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2013-05-12 06:32:11 PM  

LookForTheArrow: WippitGuud: I don't agree with banning all guns.

NOBODY DOES YOU CANADIAN shiatTARD

/the candadian bit has nothing to do with it.


you are a puppet:  So a guy named ontariolightning is trying to ban all the guns? Sounds like a Canadian.



I apologize if my need to defend being stereotyped for my nationality has infringed upon you and forced you to resort to insults.
 
2013-05-12 06:33:11 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: The USA is a factory for making people mentally ill and arming them.


"Mentally ill" is a poor excuse for bad behavior. The truly mentally ill are no more prone to violence than the normal population. In fact they are more at risk of being the victims of violence.

"Mental illness" is not a catch all excuse for violence. It does not explain why completely sane individuals commit violent acts. It does not explain why perfectly rational people wage large scale war. Horrific acts of abuse and violence are committed every day by people in their right minds, thinking rationally, without regard for the welfare and feelings of others.

Mental illness is less a risk factor for violence than being a young male, an alcoholic, a substance abuser, or even being poor.

Being "angry" is not mental illness.

Mental health care is a real problem in this nation. We have some of the highest incidence in the world of untreated mental illness. It needs to be addressed in health care reform and socio-cultural changes. Blaming these incidents on mental illness is a disservice to that problem.
 
2013-05-12 06:33:33 PM  

pippi longstocking: Remember only a good parade attendant can stop a bad parade attendant.


People have killed to become drum majors and majorettes.

Happy Mother's Day
 
2013-05-12 06:33:35 PM  
hardinparamedic:

The Population of the United States is 312.8 million people. According to the Centers for Disease Control, 0.2 in 100,000 deaths were caused by firearms accidents. That's 719 people, roughly.

By contrast, 26,000 people were killed by falls in 2010.


Canada had 578 homicides last year. U.S has more accidental gun deaths than Canada has homicides.
Just putting that into perspective.
 
2013-05-12 06:33:45 PM  

LL316: Foxnews has it up.  CNN, not so much.  But Foxnews is the one that's racist, right?


I just found it up at both.

CNN says 11 injured all non life threatening.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/12/us/louisiana-shooting/

FOX says at least 12 injured all non life threatening.

.http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/12/12-hurt-at-new-orleans-mother- day -second-line-parade-shooting/

Both mention a 10 year old victim and are kinda sparse.

The CBC story says "at least 17 inured" and has more details including what a second line parade is.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/05/12/new-orleans-mothers-da y- shooting.html
 
2013-05-12 06:33:48 PM  

Arachnophobe: Just from a quick skim of that link you gave, it seems like the tax stamps are mainly provided to businesses? I'm starting to think it might be easier to just stick with the standard PS90. I suspect getting the ammunition for it will be enough of a hassle as it is.


I actually looked into getting a FiveseveN pistol because it is freaking tacticool, plus the frangible ammo won't penetrate drywall and still does horrible things to the human body. The JSP ammo available to civilians is like 50-70 dollars a box, and none of the ranges around here will let you shoot it because it'll go through their bullet stops. The problem is that everything but the jacketed soft point round is restricted to Military or Law Enforcement use under the NFA because they were specifically designed to penetrate modern body armor systems.

Arachnophobe: This was educational, thank you. I'd assumed it was semi-auto, I have absolutely no reason to even handle a full auto and wouldn't want one anyway. So if I really wanted to do it, I'd get the civilian and get a gunsmith to modify it.


Not a problem. I think that, at a certain point, it's considered a pistol once the gunsmith modifies it. That's how the Kriss Vector 45 can be sold legally in the United States without having a tax stamp.
 
2013-05-12 06:34:18 PM  

hardinparamedic: Stone Meadow: Right there in the middle of the page you link to it says under All firearm deaths:
Number of deaths: 31,672Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.3

Clicking on links is clearly hard for you. The CDC Breaks it down here. Total Firearms deaths include those deaths by violence, those deaths by suicide, and those deaths by accidental discharge.


No, checking links is not hard...I simply missed the word "accidents". Shiat happens.
 
2013-05-12 06:35:19 PM  

Jaicu: Triple the tax on ammunition. Quadruple even.


Why not just impose a murder tax?  That'd deter them, right?
 
2013-05-12 06:35:49 PM  

ontariolightning: Canada had 578 homicides last year. U.S has more accidental gun deaths than Canada has homicides.
Just putting that into perspective.


The population of Canada is 29 Million people. Adjusting for population differences, that means an equivalent homicide rate of 5780 people each year.

Not that far off from the rate of gun homicides in the United States.

Just putting that in prospective for you.
 
2013-05-12 06:36:07 PM  

ontariolightning: hardinparamedic:

The Population of the United States is 312.8 million people. According to the Centers for Disease Control, 0.2 in 100,000 deaths were caused by firearms accidents. That's 719 people, roughly.

By contrast, 26,000 people were killed by falls in 2010.

Canada had 578 homicides last year. U.S has more accidental gun deaths than Canada has homicides.
Just putting that into perspective.


so?  there are more Starbucks in America than there are in Canada.
Study it out.
 
2013-05-12 06:36:28 PM  

Stone Meadow: No, checking links is not hard...I simply missed the word "accidents". Shiat happens.


I owe you an apology then. Sorry for snapping at you.
 
2013-05-12 06:38:18 PM  

hardinparamedic: IlGreven: [sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net image 480x655]

[i.crackedcdn.com image 350x277]

But you say that's BEFORE Obama got elected! How dare you mislead me, RIght!

Nope. Gun-related killings dropped below 6,000 in 2011. 6000 people in a country of 311 Million people.

But please, tell me how it's JUST a gun problem.


...wait, you mean we got the crime problem under control, and yet people are still dying to guns?

/Keep marginalizing mass shootings. Soon enough you'll be a part of one.
 
2013-05-12 06:39:21 PM  

hardinparamedic: ontariolightning: Canada had 578 homicides last year. U.S has more accidental gun deaths than Canada has homicides.
Just putting that into perspective.

The population of Canada is 29 Million people. Adjusting for population differences, that means an equivalent homicide rate of 5780 people each year.

Not that far off from the rate of gun homicides in the United States.

Just putting that in prospective for you.


34 million people.
 
2013-05-12 06:39:50 PM  

LordJiro: Shiat. Copycats of the Tsarnaev brothers? Or unrelated lunatics? Either way, hope they get caught damn quickly.


hmm since it's in New Orleans and perps were 'dark skinned' males which is code word for African Americans I seriously doubt it's copycats. More like ghetto thugs with some beef to settle with rival gangs.
 
2013-05-12 06:40:19 PM  

IlGreven: hardinparamedic: IlGreven: [sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net image 480x655]

[i.crackedcdn.com image 350x277]

But you say that's BEFORE Obama got elected! How dare you mislead me, RIght!

Nope. Gun-related killings dropped below 6,000 in 2011. 6000 people in a country of 311 Million people.

But please, tell me how it's JUST a gun problem.

...wait, you mean we got the crime problem under control, and yet people are still dying to guns?

/Keep marginalizing mass shootings. Soon enough you'll be a part of one.


Isn't gun violence down over 40% compared to the 1990s?
 
2013-05-12 06:40:21 PM  
" Officers were interspersed with the marchers, which is routine for such events. "

 Human shields we used to call it.  There were some reporters embedded there too I imagine.
 
2013-05-12 06:40:27 PM  

hardinparamedic: ontariolightning: Canada had 578 homicides last year. U.S has more accidental gun deaths than Canada has homicides.
Just putting that into perspective.

The population of Canada is 29 Million people. Adjusting for population differences, that means an equivalent homicide rate of 5780 people each year.


 34.5 million
not going to do the math, just correct the figure.
 
2013-05-12 06:40:32 PM  

hardinparamedic: Arachnophobe: Just from a quick skim of that link you gave, it seems like the tax stamps are mainly provided to businesses? I'm starting to think it might be easier to just stick with the standard PS90. I suspect getting the ammunition for it will be enough of a hassle as it is.

I actually looked into getting a FiveseveN pistol because it is freaking tacticool, plus the frangible ammo won't penetrate drywall and still does horrible things to the human body. The JSP ammo available to civilians is like 50-70 dollars a box, and none of the ranges around here will let you shoot it because it'll go through their bullet stops. The problem is that everything but the jacketed soft point round is restricted to Military or Law Enforcement use under the NFA because they were specifically designed to penetrate modern body armor systems.

Arachnophobe: This was educational, thank you. I'd assumed it was semi-auto, I have absolutely no reason to even handle a full auto and wouldn't want one anyway. So if I really wanted to do it, I'd get the civilian and get a gunsmith to modify it.

Not a problem. I think that, at a certain point, it's considered a pistol once the gunsmith modifies it. That's how the Kriss Vector 45 can be sold legally in the United States without having a tax stamp.


Last I checked, the KRISS still has to have a 16 inch barrel or it gets classified as an SBR.
 
2013-05-12 06:41:16 PM  

coeyagi: Oh dear lord.  Sure, you just keep believing that if the NRA isn't stoking the fire of fear in gun owners, that the guns and ammo will be flying off the shelves at the rate they've been.

Follow the money.


farking Gottschalks.

/Every day, John Brunner is shown to be more prescient
// The Jagged Orbit, in this case.  Read it, and the others.
 
2013-05-12 06:42:24 PM  
tenpoundsofcheese:
so?  there are more Starbucks in America than there are in Canada.
Study it out.


I only know 5 people who regularly go to starbucks
 
2013-05-12 06:42:44 PM  
 
2013-05-12 06:43:20 PM  

IlGreven: ..wait, you mean we got the crime problem under control, and yet people are still dying to guns?

More people died from tripping on the threshold between the kitchen and the living room than died from a gun crime in 2012.

IlGreven: /Keep marginalizing mass shootings. Soon enough you'll be a part of one.


So you want me to get shot because I point out that it's not just a gun problem, but a problem with our culture and with out treatment of the poor and disadvantaged, and accuse me of "marginalizing" "mass shootings", because I don't fall into the bandwagon of Knee-jerk outrage over an event that you have more of a chance being struck by lightning than being involved in?

Yes. Mass shootings are horrific. Yes, they make me angry. Yes, people like Wayne LaPierre are complete and utter douchebags. But knee-jerk rhetoric and ignoring issues deeper than X Citizen with no history of mental or criminal problems might be allowed to own a gun doesn't help things either.

And neither does wishing someone who disagrees with you gets shot.

/and I've been in the middle a mass shooting, thank you.
 
2013-05-12 06:44:57 PM  
Facts:,less people with less guns = less gun murders, gun accidents, gun suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by gunis a good thing or not is it?
 
2013-05-12 06:44:59 PM  
Paging Dr. Freud... Dr. Sigmund Freud, please pick up the white courtesy phone... Paging Dr. Sigmund Freud, please answer your page at the white courtesy phone....
 
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2013-05-12 06:46:42 PM  

simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?


Using the term "gun grabbers" without jest has become the latest term on the list that brands one as an instant idiot.
 
2013-05-12 06:46:42 PM  

ontariolightning: Facts:,less people with less guns = less gun murders, gun accidents, gun suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by gunis a good thing or not is it?


And I'm sure there's no other way which Canada differs from the United States, like a generally culturally homogenous population, access to free medical and mental healthcare, better access to social support systems for the poor, and etc?
 
2013-05-12 06:46:53 PM  

Slappajo: I'll just leave this here:   http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/10/americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-co n trol


Well, you've convinced me.

Only 11,078 gun homicide deaths in a year. Hardly worth farking mentioning, is it?
 
2013-05-12 06:48:06 PM  

udhq: Noam Chimpsky: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 

Which is why, according to the second amendment, I am free to own all the fully automatic and shoulder-mounted anti-personnel/aircraft arms I desire.

Oh wait, turns out that right CAN BE and frequently IS infringed!


Yes. The 2nd Amendment, as written, hasn't been workable for many years. That is why I've been advocating for repeal/modification of the 2nd. It is only possible when we return to the original purpose of the Constitution. That means a working 10th Amendment whereby the states choose for themselves their own gun laws. No state would have gun laws as radically liberal as the 2nd allows. "Liberal" in the classical sense, not the ironic sense as it refers to the illiberal left.
 
2013-05-12 06:49:02 PM  

luckyeddie: Slappajo: I'll just leave this here:   http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/10/americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-co n trol

Well, you've convinced me.

Only 11,078 gun homicide deaths in a year. Hardly worth farking mentioning, is it?


Nowhere near that, actually.

Once you take out suicides and Negligent Discharges, it's far closer to 6,000.
 
2013-05-12 06:49:28 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: Yes. The 2nd Amendment, as written, hasn't been workable for many years. That is why I've been advocating for repeal/modification of the 2nd. It is only possible when we return to the original purpose of the Constitution. That means a working 10th Amendment whereby the states choose for themselves their own gun laws. No state would have gun laws as radically liberal as the 2nd allows. "Liberal" in the classical sense, not the ironic sense as it refers to the illiberal left.


Because the states have never abused their powers, right?

www.blackpast.org
 
2013-05-12 06:50:05 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: udhq: Noam Chimpsky: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 

Which is why, according to the second amendment, I am free to own all the fully automatic and shoulder-mounted anti-personnel/aircraft arms I desire.

Oh wait, turns out that right CAN BE and frequently IS infringed!

Yes. The 2nd Amendment, as written, hasn't been workable for many years. That is why I've been advocating for repeal/modification of the 2nd. It is only possible when we return to the original purpose of the Constitution. That means a working 10th Amendment whereby the states choose for themselves their own gun laws. No state would have gun laws as radically liberal as the 2nd allows. "Liberal" in the classical sense, not the ironic sense as it refers to the illiberal left.


Good luck.

Until then, proposals like mine are about all you've got. Either come to the table and deal, or you don't get anything.
 
2013-05-12 06:50:14 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: No state would have gun laws as radically liberal as the 2nd allows


I think most would, actually.

(Arizona, Alaska, the South, Vermont, New Hampshire, the West except for California....)
 
2013-05-12 06:50:57 PM  

iq_in_binary: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]

Completely legal to purchase and own, actually. Depending on state and local laws, of course. But at the Federal level, it's just a $200 tax stamp.

That you didn't know that shows how uneducated you are on the subject.


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Yes, yes it does. It's a shame that common sense and American law are often so far apart in this particular domain. Regardless, please help to educate me (genuine request). If you take the last few gun massacres, would it have been possible for that perpetrator (considering the city/state) to purchase hand grenades as easily as it was for them to purchase a gun? I guess that I'm asking if it's possible to legally purchase hand grenades without being subject to any sort of background check, and/or being asked WHY you require them.
 
2013-05-12 06:51:24 PM  
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2013-05-12 06:51:35 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: udhq: Noam Chimpsky: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 

Which is why, according to the second amendment, I am free to own all the fully automatic and shoulder-mounted anti-personnel/aircraft arms I desire.

Oh wait, turns out that right CAN BE and frequently IS infringed!

Yes. The 2nd Amendment, as written, hasn't been workable for many years. That is why I've been advocating for repeal/modification of the 2nd. It is only possible when we return to the original purpose of the Constitution. That means a working 10th Amendment whereby the states choose for themselves their own gun laws. No state would have gun laws as radically liberal as the 2nd allows. "Liberal" in the classical sense, not the ironic sense as it refers to the illiberal left.


I'm not sure you understand what the "original purpose" of the Constitution was if that's what you think.

Hint: It wasn't about state sovereignty.
 
2013-05-12 06:51:40 PM  

hardinparamedic: ontariolightning: Facts:,less people with less guns = less gun murders, gun accidents, gun suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by gunis a good thing or not is it?

And I'm sure there's no other way which Canada differs from the United States, like a generally culturally homogenous population, access to free medical and mental healthcare, better access to social support systems for the poor, and etc?


Are we limiting that to color?

Cause we have a province twice the size of Texas that has about 45% of the population who want out of Canada. They've even had terrorists groups spring up about it,
 
2013-05-12 06:52:11 PM  

hardinparamedic: birdmanesq: Guns were involved in 2/3 of the homicides in 2011. And that omits suicides and accidents.

The point called from Beijing, and said hi.  It's not just a gun problem. It's a complex, multifactorial issue. The idea that you can distill it down to a gun problem is an insane attempt at hiding your head in the dirt.


And you're just saying that to avoid talking about doing anything about the guns.
You keep blaming everything but the guns.
You keep talking about everything but the guns.
You keep saying how much everything else needs to be regulated, but not the farking guns.

More people died from tripping on the threshold between the kitchen and the living room than died from a gun crime in 2012.

And again you keep making up shiat to avoid talking about reasonable gun legislation.  But then, no gun legislation is reasonable to you, is it?
 
2013-05-12 06:52:31 PM  
FTFA:
I think what frustrates all of us is that the great culture of this city sometimes stumbles a bit

And this "bit" so far includes 1824 through 2013. But hey, any city can have an off century or two.
 
2013-05-12 06:52:43 PM  

hardinparamedic: WippitGuud: Why are we suddenly harping on  accidental gun deaths? I'm pretty sure these gunshots weren't accidental.

Directly addressing an argument that  ontariolightning made about accidental gun deaths. Apparently, somehow in there I psychically called someone a troll, or something.

a_real_human_being: I have figured out a way to reduce my argument, in this debate, to its smallest possible form. I think this explains my position (and that of many other people), quite well:

[img189.imageshack.us image 480x410]

Actually, it's quite legal to own a block of C4, either if you have a Federal Explosives license, or if you have a tax stamp for each individual block of explosive you have - they count as a destructive device.


Okay, but surely they won't just give John Q. Public a federal explosives license just because he wants one. What about these "tax stamps"? Can John Q. Public walk into [INSERT APPROPRIATE ORGANIZATION NAME HERE] and say "Give me 20 tax stamps so I can buy 20 pieces of C4" and they say "Okay then" just as if he was buying regular stamps?
 
2013-05-12 06:52:59 PM  

iq_in_binary: Noam Chimpsky: udhq: Noam Chimpsky: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 

Which is why, according to the second amendment, I am free to own all the fully automatic and shoulder-mounted anti-personnel/aircraft arms I desire.

Oh wait, turns out that right CAN BE and frequently IS infringed!

Yes. The 2nd Amendment, as written, hasn't been workable for many years. That is why I've been advocating for repeal/modification of the 2nd. It is only possible when we return to the original purpose of the Constitution. That means a working 10th Amendment whereby the states choose for themselves their own gun laws. No state would have gun laws as radically liberal as the 2nd allows. "Liberal" in the classical sense, not the ironic sense as it refers to the illiberal left.

Good luck.

Until then, proposals like mine are about all you've got. Either come to the table and deal, or you don't get anything.


Oh yeah, you ARE free to own what you just mentioned. But because that fact doesn't play into your narrative, you chose to ignore it completely.

Wait, these days that would make you a Republican.
 
2013-05-12 06:53:18 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: No state would have gun laws as radically liberal as the 2nd allows.


Alabama:That every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state.  Art. I, § 26 (enacted 1819
Alaska:A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.  The individual right to keep and bear arms shall not be denied or infringed by the State or a political subdivision of the State.  Art. I, § 19
Arizona:The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the State shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain, or employ an armed body of men.  Art. II, § 26
Hawaii:A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.  Art. I, § 17 (enacted 1959).

Should I go on?
 
2013-05-12 06:54:04 PM  

IlGreven: But then, no gun legislation is reasonable to you, is it?


And we could say the same thing about no gun restrictions being too unreasonable to advocates of gun control.....
 
2013-05-12 06:55:02 PM  

hardinparamedic: ontariolightning: Facts:,less people with less guns = less gun murders, gun accidents, gun suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by gunis a good thing or not is it?

And I'm sure there's no other way which Canada differs from the United States, like a generally culturally homogenous population, access to free medical and mental healthcare, better access to social support systems for the poor, and etc?


you're calling Greater Toronto and Vancouver areas homogenous? Rofl. Shows you do not know shiat about Canada
 
2013-05-12 06:55:10 PM  

a_real_human_being: iq_in_binary: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]

Completely legal to purchase and own, actually. Depending on state and local laws, of course. But at the Federal level, it's just a $200 tax stamp.

That you didn't know that shows how uneducated you are on the subject.

[img203.imageshack.us image 445x500]

Yes, yes it does. It's a shame that common sense and American law are often so far apart in this particular domain. Regardless, please help to educate me (genuine request). If you take the last few gun massacres, would it have been possible for that perpetrator (considering the city/state) to purchase hand grenades as easily as it was for them to purchase a gun? I guess that I'm asking if it's possible to legally purchase hand grenades without being subject to any sort of background check, and/or being asked WHY you require them.


You're talking to the guy that proposes expanding those very same laws to pretty much all semi-autos, so long as certain concessions are made.

You're so rabid about the subject you're even tearing into the people that are on your side.

Ironic that you would try and allude to my lack of education, even on this very subject.
 
2013-05-12 06:56:51 PM  

luckyeddie: Slappajo: I'll just leave this here:   http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/10/americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-co n trol

Well, you've convinced me.

Only 11,078 gun homicide deaths in a year. Hardly worth farking mentioning, is it?


Actually, I was referring the bias mentioned in the article.  And statistically, no 11,078 gun homicide deaths is not worth mentioning.  Shiat happens.  People die everyday for one reason or another.  Thinking we can control all of them is completely delusional.
 
2013-05-12 06:58:17 PM  
Gang Bangers and criminals use guns.....Terrorists are too cowardly for that, they use bombs,,,,
 
2013-05-12 06:59:07 PM  

iq_in_binary: luckyeddie: Slappajo: I'll just leave this here:   http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/10/americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-co n trol

Well, you've convinced me.

Only 11,078 gun homicide deaths in a year. Hardly worth farking mentioning, is it?

Nowhere near that, actually.

Once you take out suicides and Negligent Discharges


No. If your side is counting farking tripping and falling, then we count gun suicides, negligent discharges, and every farking way a gun can be used to kill someone, accidental or not. Which means the number is <i>higher</i> than 11,000 gun deaths in a year. And I guarantee you more people trip and fall than they shoot a gun, on average.  If people died from tripping and falling at the same rate that they die from gunfire, I also guarantee you a lot more than 26,000 people would die from tripping and falling every year.
 
2013-05-12 07:00:08 PM  

a_real_human_being: hardinparamedic: WippitGuud: Why are we suddenly harping on  accidental gun deaths? I'm pretty sure these gunshots weren't accidental.

Directly addressing an argument that  ontariolightning made about accidental gun deaths. Apparently, somehow in there I psychically called someone a troll, or something.

a_real_human_being: I have figured out a way to reduce my argument, in this debate, to its smallest possible form. I think this explains my position (and that of many other people), quite well:

[img189.imageshack.us image 480x410]

Actually, it's quite legal to own a block of C4, either if you have a Federal Explosives license, or if you have a tax stamp for each individual block of explosive you have - they count as a destructive device.

Okay, but surely they won't just give John Q. Public a federal explosives license just because he wants one. What about these "tax stamps"? Can John Q. Public walk into [INSERT APPROPRIATE ORGANIZATION NAME HERE] and say "Give me 20 tax stamps so I can buy 20 pieces of C4" and they say "Okay then" just as if he was buying regular stamps?


No, each stamp is subject to the same scrutiny individually.
 
2013-05-12 07:00:09 PM  

iq_in_binary: a_real_human_being: iq_in_binary: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]

Completely legal to purchase and own, actually. Depending on state and local laws, of course. But at the Federal level, it's just a $200 tax stamp.

That you didn't know that shows how uneducated you are on the subject.

[img203.imageshack.us image 445x500]

Yes, yes it does. It's a shame that common sense and American law are often so far apart in this particular domain. Regardless, please help to educate me (genuine request). If you take the last few gun massacres, would it have been possible for that perpetrator (considering the city/state) to purchase hand grenades as easily as it was for them to purchase a gun? I guess that I'm asking if it's possible to legally purchase hand grenades without being subject to any sort of background check, and/or being asked WHY you require them.

You're talking to the guy that proposes expanding those very same laws to pretty much all semi-autos, so long as certain concessions are made.

You're so rabid about the subject you're even tearing into the people that are on your side.

Ironic that you would try and allude to my lack of education, even on this very subject.


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Wow. I make a genuine request for information, after you snidely remarked at how uneducated I am on the subject, and you respond only with paranoid vitriol.

I think you have me confused with someone else. Not everyone on the internet is trying to troll you.

/"rabid"?
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2013-05-12 07:01:16 PM  

IlGreven: iq_in_binary: luckyeddie: Slappajo: I'll just leave this here:   http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/10/americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-co n trol

Well, you've convinced me.

Only 11,078 gun homicide deaths in a year. Hardly worth farking mentioning, is it?

Nowhere near that, actually.

Once you take out suicides and Negligent Discharges

No. If your side is counting farking tripping and falling, then we count gun suicides, negligent discharges, and every farking way a gun can be used to kill someone, accidental or not. Which means the number is <i>higher</i> than 11,000 gun deaths in a year. And I guarantee you more people trip and fall than they shoot a gun, on average.  If people died from tripping and falling at the same rate that they die from gunfire, I also guarantee you a lot more than 26,000 people would die from tripping and falling every year.


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