders.
1991 saw ~30,000

1960something (4 or 5 I think) saw ~14,500 murders, but there was only 200 million people in the US.  Now of course there is well over 300 million and a lot more guns!!!
 
MFK
2013-05-13 08:53:25 AM  

way south: MFK: super_grass: Mugato: super_grass: More people will be killed by alcohol this weekend but we have the luxury of not listening to the MADD neo-prohibitionists derp about bottle size restrictions and limits on liquor proofs. Now the gun-control people are repeating the same thing and we're all quite tired of them.

Isn't there a screening of Red Dawn you could be masturbating to?

I'm not even that pro-gun, but this is just sad.

Instead of engaging in ANY exchange of ideas, people like you just jump into a thread, call names, and summarily dismiss any opposition as lunatics.

And you wonder why NRA and friends keep whopping your asses in the court system and legislature after the news cycle ends. You'll get your smug self-satisfaction, I have no doubt about that, but I'm glad to say that people like yourself will never get laws your way in the long term.

I know that I, for one, keep forgetting that alcohol and guns are the exact same thing and that both are explicitly designed to take human life. Silly me.

For the record the bullet that guns like the AR-15 use were initially designed to kill pests, not humans.

The design of a product doesn't make much of a difference. If the moral outrage is going to be based on how something is being used to destroy society then there's a long list of other things that deserved to be looked at as well.
Firearms get the focus because more right than left wingers who own them, not because of how much damage they do.

/Just look at how quickly the thread tinkered out when the cause became gang related.
/Politicos want to hate on tea partiers, not deal with the troubles in their own ranks.


first of all, fark you for suggesting that gang violence is "in their own ranks".

second of all, the product absolutely does matter. Nobody can run into a movie theater and kill a dozen people in a minute with a bottle of Smirnoff. Firearms are deadly and are only used to intimidate, maim or kill. These are not in the same category as a toaster.

Thirdly, why is it that whenever the rest of us say "hey, maybe we don't need to have these certain types of weapons in our society but do recognize the need for firearms for hunting or home defense" it all of a sudden becomes about the need, no, the RIGHT, to use military weaponry to kill US soldiers or policemen?
 
2013-05-13 09:12:09 AM  

MFK: way south: MFK: super_grass: Mugato: super_grass: More people will be killed by alcohol this weekend but we have the luxury of not listening to the MADD neo-prohibitionists derp about bottle size restrictions and limits on liquor proofs. Now the gun-control people are repeating the same thing and we're all quite tired of them.

Isn't there a screening of Red Dawn you could be masturbating to?

I'm not even that pro-gun, but this is just sad.

Instead of engaging in ANY exchange of ideas, people like you just jump into a thread, call names, and summarily dismiss any opposition as lunatics.

And you wonder why NRA and friends keep whopping your asses in the court system and legislature after the news cycle ends. You'll get your smug self-satisfaction, I have no doubt about that, but I'm glad to say that people like yourself will never get laws your way in the long term.

I know that I, for one, keep forgetting that alcohol and guns are the exact same thing and that both are explicitly designed to take human life. Silly me.

For the record the bullet that guns like the AR-15 use were initially designed to kill pests, not humans.

The design of a product doesn't make much of a difference. If the moral outrage is going to be based on how something is being used to destroy society then there's a long list of other things that deserved to be looked at as well.
Firearms get the focus because more right than left wingers who own them, not because of how much damage they do.

/Just look at how quickly the thread tinkered out when the cause became gang related.
/Politicos want to hate on tea partiers, not deal with the troubles in their own ranks.

first of all, fark you for suggesting that gang violence is "in their own ranks".

second of all, the product absolutely does matter. Nobody can run into a movie theater and kill a dozen people in a minute with a bottle of Smirnoff. Firearms are deadly and are only used to intimidate, maim or kill. These are not in the same category ...


Armalite Rifle-15 (AR-15) is NOT a military rifle.


Guns have plenty of uses besides "killing".  Competition shooting, hobby shooting, collecting, hunting, self defense, etc...   WHat about all the times a gun is pulled on a criminal and no shots were fired to stop the attack?  


If you want to know why we are against magazine capacity limits, it's two fold.   They are ridculous as the Vtech shooter changed magazines 17 times and used 10 round mags.  Shooting fish in a barrel, and magazine changes only taking around 1 second doesnt' make any difference.  The other thing is that bad guys with illegal guns are going to have illegal mags too and still use them.  MEanwhile, you, the good guy only has 10...or 7.... or whatever they want to limit you to.   

Watch this video to see what I mean:    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7F1nPSNnaBo">h ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7F1nPSNnaBo 


The last thing to consider is that guns potentially save MANY MANY more lives than they take.  Even the most conservative and anti-gunner statistics show around 80k "defensive gun uses" (DGUs) per year.  Pro gunners say as many as 2 million per year.   HOw do you put a number on a gun being pulled and the attack stops, but is never reported?

So let's be conservative with the numbers and say 100k per year.  That's the potential for 100 lives to have been saved with guns.  With only ~12,000 murders with guns, the number looks small compared to the amount of lives that could have been saved, especially when you consider that number of 100k is probably actually much larger.  If you start plugging in 250k or 500k instead of 100, which I believe to be realistic, then you can see the picture that guns are much better at saving lives than killing.
 
2013-05-13 09:16:02 AM  

SubBass49: Don't worry gun-buddies...this happened to Black people, so expect pretty much zero news-media blitz, congressional rekindling of gun control, or any other real action for that matter.


and this is something that DROxINxTHExWIND should be PISSED ABOUT.

fark it, i'm'a listen to public enemy, rage, NWA, etc... today, just to make up for it.

/white, but rainbow on the inside.
 
2013-05-13 09:16:54 AM  

dickfreckle: coco ebert: NOLA farker dickfreckle, where y'at!?

Livin' the dream, baby, livin' the dream.


*fistbump*
 
2013-05-13 09:30:44 AM  
Gotsa Ack up
 
2013-05-13 09:40:06 AM  
Time for Michelle to get a new haircut or new dress to take the media's attention away from the situation at hand.
 
2013-05-13 09:48:33 AM  

Mr.BobDobalita: way south:
Firearms get the focus because more right than left wingers who own them, not because of how much damage they do.

/Just look at how quickly the thread tinkered out when the cause became gang related.
/Politicos want to hate on tea partiers, not deal with the troubles in their own ranks.

*DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!  We have a winner!!!!


Gun control is about 2 things.


1.) Sticking it to political rivals.
2.) Control of people


It's not about reducing violence.  There are other more effective ways to do that, and they aren't against violence anyways.  They're about hating conservatives and seeing harm done to them.



Fighting gun control isn't about reducing gun violence. It's about selling memberships to the NRA with their jack-booted, uniformed security officers (you know, the ones LaPierre had rough up reporters at a press conference). It's about selling NRA bumper stickers, NRA bench rests, NRA caps, vests, boots, pantaloons, plus-fours, knee-highs, thigh-highs, ankle-highs, edible undies, sunglasses, trusses, ear wax removal kits, sewing kits, and anything else an NRA logo can be glued to in some factory in China.
 
2013-05-13 09:52:40 AM  
This just in - New Orleans is a terrible place, with terrible people and terrible cops. Stay away.
 
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