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(WWLTV New Orleans) NewsFlash At least one dozen shot at New Orleans Mothers Day parade   (wwltv.com) divider line 673
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2013-05-12 04:32:36 PM
The only thing that stops a bad mother with a gun is a good mother with a gun. -Wayne Lapierre
 
2013-05-12 04:33:44 PM
New Orleans - Celebrating Mothers Day by making a few less people mothers.
 
2013-05-12 04:33:45 PM
Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?
 
2013-05-12 04:33:50 PM
The USA is a factory for making people mentally ill and arming them.
 
2013-05-12 04:33:58 PM
Shiat. Copycats of the Tsarnaev brothers? Or unrelated lunatics? Either way, hope they get caught damn quickly.
 
2013-05-12 04:34:01 PM
What's the NYPD doing in New Orleans?
 
2013-05-12 04:34:20 PM
Now is not the time to talk about gun control
 
2013-05-12 04:34:51 PM

Swoop1809: Now is not the time to talk about gun control


The "Time to talk about gun control" clock has been reset again?
 
2013-05-12 04:34:52 PM

simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?


How many of your guns have the gun grabbers grabbed?
 
2013-05-12 04:35:00 PM
Sigh, time to reset the "days since mass shooting" counter.
 
2013-05-12 04:35:00 PM
This is New Orleans' Katrina.
 
2013-05-12 04:35:01 PM
Well, that sucks... for a few months there, it almost looked like New Orleans was turning back into a decent place. Instead, let's cue up another full week of politicized gun control arguments.

Personally, I'm more surprised that there are places where a dozen people still watch a parade...
 
2013-05-12 04:35:03 PM

Swoop1809: Now is not the time to talk about gun control


That's because it was too soon after the tragedy when you posted that comment.  Now that I've posted mine, it's too late.
 
2013-05-12 04:35:07 PM
Momma's gonna be pissed, and when Momma ain't happy, ain't nobody gonna be happy.

Seriously, WTF?
 
2013-05-12 04:35:21 PM

Swoop1809: Now is not the time to talk about gun control


*resets the timer*
 
2013-05-12 04:35:31 PM
Oh, NOLA. :/ For all the crime in that city, a shooting during a second-line parade is still pretty rare. So farked up.
 
2013-05-12 04:35:36 PM
This is why you never attend a 2nd-line parade.
 
2013-05-12 04:35:53 PM
Just throw away the "Days Without a Mass Shooting" clock, we don't need it anymore.
 
2013-05-12 04:36:01 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: The USA is a factory for making people mentally ill and arming them.


this could be stopped if healthcare was paid for by taxes. People in the US often go without seeing doctors for years when they have conditions to be treated. Its also one less thing to worry about when you lose your job.
 
2013-05-12 04:36:01 PM

LordJiro: Shiat. Copycats of the Tsarnaev brothers? Or unrelated lunatics? Either way, hope they get caught damn quickly.


I have a feeling it's a gang shooting, not that it makes it any better.
 
2013-05-12 04:36:02 PM

coeyagi: simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?

How many of your guns have the gun grabbers grabbed?


None, but that means they won't TRY.
 
2013-05-12 04:36:04 PM
Since it's New Orleans isn't the proper term "Baby Mama Parade"?
 
2013-05-12 04:36:11 PM
Oh FFS people. Can we just go one week without mass shootings?
 
2013-05-12 04:36:20 PM
Yes, I'm sure the guns were legally owned, so of course the solution is more laws.

The real question is a Mothers Day parade?

/I guess they'll use any excuse for a second line
//which some asshole had to ruin
 
2013-05-12 04:36:21 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: The USA is a factory for making people mentally ill and arming them.


I guarantee this was gang (and therefore drug-war) related.
 
2013-05-12 04:36:28 PM
Ah, mothers day in the Ghetto.

Quantum Apostrophe: The USA is a factory for making people mentally ill and arming them.


Given that this was NOLA, I doubt it was mentally ill and more gangbanger.
 
2013-05-12 04:36:52 PM
WHAT THE FARK IS GOING ON???

Can't we go a month without some assholes trying to kill a bunch of people??
 
2013-05-12 04:36:54 PM
Watch how fast it gets buried if it turns out to be gang related.

Will Fox, MSNBC and CNN be covering this in a few hours? Will there be non-stop coverage for the next 3 days?

I'm guessing no. Nobody cares unless it's white people.
 
2013-05-12 04:37:02 PM

Warthog: This is New Orleans' Katrina.


I laughed. Then felt bad. Then laughed again.
 
2013-05-12 04:37:12 PM
Seriously America, WTF? Couldn't we go a couple weeks without a major crisis?
 
2013-05-12 04:37:13 PM
What's a "second-line parade"?
 
2013-05-12 04:37:26 PM
If only they all had covered their entire bodies with guns then the bullets would have just deflected off of them.
Damn you FartBidend0!
 
2013-05-12 04:37:45 PM

simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?


We've had *elementary schoolchildren* shot up and made precisely zero progress in taking your precious murdertoys away.  Sit back, relax, you've won.
 
2013-05-12 04:37:54 PM

iq_in_binary: Watch how fast it gets buried if it turns out to be gang related.

Will Fox, MSNBC and CNN be covering this in a few hours? Will there be non-stop coverage for the next 3 days?

I'm guessing no. Nobody cares unless it's white people.


THIS SMART POST IS SMART.
 
2013-05-12 04:37:56 PM
media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-12 04:37:59 PM

Belatryx: Oh FFS people. Can we just go one week without mass shootings?


Short Answer: No

Long Answer: Nope
 
2013-05-12 04:38:05 PM
Given that this was NOLA, I bet it was Drew Brees. He's a gunslinger!
 
2013-05-12 04:38:11 PM
This is what happens when you take God out of Mother's Day parades.
 
2013-05-12 04:38:16 PM

iq_in_binary: Watch how fast it gets buried if it turns out to be gang related.

Will Fox, MSNBC and CNN be covering this in a few hours? Will there be non-stop coverage for the next 3 days?

I'm guessing no. Nobody cares unless it's white people.


theres a white guy on the ground with blood around him in pics on rt
 
2013-05-12 04:38:23 PM
Isolated incident! Founding fathers! Sacred rights!

FAPFAPFAPFAPFAP
 
2013-05-12 04:38:24 PM
Clearly, the solution is more guns.
 
2013-05-12 04:38:32 PM

Superrad: Seriously America, WTF? Couldn't we go a couple weeks without a major crisis?


A shooting in New Orleans is a major crisis? It's a more a story when there isn't one.
 
2013-05-12 04:38:33 PM

Fark It: Quantum Apostrophe: The USA is a factory for making people mentally ill and arming them.

I guarantee this was gang (and therefore drug-war) related.


A lot of recent shootings in NOLA have found to not be gang-related. Unfortunately, they've been committed by youngsters just out to create havoc. There's structural violence there and the reasoning behind such crimes is not always easy to discern.
 
2013-05-12 04:38:34 PM

simrobert2001: coeyagi: simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?

How many of your guns have the gun grabbers grabbed?

None, but that means they won't TRY.


Awww.... your rights are supposedly being infringed.  Let me go find the world's tiniest violin for you.
 
2013-05-12 04:38:35 PM

Swoop1809: Now is not the time to talk about gun control


That's right, it is a good time to talk about getting rid of Mother's Day though.
If it wasn't Mother's Day, those people would not have been out there having that Parade!
They should have been out at brunch, like everyone else.  If people can't celebrate Mother's Day properly, they should not celebrate it at ALL!
 
2013-05-12 04:39:01 PM

coeyagi: FrancoFile: Quantum Apostrophe: The USA is a factory for making people mentally ill and arming them.

This isn't the politics tab, asshole.

This is obviously a place to show your disdain for background checks though.


Background checks require computers that would be better-used for studying life extension, but not spaceflight.
 
2013-05-12 04:39:17 PM

coeyagi: Almost a million gun related deaths since the 80s, but somehow this Facebook post is relevant in the minds of right-wing deprers:

[www.hyscience.com image 768x768]

Apparently, only a few gun owners killed the nearly one million people.  We obviously need better investigators for serial killers.


Forget it Jake, it's Tardtown.
 
2013-05-12 04:39:27 PM

ontariolightning: Quantum Apostrophe: The USA is a factory for making people mentally ill and arming them.

this could be stopped if healthcare was paid for by taxes. People in the US often go without seeing doctors for years when they have conditions to be treated. Its also one less thing to worry about when you lose your job.


If we export all of our illegals to Canada, how long will your health care system survive?  1, maybe 2 weeks?
 
2013-05-12 04:39:34 PM

hardinparamedic: Given that this was NOLA, I doubt it was mentally ill and more gangbanger.


There's a difference?
 
2013-05-12 04:39:39 PM
Clearly, if everyone had been armed at that parade, none of this would have happened.
 
2013-05-12 04:39:48 PM
Wayne Lapierre Doesn't Care About Black People. -Kanye West
 
2013-05-12 04:40:12 PM
There is a mental health treatment problem and an economic disparity problem in the United States. Gun related massacres are just a symptom. But just like the slight of western medicine, it's all about immediately silencing the symptoms rather than treating the underlying cause.
 
2013-05-12 04:40:25 PM

Nemo's Brother: ontariolightning: Quantum Apostrophe: The USA is a factory for making people mentally ill and arming them.

this could be stopped if healthcare was paid for by taxes. People in the US often go without seeing doctors for years when they have conditions to be treated. Its also one less thing to worry about when you lose your job.

If we export all of our illegals to Canada, how long will your health care system survive?  1, maybe 2 weeks?


you can try but our government doesnt like mexicans
 
2013-05-12 04:41:05 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: What's a "second-line parade"?


A pretty awesome event in New Orleans, where people get all dressed up and the full brass band parades around with people dancing and following along.   There is no occasion inappropriate for a second line, from a funeral to a wedding.
 
2013-05-12 04:41:08 PM
Anyone want to take a guess when this thread will hit a thousand posts?  I am guessing 6:15 pm EST.
 
2013-05-12 04:41:08 PM
Guns don't kill people, mass events kill people. -

Wayne Lapierre
 
2013-05-12 04:41:13 PM
ISOLATED INCIDENT.

Please ignore the preceding isolated incidents as well, please.  Otherwise, people might not be able to buy their guns as easily as they can now.
 
2013-05-12 04:41:26 PM
fehrtheewell.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-12 04:41:31 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-12 04:42:14 PM

coeyagi: simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?

How many of your guns have the gun grabbers grabbed?


I grabbed one of my guns the other day
 
2013-05-12 04:42:21 PM
Guns don't kill people, mothers who get bargain bin greeting cards and some Brand X perfume for Mother's Day kill people.  -Wayne Lapierre
 
2013-05-12 04:42:22 PM
I blame the 2nd Amendment.
 
2013-05-12 04:42:26 PM
Man, New Orleans will have a parade for anything.
 
2013-05-12 04:42:34 PM
Anyone know what Kanye West thinks about this?
 
2013-05-12 04:42:42 PM
I'm pretty sure a shooting in New Orleans is not a news flash.
 
2013-05-12 04:42:49 PM

Belatryx: Oh FFS people. Can we just go one week without mass shootings?


That would be easy to do.  Lock up the libs.  They're the ones who keep shooting people.  It's almost as though it's a mental illness
 
2013-05-12 04:42:56 PM

Caradoc: hardinparamedic: Given that this was NOLA, I doubt it was mentally ill and more gangbanger.

There's a difference?


Adam Lanza didn't throw his bullets. He intended to redecorate the classroom in a lovely pink with the brainmatter of 26 kids. On the other hand, the safest place to be in a gangbanger shootout is in front of the guy he's shooting at. It's the 3 year old to the left that he's gonna hit.
 
2013-05-12 04:42:58 PM
Speaking of mass events killing people, what is gonna happen as the gun nuts march in DC with their weapons?
 
2013-05-12 04:43:01 PM
Is the gun OK? I can start a Paypal fund to make sure the gun finds a good home.
 
2013-05-12 04:43:09 PM
Nope, not gonna say it.
 
2013-05-12 04:43:16 PM
Clearly, if there would have been more guns there this wouldn't have happened.
 
2013-05-12 04:43:32 PM
Can't we have one good month?

pacificties.org
 
2013-05-12 04:43:35 PM

my alt's alt's alt: There is a mental health treatment problem and an economic disparity problem in the United States. Gun related massacres are just a symptom.


I don't buy this spin that anyone who shoots someone is mentally ill. Are all armed robbers, rapist and any and all criminals in general mentally ill? No. It's just a diversionary tactic so you don't have to face the real problem of a gun culture out of control.
 
2013-05-12 04:43:39 PM

Noam Chimpsky: I blame the 2nd Amendment.


I blame its proponents who think tyranny is a transgendered dinosaur.
 
2013-05-12 04:44:04 PM
I'm trying to get Barbara Bush on the line. She always has compassionate insight on victims from New Orleans.


farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-05-12 04:44:09 PM
Serious question:  what's a "Second line" as discussed in the article?
 
2013-05-12 04:44:12 PM
Perhaps they should have had some mounted anti-personnel guns on the parade floats.

Should the horn section have been packing some heat, too?

Hey, gun fans, explain how this isn't anything to get freaked out over.
 
2013-05-12 04:44:21 PM
I blame the City of New Orleans permit center. How dare they issue a parade permit without requiring all participants to cary at least one primary firearm and a backup handgun.
 
2013-05-12 04:44:23 PM
if it wasn't a mothers day parade this would not even be news
 
2013-05-12 04:44:24 PM

coeyagi: Almost a million gun related deaths since the 80s, but somehow this Facebook post is relevant in the minds of right-wing deprers:

[www.hyscience.com image 768x768]


Except they go and demand that Muslims be profiled anyway. Ah, hypocrisy.
 
2013-05-12 04:44:34 PM

CruJones: Prank Call of Cthulhu: What's a "second-line parade"?

A pretty awesome event in New Orleans, where people get all dressed up and the full brass band parades around with people dancing and following along.   There is no occasion inappropriate for a second line, from a funeral to a wedding.


Usually they don't include a shooting.

Although this is the 7th Ward we're talking about here.
 
2013-05-12 04:44:43 PM
Did Obama immediatly call this a terrorist act? Because if not, IMPEACH!
 
2013-05-12 04:44:56 PM

Warthog: Serious question:  what's a "Second line" as discussed in the article?


A website where everyone is free to be whoever they want.
 
2013-05-12 04:45:38 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Is the gun OK? I can start a Paypal fund to make sure the gun finds a good home.


You could donate to the hardinparamedic nursing school fund, if you really wanted to help a dick find a good home.
 
2013-05-12 04:45:45 PM

Warthog: Serious question:  what's a "Second line" as discussed in the article?


buncha people get dressed up and dance along after the official parade, along with a brass band.  It's pretty awesome.
 
2013-05-12 04:46:09 PM

Raharu: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 800x747]


I think I will be calling all gun nuts "delicate flowers" from now on.
 
2013-05-12 04:46:11 PM

simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?


That's your main concern?  And then you wonder why people want to reform gun laws?

/you sound like a psycho and I would love to keep psychos from owning guns
//Good luck New Orleans, sad to hear about this
 
2013-05-12 04:46:18 PM

Mugato: Did Obama immediatly call this a terrorist act? Because if not, IMPEACH!


To be fair, Urban gangs do fit the literal definition of a terrorist group.
 
2013-05-12 04:46:23 PM

simrobert2001: coeyagi: simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?

How many of your guns have the gun grabbers grabbed?

None, but that means they won't TRY.




The keyword is try, there are also those trying to turn the US into a Christian theocracy. I don't think either one has a chance in hell.
 
2013-05-12 04:47:22 PM
The NRA would like to wish everyone a very HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY!
 
2013-05-12 04:47:27 PM
Guns don't kill people. A poor mental health system, coupled with a weak background check system and bad socioeconomic forces kill people.
 
2013-05-12 04:47:42 PM
I tell you, if that 10 year old had been packing a gun, he'd have been fine.  I blame the parents for sending him to the parade unprepared for a gun fight.
 
2013-05-12 04:47:55 PM
A gang shooting in NO.  Colored, errr...I mean... color me shocked.

You won't see the MSM cover this.
 
2013-05-12 04:47:56 PM

iq_in_binary: Watch how fast it gets buried if it turns out to be gang related.

Will Fox, MSNBC and CNN be covering this in a few hours? Will there be non-stop coverage for the next 3 days?

I'm guessing no. Nobody cares unless it's white people.


Yeah, I'm normally not one to pull the race card out right away and even try to beat it down when other people bring it up in knee-jerk ways, but I have to say seeing the lily-white Sandy Hook choir sing at the Super Bowl made me wonder if anything similar ever possibly could have organized for the minority victims that die disproportionately of gun violence every day.

vstream.rollingout.com.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-05-12 04:47:57 PM
More victims of the War On some Drugs.
 
2013-05-12 04:48:23 PM

hardinparamedic: Mugato: Did Obama immediatly call this a terrorist act? Because if not, IMPEACH!

To be fair, Urban gangs do fit the literal definition of a terrorist group.


Maybe in NOLA. Not every city's gangs operate like they do in The Wire, you know.
 
2013-05-12 04:48:27 PM
Browning (rifle) is doing a heckuva job. -George W. Bush
 
2013-05-12 04:48:37 PM
Lets wait before discussing gun control, any decision now would illogically be based on rash decision.
 
2013-05-12 04:48:59 PM
Good thing it was on Mother's Day, because people will actually care about the murders.
 
2013-05-12 04:49:21 PM

coeyagi: Browning (rifle) is doing a heckuva job. -George W. Bush


Browning makes the AR-15?

News to me.
 
2013-05-12 04:49:31 PM

Outrageous Muff: A shooting in New Orleans is a major crisis? It's a more a story when there isn't one.


Is there a minimum number that have to be shot  before it's news? Imena in genral, USA wide...

simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?


As longs as the perps are white and non-Muslim it'll be no big deal.
 
2013-05-12 04:49:32 PM

Outrageous Muff: Guns don't kill people. A poor mental health system, coupled with a weak background check system and bad socioeconomic forces kill people.


It's a way of life for some. They grow up like this and it's all they know.
 
2013-05-12 04:49:32 PM

Ranger Rover: iq_in_binary: Watch how fast it gets buried if it turns out to be gang related.

Will Fox, MSNBC and CNN be covering this in a few hours? Will there be non-stop coverage for the next 3 days?

I'm guessing no. Nobody cares unless it's white people.

Yeah, I'm normally not one to pull the race card out right away and even try to beat it down when other people bring it up in knee-jerk ways, but I have to say seeing the lily-white Sandy Hook choir sing at the Super Bowl made me wonder if anything similar ever possibly could have organized for the minority victims that die disproportionately of gun violence every day.

[vstream.rollingout.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 475x337]


And yet people call me a racist for pointing that out.
 
2013-05-12 04:49:40 PM
Anyone know how this is Obama's fault yet?  Drudge Report is still quiet on this front.
 
2013-05-12 04:49:43 PM
Personally, I blame the victims for not moving out of the way of the bullets.  Probably looking to get a lawsuit going, if you ask me.
 
2013-05-12 04:49:49 PM

coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: I blame the 2nd Amendment.

I blame its proponents who think tyranny is a transgendered dinosaur.


Tyranny is when you shove a gun in someone's face.
 
2013-05-12 04:49:55 PM
tng.trekcore.com

Seriously, I'm sick of all these mass shootings.

/Fark you, Wayne Lapierre.
 
2013-05-12 04:49:59 PM

you are a puppet: Warthog: Serious question:  what's a "Second line" as discussed in the article?

A website where everyone is free to be whoever they want.


I googled this shiat for everyone because apparently fingers are broken.

Second Line Parade

Now, in case y'alls clicker fingers are busted, it's a New Orleans tradition of following the brass band, often hosted by clubs and local orgs.  Similar to the jazz funeral, it's a glorious excuse to be funky.
 
2013-05-12 04:50:16 PM

SubBass49: iq_in_binary: Watch how fast it gets buried if it turns out to be gang related.

Will Fox, MSNBC and CNN be covering this in a few hours? Will there be non-stop coverage for the next 3 days?

I'm guessing no. Nobody cares unless it's white people.

THIS SMART POST IS SMART.


Just checked the Google News tab...no sign of this story at all.
 
2013-05-12 04:50:30 PM

hardinparamedic: coeyagi: Browning (rifle) is doing a heckuva job. -George W. Bush

Browning makes the AR-15?

News to me.


Is that what was used to kill people in this incident?  Or are you trading one falsehood based on no evidence for another?
 
2013-05-12 04:50:50 PM
normal day in Chicago.
 
2013-05-12 04:51:26 PM

lewismarktwo: More victims of the War On some Drugs.


Let's copy the success of the War on Drugs and War on Terror and open up a new War on Guns!
 
2013-05-12 04:51:35 PM
Well, since no young white women were hurt in this shooting, you can be certain that no news organization in America is going to give it much attention.
 
2013-05-12 04:51:42 PM
This is why we can't have nice things, black people!
 
2013-05-12 04:51:56 PM

simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?


Troll or not, you're a farking disgrace to the human race.
Please leave this mortal coil at the next opportunity.
 
2013-05-12 04:52:04 PM

The Green Manalishi: SubBass49: iq_in_binary: Watch how fast it gets buried if it turns out to be gang related.

Will Fox, MSNBC and CNN be covering this in a few hours? Will there be non-stop coverage for the next 3 days?

I'm guessing no. Nobody cares unless it's white people.

THIS SMART POST IS SMART.

Just checked the Google News tab...no sign of this story at all.


MSNBC just checked in on it.
 
2013-05-12 04:52:19 PM
Caradoc
hardinparamedic: Given that this was NOLA, I doubt it was mentally ill and more gangbanger.
There's a difference?


Skin color.
 
2013-05-12 04:52:21 PM

MrEricSir: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: I blame the 2nd Amendment.

I blame its proponents who think tyranny is a transgendered dinosaur.

Tyranny is when you shove a gun in someone's face.


Tyranny is when you shove a lobbyist in a congressperson's face.
 
2013-05-12 04:52:30 PM

KhamanV: you are a puppet: Warthog: Serious question:  what's a "Second line" as discussed in the article?

A website where everyone is free to be whoever they want.

I googled this shiat for everyone because apparently fingers are broken.

Second Line Parade

Now, in case y'alls clicker fingers are busted, it's a New Orleans tradition of following the brass band, often hosted by clubs and local orgs.  Similar to the jazz funeral, it's a glorious excuse to be funky.


Thanks for the link. And btw, what's a second line?
 
2013-05-12 04:52:33 PM

iq_in_binary: Watch how fast it gets buried if it turns out to be gang related.

Will Fox, MSNBC and CNN be covering this in a few hours? Will there be non-stop coverage for the next 3 days?

I'm guessing no. Nobody cares unless it's white people.


Doubly so if its gangs.
 
2013-05-12 04:53:10 PM

BalugaJoe: normal day in Chicago.


I wonder what the common denominator between New Orleans and Chicago gun violence is... Huh, can't think of anything. Oh, except guns. Lets definitely focus on the guns.
 
2013-05-12 04:53:11 PM

super_grass: I hope the perps and victims are black.

Had they been any other race we would have gone in full-derp mode and tear ourselves apart with loud, obnoxious debates for weeks on end with nothing to show for it. If they were black it would be treated just like any other local crime, the perps won't get national attention, and the victims' families would be left to grieve in peace.


You delicate flower you.
 
2013-05-12 04:53:20 PM

The Green Manalishi: SubBass49: iq_in_binary: Watch how fast it gets buried if it turns out to be gang related.

Will Fox, MSNBC and CNN be covering this in a few hours? Will there be non-stop coverage for the next 3 days?

I'm guessing no. Nobody cares unless it's white people.

THIS SMART POST IS SMART.

Just checked the Google News tab...no sign of this story at all.


For me it's the first story under "World".
 
2013-05-12 04:53:22 PM
Why won't Americans stop killing each other?  Don't they know we can't afford 3 more weeks of non-stop discussion on gun control?  Selfish pricks.
 
2013-05-12 04:53:30 PM

LordJiro: Shiat. Copycats of the Tsarnaev brothers? Or unrelated lunatics? Either way, hope they get caught damn quickly.


The only copycat thing it could be is that it's a mass gathering/reason . Bombs and guns are generally considered way different MO.
Just as likely to be a copycat of Sandy Hook as of the Tsarnevs.

And way to early to tell. People with a grudge, people who just like to hurt people, people with a cause etc.Lets not rush to judgement.
 
2013-05-12 04:53:43 PM

MyNameIsMofuga: I'm pretty sure a shooting in New Orleans is not a news flash.


Even when at least a dozen people were shot? Or is that standard faire for a Sunday?

/Clevelander who's glad to see attention diverted
//until Nancy Grace shows up, that is
 
2013-05-12 04:53:43 PM

coeyagi: The only thing that stops a bad mother with a gun


totallytop10.com
 
2013-05-12 04:53:48 PM

coeyagi: hardinparamedic: coeyagi: Browning (rifle) is doing a heckuva job. -George W. Bush

Browning makes the AR-15?

News to me.

Is that what was used to kill people in this incident?  Or are you trading one falsehood based on no evidence for another?


So what was used to shoot people in this incident? Because I'm willing to bet Browning didn't make it. Gangbangers typically don't use mid-range to high-end hunting rifles and shotguns to commit their crimes, and a Hi-Power is about twice the price of a glock.
 
2013-05-12 04:53:52 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: BalugaJoe: normal day in Chicago.

I wonder what the common denominator between New Orleans and Chicago gun violence is... Huh, can't think of anything. Oh, except guns. Lets definitely focus on the guns.


Poverty?
 
2013-05-12 04:54:04 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: The USA is a factory for making people mentally ill and arming them.


Montreal is the shiat hole of Canada. Stupid French.
 
2013-05-12 04:54:09 PM
ABC reporting now http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=19163974
 
2013-05-12 04:54:52 PM
Police are going door to door. Bet they won't shut the city down to find them though. NewOrleansStronger
 
2013-05-12 04:55:10 PM

Mrtraveler01: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: BalugaJoe: normal day in Chicago.

I wonder what the common denominator between New Orleans and Chicago gun violence is... Huh, can't think of anything. Oh, except guns. Lets definitely focus on the guns.

Poverty?


Yes, clearly, the assault in NO was an attempt to steal the parade.

Or maybe some mothers.  Ooh, they could have been trying to hijack the brass section.
 
2013-05-12 04:55:28 PM

pyrotek85: I have a feeling it's a gang shooting, not that it makes it any better.


Yeah. When they have statements like "Three young men were seen fleeing the scene" it's probably not a Aurora or Newtown type deal. Looking at the photo's it certainly appears to be a pretty poor area which is also where you're going to find gang activity.
 
2013-05-12 04:55:28 PM

Mrtraveler01: Poverty?


Poverty and a fair bit of historical segregation
 
2013-05-12 04:55:30 PM

simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?


Well, what do you think these managed shooting's are all about, anyway?

/[removes tin foil hat]
 
2013-05-12 04:55:34 PM

Swoop1809: Now is not the time to talk about gun control


www.charlock.org
 
2013-05-12 04:55:39 PM
symptomoftheuniverse:
Thanks for the link. And btw, what's a second line?

...just on the total odd chance. 'Second line' is lingo for referring to the second line parade, which I would link to for a second time to underline the second line parade, but I am too farking lazy.

So for the second time, the second line is a phrase for the second line parade, which is a second parade after the first parade, during which there may be jazz and funkiness and such like.

/but, why male models?
 
2013-05-12 04:55:46 PM

Mrtraveler01: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: BalugaJoe: normal day in Chicago.

I wonder what the common denominator between New Orleans and Chicago gun violence is... Huh, can't think of anything. Oh, except guns. Lets definitely focus on the guns.

Poverty?


That's gotta be it. That's probably why West Virginia has just as much gun violence as New Orleans and Chicago.
 
2013-05-12 04:55:48 PM

simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?


LOL. People are shot, but you are the real victim. Got it.
 
2013-05-12 04:55:52 PM

hardinparamedic: coeyagi: hardinparamedic: coeyagi: Browning (rifle) is doing a heckuva job. -George W. Bush

Browning makes the AR-15?

News to me.

Is that what was used to kill people in this incident?  Or are you trading one falsehood based on no evidence for another?

So what was used to shoot people in this incident? Because I'm willing to bet Browning didn't make it. Gangbangers typically don't use mid-range to high-end hunting rifles and shotguns to commit their crimes, and a Hi-Power is about twice the price of a glock.


I know that.  But the likelihood it was an AR-15 is also slim.

You see... Brownie (Michael Brown) was head of FEMA during Katrina.... which was in New Orleans.... Brownie... Browning.... get it?

FFS, people, if you can't have a few lame yucks at these tragic times caused by the gun lobby, when can you?
 
2013-05-12 04:56:01 PM

Mrtraveler01: Poverty?


So lets give all the poor people free money and they'll stop robbing, shooting and killing. I mean it's not like it's at all their fault for the financial situation they find themselves in, right?
 
2013-05-12 04:56:22 PM

simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?


Nope. Every day there's a shooting somewhere, and the media is going to make sure everyone knows it's THE MOST HORRIBLE MASSACRE IN THE HISTORY OF FOREVER AND IT WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE NRA until we finally rescind the Second Amendment.

/then the First Amendment will quickly follow, as "news contrary to our narrative" becomes the new terrorist threat
//and we'll all cheer the elimination of freedom, with fanfare and trumpets and maybe a spiffy new anthem
///because making it "The Internationale" would be just too obvious
 
2013-05-12 04:56:23 PM
You know what this mean folks: we need to ban all mothers.

/hate my mom.  Screw Mother's Day.
 
2013-05-12 04:56:47 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Mrtraveler01: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: BalugaJoe: normal day in Chicago.

I wonder what the common denominator between New Orleans and Chicago gun violence is... Huh, can't think of anything. Oh, except guns. Lets definitely focus on the guns.

Poverty?

That's gotta be it. That's probably why West Virginia has just as much gun violence as New Orleans and Chicago.


True. They just make their meth in peace.
 
2013-05-12 04:56:52 PM

coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: I blame the 2nd Amendment.

I blame its proponents who think tyranny is a transgendered dinosaur.


Are you an opponent of the 2nd Amendment? Clearly you aren't a proponent, right?

There are obviously a lot of you anti-2nd Amendment types. Why don't you start a petition to repeal it?  Grow a pair.
 
2013-05-12 04:56:55 PM

Gyrfalcon: iq_in_binary: Watch how fast it gets buried if it turns out to be gang related.

Will Fox, MSNBC and CNN be covering this in a few hours? Will there be non-stop coverage for the next 3 days?

I'm guessing no. Nobody cares unless it's white people.

Doubly so if its gangs.


It probably doesn't help that a lot of us were around for the drug wars in the 80's and 90's. We may have been a bit desensitized to inner city gang violence.
 
2013-05-12 04:57:18 PM

Tatterdemalian: simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?

Nope. Every day there's a shooting somewhere, and the media is going to make sure everyone knows it's THE MOST HORRIBLE MASSACRE IN THE HISTORY OF FOREVER AND IT WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE NRA until we finally rescind the Second Amendment.

/then the First Amendment will quickly follow, as "news contrary to our narrative" becomes the new terrorist threat
//and we'll all cheer the elimination of freedom, with fanfare and trumpets and maybe a spiffy new anthem
///because making it "The Internationale" would be just too obvious


Lighten up, francis.
 
2013-05-12 04:57:31 PM

Tatterdemalian: simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?

Nope. Every day there's a shooting somewhere, and the media is going to make sure everyone knows it's THE MOST HORRIBLE MASSACRE IN THE HISTORY OF FOREVER AND IT WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE NRA until we finally rescind the Second Amendment.

/then the First Amendment will quickly follow, as "news contrary to our narrative" becomes the new terrorist threat
//and we'll all cheer the elimination of freedom, with fanfare and trumpets and maybe a spiffy new anthem
///because making it "The Internationale" would be just too obvious


Kroger has a sale on tin foil today.

/thought you'd be interested
 
2013-05-12 04:57:35 PM

Mrtraveler01: super_grass: I hope the perps and victims are black.

Had they been any other race we would have gone in full-derp mode and tear ourselves apart with loud, obnoxious debates for weeks on end with nothing to show for it. If they were black it would be treated just like any other local crime, the perps won't get national attention, and the victims' families would be left to grieve in peace.

You delicate flower you.


Anything to keep the gun-grabber stupidity in check.

More people will be killed by alcohol this weekend but we have the luxury of not listening to the MADD neo-prohibitionists derp about bottle size restrictions and limits on liquor proofs. Now the gun-control people are repeating the same thing and we're all quite tired of them.
 
2013-05-12 04:57:53 PM

davidphogan: The Green Manalishi: SubBass49: iq_in_binary: Watch how fast it gets buried if it turns out to be gang related.

Will Fox, MSNBC and CNN be covering this in a few hours? Will there be non-stop coverage for the next 3 days?

I'm guessing no. Nobody cares unless it's white people.

THIS SMART POST IS SMART.

Just checked the Google News tab...no sign of this story at all.

For me it's the first story under "World".


It just came up under the US tab for me, but it's still the third story down.
 
2013-05-12 04:58:04 PM

Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: I blame the 2nd Amendment.

I blame its proponents who think tyranny is a transgendered dinosaur.

Are you an opponent of the 2nd Amendment? Clearly you aren't a proponent, right?

There are obviously a lot of you anti-2nd Amendment types. Why don't you start a petition to repeal it?  Grow a pair.


Come on chimpkens, work that trollrage a little harder, bro.
 
2013-05-12 04:58:14 PM

coeyagi: Popcorn Johnny: Mrtraveler01: Poverty?

So lets give all the poor people free money and they'll stop robbing, shooting and killing. I mean it's not like it's at all their fault for the financial situation they find themselves in, right?

You live in a gated community and/or work in a setting that only plays FoxNews, don't you princess?


Ignore Popcorn, he's just trying to amuse himself.
 
2013-05-12 04:59:00 PM

MyNameIsMofuga: I'm pretty sure a shooting in New Orleans is not a news flash.


Here's the thing- some white people might have gotten shot.
 
2013-05-12 04:59:06 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: What's a "second-line parade"?


It is a parade for poor people.
 
2013-05-12 04:59:30 PM

Swoop1809: Now is not the time to talk about gun control


Are you farking serious? Should we wait at least a week after a mass shooting in the U.S. before talking about it?  Because there never IS a week between mass shootings in the U.S.
 
2013-05-12 04:59:31 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Mrtraveler01: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: BalugaJoe: normal day in Chicago.

I wonder what the common denominator between New Orleans and Chicago gun violence is... Huh, can't think of anything. Oh, except guns. Lets definitely focus on the guns.

Poverty?

That's gotta be it. That's probably why West Virginia has just as much gun violence as New Orleans and Chicago.


Equality. Most people in WV have similar incomes and are the mostly same ethnicity.

/ ducks from bullets
 
2013-05-12 04:59:38 PM

Noam Chimpsky: Are you an opponent of the 2nd Amendment? Clearly you aren't a proponent, right?

There are obviously a lot of you anti-2nd Amendment types. Why don't you start a petition to repeal it?  Grow a pair.


As a gun owner, and HCP holder, please STFU. You are exactly the kind of person that gives people ammunition they need for their stereotype of the gun nut. This "you're either for us completely, or you're agin' us" mentality is doing nothing to help your case, and doing everything to further theirs.

Because someone wants increased regulation of gun purchases and increased scrutiny there of, does NOT mean they are one step away from marching into your house and taking your boomsticks away.
 
2013-05-12 04:59:58 PM

super_grass: Mrtraveler01: super_grass: I hope the perps and victims are black.

Had they been any other race we would have gone in full-derp mode and tear ourselves apart with loud, obnoxious debates for weeks on end with nothing to show for it. If they were black it would be treated just like any other local crime, the perps won't get national attention, and the victims' families would be left to grieve in peace.

You delicate flower you.

Anything to keep the gun-grabber stupidity in check.

More people will be killed by alcohol this weekend but we have the luxury of not listening to the MADD neo-prohibitionists derp about bottle size restrictions and limits on liquor proofs. Now the gun-control people are repeating the same thing and we're all quite tired of them.


super_flower
 
2013-05-12 05:00:25 PM
Mom, this day IS all about you but let's not forget POP POP POP POP POP POP POP POP POP POP POP POP
 
2013-05-12 05:00:52 PM
CNN now reports 100's feared dead and all 6 are in custody. Stay tuned for the Nancy Grace and Ashleigh Banfield report live from same parking lot.
 
2013-05-12 05:01:53 PM

WhyteRaven74: Mrtraveler01: Poverty?

Poverty and a fair bit of historical segregation


Because it's the south right?

Not that any other areas in the US are segregated.  They just call it something different in those areas.  I think the term is "low-income housing."
 
2013-05-12 05:01:56 PM
Typical Fartbama-fellating Liberals.  No respect whatsoever for human life.

/TINSTAAVC
 
2013-05-12 05:02:11 PM

LordJiro: Shiat. Copycats of the Tsarnaev brothers? Or unrelated lunatics? Either way, hope they get caught damn quickly.


Uh, no, probably criminal gang rivals unconcerned with collateral damage. Or something domestic. Two semi-auto pistols plus a big crowd = lots of people in the line of fire.
 
2013-05-12 05:02:14 PM

coeyagi: You live in a gated community and/or work in a setting that only plays FoxNews, don't you princess?


You refuse to blame people for their actions, don't you? You'd probably apologize to a gang banger if they car jacked you.
 
2013-05-12 05:02:14 PM
God damnit, now the census numbers are all f*cked up in the 7th ward!
 
2013-05-12 05:02:37 PM
The only good thing about stories like these is that I get a new batch of people on here to tag racist or gun-nut to make future commenting easier.
 
2013-05-12 05:02:50 PM

you are a puppet: super_grass: Mrtraveler01: super_grass: I hope the perps and victims are black.

Had they been any other race we would have gone in full-derp mode and tear ourselves apart with loud, obnoxious debates for weeks on end with nothing to show for it. If they were black it would be treated just like any other local crime, the perps won't get national attention, and the victims' families would be left to grieve in peace.

You delicate flower you.

Anything to keep the gun-grabber stupidity in check.

More people will be killed by alcohol this weekend but we have the luxury of not listening to the MADD neo-prohibitionists derp about bottle size restrictions and limits on liquor proofs. Now the gun-control people are repeating the same thing and we're all quite tired of them.

super_flower


Anti-gun "humor".

Your vice kills more people, it's just more spread out and less publicized. But now you have a name to call other people to shut down debate so you can be shielded from it all, so I guess that's a win for your side.
 
2013-05-12 05:02:51 PM

Popcorn Johnny: coeyagi: You live in a gated community and/or work in a setting that only plays FoxNews, don't you princess?

You refuse to blame people for their actions, don't you? You'd probably apologize to a gang banger if they car jacked you.


1/10.  Who do you blame for your sophomoric retorts, your English teacher?
 
2013-05-12 05:02:52 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: The USA is a factory for making people mentally ill and arming them.


I lol'ed
 
2013-05-12 05:03:07 PM

great_tigers: Quantum Apostrophe: The USA is a factory for making people mentally ill and arming them.

Montreal is the shiat hole of Canada. Stupid French.


It sure is, and?
 
2013-05-12 05:04:11 PM

super_grass: More people will be killed by alcohol this weekend but we have the luxury of not listening to the MADD neo-prohibitionists derp about bottle size restrictions and limits on liquor proofs. Now the gun-control people are repeating the same thing and we're all quite tired of them.


Isn't there a screening of Red Dawn you could be masturbating to?
 
2013-05-12 05:04:53 PM
"That's what you get for not requiring everyone to always be packin heat'."

Wayne LaPièrre
 
2013-05-12 05:05:08 PM
Gun control people only care about scary looking guns, not handguns which are the guns used in 85% of all gun crimes. Sideways handguns don't kill anyone.
 
2013-05-12 05:05:10 PM

Popcorn Johnny: coeyagi: You live in a gated community and/or work in a setting that only plays FoxNews, don't you princess?

You refuse to blame people for their actions, don't you? You'd probably apologize to a gang banger if they car jacked you.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-12 05:05:15 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Mrtraveler01: Poverty?

So lets give all the poor people free money and they'll stop robbing, shooting and killing. I mean it's not like it's at all their fault for the financial situation they find themselves in, right?


not free money but tax payer funded healthcare. Everyone deserves that. Its hard getting in an accident and having to pay 50,000 for surgery
 
2013-05-12 05:05:24 PM
Fundraiser for the NRA, or False Flag operation for Obama?
Can't decide yet.
 
2013-05-12 05:05:51 PM

Belatryx: Oh FFS people. Can we just go one week without mass shootings?


Ironically, the frequency of gun violence is far lower than it was only two decades ago. Nobody  feels that way, but  it's true
 
2013-05-12 05:06:00 PM

super_grass: you are a puppet: super_grass: Mrtraveler01: super_grass: I hope the perps and victims are black.

Had they been any other race we would have gone in full-derp mode and tear ourselves apart with loud, obnoxious debates for weeks on end with nothing to show for it. If they were black it would be treated just like any other local crime, the perps won't get national attention, and the victims' families would be left to grieve in peace.

You delicate flower you.

Anything to keep the gun-grabber stupidity in check.

More people will be killed by alcohol this weekend but we have the luxury of not listening to the MADD neo-prohibitionists derp about bottle size restrictions and limits on liquor proofs. Now the gun-control people are repeating the same thing and we're all quite tired of them.

super_flower

Anti-gun "humor".

Your vice kills more people, it's just more spread out and less publicized. But now you have a name to call other people to shut down debate so you can be shielded from it all, so I guess that's a win for your side.


Haha, calling you a flower threatens to shut down the debate? Yikes! Do you feel intimidated? Stand your ground, I called you a flower! Lethal force is justified!
 
2013-05-12 05:06:14 PM

coeyagi: The only thing that stops a bad mother with a gun is a good mother with a gun. -Wayne Lapierre


I can guarantee you that was no NRA rally at Frenchman and N. Villere, but nice troll attempt.
 
2013-05-12 05:06:23 PM

Ryker's Peninsula: Fundraiser for the NRA, or False Flag operation for Obama?
Can't decide yet.


Attractive and successful people gonna attract and succeed
 
2013-05-12 05:06:28 PM

Ranger Rover: iq_in_binary: Watch how fast it gets buried if it turns out to be gang related.

Will Fox, MSNBC and CNN be covering this in a few hours? Will there be non-stop coverage for the next 3 days?

I'm guessing no. Nobody cares unless it's white people.

Yeah, I'm normally not one to pull the race card out right away and even try to beat it down when other people bring it up in knee-jerk ways, but I have to say seeing the lily-white Sandy Hook choir sing at the Super Bowl made me wonder if anything similar ever possibly could have organized for the minority victims that die disproportionately of gun violence every day.

[vstream.rollingout.com.s3.amazonaws.com image 475x337]


As if having 20 die at once isn't considered different than having one die a week. I guarantee you that 20 black 6 year-olds killed in a school shooting would also get massive attention.

After all, four black girls at a church did.
 
2013-05-12 05:07:12 PM

t3knomanser: Belatryx: Oh FFS people. Can we just go one week without mass shootings?

Ironically, the frequency of gun violence is far lower than it was only two decades ago. Nobody  feels that way, but  it's true


Obviously, the solution is to do nothing then.  I am sure the thousands of dead people from gun crimes each year are resting easy in their graves knowing that fact.
 
2013-05-12 05:07:13 PM
YIKES!

I misread it as '1 shot' and thought 'meh'.
 
2013-05-12 05:07:32 PM
Oh, come on, people. This is just getting silly.
 
2013-05-12 05:07:33 PM

KhamanV: symptomoftheuniverse:
Thanks for the link. And btw, what's a second line?

...just on the total odd chance. 'Second line' is lingo for referring to the second line parade, which I would link to for a second time to underline the second line parade, but I am too farking lazy.

So for the second time, the second line is a phrase for the second line parade, which is a second parade after the first parade, during which there may be jazz and funkiness and such like.

/but, why male models?


Yeah, I was just farking with you man. ;)
 
2013-05-12 05:07:45 PM

Popcorn Johnny: coeyagi: You live in a gated community and/or work in a setting that only plays FoxNews, don't you princess?

You refuse to blame people for their actions, don't you? You'd probably apologize to a gang banger if they car jacked you.


That's funny, I have you tagged as a rape apologist from a month ago or so, blaming the victim.
 
2013-05-12 05:08:02 PM

coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: I blame the 2nd Amendment.

I blame its proponents who think tyranny is a transgendered dinosaur.

Are you an opponent of the 2nd Amendment? Clearly you aren't a proponent, right?

There are obviously a lot of you anti-2nd Amendment types. Why don't you start a petition to repeal it?  Grow a pair.

Come on chimpkens, work that trollrage a little harder, bro.


Why don't you anti 2nd Amendment people try to repeal it or modify the uninfringed right to keep and bear arms language? It just seems kinda gay to go after the proponents of a constitutional right while not going after the right itself.
 
2013-05-12 05:08:09 PM

Fark It: What's the NYPD doing in New Orleans?


It was actually the LAPD... They thought it was a bunch of Christopher Dorners or little old asian women.
 
2013-05-12 05:08:23 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com "You can't call me flower! You are shutting down debate! I am going to shoot your mom!"
 
2013-05-12 05:08:33 PM
We should require all mothers and everyone attending parades to carry guns so they can shoot everyone everywhere. Because guns fix gun problems.
 
2013-05-12 05:08:50 PM
sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2013-05-12 05:09:03 PM

Nabb1: coeyagi: The only thing that stops a bad mother with a gun is a good mother with a gun. -Wayne Lapierre

I can guarantee you that was no NRA rally at Frenchman and N. Villere, but nice troll attempt.


Someone should really have an intervention with you to discuss your frightening lack of understanding at the concept of trolling.

Would a troll put something out there so ridiculously untrue (in this case, an obviously false quote from Lapierre) where no one (except mongoloids, hint hint) would actually think I was serious?
 
2013-05-12 05:09:03 PM

Mugato: super_grass: More people will be killed by alcohol this weekend but we have the luxury of not listening to the MADD neo-prohibitionists derp about bottle size restrictions and limits on liquor proofs. Now the gun-control people are repeating the same thing and we're all quite tired of them.

Isn't there a screening of Red Dawn you could be masturbating to?


I'm not even that pro-gun, but this is just sad.

Instead of engaging in ANY exchange of ideas, people like you just jump into a thread, call names, and summarily dismiss any opposition as lunatics.

And you wonder why NRA and friends keep whopping your asses in the court system and legislature after the news cycle ends. You'll get your smug self-satisfaction, I have no doubt about that, but I'm glad to say that people like yourself will never get laws your way in the long term.
 
2013-05-12 05:09:25 PM
Legendary New Orleans entertainer Ernie K-Doe, who once referred to his mother-in-law as "the worst person I know", is not considered a suspect due to his death in 2001.


ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-05-12 05:09:46 PM
Popcorn Johnny is a dink. He was just whining about Detroit vs Anaheim playing at 7 pm west coast time becuse he isnt old enough to stay up past 10 on sunday nights.
 
2013-05-12 05:09:58 PM

Mrtraveler01: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: BalugaJoe: normal day in Chicago.

I wonder what the common denominator between New Orleans and Chicago gun violence is... Huh, can't think of anything. Oh, except guns. Lets definitely focus on the guns.

Poverty?


If you mean the extreme moral poverty of a particular subculture, then yes.
 
2013-05-12 05:10:04 PM

coeyagi: Obviously, the solution is to do nothing then.


You accidentally mistyped and said something incredibly stupid that injects context to my statement that fits your preconceptions of what my statement was intended to mean, instead of taking the statement at face value.

I assume it was just a typo, and that you're not actually an idiot.

//Just kidding. I assume no such thing.
 
2013-05-12 05:10:06 PM

ontariolightning: not free money but tax payer funded healthcare.


So gang bangers are just mad about not getting a yearly physical?
 
2013-05-12 05:10:16 PM

Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: I blame the 2nd Amendment.

I blame its proponents who think tyranny is a transgendered dinosaur.

Are you an opponent of the 2nd Amendment? Clearly you aren't a proponent, right?

There are obviously a lot of you anti-2nd Amendment types. Why don't you start a petition to repeal it?  Grow a pair.

Come on chimpkens, work that trollrage a little harder, bro.

Why don't you anti 2nd Amendment people try to repeal it or modify the uninfringed right to keep and bear arms language? It just seems kinda gay to go after the proponents of a constitutional right while not going after the right itself.


Gun lover likes to use "gay" as an insult. What a shock. Keep livin' that stereotype. XD
 
2013-05-12 05:10:17 PM

Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: I blame the 2nd Amendment.

I blame its proponents who think tyranny is a transgendered dinosaur.

Are you an opponent of the 2nd Amendment? Clearly you aren't a proponent, right?

There are obviously a lot of you anti-2nd Amendment types. Why don't you start a petition to repeal it?  Grow a pair.

Come on chimpkens, work that trollrage a little harder, bro.

Why don't you anti 2nd Amendment people try to repeal it or modify the uninfringed right to keep and bear arms language? It just seems kinda gay to go after the proponents of a constitutional right while not going after the right itself.


Not really. If you have a greater than 3rd grade education, you can interpret the 2nd amendment like I do which is to mean it can be regulated, which is what we are discussing.
 
2013-05-12 05:10:24 PM

super_grass: Mugato: super_grass: More people will be killed by alcohol this weekend but we have the luxury of not listening to the MADD neo-prohibitionists derp about bottle size restrictions and limits on liquor proofs. Now the gun-control people are repeating the same thing and we're all quite tired of them.

Isn't there a screening of Red Dawn you could be masturbating to?

I'm not even that pro-gun, but this is just sad.

Instead of engaging in ANY exchange of ideas, people like you just jump into a thread, call names, and summarily dismiss any opposition as lunatics.

And you wonder why NRA and friends keep whopping your asses in the court system and legislature after the news cycle ends. You'll get your smug self-satisfaction, I have no doubt about that, but I'm glad to say that people like yourself will never get laws your way in the long term.


And one day we will make it illegal for people to call us flowers.
 
2013-05-12 05:11:02 PM

ontariolightning: Popcorn Johnny is a dink. He was just whining about Detroit vs Anaheim playing at 7 pm west coast time becuse he isnt old enough to stay up past 10 on sunday nights.


LOL go away Laffs fan.
 
2013-05-12 05:11:36 PM
Mental health problems and gang problems are the same thing, you need to be insane to join a gang.
So it's still a mental health problem, the firearms are a part of the equation when there are mass shootings but the primary cause is crazy people thinking it's ok to kill strangers.
I'm not saying we need more or less guns, but it's easy to see we need less crazy people that think it's ok to kill strangers, so maybe it'd be ok if we sent them all to Asheville, NC, I'm sure the happy and loving vibes there would heal them all.
 
2013-05-12 05:11:47 PM

IlGreven: [sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net image 480x655]


i.crackedcdn.com

But you say that's BEFORE Obama got elected! How dare you mislead me, RIght!

Nope. Gun-related killings dropped below 6,000 in 2011. 6000 people in a country of 311 Million people.

But please, tell me how it's JUST a gun problem.
 
2013-05-12 05:12:03 PM

t3knomanser: coeyagi: Obviously, the solution is to do nothing then.

You accidentally mistyped and said something incredibly stupid that injects context to my statement that fits your preconceptions of what my statement was intended to mean, instead of taking the statement at face value.

I assume it was just a typo, and that you're not actually an idiot.

//Just kidding. I assume no such thing.


It's also funny that you didn't post the previous comments for fear that I could ass rape your logic had my comments not been reposted without the slightest bit of context, but since you're that dishonest, I won't go bother to find what you wrote.
 
2013-05-12 05:12:14 PM
Stuff a big old sock in it you gun shooting morons!!!
 
2013-05-12 05:12:24 PM

Bith Set Me Up: [tng.trekcore.com image 694x530]

Seriously, I'm sick of all these mass shootings.

/Fark you, Wayne Lapierre.



4,000 gun deaths in America since Sandy Hook. Thousands more wounded.

Wayne Lapierre has had a perpetual erection for the last 5 months.
 
2013-05-12 05:12:38 PM
Slow the thread down. I need to make some more popcorn!
d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net
 
2013-05-12 05:12:39 PM

Popcorn Johnny: ontariolightning: Popcorn Johnny is a dink. He was just whining about Detroit vs Anaheim playing at 7 pm west coast time becuse he isnt old enough to stay up past 10 on sunday nights.

LOL go away Laffs fan.


I'd jersey you and pop you like a kernel in the microwave but i have a date with the toilet right now. Rain cheque?
 
2013-05-12 05:12:52 PM

Popcorn Johnny: ontariolightning: not free money but tax payer funded healthcare.

So gang bangers are just mad about not getting a yearly physical?


I miss when white people had gangs. They were more like sports leagues, what with names like the Sharks and the Jets. Worst thing you had to worry about with white people gangs was them breaking out into dance and song and blocking the alleyway for a few minutes.
 
2013-05-12 05:12:54 PM

YoOjo: Mental health problems and gang problems are the same thing, you need to be insane to join a gang.


Hardly. You just have to be an impressionable teenager raised in a culture of quick money and violent glory, and feel alienated and like you need a "crew" to run with.
 
2013-05-12 05:13:17 PM

Popcorn Johnny: ontariolightning: not free money but tax payer funded healthcare.

So gang bangers are just mad about not getting a yearly physical?


something something Arab national something
 
2013-05-12 05:13:25 PM
I like how the gun nutters are downvoting this thread because it doesn't fit their narrative.
 
2013-05-12 05:13:53 PM
White trash preemptively hating black people because of forthcoming ammo shortages once gun control debate heats up again. News at 11.
 
2013-05-12 05:13:59 PM
New plan: since NRA'ers always want to stress "root causes," every time there's a mass shooting, we raise taxes on millionaires to better fund social welfare programs.

Y'all are cool with that, right?
 
2013-05-12 05:14:17 PM
Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.
 
2013-05-12 05:15:04 PM

you are a puppet: super_grass: Mugato: super_grass: More people will be killed by alcohol this weekend but we have the luxury of not listening to the MADD neo-prohibitionists derp about bottle size restrictions and limits on liquor proofs. Now the gun-control people are repeating the same thing and we're all quite tired of them.

Isn't there a screening of Red Dawn you could be masturbating to?

I'm not even that pro-gun, but this is just sad.

Instead of engaging in ANY exchange of ideas, people like you just jump into a thread, call names, and summarily dismiss any opposition as lunatics.

And you wonder why NRA and friends keep whopping your asses in the court system and legislature after the news cycle ends. You'll get your smug self-satisfaction, I have no doubt about that, but I'm glad to say that people like yourself will never get laws your way in the long term.

And one day we will make it illegal for people to call us flowers.


Is this some kind of troll or something? Are you being dense on purpose? Your side is not going to win unless you have something more substantial than non-sequitors and mockery.

Pic related it's how effective you are:

www.people-press.org
I guess the delicate gun-owning flowers are why you are not a winner.
 
2013-05-12 05:15:25 PM

EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.


You have amazingly low expectations.
 
2013-05-12 05:15:32 PM

Slappajo: Not that any other areas in the US are segregated. They just call it something different in those areas. I think the term is "low-income housing."


Funny thing about Chicago, the low income housing you're so derisive of, actually hasn't had much crime among it's occupants. Back in the day the crime at the Cabrini Green or Robert Taylor Homes housing projects was overwhelmingly the acts of people who didn't live there. Indeed the neighborhoods with the highest crime rates back in the late 80s/early 90s and today, and today it's different neighborhoods from back then, don't have much in the way of housing projects or such.
 
2013-05-12 05:15:38 PM

hardinparamedic: YoOjo: Mental health problems and gang problems are the same thing, you need to be insane to join a gang.

Hardly. You just have to be an impressionable teenager raised in a culture of quick money and violent glory, and feel alienated and like you need a "crew" to run with.


When you grow up without a prominent father figure, it's natural for you to seek some type of acceptance and validation through another means. For urban youths, gangs often fill this void.

But let's not talk about how to go about getting black fathers to stick around and raise their kids. That's racist.
 
2013-05-12 05:15:40 PM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: New plan: since NRA'ers always want to stress "root causes," every time there's a mass shooting, we raise taxes on millionaires to better fund social welfare programs.

Y'all are cool with that, right?


NO! PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!  BOOTSTRAPS! DON'T TREAD ON ME!  HIGHEST FORM OF DISSENT IS PATRIOTIC! -INFROMED CITIZENS
 
ows
2013-05-12 05:15:58 PM

iq_in_binary: Watch how fast it gets buried if it turns out to be gang related.

Will Fox, MSNBC and CNN be covering this in a few hours? Will there be non-stop coverage for the next 3 days?

I'm guessing no. Nobody cares unless it's white people.


"little Becky Gunderson is missing......"
........awwwwww

wait, that's Becky Gutierez
.......oh
 
2013-05-12 05:16:21 PM

EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.


Local reports seem to indicate one gang member shooting at another in a crowd and hitting just about everyone else but the guy he wanted to shoot. But, hey, political circle jerk.
 
2013-05-12 05:16:27 PM
Quick, what color of the victims, so I know how to feel, outraged, hurt or self-assured in my own superiority!
 
2013-05-12 05:17:01 PM

Nabb1: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.

Local reports seem to indicate one gang member shooting at another in a crowd and hitting just about everyone else but the guy he wanted to shoot. But, hey, political circle jerk.


Don't worry, your status quo of thousands dead per year will be maintained.  The NRA has bought everyone up, fear not, patriot.
 
2013-05-12 05:17:03 PM

EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.


When I saw where it happened that's what I thought.

I know some people from there.
 
2013-05-12 05:17:27 PM

YoOjo: Mental health problems and gang problems are the same thing, you need to be insane to join a gang.


Most gang members would rather not be in a gang, but when you lack any sort of social structure that provides for you, you go with what you've got
 
2013-05-12 05:17:40 PM
Blah.
 
2013-05-12 05:17:40 PM
Worst. Mother's Day. Ever. -_-
 
ows
2013-05-12 05:17:59 PM
what the hell is a second line? is that where they walk all funny like? and then people start getting shot?
 
2013-05-12 05:18:18 PM

Nabb1: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.

Local reports seem to indicate one gang member shooting at another in a crowd and hitting just about everyone else but the guy he wanted to shoot. But, hey, political circle jerk.


Gun control advocates remain hopeful that some of the injured will eventually die.
 
2013-05-12 05:18:41 PM
More tax incentives to bring production companies to New Orleans in wake of horrific violence and lost tourism.  F*ck, more Anne Rice novels to be adapted.  MOAR VAMPIRES!
 
2013-05-12 05:19:08 PM

hardinparamedic: YoOjo: Mental health problems and gang problems are the same thing, you need to be insane to join a gang.

Hardly. You just have to be an impressionable teenager raised in a culture of quick money and violent glory, and feel alienated and like you need a "crew" to run with.


No, I stand by my (bold) statement, the environmental factors you list are all valid but I am sure a study of gang members would result in proof that 100/100 are batshiat crazy lunatic nutjob screwballs.
I can tell, I'm an expert.
 
2013-05-12 05:19:21 PM

dfenstrate: Mrtraveler01: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: BalugaJoe: normal day in Chicago.

I wonder what the common denominator between New Orleans and Chicago gun violence is... Huh, can't think of anything. Oh, except guns. Lets definitely focus on the guns.

Poverty?

If you mean the extreme moral poverty of a particular subculture, then yes.


Go on...
 
2013-05-12 05:19:25 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: When you grow up without a prominent father figure, it's natural for you to seek some type of acceptance and validation through another means. For urban youths, gangs often fill this void.


Actually plenty of gang members have fathers that are present. So that's not really the issue either.
 
2013-05-12 05:19:39 PM

Dimensio: Nabb1: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.

Local reports seem to indicate one gang member shooting at another in a crowd and hitting just about everyone else but the guy he wanted to shoot. But, hey, political circle jerk.

Gun rights advocates remain hopeful that some of the injured will eventually die so the NRA can go on the defensive and drive gun sales.


FTFY
 
2013-05-12 05:20:01 PM
FTFA: The New Orleans coroner said no fatalities have been reported from the shooting.

So, are we to surmise then that the shooters were NOLA PD?

/I keed, I keed!
 
2013-05-12 05:20:12 PM

ows: what the hell is a second line? is that where they walk all funny like? and then people start getting shot?


I think it's a "stomp" type march, where they do lots of tribal-type banging on unconventional objects, like trash can lids and plastic tubs and what not. I'm pretty sure this is the primary means of conflict resolution at these events.
 
2013-05-12 05:20:27 PM

YoOjo: No, I stand by my (bold) statement, the environmental factors you list are all valid but I am sure a study of gang members would result in proof that 100/100 are batshiat crazy lunatic nutjob screwballs.
I can tell, I'm an expert.


Blood out or booty out?
 
2013-05-12 05:20:29 PM

coeyagi: Nabb1: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.

Local reports seem to indicate one gang member shooting at another in a crowd and hitting just about everyone else but the guy he wanted to shoot. But, hey, political circle jerk.

Don't worry, your status quo of thousands dead per year will be maintained.  The NRA has bought everyone up, fear not, patriot.


I'm sure that if the Senate's background check bill had passed, gun violence in New Orleans would be drastically reduced, especially considering that all licensed gun dealers in Louisiana already do them.
 
2013-05-12 05:21:32 PM

Nabb1: coeyagi: Nabb1: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.

Local reports seem to indicate one gang member shooting at another in a crowd and hitting just about everyone else but the guy he wanted to shoot. But, hey, political circle jerk.

Don't worry, your status quo of thousands dead per year will be maintained.  The NRA has bought everyone up, fear not, patriot.

I'm sure that if the Senate's background check bill had passed, gun violence in New Orleans would be drastically reduced, especially considering that all licensed gun dealers in Louisiana already do them.


Facepalm.  Yes, if it doesn't solve EVERY crime, it isn't worth doing.  Mrs. Edelstein called, she wants to change your 4th grade civics grade from a C to an F.
 
2013-05-12 05:22:00 PM
I feel sooooo safe!
All I need is to buy me a gun and the feeling of safety will be orgasmic!
 
2013-05-12 05:22:21 PM

WhyteRaven74: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: When you grow up without a prominent father figure, it's natural for you to seek some type of acceptance and validation through another means. For urban youths, gangs often fill this void.

Actually plenty of gang members have fathers that are present. So that's not really the issue either.


Huh, well why do I know, I get all my information from network cop dramas.
 
2013-05-12 05:22:32 PM

hardinparamedic: YoOjo: No, I stand by my (bold) statement, the environmental factors you list are all valid but I am sure a study of gang members would result in proof that 100/100 are batshiat crazy lunatic nutjob screwballs.
I can tell, I'm an expert.

Blood out or booty out?


No idea what that means.
I'm an expert on olives, spray paint and stuff like that, not gangs.
Wish I hadn't said I was an expert now, didn't realize there'd be questions.
 
2013-05-12 05:22:47 PM

Nabb1: coeyagi: Nabb1: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.

Local reports seem to indicate one gang member shooting at another in a crowd and hitting just about everyone else but the guy he wanted to shoot. But, hey, political circle jerk.

Don't worry, your status quo of thousands dead per year will be maintained.  The NRA has bought everyone up, fear not, patriot.

I'm sure that if the Senate's background check bill had passed, gun violence in New Orleans would be drastically reduced, especially considering that all licensed gun dealers in Louisiana already do them.


But I'm sure it would have made it easier to identify the asshole buying Glocks in bulk and then selling them with a little premium across the state line to the guys who would pay extra to keep from having to do a background check though.
 
2013-05-12 05:23:17 PM
Mamma's gonna keep baby healthy and clean
Ooooh Babe Ooooh Babe Ooooh Babe
You'll always be a baby to me

Mother, did it need to be so high.
 
2013-05-12 05:24:08 PM

YoOjo: No idea what that means.
I'm an expert on olives, spray paint and stuff like that, not gangs.
Wish I hadn't said I was an expert now, didn't realize there'd be questions.


Ah, I shall explain.

Some gangs just let you walk away clean, as long as you don't get involved with the cops or with their affairs. Other gangs practice "blood out" which means when you want out, they either beat your ass within an inch of your life, or they kill you. And others, especially with females in them, will practice "booty out", which means everyone gets their turn raping your ass.
 
2013-05-12 05:24:19 PM
Guns don't kill people, but it sure farking helps.
 
2013-05-12 05:24:29 PM

coeyagi: Dimensio: Nabb1: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.

Local reports seem to indicate one gang member shooting at another in a crowd and hitting just about everyone else but the guy he wanted to shoot. But, hey, political circle jerk.

Gun rights advocates remain hopeful that some of the injured will eventually die so the NRA can go on the defensive and drive gun sales.

FTFY


That makes zero sense. If what you said was true then gun sales would jump after every local gangland drive-by.

Gun sales jumped after the shootings because suddenly politicians and news networks started talking about gun control. People decided to guy guns before it becomes harder/more expensive to do so.

It's the Streisand effect, not some NRA conspiracy.
 
2013-05-12 05:24:53 PM
All you folks asking what a "second line" is, I recommend watching Treme.

Damn good series so far.

Or, you could just wiki it...
 
2013-05-12 05:26:12 PM

coeyagi: It's also funny that you didn't post the previous comments for fear that I could ass rape your logic had my comments not been reposted without the slightest bit of context, but since you're that dishonest, I won't go bother to find what you wrote.


Oh, so you are an idiot then. My statement, in context, was simply that gun violence was at its lowest rate in twenty years. This is a fact. I used it to respond to the frequency of mass shootings, pointing out that it's ironic- despite being safer than many of us have ever been in our entire lives, we hear about more mass shootings than ever.

This is "ironic" in the traditional, not the "Alanis Morissette" sense.
 
2013-05-12 05:26:35 PM

coeyagi: t3knomanser: Belatryx: Oh FFS people. Can we just go one week without mass shootings?

Ironically, the frequency of gun violence is far lower than it was only two decades ago. Nobody  feels that way, but  it's true

Obviously, the solution is to do nothing then.  I am sure the thousands of dead people from gun crimes each year are resting easy in their graves knowing that fact.


I know, we should just pass a law that makes crimes illegal and then they won't happen anymore.
 
2013-05-12 05:26:41 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ows: what the hell is a second line? is that where they walk all funny like? and then people start getting shot?

I think it's a "stomp" type march, where they do lots of tribal-type banging on unconventional objects, like trash can lids and plastic tubs and what not. I'm pretty sure this is the primary means of conflict resolution at these events.


No, it isn't. A second line is an old term from jazz funeral processions. The first line leads the funeral and leads the walking procession. The casket then the mourners follow and the second line is at the end, but it plays upbeat celebratory music. Second line parades are pretty popular on holidays in some neighborhoods in New Orleans.
 
2013-05-12 05:27:24 PM

super_grass: you are a puppet: super_grass: Mugato: super_grass: More people will be killed by alcohol this weekend but we have the luxury of not listening to the MADD neo-prohibitionists derp about bottle size restrictions and limits on liquor proofs. Now the gun-control people are repeating the same thing and we're all quite tired of them.

Isn't there a screening of Red Dawn you could be masturbating to?

I'm not even that pro-gun, but this is just sad.

Instead of engaging in ANY exchange of ideas, people like you just jump into a thread, call names, and summarily dismiss any opposition as lunatics.

And you wonder why NRA and friends keep whopping your asses in the court system and legislature after the news cycle ends. You'll get your smug self-satisfaction, I have no doubt about that, but I'm glad to say that people like yourself will never get laws your way in the long term.

And one day we will make it illegal for people to call us flowers.

Is this some kind of troll or something? Are you being dense on purpose? Your side is not going to win unless you have something more substantial than non-sequitors and mockery.

Pic related it's how effective you are:

[www.people-press.org image 294x390]
I guess the delicate gun-owning flowers are why you are not a winner.


That's actually a chart showing how effective shootings are, it doesn't say anything as to how effective people saying "flower" are. I've never shot anyone, so it doesn't address my effectiveness at all, daisy.
 
2013-05-12 05:27:26 PM

super_grass: coeyagi: Dimensio: Nabb1: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.

Local reports seem to indicate one gang member shooting at another in a crowd and hitting just about everyone else but the guy he wanted to shoot. But, hey, political circle jerk.

Gun rights advocates remain hopeful that some of the injured will eventually die so the NRA can go on the defensive and drive gun sales.

FTFY

That makes zero sense. If what you said was true then gun sales would jump after every local gangland drive-by.

Gun sales jumped after the shootings because suddenly politicians and news networks started talking about gun control. People decided to guy guns before it becomes harder/more expensive to do so.

It's the Streisand effect, not some NRA conspiracy.


Oh dear lord.  Sure, you just keep believing that if the NRA isn't stoking the fire of fear in gun owners, that the guns and ammo will be flying off the shelves at the rate they've been.

Follow the money.

1) Tragedy.
2) Call for gun control.
3) NRA stokes fear.
4) People buy guns / ammo.
5) More money in gun manufacturers' pockets.
6) More money to go to the NRA from gun manufacturers.

I am not saying they would do this, but given that model, it would be in the best financial interest of everyone if the NRA just armed all the school children it could.  But I am SURE they haven't every suggested anything remotely similar to that before...
 
2013-05-12 05:27:39 PM
oh black people.....
 
2013-05-12 05:28:14 PM

The first thing I looked at: coeyagi: t3knomanser: Belatryx: Oh FFS people. Can we just go one week without mass shootings?

Ironically, the frequency of gun violence is far lower than it was only two decades ago. Nobody  feels that way, but  it's true

Obviously, the solution is to do nothing then.  I am sure the thousands of dead people from gun crimes each year are resting easy in their graves knowing that fact.

I know, we should just pass a law that makes crimes illegal and then they won't happen anymore.


Strawmanus Douchebagus.

1/10.
 
2013-05-12 05:28:23 PM

Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: I blame the 2nd Amendment.

I blame its proponents who think tyranny is a transgendered dinosaur.

Are you an opponent of the 2nd Amendment? Clearly you aren't a proponent, right?

There are obviously a lot of you anti-2nd Amendment types. Why don't you start a petition to repeal it?  Grow a pair.

Come on chimpkens, work that trollrage a little harder, bro.

Why don't you anti 2nd Amendment people try to repeal it or modify the uninfringed right to keep and bear arms language? It just seems kinda gay to go after the proponents of a constitutional right while not going after the right itself.


THE RIGHT IS THE ONLY right with a built in limitation! Why dont we just enforce the limitation,Noam Derpsky?

/The Supreme Court has ruled "the right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose"

//shove that up the ass of 2nd Amendment Deniers - those who think the 2nd Amendment means they can do anything...
///kinda like the right to happiness means we can self-administer any drug we want to achieve happiness, right?
///the slashies compel you to stop and think!
 
2013-05-12 05:28:47 PM

coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: I blame the 2nd Amendment.

I blame its proponents who think tyranny is a transgendered dinosaur.

Are you an opponent of the 2nd Amendment? Clearly you aren't a proponent, right?

There are obviously a lot of you anti-2nd Amendment types. Why don't you start a petition to repeal it?  Grow a pair.

Come on chimpkens, work that trollrage a little harder, bro.

Why don't you anti 2nd Amendment people try to repeal it or modify the uninfringed right to keep and bear arms language? It just seems kinda gay to go after the proponents of a constitutional right while not going after the right itself.

Not really. If you have a greater than 3rd grade education, you can interpret the 2nd amendment like I do which is to mean it can be regulated, which is what we are discussing.


How do you define "uninfringed"? Even your leftist scotus justices aren't gonna pretend "well-regulated militia" means you get to infringe on the people's right to keep and bear arms. "Well-regulated" means "formidable and dependable" and regards the commentary on the importance of the militia. The formidable and dependable militia is obsolete after we went to a standing army.

It might be your best argument for repealing the 2nd by showing that the founders felt the most important reason to give the people an uninfringed right to keep and bear arms was for militia purposes. However, it was not the only reason for the uninfringed right to keep and bear arms.

Don't hate on the proponents of the Bill of Rights if you are too cowardly to repeal the ones that offend you.
 
2013-05-12 05:29:04 PM

accelerus: oh black people.....


Dude... You can't just come out and say it
 
2013-05-12 05:29:18 PM
i1091.photobucket.com
This thread is going too fast slowdown people!!!!
 
2013-05-12 05:29:36 PM
Meh. Gangbangers doing what gangbangers do. Shooting wildly into a crowd like the ignorant farks they are. This why police should be allowed to cap gang members on site as they are a blight on the community.
 
2013-05-12 05:29:50 PM

hardinparamedic: IlGreven: [sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net image 480x655]



But you say that's BEFORE Obama got elected! How dare you mislead me, RIght!

Nope. Gun-related killings dropped below 6,000 in 2011. 6000 people in a country of 311 Million people.

But please, tell me how it's JUST a gun problem.


Do you just think that people aren't going to click on your links?

Guns were involved in 2/3 of the homicides in 2011. And that omits suicides and accidents.
 
2013-05-12 05:29:51 PM

Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: I blame the 2nd Amendment.

I blame its proponents who think tyranny is a transgendered dinosaur.

Are you an opponent of the 2nd Amendment? Clearly you aren't a proponent, right?

There are obviously a lot of you anti-2nd Amendment types. Why don't you start a petition to repeal it?  Grow a pair.

Come on chimpkens, work that trollrage a little harder, bro.

Why don't you anti 2nd Amendment people try to repeal it or modify the uninfringed right to keep and bear arms language? It just seems kinda gay to go after the proponents of a constitutional right while not going after the right itself.

Not really. If you have a greater than 3rd grade education, you can interpret the 2nd amendment like I do which is to mean it can be regulated, which is what we are discussing.

How do you define "uninfringed"? Even your leftist scotus justices aren't gonna pretend "well-regulated militia" means you get to infringe on the people's right to keep and bear arms. "Well-regulated" means "formidable and dependable" and regards the commentary on the importance of the militia. The formidable and dependable militia is obsolete after we went to a standing army.

It might be your best argument for repealing the 2nd by showing that the founders felt the most important reason to give the people an uninfringed right to keep and bear arms was for militia purposes. However, it was not the only reason for the uninfringed right to keep and bear arms.

Don't hate on the proponents of the Bill of Rights if you are too cowardly to repeal the ones that offend you.


I was unaware that I had the power to repeal an amendment.

Thanks for the lesson, chimp.
 
2013-05-12 05:32:11 PM

coeyagi: super_grass: coeyagi: Dimensio: Nabb1: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.

Local reports seem to indicate one gang member shooting at another in a crowd and hitting just about everyone else but the guy he wanted to shoot. But, hey, political circle jerk.

Gun rights advocates remain hopeful that some of the injured will eventually die so the NRA can go on the defensive and drive gun sales.

FTFY

That makes zero sense. If what you said was true then gun sales would jump after every local gangland drive-by.

Gun sales jumped after the shootings because suddenly politicians and news networks started talking about gun control. People decided to guy guns before it becomes harder/more expensive to do so.

It's the Streisand effect, not some NRA conspiracy.

Oh dear lord.  Sure, you just keep believing that if the NRA isn't stoking the fire of fear in gun owners, that the guns and ammo will be flying off the shelves at the rate they've been.

Follow the money.

1) Tragedy.
2) Call for gun control.
3) NRA stokes fear.
4) People buy guns / ammo.
5) More money in gun manufacturers' pockets.
6) More money to go to the NRA from gun manufacturers.

I am not saying they would do this, but given that model, it would be in the best financial interest of everyone if the NRA just armed all the school children it could.  But I am SURE they haven't every suggested anything remotely similar to that before...


That you think the NRA is funded by gun manufacturers shows just how little you know about the subject.

Now, I'm not saying that the whole fear stoking cycle doesn't exist--it is obvious that it does--but to say that it is some grand conspiracy on the part of gun manufacturers is wholly ignorant and just as desperately conspiratorial as the Alex Jones crowd tends to be.

The NRA is funded by dues, even the NRA-ILA's lobbying is funded almost entirely by member dues.
 
2013-05-12 05:32:30 PM
Updated story with interviews and more details

sad tag quote:  "Me and mom were going to the second line. I told her I didn't want to go because there are all always shots at a second line"
 
2013-05-12 05:33:15 PM

coeyagi: super_grass: coeyagi: Dimensio: Nabb1: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.

Local reports seem to indicate one gang member shooting at another in a crowd and hitting just about everyone else but the guy he wanted to shoot. But, hey, political circle jerk.

Gun rights advocates remain hopeful that some of the injured will eventually die so the NRA can go on the defensive and drive gun sales.

FTFY

That makes zero sense. If what you said was true then gun sales would jump after every local gangland drive-by.

Gun sales jumped after the shootings because suddenly politicians and news networks started talking about gun control. People decided to guy guns before it becomes harder/more expensive to do so.

It's the Streisand effect, not some NRA conspiracy.

Oh dear lord.  Sure, you just keep believing that if the NRA isn't stoking the fire of fear in gun owners, that the guns and ammo will be flying off the shelves at the rate they've been.

Follow the money.

1) Tragedy.
2) Call for gun control.
3) NRA stokes fear.
4) People buy guns / ammo.
5) More money in gun manufacturers' pockets.
6) More money to go to the NRA from gun manufacturers.

I am not saying they would do this, but given that model, it would be in the best financial interest of everyone if the NRA just armed all the school children it could.  But I am SURE they haven't every suggested anything remotely similar to that before...


 You also have to say that politicians have been exploiting this for all it's worth too. I've said it before but I swear sometimes they are all in it together. The media hype a shooting, policitians hype banning guns or more control., the NRA and others hype the "proposed" banning or more control, the public goes crazy buying stuff before it's banned...and then something else happens which starts the cycle all over again. Seriously gun control now is almost silly just with the amount of product that has been purchased in the last 10-15 years.
 
2013-05-12 05:33:18 PM

coeyagi: simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?

How many of your guns have the gun grabbers grabbed?


How many guns would a gun grabber grab if a gun grabber could grab guns?
 
2013-05-12 05:33:37 PM

whatshisname: my alt's alt's alt: There is a mental health treatment problem and an economic disparity problem in the United States. Gun related massacres are just a symptom.

I don't buy this spin that anyone who shoots someone is mentally ill. Are all armed robbers, rapist and any and all criminals in general mentally ill? No. It's just a diversionary tactic so you don't have to face the real problem of a gun culture out of control.


Do you not recognize that there's a huge difference between someone holding up a convenience store, and up to three? people spraying bullets into a crowd?

Stop this farking bus, I want off.
 
2013-05-12 05:34:19 PM

Tellingthem: I've said it before but I swear sometimes they are all in it together.


(Ah, the first warning signs of psychosis)

/said everything i want to say in my last post
//gotta go call my mother
 
2013-05-12 05:34:54 PM

birdmanesq: Guns were involved in 2/3 of the homicides in 2011. And that omits suicides and accidents.


The point called from Beijing, and said hi.  It's not just a gun problem. It's a complex, multifactorial issue. The idea that you can distill it down to a gun problem is an insane attempt at hiding your head in the dirt.

And the majority of those homicides involved drug and drug-related crimes, and were committed using semi-automatic handguns. Yet, somehow, blatantly banning all guns is going to solve the problems?

Let's not address the drug culture and problems with the laughable "War on Drugs".
Let's not address crippling poverty, lack of a single-payer healthcare system, or the failure of the system as it stands to care for mentally ill people.
Let's not address the fact there are reasonable measures that we can undertake to reduce gun violence, such as closing background loopholes.

But no. Let's ban the guns. That'll solve everything!
 
2013-05-12 05:35:21 PM

Swoop1809: Now is not the time to talk about gun control


fark off it's not.
 
2013-05-12 05:35:22 PM
Guess the race.
 
2013-05-12 05:35:33 PM
Sounds like a gang hit.

Carried out by people who aren't supposed to have guns and probably obtained them illegally, and wouldn't give them up if they were banned.
 
2013-05-12 05:36:09 PM

hardinparamedic: birdmanesq: Guns were involved in 2/3 of the homicides in 2011. And that omits suicides and accidents.

The point called from Beijing, and said hi.  It's not just a gun problem. It's a complex, multifactorial issue. The idea that you can distill it down to a gun problem is an insane attempt at hiding your head in the dirt.

And the majority of those homicides involved drug and drug-related crimes, and were committed using semi-automatic handguns. Yet, somehow, blatantly banning all guns is going to solve the problems?

Let's not address the drug culture and problems with the laughable "War on Drugs".
Let's not address crippling poverty, lack of a single-payer healthcare system, or the failure of the system as it stands to care for mentally ill people.
Let's not address the fact there are reasonable measures that we can undertake to reduce gun violence, such as closing background loopholes.

But no. Let's ban the guns. That'll solve everything!


Whoa, there are people trying to ban all the guns? And blatantly even?
 
2013-05-12 05:36:11 PM

CruJones: Prank Call of Cthulhu: What's a "second-line parade"?

A pretty awesome event in New Orleans, where people get all dressed up and the full brass band parades around with people dancing and following along.   There is no occasion inappropriate for a second line, from a funeral to a wedding.


And the problem is that my wife would really like to see one and, at this point, I'm thinking New Orleans is too dangerous to visit.
 
2013-05-12 05:36:26 PM

Kinetocracy: Guess the race.


It was a parade.
 
2013-05-12 05:36:38 PM
Gun sales go up when people are under the impression that they might not be able to get or afford one soon. Anti-2nd people are the ones who drive that perception with what they say and do. This is not a surprise to anyone who looks at it objectively.
 
2013-05-12 05:36:58 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: What's a "second-line parade"?


A place where people exercise their second amendment rights, apparently.
 
2013-05-12 05:36:59 PM

LookForTheArrow: Tellingthem: I've said it before but I swear sometimes they are all in it together.

(Ah, the first warning signs of psychosis)

/said everything i want to say in my last post
//gotta go call my mother


Oh i've had the warning signs well before this haha. And I'm not really serious about some grand conspiracy. But just like these threads it all seems to follow the same pattern
 
2013-05-12 05:37:11 PM

hardinparamedic: birdmanesq: Guns were involved in 2/3 of the homicides in 2011. And that omits suicides and accidents.

The point called from Beijing, and said hi.  It's not just a gun problem. It's a complex, multifactorial issue. The idea that you can distill it down to a gun problem is an insane attempt at hiding your head in the dirt.

And the majority of those homicides involved drug and drug-related crimes, and were committed using semi-automatic handguns. Yet, somehow, blatantly banning all guns is going to solve the problems?

Let's not address the drug culture and problems with the laughable "War on Drugs".
Let's not address crippling poverty, lack of a single-payer healthcare system, or the failure of the system as it stands to care for mentally ill people.
Let's not address the fact there are reasonable measures that we can undertake to reduce gun violence, such as closing background loopholes.

But no. Let's ban the guns. That'll solve everything!


YOURE THE ONE SUGGESTING WE BAN GUNS. SMART PEOPLE ARE SUGGESTING WE CONTROL THEM, JERKFACE

/damn i thought i had nothing left to say
 
2013-05-12 05:37:12 PM

Marine1: Sounds like a gang hit.

Carried out by people who aren't supposed to have guns and probably obtained them illegally, and wouldn't give them up if they were banned.


The sad thing is that while banning guns wouldn't have prevented a banger hit, that reasonable enforcement and enhancement of measures that could identify the straw buyers of weapons intended to be sold on the streets could have limited access for bangers.

Hint: They're not getting those glocks from south of the border.
 
2013-05-12 05:37:19 PM
As a Canadian, my opinion in this counts for nothing, but seriously America: fark the second amendment. Change it, vote it out, smash it down. It's meaningless, divisive, and hurting you as a nation. Get over this gun fetish, you'll be so much stronger as a nation without it.
 
2013-05-12 05:37:27 PM
It's New Orleans.  Is this unusual for New Orleans, or is it just that it happened during a parade?  I thought that city had a terrible crime problem.
 
2013-05-12 05:38:11 PM

coco ebert: Fark It: Quantum Apostrophe: The USA is a factory for making people mentally ill and arming them.

I guarantee this was gang (and therefore drug-war) related.

A lot of recent shootings in NOLA have found to not be gang-related. Unfortunately, they've been committed by youngsters just out to create havoc. There's structural violence there and the reasoning behind such crimes is not always easy to discern.



It's discernable, all right. You are just not supposed to talk about it.
 
2013-05-12 05:38:35 PM
On a positive note, hurricane season will be starting soon.
 
2013-05-12 05:38:41 PM

LookForTheArrow: YOURE THE ONE SUGGESTING WE BAN GUNS. SMART PEOPLE ARE SUGGESTING WE CONTROL THEM, JERKFACE


you are a puppet: Whoa, there are people trying to ban all the guns? And blatantly even?


You haven't been on FARK in the past several weeks, have you?

People like  ontariolightning are just as bad as people who act like anyone talking regulation means Obummer is gonna march in and jackboot their throats while they take their guns.
 
2013-05-12 05:38:49 PM

Hebalo: As a Canadian, my opinion in this counts for nothing, but seriously America: fark the second amendment. Change it, vote it out, smash it down. It's meaningless, divisive, and hurting you as a nation. Get over this gun fetish, you'll be so much stronger as a nation without it.


shut up you filthy socialist.
 
2013-05-12 05:38:51 PM

hardinparamedic: Marine1: Sounds like a gang hit.

Carried out by people who aren't supposed to have guns and probably obtained them illegally, and wouldn't give them up if they were banned.

The sad thing is that while banning guns wouldn't have prevented a banger hit, that reasonable enforcement and enhancement of measures that could identify the straw buyers of weapons intended to be sold on the streets could have limited access for bangers.

Hint: They're not getting those glocks from south of the border.


Problem is, they don't even buy them. They break into gun stores and homes and take them. There's a reason most gun stores have bars on the windows and resemble fortresses.
 
2013-05-12 05:38:54 PM

IlGreven: [sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net image 480x655]


It did turn out that the Tsarnaev brothers didn't actually shoot anyone, the police shot each other. We need to keep the guns away from police and give them nightsticks like the British.
Calling them Bobbies would be knickers as well.
 
2013-05-12 05:39:28 PM

hardinparamedic: birdmanesq: Guns were involved in 2/3 of the homicides in 2011. And that omits suicides and accidents.

The point called from Beijing, and said hi.  It's not just a gun problem. It's a complex, multifactorial issue. The idea that you can distill it down to a gun problem is an insane attempt at hiding your head in the dirt.

And the majority of those homicides involved drug and drug-related crimes, and were committed using semi-automatic handguns. Yet, somehow, blatantly banning all guns is going to solve the problems?

Let's not address the drug culture and problems with the laughable "War on Drugs".
Let's not address crippling poverty, lack of a single-payer healthcare system, or the failure of the system as it stands to care for mentally ill people.
Let's not address the fact there are reasonable measures that we can undertake to reduce gun violence, such as closing background loopholes.

But no. Let's ban the guns. That'll solve everything!


It's a complex, multifactorial issue that could be halted significantly with tightened gun laws. But no, you retards are too stupid to see that. Despite the fact that it's worked elsewhere.
 
2013-05-12 05:39:30 PM

hardinparamedic: But no. Let's ban the guns. That'll solve everything!


You're being part of the problem. No one is trying to ban all guns, but by screaming about how that's what people want to do you're using your own pants pissing fear of the world to be as much a part of the problem as an AR-15.

Radioactive Ass: This is not a surprise to anyone who looks at it objectively.


Supporting background checks and the like isn't being opposed to the second amendment. There are gun dealers who support all sorts of stuff the NRA would have a coronary over, yet one can't say they're opposed to the second amendment.
 
2013-05-12 05:39:48 PM
 I hate to comment flippantly about something so awful, but Hey! That's why we're on Fark!

Since we aren't going to disarm America, and this is likely to turn out to be two rival groups shooting at each other, not at the parade, maybe we should look at more shooting courses. Don't mean to be a dick, but, hit your target people.

The Geuga County Shooter a few days ago. No collateral damage. The grouping on the squad car was phenomenal. He was moving while firing and had two distinct groupings, both pretty tight given he was under fire as well. http://www.wkyc.com/images/300/169/2/assetpool/images/130503045626_Mi d dlefield%20cruiser.jpg
 
2013-05-12 05:40:17 PM

hardinparamedic: LookForTheArrow: YOURE THE ONE SUGGESTING WE BAN GUNS. SMART PEOPLE ARE SUGGESTING WE CONTROL THEM, JERKFACE

you are a puppet: Whoa, there are people trying to ban all the guns? And blatantly even?

You haven't been on FARK in the past several weeks, have you?

People like  ontariolightning are just as bad as people who act like anyone talking regulation means Obummer is gonna march in and jackboot their throats while they take their guns.


i'm bad? Bad to the bone. B b b badd. Bad to the bone. Don't forgetabootiteitherjack
 
2013-05-12 05:40:23 PM

Marine1: Problem is, they don't even buy them. They break into gun stores and homes and take them. There's a reason most gun stores have bars on the windows and resemble fortresses.


Not true in all cases. Someone will straw buy them in bulk from shows and from gunshops, and then sell them at a mildly increased premium to the discerning banger on the go.
 
2013-05-12 05:40:29 PM

coeyagi: The first thing I looked at: coeyagi: t3knomanser: Belatryx: Oh FFS people. Can we just go one week without mass shootings?

Ironically, the frequency of gun violence is far lower than it was only two decades ago. Nobody  feels that way, but  it's true

Obviously, the solution is to do nothing then.  I am sure the thousands of dead people from gun crimes each year are resting easy in their graves knowing that fact.

I know, we should just pass a law that makes crimes illegal and then they won't happen anymore.

Strawmanus Douchebagus.

1/10.


What an enlightening reply. I suppose you didn't have any real response to that though, so just go with insults again. Its how normal people can tell you shouldn't be taken seriously.
 
2013-05-12 05:40:29 PM

Nabb1: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.

Local reports seem to indicate one gang member shooting at another in a crowd and hitting just about everyone else but the guy he wanted to shoot. But, hey, political circle jerk.


The NRA should sponsor pistol marksmanship programs in gang-heavy areas.

These kids need to take more pride in their work.
 
2013-05-12 05:40:30 PM
Motherfarker...
 
2013-05-12 05:40:57 PM

Lsherm: It's New Orleans. Is this unusual for New Orleans, or is it just that it happened during a parade? I thought that city had a terrible crime problem.


12 people being shot in one incident is unusual for anywhere in the US. Even in South Central LA in the late 80s and early 90s it would've been extremely unusual.
 
2013-05-12 05:41:24 PM
Another gun thread.

DRINK
 
2013-05-12 05:41:35 PM

shiattynick: It did turn out that the Tsarnaev brothers didn't actually shoot anyone


The one MIT cop was shot and killed  in his car by one of them.
 
2013-05-12 05:42:24 PM
Seen running away form the scene:

img2u.info

...at least that's what Reddit users believe, and CNN is reporting.
 
2013-05-12 05:42:28 PM

Iplaybass: hardinparamedic: birdmanesq: Guns were involved in 2/3 of the homicides in 2011. And that omits suicides and accidents.

The point called from Beijing, and said hi.  It's not just a gun problem. It's a complex, multifactorial issue. The idea that you can distill it down to a gun problem is an insane attempt at hiding your head in the dirt.

And the majority of those homicides involved drug and drug-related crimes, and were committed using semi-automatic handguns. Yet, somehow, blatantly banning all guns is going to solve the problems?

Let's not address the drug culture and problems with the laughable "War on Drugs".
Let's not address crippling poverty, lack of a single-payer healthcare system, or the failure of the system as it stands to care for mentally ill people.
Let's not address the fact there are reasonable measures that we can undertake to reduce gun violence, such as closing background loopholes.

But no. Let's ban the guns. That'll solve everything!

It's a complex, multifactorial issue that could be halted significantly with tightened gun laws. But no, you retards are too stupid to see that. Despite the fact that it's worked elsewhere.


No it hasn't. Nobody has successfully tried to reign in a pool of 250-300 million firearms in the hands of just as many people.

But keep pretending it isn't a pipe dream despite the mountains of evidence that say otherwise.
 
2013-05-12 05:42:51 PM

WTFDYW: Another gun thread.

DRINK


merica must haz a drinking binge problem i gather?
 
2013-05-12 05:42:54 PM

Iplaybass: t's a complex, multifactorial issue that could be halted significantly with tightened gun laws. But no, you retards are too stupid to see that. Despite the fact that it's worked elsewhere.


WhyteRaven74: You're being part of the problem. No one is trying to ban all guns, but by screaming about how that's what people want to do you're using your own pants pissing fear of the world to be as much a part of the problem as an AR-15.


Uh, Hi. You know how I know you haven't been reading what I type.

I refer to people like this:

Hebalo: As a Canadian, my opinion in this counts for nothing, but seriously America: fark the second amendment. Change it, vote it out, smash it down. It's meaningless, divisive, and hurting you as a nation. Get over this gun fetish, you'll be so much stronger as a nation without it.


I'm actually on your side, you dumb farks. But you can't see that through your whargarbl.

I don't think anyone is going to ban guns, in the least. It's an unattainable goal. Period. However, it's just as damaging to those people who  want strengthening to gun laws to have those people speak for them as it is for the idiots who think obummer is going to take their guns.
 
2013-05-12 05:43:12 PM

LookForTheArrow: Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: I blame the 2nd Amendment.

I blame its proponents who think tyranny is a transgendered dinosaur.

Are you an opponent of the 2nd Amendment? Clearly you aren't a proponent, right?

There are obviously a lot of you anti-2nd Amendment types. Why don't you start a petition to repeal it?  Grow a pair.

Come on chimpkens, work that trollrage a little harder, bro.

Why don't you anti 2nd Amendment people try to repeal it or modify the uninfringed right to keep and bear arms language? It just seems kinda gay to go after the proponents of a constitutional right while not going after the right itself.

THE RIGHT IS THE ONLY right with a built in limitation! Why dont we just enforce the limitation,Noam Derpsky?

/The Supreme Court has ruled "the right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose"

//shove that up the ass of 2nd Amendment Deniers - those who think the 2nd Amendment means they can do anything...
///kinda like the right to happiness means we can self-administer any drug we want to achieve happiness, right?
///the slashies compel you to stop and think!


 the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 
2013-05-12 05:43:27 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: hardinparamedic: YoOjo: Mental health problems and gang problems are the same thing, you need to be insane to join a gang.

Hardly. You just have to be an impressionable teenager raised in a culture of quick money and violent glory, and feel alienated and like you need a "crew" to run with.

When you grow up without a prominent father figure, it's natural for you to seek some type of acceptance and validation through another means. For urban youths, gangs often fill this void.

But let's not talk about how to go about getting black fathers to stick around and raise their kids. That's racist.


Ah.  All gangs are black and no black fathers stick around.  Got it.  I'll just go tell MS-13 (can't tell me Mexicans aren't all about family), the Triads, the Mafia, the neo-nazis and white supremacist gangs, and the black Irish gangs.  Since most of their cultures place a heavy emphasis on family and parental responsibility, I'm sure they'll all be delighted to find out that their gangs don't exist.


Let me explain to you how gangs actually work-

Gang leader:  Hey kid, you live on 8th St.  Wanna join the 8th Street Crips?
Kid:  No thanks.
Gang leader:  Ookie dokie then.  *shoots kid in face or worse*


Being in a gang has nothing to do with looking for a father figure.  It has everything to do with trying to survive in a world with such severe income disparity that you are forced to cast aside any semblance of human empathy and become a sociopath just so that you can live another day.

Our policies of selfishness and our apathetic and unsympathetic attitudes toward our brothers and sisters turn our brothers and sisters into violent animals.
 
2013-05-12 05:43:34 PM
NOLA farker dickfreckle, where y'at!?
 
2013-05-12 05:43:46 PM

Hebalo: but seriously America: fark the second amendment.


But it was expressly written to ensure that the people could be armed with the same muskets that the Government has, so that they can one day rise up against the Government in the event that they get out of hand and do outrageous things like elect a black President.
 
2013-05-12 05:43:53 PM

Hebalo: As a Canadian, my opinion in this counts for nothing, but seriously America: fark the second amendment. Change it, vote it out, smash it down. It's meaningless, divisive, and hurting you as a nation. Get over this gun fetish, you'll be so much stronger as a nation without it.


You're completely right, Hebalo.

It does mean nothing.

Gun violence like this rarely has to do purely with firearm ownership or ubiquity; it has more to do with either A) mental health problems or B) engrained social problems that stem back decades from conditions that rarely existed outside of the US (poor immigrants, racism, etc.).

There are places in the US where firearms ownership is through the roof and very little gun violence occurs. Then, you have urban neighborhoods where legal firearm ownership is often low, but gun violence is a common occurrence. Seems like it's a little more complex than "blame the gun".
 
2013-05-12 05:44:15 PM

iq_in_binary: No it hasn't. Nobody has successfully tried to reign in a pool of 250-300 million firearms in the hands of just as many people.

But keep pretending it isn't a pipe dream despite the mountains of evidence that say otherwise.


In addition to the fact that even the mention of a ban is enough to get you laughed out of any political establishment. It's an unrealistic goal, and a poisoning-the-well scenario for anyone interested in legitimate strengthening and enforcement of gun laws to reduce violence.
 
2013-05-12 05:44:15 PM

Marine1: hardinparamedic: Marine1: Sounds like a gang hit.

Carried out by people who aren't supposed to have guns and probably obtained them illegally, and wouldn't give them up if they were banned.

The sad thing is that while banning guns wouldn't have prevented a banger hit, that reasonable enforcement and enhancement of measures that could identify the straw buyers of weapons intended to be sold on the streets could have limited access for bangers.

Hint: They're not getting those glocks from south of the border.

Problem is, they don't even buy them. They break into gun stores and homes and take them. There's a reason most gun stores have bars on the windows and resemble fortresses.


That is not true. While a small amount of guns in the hands of criminals come from stealing them, the grand majority are obtained threw straw purchases. There was a study from Chicago that said that something like 70% of the guns used in murders in the city one year were all traced to one suburban gun store.
 
2013-05-12 05:45:08 PM

hardinparamedic: LookForTheArrow: YOURE THE ONE SUGGESTING WE BAN GUNS. SMART PEOPLE ARE SUGGESTING WE CONTROL THEM, JERKFACE

you are a puppet: Whoa, there are people trying to ban all the guns? And blatantly even?

You haven't been on FARK in the past several weeks, have you?

People like  ontariolightning are just as bad as people who act like anyone talking regulation means Obummer is gonna march in and jackboot their throats while they take their guns.


I've been on almost every day. So a guy named ontariolightning is trying to ban all the guns? Sounds like a Canadian. Any Americans? Any politicians or political groups trying to blatantly ban all the guns, anyone of note, any proposed legislation to ban all the guns, or just a Canadian guy on the internet?
 
2013-05-12 05:45:27 PM
If less people had guns then less people would be accidentally killed by them.. no yes yes no no yes? No? Yes?
 
2013-05-12 05:46:46 PM

ongbok: That is not true. While a small amount of guns in the hands of criminals come from stealing them, the grand majority are obtained threw straw purchases. There was a study from Chicago that said that something like 70% of the guns used in murders in the city one year were all traced to one suburban gun store.


This.

These people buy in bulk at gun shows, and from reputable gun shops who are too naive or too stupid to catch the fact that the guy who bought 20 glocks in one setting MIGHT have an ulterior motive. They then carry these weapons down to Johnny Banger and sell them at a slightly increased premium.

They're not getting them from breaking into gun stores. The bangers in Memphis are quite well armed, and we don't have gunshops being broke into.
 
2013-05-12 05:46:57 PM

coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: I blame the 2nd Amendment.

I blame its proponents who think tyranny is a transgendered dinosaur.

Are you an opponent of the 2nd Amendment? Clearly you aren't a proponent, right?

There are obviously a lot of you anti-2nd Amendment types. Why don't you start a petition to repeal it?  Grow a pair.

Come on chimpkens, work that trollrage a little harder, bro.

Why don't you anti 2nd Amendment people try to repeal it or modify the uninfringed right to keep and bear arms language? It just seems kinda gay to go after the proponents of a constitutional right while not going after the right itself.

Not really. If you have a greater than 3rd grade education, you can interpret the 2nd amendment like I do which is to mean it can be regulated, which is what we are discussing.

How do you define "uninfringed"? Even your leftist scotus justices aren't gonna pretend "well-regulated militia" means you get to infringe on the people's right to keep and bear arms. "Well-regulated" means "formidable and dependable" and regards the commentary on the importance of the militia. The formidable and dependable militia is obsolete after we went to a standing army.

It might be your best argument for repealing the 2nd by showing that the founders felt the most important reason to give the people an uninfringed right to keep and bear arms was for militia purposes. However, it was not the only reason for the uninfringed right to keep and bear arms.

Don't hate on the proponents of the Bill of Rights if you are too cowardly to repeal the ones that offend you.

I was unaware that I had the power to repeal an amendment.

Thanks for the lesson, chimp.


Of course you have the power. The left is saying the vast majority of Americans favor infringing on citizens' right to keep and bear arms. It should be cinch to repeal it.
 
2013-05-12 05:47:02 PM
We just need to teach people to stop shooting.
 
2013-05-12 05:48:16 PM
Second amendment protects guns, technically, it doesn't say anything about ammunition.  Control the distribution and sale of ammo, and watch as Murica's stockpile of private arms become expense clubs.  No confiscation required.
 
2013-05-12 05:48:24 PM

Noam Chimpsky: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


you are beyond stupid. Since WHEN did "not infringed" mean "not limited".

Noam Chimpsky: HE RIGHT IS THE ONLY right with a built in limitation! Why dont we just enforce the limitation,Noam Derpsky?

/The Supreme Court has ruled "the right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose"

//shove that up the ass of 2nd Amendment Deniers - those who think the 2nd Amendment means they can do anything...
///kinda like the right to happiness means we can self-administer any drug we want to achieve happiness, right?
///the slashies compel you to stop and think!

 the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Why dont you take it up with the Supreme Court, you traitor.
 
2013-05-12 05:48:31 PM
Anyone have a scanner link?

*ducks*
 
2013-05-12 05:48:35 PM

Warthog: This is New Orleans' Katrina.


/thread
 
2013-05-12 05:49:46 PM

LordJiro: Shiat. Copycats of the Tsarnaev brothers? Or unrelated lunatics? Either way, hope they get caught damn quickly.


Nothing like that, just NO thugs with a grudge.
 
2013-05-12 05:50:09 PM

WhyteRaven74: Supporting background checks and the like isn't being opposed to the second amendment. There are gun dealers who support all sorts of stuff the NRA would have a coronary over, yet one can't say they're opposed to the second amendment.


The stuff I was talking about are things like the failed AWB in congress, the NY limit of five bullet magazines and so on. Just tightening up on background checks isn't the same as saying that entire classes of weapons might not be available soon. If someone was on the fence about purchasing something (anything, not just guns) and they perceive that that item might not be available soon they will try and buy it before they no longer can. This isn't rocket surgery.

For example, I remember as a kid saccharine was being considered being reclassified as a banned substance by the FDA. Stores sold out of the stuff almost immediately. Same principle.
 
2013-05-12 05:52:41 PM

WhyteRaven74: Lsherm: It's New Orleans. Is this unusual for New Orleans, or is it just that it happened during a parade? I thought that city had a terrible crime problem.

12 people being shot in one incident is unusual for anywhere in the US. Even in South Central LA in the late 80s and early 90s it would've been extremely unusual.


I agree, that wasn't quite what I meant.  It sounds like these were bystanders hurt in a shootout, not a directed massacre.  I was just wondering if shootouts were unusual in New Orleans, or if they were as common as they are in Chicago.
 
2013-05-12 05:52:49 PM

Noam Chimpsky: LookForTheArrow: Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: I blame the 2nd Amendment.

I blame its proponents who think tyranny is a transgendered dinosaur.

Are you an opponent of the 2nd Amendment? Clearly you aren't a proponent, right?

There are obviously a lot of you anti-2nd Amendment types. Why don't you start a petition to repeal it?  Grow a pair.

Come on chimpkens, work that trollrage a little harder, bro.

Why don't you anti 2nd Amendment people try to repeal it or modify the uninfringed right to keep and bear arms language? It just seems kinda gay to go after the proponents of a constitutional right while not going after the right itself.

THE RIGHT IS THE ONLY right with a built in limitation! Why dont we just enforce the limitation,Noam Derpsky?

/The Supreme Court has ruled "the right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose"

//shove that up the ass of 2nd Amendment Deniers - those who think the 2nd Amendment means they can do anything...
///kinda like the right to happiness means we can self-administer any drug we want to achieve happiness, right?
///the slashies compel you to stop and think!

 the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


So do you think private citizens should be allowed to own nuclear weapons? If not, you're already 'infringing' on that right, since 'arms' is defined as 'weapons'. Not just 'firearms'.

So unless you think private citizens should be able to own nukes, we're just negotiating the level of infringement.
 
2013-05-12 05:53:29 PM

you are a puppet: I've been on almost every day. So a guy named ontariolightning is trying to ban all the guns? Sounds like a Canadian. Any Americans? Any politicians or political groups trying to blatantly ban all the guns, anyone of note, any proposed legislation to ban all the guns, or just a Canadian guy on the internet?


Several politicians have in the past, yes. However, I won't link to that or use that claim as evidence for the way I feel the way I do until I can find a neutral source for the quote, like AJE or BBC. I don't trust right-wing sites to link actual statements made without modifications.

ontariolightning: If less people had guns then less people would be accidentally killed by them.. no yes yes no no yes? No? Yes?


The Population of the United States is 312.8 million people. According to the Centers for Disease Control, 0.2 in 100,000 deaths were caused by firearms accidents. That's 719 people, roughly.

By contrast, 26,000 people were killed by falls in 2010.
 
2013-05-12 05:53:56 PM

Hebalo: As a Canadian, my opinion in this counts for nothing, but seriously America: fark the second amendment. Change it, vote it out, smash it down. It's meaningless, divisive, and hurting you as a nation. Get over this gun fetish, you'll be so much stronger as a nation without it.


How else will we resist the coming invasion of the white walkers from north of the wall?
 
2013-05-12 05:54:41 PM

LookForTheArrow: Why dont you take it up with the Supreme Court, you traitor.


Something tells me that if  NoamChimpsky actually knew what the SCOTUS said on the Second Amendment, his head would explode.
 
2013-05-12 05:55:14 PM

Fissile: Second amendment protects guns, technically, it doesn't say anything about ammunition.  Control the distribution and sale of ammo, and watch as Murica's stockpile of private arms become expense clubs.  No confiscation required.


Oh you're clever. Clearly no one could see through or object to your over-lawyered plan.

I mean, if you're witty enough, you ought to be able to slip that right by American citizens.
 
2013-05-12 05:55:38 PM

Mugato: Hebalo: but seriously America: fark the second amendment.

But it was expressly written to ensure that the people could be armed with the same muskets that the Government has, so that they can one day rise up against the Government in the event that they get out of hand and do outrageous things like elect a black President.


Lol. Yes but anyone who thinks some street gang armed with pistols, or a bunch of loonies in Montana are going to stop Seal Team 6 when they come for your guns is delusional.
 
2013-05-12 05:56:36 PM

hardinparamedic: The Population of the United States is 312.8 million people. According to the Centers for Disease Control, 0.2 in 100,000 deaths were caused by firearms accidents. That's 719 people, roughly.

By contrast, 26,000 people were killed by falls in 2010.


Right there in the middle of the page you link to it says under All firearm deaths:
Number of deaths: 31,672Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.3
 
2013-05-12 05:56:38 PM

Noam Chimpsky: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


www.thereheis.com

Founding Father 1: All right, we're done.
Founding Father 2: You think the language in the second amendment is clear enough? You know, about the right to bear arms?
Founding Father 3: Of course it's clear, every American has the right to hang a pair of bear arms on their wall. How could that possibly be misconstrued?


Pretty sure if the founding fathers looked forward in time, they would have put a little more definition in the 2nd. Highly doubt they wanted to secure the right for people to be able to walk around carrying guns that have enough firepower to kill a small gathering of people in a matter of a few seconds. Of course, they also revered intellect, knowledge and reason... things that, if not long lost, have become detested in this country.
 
2013-05-12 05:56:43 PM

iq_in_binary: Watch how fast it gets buried if it turns out to be gang related.

Will Fox, MSNBC and CNN be covering this in a few hours? Will there be non-stop coverage for the next 3 days?

I'm guessing no. Nobody cares unless it's white people.


MSM won't care. The gun nuts will bring this up as yet more need to arm whites against blacks.
 
2013-05-12 05:56:50 PM

Stone Meadow: Hebalo: As a Canadian, my opinion in this counts for nothing, but seriously America: fark the second amendment. Change it, vote it out, smash it down. It's meaningless, divisive, and hurting you as a nation. Get over this gun fetish, you'll be so much stronger as a nation without it.

How else will we resist the coming invasion of the white walkers from north of the wall?


Wait until you see our Horse Head mosaics.
 
2013-05-12 05:57:22 PM

you are a puppet: hardinparamedic: LookForTheArrow: YOURE THE ONE SUGGESTING WE BAN GUNS. SMART PEOPLE ARE SUGGESTING WE CONTROL THEM, JERKFACE

you are a puppet: Whoa, there are people trying to ban all the guns? And blatantly even?

You haven't been on FARK in the past several weeks, have you?

People like  ontariolightning are just as bad as people who act like anyone talking regulation means Obummer is gonna march in and jackboot their throats while they take their guns.

I've been on almost every day. So a guy named ontariolightning is trying to ban all the guns? Sounds like a Canadian. Any Americans? Any politicians or political groups trying to blatantly ban all the guns, anyone of note, any proposed legislation to ban all the guns, or just a Canadian guy on the internet?


Speaking as a Canadian... I don't agree with banning all guns. I do agree that perhaps there are too many guns, and certain guns are better off not owned (I actually worry more about handguns than AR-15's). Would ne nice to have a stricter requirement for buying a gun, and that each gun has DNA identification similar to a Lawgiver 2... but that's probably a few years away.
 
2013-05-12 05:57:33 PM

iq_in_binary: coeyagi: super_grass: coeyagi: Dimensio: Nabb1: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.

Local reports seem to indicate one gang member shooting at another in a crowd and hitting just about everyone else but the guy he wanted to shoot. But, hey, political circle jerk.

Gun rights advocates remain hopeful that some of the injured will eventually die so the NRA can go on the defensive and drive gun sales.

FTFY

That makes zero sense. If what you said was true then gun sales would jump after every local gangland drive-by.

Gun sales jumped after the shootings because suddenly politicians and news networks started talking about gun control. People decided to guy guns before it becomes harder/more expensive to do so.

It's the Streisand effect, not some NRA conspiracy.

Oh dear lord.  Sure, you just keep believing that if the NRA isn't stoking the fire of fear in gun owners, that the guns and ammo will be flying off the shelves at the rate they've been.

Follow the money.

1) Tragedy.
2) Call for gun control.
3) NRA stokes fear.
4) People buy guns / ammo.
5) More money in gun manufacturers' pockets.
6) More money to go to the NRA from gun manufacturers.

I am not saying they would do this, but given that model, it would be in the best financial interest of everyone if the NRA just armed all the school children it could.  But I am SURE they haven't every suggested anything remotely similar to that before...

That you think the NRA is funded by gun manufacturers shows just how little you know about the subject.

Now, I'm not saying that the whole fear stoking cycle doesn't exist--it is obvious that it does--but to say that it is some grand conspiracy on the part of gun manufacturers is wholly ignorant and just as desperately conspiratorial as the Alex Jones crowd tends to be.

The NRA is funded by dues, even the NRA-ILA's lobbying is funded almost entirely by member dues.


Yeah, you're actually wrong there chief.   http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-29/nra-raises-200-million-as-gu n -lobby-toasters-burn-logo-on-bread.html

Jesus, did you really think I wasn't going to be able to back that up?  Sad.
 
2013-05-12 05:57:42 PM

dfenstrate: Fissile: Second amendment protects guns, technically, it doesn't say anything about ammunition.  Control the distribution and sale of ammo, and watch as Murica's stockpile of private arms become expense clubs.  No confiscation required.

Oh you're clever. Clearly no one could see through or object to your over-lawyered plan.

I mean, if you're witty enough, you ought to be able to slip that right by American citizens.


He already has. The American citizens are doing it to themselves through panic buying. The average shooter can't get ammunition easily at their neighborhood sporting or department store unless they're willing to line up in the sporting goods department an hour and a half before they open.
 
2013-05-12 05:58:30 PM

Fissile: Second amendment protects guns, technically, it doesn't say anything about ammunition.  Control the distribution and sale of ammo, and watch as Murica's stockpile of private arms become expense clubs.  No confiscation required.


That is part of the arms so, no.  Nice try.
 
2013-05-12 05:58:41 PM

The first thing I looked at: coeyagi: The first thing I looked at: coeyagi: t3knomanser: Belatryx: Oh FFS people. Can we just go one week without mass shootings?

Ironically, the frequency of gun violence is far lower than it was only two decades ago. Nobody  feels that way, but  it's true

Obviously, the solution is to do nothing then.  I am sure the thousands of dead people from gun crimes each year are resting easy in their graves knowing that fact.

I know, we should just pass a law that makes crimes illegal and then they won't happen anymore.

Strawmanus Douchebagus.

1/10.

What an enlightening reply. I suppose you didn't have any real response to that though, so just go with insults again. Its how normal people can tell you shouldn't be taken seriously.


Dude, you put down a strawman right out of the gate, which is an insult to my intelligence.  In what f*cking world do you think you deserve anything more?
 
2013-05-12 05:58:49 PM
Aww jeez, not this shiat again.
 
2013-05-12 05:59:31 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-12 05:59:36 PM
There was a major gang indictment unsealed in New Orleans the other day.  This could possibly be the beginning of a war against the gangs of New Orleans.
 
2013-05-12 06:00:26 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Swoop1809: Now is not the time to talk about gun control

That's because it was too soon after the tragedy when you posted that comment.  Now that I've posted mine, it's too late.


No, it'll continue to be too soon until next month's mass shooting.
 
2013-05-12 06:00:43 PM

LordJiro: Noam Chimpsky: LookForTheArrow: Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: coeyagi: Noam Chimpsky: I blame the 2nd Amendment.

I blame its proponents who think tyranny is a transgendered dinosaur.

Are you an opponent of the 2nd Amendment? Clearly you aren't a proponent, right?

There are obviously a lot of you anti-2nd Amendment types. Why don't you start a petition to repeal it?  Grow a pair.

Come on chimpkens, work that trollrage a little harder, bro.

Why don't you anti 2nd Amendment people try to repeal it or modify the uninfringed right to keep and bear arms language? It just seems kinda gay to go after the proponents of a constitutional right while not going after the right itself.

THE RIGHT IS THE ONLY right with a built in limitation! Why dont we just enforce the limitation,Noam Derpsky?

/The Supreme Court has ruled "the right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose"

//shove that up the ass of 2nd Amendment Deniers - those who think the 2nd Amendment means they can do anything...
///kinda like the right to happiness means we can self-administer any drug we want to achieve happiness, right?
///the slashies compel you to stop and think!

 the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

So do you think private citizens should be allowed to own nuclear weapons? If not, you're already 'infringing' on that right, since 'arms' is defined as 'weapons'. Not just 'firearms'.

So unless you think private citizens should be able to own nukes, we're just negotiating the level of infringement.


Read a dictionary. Only an idiot thinks a nuclear bomb is classified as an "arm," it's ordnance.

The Second Amendment clearly applies to small arms, although there were framers who were fans of private ownership of ordnance too. A good portion of the cannon used in not just the Revolutionary War but the Civil War as well were privately owned.

The argument you just made is reductio ad absurdem, plain and simple. You are literally just as retarded as the creationists who dismiss evolution with "Why are there still monkeys?" argument.
 
2013-05-12 06:00:45 PM

Stone Meadow: Right there in the middle of the page you link to it says under All firearm deaths:
Number of deaths: 31,672Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.3


Clicking on links is clearly hard for you. The CDC Breaks it down here. Total Firearms deaths include those deaths by violence, those deaths by suicide, and those deaths by accidental discharge.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-12 06:01:14 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Kinetocracy: Guess the race.

It was a parade.


A 5K sponsored by Macy's?
 
2013-05-12 06:01:30 PM
America! Totally Gay For GunsTM
 
2013-05-12 06:01:31 PM
Wall-to-wall coverage....

4.bp.blogspot.com

Hey, did you hear about Benghazi...

mattsakakeeny.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-12 06:01:55 PM

Unrelated, but this was the cover of today's New York Post:


img.photobucket.com

/classy
 
2013-05-12 06:02:44 PM

Stone Meadow: hardinparamedic: The Population of the United States is 312.8 million people. According to the Centers for Disease Control, 0.2 in 100,000 deaths were caused by firearms accidents. That's 719 people, roughly.

By contrast, 26,000 people were killed by falls in 2010.

Right there in the middle of the page you link to it says under All firearm deaths:
Number of deaths: 31,672Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.3


"Because someone calls you out and dissects your argument on - well, whatever - in a way that is factually accurate, and forces you to backpedal or further explain your belief in something, that does not make them a troll. That's actually what adults call debate. You precious little flower you. "

LOL
 
2013-05-12 06:03:00 PM

Demetrius: Wall-to-wall coverage....

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]

Hey, did you hear about Benghazi...

[mattsakakeeny.files.wordpress.com image 850x566]


This is the right wing troll notification system.
 
2013-05-12 06:03:03 PM

Noam Chimpsky: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

Which is why, according to the second amendment, I am free to own all the fully automatic and shoulder-mounted anti-personnel/aircraft arms I desire.

Oh wait, turns out that right CAN BE and frequently IS infringed!
 
2013-05-12 06:03:35 PM

iq_in_binary: Iplaybass: hardinparamedic: birdmanesq: Guns were involved in 2/3 of the homicides in 2011. And that omits suicides and accidents.

The point called from Beijing, and said hi.  It's not just a gun problem. It's a complex, multifactorial issue. The idea that you can distill it down to a gun problem is an insane attempt at hiding your head in the dirt.

And the majority of those homicides involved drug and drug-related crimes, and were committed using semi-automatic handguns. Yet, somehow, blatantly banning all guns is going to solve the problems?

Let's not address the drug culture and problems with the laughable "War on Drugs".
Let's not address crippling poverty, lack of a single-payer healthcare system, or the failure of the system as it stands to care for mentally ill people.
Let's not address the fact there are reasonable measures that we can undertake to reduce gun violence, such as closing background loopholes.

But no. Let's ban the guns. That'll solve everything!

It's a complex, multifactorial issue that could be halted significantly with tightened gun laws. But no, you retards are too stupid to see that. Despite the fact that it's worked elsewhere.

No it hasn't. Nobody has successfully tried to reign in a pool of 250-300 million firearms in the hands of just as many people.

But keep pretending it isn't a pipe dream despite the mountains of evidence that say otherwise.


"Mountains of evidence". Bullshiat. You mean "mountains of propaganda from the NRA". Wake up to yourself.
 
2013-05-12 06:04:29 PM

libranoelrose: "Because someone calls you out and dissects your argument on - well, whatever - in a way that is factually accurate, and forces you to backpedal or further explain your belief in something, that does not make them a troll. That's actually what adults call debate. You precious little flower you. "

LOL


Or, you could admit you're blatantly wrong.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-12 06:04:37 PM

udhq: Noam Chimpsky: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 

Which is why, according to the second amendment, I am free to own all the fully automatic and shoulder-mounted anti-personnel/aircraft arms I desire.

Oh wait, turns out that right CAN BE and frequently IS infringed!


They can't acknowledge that a line must be drawn somehwere and that it is ALWAYS arbitrary based on societal conditions, but I acknowledge your resilience against their strong mental deficiencies.
 
2013-05-12 06:05:06 PM

coeyagi: iq_in_binary: coeyagi: super_grass: coeyagi: Dimensio: Nabb1: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.

Local reports seem to indicate one gang member shooting at another in a crowd and hitting just about everyone else but the guy he wanted to shoot. But, hey, political circle jerk.

Gun rights advocates remain hopeful that some of the injured will eventually die so the NRA can go on the defensive and drive gun sales.

FTFY

That makes zero sense. If what you said was true then gun sales would jump after every local gangland drive-by.

Gun sales jumped after the shootings because suddenly politicians and news networks started talking about gun control. People decided to guy guns before it becomes harder/more expensive to do so.

It's the Streisand effect, not some NRA conspiracy.

Oh dear lord.  Sure, you just keep believing that if the NRA isn't stoking the fire of fear in gun owners, that the guns and ammo will be flying off the shelves at the rate they've been.

Follow the money.

1) Tragedy.
2) Call for gun control.
3) NRA stokes fear.
4) People buy guns / ammo.
5) More money in gun manufacturers' pockets.
6) More money to go to the NRA from gun manufacturers.

I am not saying they would do this, but given that model, it would be in the best financial interest of everyone if the NRA just armed all the school children it could.  But I am SURE they haven't every suggested anything remotely similar to that before...

That you think the NRA is funded by gun manufacturers shows just how little you know about the subject.

Now, I'm not saying that the whole fear stoking cycle doesn't exist--it is obvious that it does--but to say that it is some grand conspiracy on the part of gun manufacturers is wholly ignorant and just as desperately conspiratorial as the Alex Jones crowd tends to be.

The NRA is funded by dues, even the NRA-ILA's lobbying is funded almost entirely by member dues.

Yeah, you're actually wrong there chief ...


Jesus H Titty farking, Tap Dancing, Balls Deep In Mary Magdalene Christ crushing crackers on a pogo stick, did you read the farking article?

Over $200 Million raised, less than $15 Million contributed by gun manufacturers.

Way to prove my point for me.
 
2013-05-12 06:05:13 PM

udhq: Noam Chimpsky: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 

Which is why, according to the second amendment, I am free to own all the fully automatic and shoulder-mounted anti-personnel/aircraft arms I desire.

Oh wait, turns out that right CAN BE and frequently IS infringed!


It can be changed though, updated. And should be.
 
2013-05-12 06:06:15 PM

Hebalo: Lol. Yes but anyone who thinks some street gang armed with pistols, or a bunch of loonies in Montana are going to stop Seal Team 6 when they come for your guns is delusional.


I have an otherwise not-an-idiot friend who believes this. He's not a racist or anything but he really believes that if the government does get out of line that he and his well armed friends will straighten shiat out and that's what the 2nd amendment is for.

I'm not against gun ownership. I have a Walther PPK myself. Because that's what James Bond uses and I go shooting with my dad. But just admit that it's a toy or for self defense in the highly unlikely situation where you're attacked does occur. Just knock off the "overthrowing the government" horseshiat.
 
2013-05-12 06:06:33 PM
We need to ban Mother's Day, it's just too dangerous. We could replace it with Gun Day. For safety.
 
2013-05-12 06:07:04 PM

Ebenator: Unrelated, but this was the cover of today's New York Post:
[img.photobucket.com image 400x187]

/classy


Free Jahar?? Wait a second, when did it go from Dzshokalal or whatever to Jahar?
 
2013-05-12 06:07:05 PM

udhq: Which is why, according to the second amendment, I am free to own all the fully automatic and shoulder-mounted anti-personnel/aircraft arms I desire.

Oh wait, turns out that right CAN BE and frequently IS infringed!


Technically, it's not infringment of a right. The SCOTUS has asserted that States and the Federal Government are able to regulate the arms a civilian can legally own that are not in common use - i.e. AAA guns.

Technically, as well, it's legal to own a 40mm Bofors AA gun if you buy the tax stamp for it and go through the documentation process. You could technically own a Rheinmetal 120mm Cannon off an M1 Abrahams and it be totally legal with that.

Fun fact: You could own a minigun today with that tax stamp, and be just like Arnie.
 
2013-05-12 06:08:37 PM
Three suspects were spotted near a pressure cooker at an Asian Buffet on S Carrollton Ave.
 
2013-05-12 06:08:44 PM

Mugato: Hebalo: Lol. Yes but anyone who thinks some street gang armed with pistols, or a bunch of loonies in Montana are going to stop Seal Team 6 when they come for your guns is delusional.

I have an otherwise not-an-idiot friend who believes this. He's not a racist or anything but he really believes that if the government does get out of line that he and his well armed friends will straighten shiat out and that's what the 2nd amendment is for.

I'm not against gun ownership. I have a Walther PPK myself. Because that's what James Bond uses and I go shooting with my dad. But just admit that it's a toy or for self defense in the highly unlikely situation where you're attacked does occur. Just knock off the "overthrowing the government" horseshiat.


Liberals aren't anti-gun. We're anti-gun-nut.
 
2013-05-12 06:08:52 PM
I have figured out a way to reduce my argument, in this debate, to its smallest possible form. I think this explains my position (and that of many other people), quite well:

img189.imageshack.us
 
2013-05-12 06:09:32 PM

hardinparamedic: libranoelrose: "Because someone calls you out and dissects your argument on - well, whatever - in a way that is factually accurate, and forces you to backpedal or further explain your belief in something, that does not make them a troll. That's actually what adults call debate. You precious little flower you. "

LOL

Or, you could admit you're blatantly wrong.

[i.imgur.com image 330x139]


Why are we suddenly harping on  accidental gun deaths? I'm pretty sure these gunshots weren't accidental.
 
2013-05-12 06:09:44 PM

simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?


Chances the guns used were legally purchased are minimal.
 
2013-05-12 06:11:17 PM

WippitGuud: Why are we suddenly harping on  accidental gun deaths? I'm pretty sure these gunshots weren't accidental.


Directly addressing an argument that  ontariolightning made about accidental gun deaths. Apparently, somehow in there I psychically called someone a troll, or something.

a_real_human_being: I have figured out a way to reduce my argument, in this debate, to its smallest possible form. I think this explains my position (and that of many other people), quite well:

[img189.imageshack.us image 480x410]


Actually, it's quite legal to own a block of C4, either if you have a Federal Explosives license, or if you have a tax stamp for each individual block of explosive you have - they count as a destructive device.
 
2013-05-12 06:11:24 PM

iq_in_binary: Watch how fast it gets buried if it turns out to be gang related.

Will Fox, MSNBC and CNN be covering this in a few hours? Will there be non-stop coverage for the next 3 days?

I'm guessing no. Nobody cares unless it's white people.


Foxnews has it up.  CNN, not so much.  But Foxnews is the one that's racist, right?
 
2013-05-12 06:12:16 PM
Vital stats how white was their skin? Unimportant, just another inner-city drive-by thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNtD6mrkSZ0 (They didn't get much play in the States, but this shiat is more relevant than ever)

/if God made man
//Sam Colt made him equal.
 
2013-05-12 06:13:06 PM

Iplaybass: iq_in_binary: Iplaybass: hardinparamedic: birdmanesq: Guns were involved in 2/3 of the homicides in 2011. And that omits suicides and accidents.

The point called from Beijing, and said hi.  It's not just a gun problem. It's a complex, multifactorial issue. The idea that you can distill it down to a gun problem is an insane attempt at hiding your head in the dirt.

And the majority of those homicides involved drug and drug-related crimes, and were committed using semi-automatic handguns. Yet, somehow, blatantly banning all guns is going to solve the problems?

Let's not address the drug culture and problems with the laughable "War on Drugs".
Let's not address crippling poverty, lack of a single-payer healthcare system, or the failure of the system as it stands to care for mentally ill people.
Let's not address the fact there are reasonable measures that we can undertake to reduce gun violence, such as closing background loopholes.

But no. Let's ban the guns. That'll solve everything!

It's a complex, multifactorial issue that could be halted significantly with tightened gun laws. But no, you retards are too stupid to see that. Despite the fact that it's worked elsewhere.

No it hasn't. Nobody has successfully tried to reign in a pool of 250-300 million firearms in the hands of just as many people.

But keep pretending it isn't a pipe dream despite the mountains of evidence that say otherwise.

"Mountains of evidence". Bullshiat. You mean "mountains of propaganda from the NRA". Wake up to yourself.


You're talking to the one gunsmith on Fark who is not only rabidly anti-NRA, but rabidly pro gun control. Difference is I know what works and what doesn't. I proposed expanding the NFA to include basically everything, because that would work. Bans won't.

But because it doesn't include banning things that politicians from California hold up at rallies to stoke fear them damn selves, you lump me in with the NRA crowd.

Otherism is bad when the NRA does it, but not when you do?
 
2013-05-12 06:13:11 PM
It's just a false Flag operation by the CIA to take our guns away. These guys were last seen there:

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-12 06:13:37 PM

LL316: Foxnews has it up.  CNN, not so much.  But Foxnews is the one that's racist, right?


Fox News is only interested in being able to spin this as more ammunition for the evil kenyan usurper to be able to march into YOUR HOUSE with his secret army and take your guns.
 
2013-05-12 06:14:42 PM
Sheesh..... is it not now obvious we need to install a no-fly zone in Syria and bomb Chechnya for good measure?
 
2013-05-12 06:14:52 PM

hardinparamedic: udhq: Which is why, according to the second amendment, I am free to own all the fully automatic and shoulder-mounted anti-personnel/aircraft arms I desire.

Oh wait, turns out that right CAN BE and frequently IS infringed!

Technically, it's not infringment of a right. The SCOTUS has asserted that States and the Federal Government are able to regulate the arms a civilian can legally own that are not in common use - i.e. AAA guns.

Technically, as well, it's legal to own a 40mm Bofors AA gun if you buy the tax stamp for it and go through the documentation process. You could technically own a Rheinmetal 120mm Cannon off an M1 Abrahams and it be totally legal with that.

Fun fact: You could own a minigun today with that tax stamp, and be just like Arnie.


You seem like you might know. What's involved in a 'tax stamp'? As a for-instance, I'd like to own an FN P90, but in order to have the shortened bullpup barrel, you apparently have to have the tax stamp for it. I was never able to figure out what's involved in that, or how much it would cost.
 
2013-05-12 06:16:22 PM
Time to buy stock in the companies that make penis replacements for gun nuts.
 
2013-05-12 06:18:04 PM
Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

img195.imageshack.us
 
2013-05-12 06:19:14 PM

Arachnophobe: You seem like you might know. What's involved in a 'tax stamp'? As a for-instance, I'd like to own an FN P90, but in order to have the shortened bullpup barrel, you apparently have to have the tax stamp for it. I was never able to figure out what's involved in that, or how much it would cost.


Unless you're a member of a LE or Government Agency, or you work for a security or protection company with a license from the State Department - like PMCs - to own one, you're not going to get an FN P90, as the company only sells to these agencies due to the nature of the 5.7mm round. (And if you own a FiveseveN pistol, getting ammo for it is a biatch). You can buy the civilian version of it, the PS90, and get a tax stamp to modify the barrel, but it'll be semi-auto only.

If you want a tax stamp, the ATF has an FAQ about it.

There are a few FARKers who also hold their Class III FFL license, and are able to sell them, so they might be able to help you more as well.
 
2013-05-12 06:19:18 PM

udhq: Noam Chimpsky: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 

Which is why, according to the second amendment, I am free to own all the fully automatic and shoulder-mounted anti-personnel/aircraft arms I desire.

Oh wait, turns out that right CAN BE and frequently IS infringed!


by that logic as long as the government keeps infringing your rights, then it is okay that they infringe on more of your right?
 
2013-05-12 06:19:29 PM

Arachnophobe: hardinparamedic: udhq: Which is why, according to the second amendment, I am free to own all the fully automatic and shoulder-mounted anti-personnel/aircraft arms I desire.

Oh wait, turns out that right CAN BE and frequently IS infringed!

Technically, it's not infringment of a right. The SCOTUS has asserted that States and the Federal Government are able to regulate the arms a civilian can legally own that are not in common use - i.e. AAA guns.

Technically, as well, it's legal to own a 40mm Bofors AA gun if you buy the tax stamp for it and go through the documentation process. You could technically own a Rheinmetal 120mm Cannon off an M1 Abrahams and it be totally legal with that.

Fun fact: You could own a minigun today with that tax stamp, and be just like Arnie.

You seem like you might know. What's involved in a 'tax stamp'? As a for-instance, I'd like to own an FN P90, but in order to have the shortened bullpup barrel, you apparently have to have the tax stamp for it. I was never able to figure out what's involved in that, or how much it would cost.


$200 and approval of the local sheriff or other equivalent LEO, plus a wait of several months.  If you live in a free state, that is.  Because SBRs are a scourge upon our cities and will lead to rivers of blood running down the streets, as evidenced by Canada's restrictions on SBRs.....
 
2013-05-12 06:19:34 PM

Mazzic518: coeyagi: simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?

How many of your guns have the gun grabbers grabbed?

I grabbed one of my guns the other day


I'm "grabbing my gun" tight now!
 
2013-05-12 06:19:41 PM

Triumph: Man, New Orleans will have a parade for anything.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-12 06:20:21 PM

hardinparamedic: udhq: Which is why, according to the second amendment, I am free to own all the fully automatic and shoulder-mounted anti-personnel/aircraft arms I desire.

Oh wait, turns out that right CAN BE and frequently IS infringed!

Technically, it's not infringment of a right. The SCOTUS has asserted that States and the Federal Government are able to regulate the arms a civilian can legally own that are not in common use - i.e. AAA guns.

Technically, as well, it's legal to own a 40mm Bofors AA gun if you buy the tax stamp for it and go through the documentation process. You could technically own a Rheinmetal 120mm Cannon off an M1 Abrahams and it be totally legal with that.


I don't think you can do the last one.  I seem to remember reading somewhere the largest caliber of live weapon you can own is 100mm.  Anything over that has to be deactivated.
 
2013-05-12 06:20:30 PM

a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]


You can own grenades too.....
 
2013-05-12 06:20:38 PM
We need more guns! More guns = more safety.

Remember only a good parade attendant can stop a bad parade attendant.
 
2013-05-12 06:21:05 PM

a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]


Legal to own with a DD Tax Stamp, too. But you have to have an individual tax stamp for each grenade you own.

Technically, as long as you have a tax stamp for the launcher and for each missile, you could own a Javelin ATM, an RPG-7, or an AT-4 if someone was willing to sell it to you.
 
2013-05-12 06:23:01 PM
Yo mama so shot...
She got both a doctor with a needle and a bartender with a small glass on speed dial.
 
2013-05-12 06:23:35 PM

Caradoc: hardinparamedic: Given that this was NOLA, I doubt it was mentally ill and more gangbanger.

There's a difference?


Let's have an investigation to determine if Hillary Clinton knew it was one, but said the other, and why the police didn't send reinforcements in time.
 
2013-05-12 06:23:48 PM

Arachnophobe: hardinparamedic: udhq: Which is why, according to the second amendment, I am free to own all the fully automatic and shoulder-mounted anti-personnel/aircraft arms I desire.

Oh wait, turns out that right CAN BE and frequently IS infringed!

Technically, it's not infringment of a right. The SCOTUS has asserted that States and the Federal Government are able to regulate the arms a civilian can legally own that are not in common use - i.e. AAA guns.

Technically, as well, it's legal to own a 40mm Bofors AA gun if you buy the tax stamp for it and go through the documentation process. You could technically own a Rheinmetal 120mm Cannon off an M1 Abrahams and it be totally legal with that.

Fun fact: You could own a minigun today with that tax stamp, and be just like Arnie.

You seem like you might know. What's involved in a 'tax stamp'? As a for-instance, I'd like to own an FN P90, but in order to have the shortened bullpup barrel, you apparently have to have the tax stamp for it. I was never able to figure out what's involved in that, or how much it would cost.


$200 Tax Stamp, but you're only going to be able to own the semi-auto version because the P90 was manufactured after the Hughes amendment. Now, if you want to own a select fire M16, again it's $200 but you're going to pay $30,000+ for one in good condition.

One of the stipulations of my proposal was a repeal of the Hughes amendment for that very reason.
 
2013-05-12 06:25:50 PM

a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]


Completely legal to purchase and own, actually. Depending on state and local laws, of course. But at the Federal level, it's just a $200 tax stamp.

That you didn't know that shows how uneducated you are on the subject.
 
2013-05-12 06:26:53 PM

iq_in_binary: Completely legal to purchase and own, actually. Depending on state and local laws, of course. But at the Federal level, it's just a $200 tax stamp.


I've dreamed about getting my Federal Explosives License because I could make and own those things without paying 200 bucks each. My family has a LOT of land in Middle Tennessee that is unoccupied, and I could blow a lot of holes in the ground without making anyone in danger.
 
2013-05-12 06:26:54 PM

SurfaceTension: Mugato: Hebalo: Lol. Yes but anyone who thinks some street gang armed with pistols, or a bunch of loonies in Montana are going to stop Seal Team 6 when they come for your guns is delusional.

I have an otherwise not-an-idiot friend who believes this. He's not a racist or anything but he really believes that if the government does get out of line that he and his well armed friends will straighten shiat out and that's what the 2nd amendment is for.

I'm not against gun ownership. I have a Walther PPK myself. Because that's what James Bond uses and I go shooting with my dad. But just admit that it's a toy or for self defense in the highly unlikely situation where you're attacked does occur. Just knock off the "overthrowing the government" horseshiat.

Liberals aren't anti-gun. We're anti-gun-nut.


While, for the most part, this is true, there's a disturbing vibe in this topic that makes me think some people wanted some deaths out of this so there could be a renewed political debate.

For their part, the NRA and some of their more enlightened followers have done their best to dissuade me from owning a gun for the forseeable future. That said, damn, some of you idiots aren't helping. The amount of vitrol and rhetoric is outpacing the actual information and even the snark on an exponential level.
 
2013-05-12 06:26:55 PM
Triple the tax on ammunition. Quadruple even.
 
2013-05-12 06:28:39 PM

hardinparamedic: Arachnophobe: You seem like you might know. What's involved in a 'tax stamp'? As a for-instance, I'd like to own an FN P90, but in order to have the shortened bullpup barrel, you apparently have to have the tax stamp for it. I was never able to figure out what's involved in that, or how much it would cost.

Unless you're a member of a LE or Government Agency, or you work for a security or protection company with a license from the State Department - like PMCs - to own one, you're not going to get an FN P90, as the company only sells to these agencies due to the nature of the 5.7mm round. (And if you own a FiveseveN pistol, getting ammo for it is a biatch). You can buy the civilian version of it, the PS90, and get a tax stamp to modify the barrel, but it'll be semi-auto only.

If you want a tax stamp, the ATF has an FAQ about it.

There are a few FARKers who also hold their Class III FFL license, and are able to sell them, so they might be able to help you more as well.


This was educational, thank you. I'd assumed it was semi-auto, I have absolutely no reason to even handle a full auto and wouldn't want one anyway. So if I really wanted to do it, I'd get the civilian and get a gunsmith to modify it.

Just from a quick skim of that link you gave, it seems like the tax stamps are mainly provided to businesses? I'm starting to think it might be easier to just stick with the standard PS90. I suspect getting the ammunition for it will be enough of a hassle as it is.

Thanks again for the quick info.
 
2013-05-12 06:28:57 PM

Jaicu: Triple the tax on ammunition. Quadruple even.


What tax?

And have you never heard of a Rock Chucker?
 
2013-05-12 06:30:13 PM

Clutch2013: SurfaceTension: Mugato: Hebalo: Lol. Yes but anyone who thinks some street gang armed with pistols, or a bunch of loonies in Montana are going to stop Seal Team 6 when they come for your guns is delusional.

I have an otherwise not-an-idiot friend who believes this. He's not a racist or anything but he really believes that if the government does get out of line that he and his well armed friends will straighten shiat out and that's what the 2nd amendment is for.

I'm not against gun ownership. I have a Walther PPK myself. Because that's what James Bond uses and I go shooting with my dad. But just admit that it's a toy or for self defense in the highly unlikely situation where you're attacked does occur. Just knock off the "overthrowing the government" horseshiat.

Liberals aren't anti-gun. We're anti-gun-nut.

While, for the most part, this is true, there's a disturbing vibe in this topic that makes me think some people wanted some deaths out of this so there could be a renewed political debate.

For their part, the NRA and some of their more enlightened followers have done their best to dissuade me from owning a gun for the forseeable future. That said, damn, some of you idiots aren't helping. The amount of vitrol and rhetoric is outpacing the actual information and even the snark on an exponential level.


Upon rereading this, I get the sense I've committed grammatical manslaughter of some sort...
 
2013-05-12 06:31:00 PM
What is a mothers day second line parade and why do they have it in an alley?
 
2013-05-12 06:32:03 PM

Clutch2013: SurfaceTension: Mugato: Hebalo: Lol. Yes but anyone who thinks some street gang armed with pistols, or a bunch of loonies in Montana are going to stop Seal Team 6 when they come for your guns is delusional.

I have an otherwise not-an-idiot friend who believes this. He's not a racist or anything but he really believes that if the government does get out of line that he and his well armed friends will straighten shiat out and that's what the 2nd amendment is for.

I'm not against gun ownership. I have a Walther PPK myself. Because that's what James Bond uses and I go shooting with my dad. But just admit that it's a toy or for self defense in the highly unlikely situation where you're attacked does occur. Just knock off the "overthrowing the government" horseshiat.

Liberals aren't anti-gun. We're anti-gun-nut.

While, for the most part, this is true, there's a disturbing vibe in this topic that makes me think some people wanted some deaths out of this so there could be a renewed political debate.

For their part, the NRA and some of their more enlightened followers have done their best to dissuade me from owning a gun for the forseeable future. That said, damn, some of you idiots aren't helping. The amount of vitrol and rhetoric is outpacing the actual information and even the snark on an exponential level.


The NRA and its strictest adherents' level of crazy and retarded derp can be easily explained by the fact that the NRA is now a de facto base stroking organ of the Republican Party. They stopped representing gun owners over a decade ago. You could alleviate a ton of confusion and clear up many of the troubling nuances of these debate by simply replacing NRA with "Republican" in all future debates on the subject.
 
2013-05-12 06:32:08 PM

hardinparamedic: iq_in_binary: Completely legal to purchase and own, actually. Depending on state and local laws, of course. But at the Federal level, it's just a $200 tax stamp.

I've dreamed about getting my Federal Explosives License because I could make and own those things without paying 200 bucks each. My family has a LOT of land in Middle Tennessee that is unoccupied, and I could blow a lot of holes in the ground without making anyone in danger.


I say gopher it.
 
2013-05-12 06:32:10 PM
Yo mama so shot...
She don't even know how to put.
 
2013-05-12 06:32:11 PM

LookForTheArrow: WippitGuud: I don't agree with banning all guns.

NOBODY DOES YOU CANADIAN shiatTARD

/the candadian bit has nothing to do with it.


you are a puppet:  So a guy named ontariolightning is trying to ban all the guns? Sounds like a Canadian.



I apologize if my need to defend being stereotyped for my nationality has infringed upon you and forced you to resort to insults.
 
2013-05-12 06:33:11 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: The USA is a factory for making people mentally ill and arming them.


"Mentally ill" is a poor excuse for bad behavior. The truly mentally ill are no more prone to violence than the normal population. In fact they are more at risk of being the victims of violence.

"Mental illness" is not a catch all excuse for violence. It does not explain why completely sane individuals commit violent acts. It does not explain why perfectly rational people wage large scale war. Horrific acts of abuse and violence are committed every day by people in their right minds, thinking rationally, without regard for the welfare and feelings of others.

Mental illness is less a risk factor for violence than being a young male, an alcoholic, a substance abuser, or even being poor.

Being "angry" is not mental illness.

Mental health care is a real problem in this nation. We have some of the highest incidence in the world of untreated mental illness. It needs to be addressed in health care reform and socio-cultural changes. Blaming these incidents on mental illness is a disservice to that problem.
 
2013-05-12 06:33:33 PM

pippi longstocking: Remember only a good parade attendant can stop a bad parade attendant.


People have killed to become drum majors and majorettes.

Happy Mother's Day
 
2013-05-12 06:33:35 PM
hardinparamedic:

The Population of the United States is 312.8 million people. According to the Centers for Disease Control, 0.2 in 100,000 deaths were caused by firearms accidents. That's 719 people, roughly.

By contrast, 26,000 people were killed by falls in 2010.


Canada had 578 homicides last year. U.S has more accidental gun deaths than Canada has homicides.
Just putting that into perspective.
 
2013-05-12 06:33:45 PM

LL316: Foxnews has it up.  CNN, not so much.  But Foxnews is the one that's racist, right?


I just found it up at both.

CNN says 11 injured all non life threatening.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/12/us/louisiana-shooting/

FOX says at least 12 injured all non life threatening.

.http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/12/12-hurt-at-new-orleans-mother- day -second-line-parade-shooting/

Both mention a 10 year old victim and are kinda sparse.

The CBC story says "at least 17 inured" and has more details including what a second line parade is.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/05/12/new-orleans-mothers-da y- shooting.html
 
2013-05-12 06:33:48 PM

Arachnophobe: Just from a quick skim of that link you gave, it seems like the tax stamps are mainly provided to businesses? I'm starting to think it might be easier to just stick with the standard PS90. I suspect getting the ammunition for it will be enough of a hassle as it is.


I actually looked into getting a FiveseveN pistol because it is freaking tacticool, plus the frangible ammo won't penetrate drywall and still does horrible things to the human body. The JSP ammo available to civilians is like 50-70 dollars a box, and none of the ranges around here will let you shoot it because it'll go through their bullet stops. The problem is that everything but the jacketed soft point round is restricted to Military or Law Enforcement use under the NFA because they were specifically designed to penetrate modern body armor systems.

Arachnophobe: This was educational, thank you. I'd assumed it was semi-auto, I have absolutely no reason to even handle a full auto and wouldn't want one anyway. So if I really wanted to do it, I'd get the civilian and get a gunsmith to modify it.


Not a problem. I think that, at a certain point, it's considered a pistol once the gunsmith modifies it. That's how the Kriss Vector 45 can be sold legally in the United States without having a tax stamp.
 
2013-05-12 06:34:18 PM

hardinparamedic: Stone Meadow: Right there in the middle of the page you link to it says under All firearm deaths:
Number of deaths: 31,672Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.3

Clicking on links is clearly hard for you. The CDC Breaks it down here. Total Firearms deaths include those deaths by violence, those deaths by suicide, and those deaths by accidental discharge.


No, checking links is not hard...I simply missed the word "accidents". Shiat happens.
 
2013-05-12 06:35:19 PM

Jaicu: Triple the tax on ammunition. Quadruple even.


Why not just impose a murder tax?  That'd deter them, right?
 
2013-05-12 06:35:49 PM

ontariolightning: Canada had 578 homicides last year. U.S has more accidental gun deaths than Canada has homicides.
Just putting that into perspective.


The population of Canada is 29 Million people. Adjusting for population differences, that means an equivalent homicide rate of 5780 people each year.

Not that far off from the rate of gun homicides in the United States.

Just putting that in prospective for you.
 
2013-05-12 06:36:07 PM

ontariolightning: hardinparamedic:

The Population of the United States is 312.8 million people. According to the Centers for Disease Control, 0.2 in 100,000 deaths were caused by firearms accidents. That's 719 people, roughly.

By contrast, 26,000 people were killed by falls in 2010.

Canada had 578 homicides last year. U.S has more accidental gun deaths than Canada has homicides.
Just putting that into perspective.


so?  there are more Starbucks in America than there are in Canada.
Study it out.
 
2013-05-12 06:36:28 PM

Stone Meadow: No, checking links is not hard...I simply missed the word "accidents". Shiat happens.


I owe you an apology then. Sorry for snapping at you.
 
2013-05-12 06:38:18 PM

hardinparamedic: IlGreven: [sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net image 480x655]

[i.crackedcdn.com image 350x277]

But you say that's BEFORE Obama got elected! How dare you mislead me, RIght!

Nope. Gun-related killings dropped below 6,000 in 2011. 6000 people in a country of 311 Million people.

But please, tell me how it's JUST a gun problem.


...wait, you mean we got the crime problem under control, and yet people are still dying to guns?

/Keep marginalizing mass shootings. Soon enough you'll be a part of one.
 
2013-05-12 06:39:21 PM

hardinparamedic: ontariolightning: Canada had 578 homicides last year. U.S has more accidental gun deaths than Canada has homicides.
Just putting that into perspective.

The population of Canada is 29 Million people. Adjusting for population differences, that means an equivalent homicide rate of 5780 people each year.

Not that far off from the rate of gun homicides in the United States.

Just putting that in prospective for you.


34 million people.
 
2013-05-12 06:39:50 PM

LordJiro: Shiat. Copycats of the Tsarnaev brothers? Or unrelated lunatics? Either way, hope they get caught damn quickly.


hmm since it's in New Orleans and perps were 'dark skinned' males which is code word for African Americans I seriously doubt it's copycats. More like ghetto thugs with some beef to settle with rival gangs.
 
2013-05-12 06:40:19 PM

IlGreven: hardinparamedic: IlGreven: [sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net image 480x655]

[i.crackedcdn.com image 350x277]

But you say that's BEFORE Obama got elected! How dare you mislead me, RIght!

Nope. Gun-related killings dropped below 6,000 in 2011. 6000 people in a country of 311 Million people.

But please, tell me how it's JUST a gun problem.

...wait, you mean we got the crime problem under control, and yet people are still dying to guns?

/Keep marginalizing mass shootings. Soon enough you'll be a part of one.


Isn't gun violence down over 40% compared to the 1990s?
 
2013-05-12 06:40:21 PM
" Officers were interspersed with the marchers, which is routine for such events. "

 Human shields we used to call it.  There were some reporters embedded there too I imagine.
 
2013-05-12 06:40:27 PM

hardinparamedic: ontariolightning: Canada had 578 homicides last year. U.S has more accidental gun deaths than Canada has homicides.
Just putting that into perspective.

The population of Canada is 29 Million people. Adjusting for population differences, that means an equivalent homicide rate of 5780 people each year.


 34.5 million
not going to do the math, just correct the figure.
 
2013-05-12 06:40:32 PM

hardinparamedic: Arachnophobe: Just from a quick skim of that link you gave, it seems like the tax stamps are mainly provided to businesses? I'm starting to think it might be easier to just stick with the standard PS90. I suspect getting the ammunition for it will be enough of a hassle as it is.

I actually looked into getting a FiveseveN pistol because it is freaking tacticool, plus the frangible ammo won't penetrate drywall and still does horrible things to the human body. The JSP ammo available to civilians is like 50-70 dollars a box, and none of the ranges around here will let you shoot it because it'll go through their bullet stops. The problem is that everything but the jacketed soft point round is restricted to Military or Law Enforcement use under the NFA because they were specifically designed to penetrate modern body armor systems.

Arachnophobe: This was educational, thank you. I'd assumed it was semi-auto, I have absolutely no reason to even handle a full auto and wouldn't want one anyway. So if I really wanted to do it, I'd get the civilian and get a gunsmith to modify it.

Not a problem. I think that, at a certain point, it's considered a pistol once the gunsmith modifies it. That's how the Kriss Vector 45 can be sold legally in the United States without having a tax stamp.


Last I checked, the KRISS still has to have a 16 inch barrel or it gets classified as an SBR.
 
2013-05-12 06:41:16 PM

coeyagi: Oh dear lord.  Sure, you just keep believing that if the NRA isn't stoking the fire of fear in gun owners, that the guns and ammo will be flying off the shelves at the rate they've been.

Follow the money.


farking Gottschalks.

/Every day, John Brunner is shown to be more prescient
// The Jagged Orbit, in this case.  Read it, and the others.
 
2013-05-12 06:42:24 PM
tenpoundsofcheese:
so?  there are more Starbucks in America than there are in Canada.
Study it out.


I only know 5 people who regularly go to starbucks
 
2013-05-12 06:42:44 PM
 
2013-05-12 06:43:20 PM

IlGreven: ..wait, you mean we got the crime problem under control, and yet people are still dying to guns?

More people died from tripping on the threshold between the kitchen and the living room than died from a gun crime in 2012.

IlGreven: /Keep marginalizing mass shootings. Soon enough you'll be a part of one.


So you want me to get shot because I point out that it's not just a gun problem, but a problem with our culture and with out treatment of the poor and disadvantaged, and accuse me of "marginalizing" "mass shootings", because I don't fall into the bandwagon of Knee-jerk outrage over an event that you have more of a chance being struck by lightning than being involved in?

Yes. Mass shootings are horrific. Yes, they make me angry. Yes, people like Wayne LaPierre are complete and utter douchebags. But knee-jerk rhetoric and ignoring issues deeper than X Citizen with no history of mental or criminal problems might be allowed to own a gun doesn't help things either.

And neither does wishing someone who disagrees with you gets shot.

/and I've been in the middle a mass shooting, thank you.
 
2013-05-12 06:44:57 PM
Facts:,less people with less guns = less gun murders, gun accidents, gun suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by gunis a good thing or not is it?
 
2013-05-12 06:44:59 PM
Paging Dr. Freud... Dr. Sigmund Freud, please pick up the white courtesy phone... Paging Dr. Sigmund Freud, please answer your page at the white courtesy phone....
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-05-12 06:46:42 PM

simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?


Using the term "gun grabbers" without jest has become the latest term on the list that brands one as an instant idiot.
 
2013-05-12 06:46:42 PM

ontariolightning: Facts:,less people with less guns = less gun murders, gun accidents, gun suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by gunis a good thing or not is it?


And I'm sure there's no other way which Canada differs from the United States, like a generally culturally homogenous population, access to free medical and mental healthcare, better access to social support systems for the poor, and etc?
 
2013-05-12 06:46:53 PM

Slappajo: I'll just leave this here:   http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/10/americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-co n trol


Well, you've convinced me.

Only 11,078 gun homicide deaths in a year. Hardly worth farking mentioning, is it?
 
2013-05-12 06:48:06 PM

udhq: Noam Chimpsky: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 

Which is why, according to the second amendment, I am free to own all the fully automatic and shoulder-mounted anti-personnel/aircraft arms I desire.

Oh wait, turns out that right CAN BE and frequently IS infringed!


Yes. The 2nd Amendment, as written, hasn't been workable for many years. That is why I've been advocating for repeal/modification of the 2nd. It is only possible when we return to the original purpose of the Constitution. That means a working 10th Amendment whereby the states choose for themselves their own gun laws. No state would have gun laws as radically liberal as the 2nd allows. "Liberal" in the classical sense, not the ironic sense as it refers to the illiberal left.
 
2013-05-12 06:49:02 PM

luckyeddie: Slappajo: I'll just leave this here:   http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/10/americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-co n trol

Well, you've convinced me.

Only 11,078 gun homicide deaths in a year. Hardly worth farking mentioning, is it?


Nowhere near that, actually.

Once you take out suicides and Negligent Discharges, it's far closer to 6,000.
 
2013-05-12 06:49:28 PM

Noam Chimpsky: Yes. The 2nd Amendment, as written, hasn't been workable for many years. That is why I've been advocating for repeal/modification of the 2nd. It is only possible when we return to the original purpose of the Constitution. That means a working 10th Amendment whereby the states choose for themselves their own gun laws. No state would have gun laws as radically liberal as the 2nd allows. "Liberal" in the classical sense, not the ironic sense as it refers to the illiberal left.


Because the states have never abused their powers, right?

www.blackpast.org
 
2013-05-12 06:50:05 PM

Noam Chimpsky: udhq: Noam Chimpsky: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 

Which is why, according to the second amendment, I am free to own all the fully automatic and shoulder-mounted anti-personnel/aircraft arms I desire.

Oh wait, turns out that right CAN BE and frequently IS infringed!

Yes. The 2nd Amendment, as written, hasn't been workable for many years. That is why I've been advocating for repeal/modification of the 2nd. It is only possible when we return to the original purpose of the Constitution. That means a working 10th Amendment whereby the states choose for themselves their own gun laws. No state would have gun laws as radically liberal as the 2nd allows. "Liberal" in the classical sense, not the ironic sense as it refers to the illiberal left.


Good luck.

Until then, proposals like mine are about all you've got. Either come to the table and deal, or you don't get anything.
 
2013-05-12 06:50:14 PM

Noam Chimpsky: No state would have gun laws as radically liberal as the 2nd allows


I think most would, actually.

(Arizona, Alaska, the South, Vermont, New Hampshire, the West except for California....)
 
2013-05-12 06:50:57 PM

iq_in_binary: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]

Completely legal to purchase and own, actually. Depending on state and local laws, of course. But at the Federal level, it's just a $200 tax stamp.

That you didn't know that shows how uneducated you are on the subject.


img203.imageshack.us

Yes, yes it does. It's a shame that common sense and American law are often so far apart in this particular domain. Regardless, please help to educate me (genuine request). If you take the last few gun massacres, would it have been possible for that perpetrator (considering the city/state) to purchase hand grenades as easily as it was for them to purchase a gun? I guess that I'm asking if it's possible to legally purchase hand grenades without being subject to any sort of background check, and/or being asked WHY you require them.
 
2013-05-12 06:51:24 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-12 06:51:35 PM

Noam Chimpsky: udhq: Noam Chimpsky: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 

Which is why, according to the second amendment, I am free to own all the fully automatic and shoulder-mounted anti-personnel/aircraft arms I desire.

Oh wait, turns out that right CAN BE and frequently IS infringed!

Yes. The 2nd Amendment, as written, hasn't been workable for many years. That is why I've been advocating for repeal/modification of the 2nd. It is only possible when we return to the original purpose of the Constitution. That means a working 10th Amendment whereby the states choose for themselves their own gun laws. No state would have gun laws as radically liberal as the 2nd allows. "Liberal" in the classical sense, not the ironic sense as it refers to the illiberal left.


I'm not sure you understand what the "original purpose" of the Constitution was if that's what you think.

Hint: It wasn't about state sovereignty.
 
2013-05-12 06:51:40 PM

hardinparamedic: ontariolightning: Facts:,less people with less guns = less gun murders, gun accidents, gun suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by gunis a good thing or not is it?

And I'm sure there's no other way which Canada differs from the United States, like a generally culturally homogenous population, access to free medical and mental healthcare, better access to social support systems for the poor, and etc?


Are we limiting that to color?

Cause we have a province twice the size of Texas that has about 45% of the population who want out of Canada. They've even had terrorists groups spring up about it,
 
2013-05-12 06:52:11 PM

hardinparamedic: birdmanesq: Guns were involved in 2/3 of the homicides in 2011. And that omits suicides and accidents.

The point called from Beijing, and said hi.  It's not just a gun problem. It's a complex, multifactorial issue. The idea that you can distill it down to a gun problem is an insane attempt at hiding your head in the dirt.


And you're just saying that to avoid talking about doing anything about the guns.
You keep blaming everything but the guns.
You keep talking about everything but the guns.
You keep saying how much everything else needs to be regulated, but not the farking guns.

More people died from tripping on the threshold between the kitchen and the living room than died from a gun crime in 2012.

And again you keep making up shiat to avoid talking about reasonable gun legislation.  But then, no gun legislation is reasonable to you, is it?
 
2013-05-12 06:52:31 PM
FTFA:
I think what frustrates all of us is that the great culture of this city sometimes stumbles a bit

And this "bit" so far includes 1824 through 2013. But hey, any city can have an off century or two.
 
2013-05-12 06:52:43 PM

hardinparamedic: WippitGuud: Why are we suddenly harping on  accidental gun deaths? I'm pretty sure these gunshots weren't accidental.

Directly addressing an argument that  ontariolightning made about accidental gun deaths. Apparently, somehow in there I psychically called someone a troll, or something.

a_real_human_being: I have figured out a way to reduce my argument, in this debate, to its smallest possible form. I think this explains my position (and that of many other people), quite well:

[img189.imageshack.us image 480x410]

Actually, it's quite legal to own a block of C4, either if you have a Federal Explosives license, or if you have a tax stamp for each individual block of explosive you have - they count as a destructive device.


Okay, but surely they won't just give John Q. Public a federal explosives license just because he wants one. What about these "tax stamps"? Can John Q. Public walk into [INSERT APPROPRIATE ORGANIZATION NAME HERE] and say "Give me 20 tax stamps so I can buy 20 pieces of C4" and they say "Okay then" just as if he was buying regular stamps?
 
2013-05-12 06:52:59 PM

iq_in_binary: Noam Chimpsky: udhq: Noam Chimpsky: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 

Which is why, according to the second amendment, I am free to own all the fully automatic and shoulder-mounted anti-personnel/aircraft arms I desire.

Oh wait, turns out that right CAN BE and frequently IS infringed!

Yes. The 2nd Amendment, as written, hasn't been workable for many years. That is why I've been advocating for repeal/modification of the 2nd. It is only possible when we return to the original purpose of the Constitution. That means a working 10th Amendment whereby the states choose for themselves their own gun laws. No state would have gun laws as radically liberal as the 2nd allows. "Liberal" in the classical sense, not the ironic sense as it refers to the illiberal left.

Good luck.

Until then, proposals like mine are about all you've got. Either come to the table and deal, or you don't get anything.


Oh yeah, you ARE free to own what you just mentioned. But because that fact doesn't play into your narrative, you chose to ignore it completely.

Wait, these days that would make you a Republican.
 
2013-05-12 06:53:18 PM

Noam Chimpsky: No state would have gun laws as radically liberal as the 2nd allows.


Alabama:That every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state.  Art. I, § 26 (enacted 1819
Alaska:A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.  The individual right to keep and bear arms shall not be denied or infringed by the State or a political subdivision of the State.  Art. I, § 19
Arizona:The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the State shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain, or employ an armed body of men.  Art. II, § 26
Hawaii:A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.  Art. I, § 17 (enacted 1959).

Should I go on?
 
2013-05-12 06:54:04 PM

IlGreven: But then, no gun legislation is reasonable to you, is it?


And we could say the same thing about no gun restrictions being too unreasonable to advocates of gun control.....
 
2013-05-12 06:55:02 PM

hardinparamedic: ontariolightning: Facts:,less people with less guns = less gun murders, gun accidents, gun suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by gunis a good thing or not is it?

And I'm sure there's no other way which Canada differs from the United States, like a generally culturally homogenous population, access to free medical and mental healthcare, better access to social support systems for the poor, and etc?


you're calling Greater Toronto and Vancouver areas homogenous? Rofl. Shows you do not know shiat about Canada
 
2013-05-12 06:55:10 PM

a_real_human_being: iq_in_binary: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]

Completely legal to purchase and own, actually. Depending on state and local laws, of course. But at the Federal level, it's just a $200 tax stamp.

That you didn't know that shows how uneducated you are on the subject.

[img203.imageshack.us image 445x500]

Yes, yes it does. It's a shame that common sense and American law are often so far apart in this particular domain. Regardless, please help to educate me (genuine request). If you take the last few gun massacres, would it have been possible for that perpetrator (considering the city/state) to purchase hand grenades as easily as it was for them to purchase a gun? I guess that I'm asking if it's possible to legally purchase hand grenades without being subject to any sort of background check, and/or being asked WHY you require them.


You're talking to the guy that proposes expanding those very same laws to pretty much all semi-autos, so long as certain concessions are made.

You're so rabid about the subject you're even tearing into the people that are on your side.

Ironic that you would try and allude to my lack of education, even on this very subject.
 
2013-05-12 06:56:51 PM

luckyeddie: Slappajo: I'll just leave this here:   http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/10/americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-co n trol

Well, you've convinced me.

Only 11,078 gun homicide deaths in a year. Hardly worth farking mentioning, is it?


Actually, I was referring the bias mentioned in the article.  And statistically, no 11,078 gun homicide deaths is not worth mentioning.  Shiat happens.  People die everyday for one reason or another.  Thinking we can control all of them is completely delusional.
 
2013-05-12 06:58:17 PM
Gang Bangers and criminals use guns.....Terrorists are too cowardly for that, they use bombs,,,,
 
2013-05-12 06:59:07 PM

iq_in_binary: luckyeddie: Slappajo: I'll just leave this here:   http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/10/americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-co n trol

Well, you've convinced me.

Only 11,078 gun homicide deaths in a year. Hardly worth farking mentioning, is it?

Nowhere near that, actually.

Once you take out suicides and Negligent Discharges


No. If your side is counting farking tripping and falling, then we count gun suicides, negligent discharges, and every farking way a gun can be used to kill someone, accidental or not. Which means the number is <i>higher</i> than 11,000 gun deaths in a year. And I guarantee you more people trip and fall than they shoot a gun, on average.  If people died from tripping and falling at the same rate that they die from gunfire, I also guarantee you a lot more than 26,000 people would die from tripping and falling every year.
 
2013-05-12 07:00:08 PM

a_real_human_being: hardinparamedic: WippitGuud: Why are we suddenly harping on  accidental gun deaths? I'm pretty sure these gunshots weren't accidental.

Directly addressing an argument that  ontariolightning made about accidental gun deaths. Apparently, somehow in there I psychically called someone a troll, or something.

a_real_human_being: I have figured out a way to reduce my argument, in this debate, to its smallest possible form. I think this explains my position (and that of many other people), quite well:

[img189.imageshack.us image 480x410]

Actually, it's quite legal to own a block of C4, either if you have a Federal Explosives license, or if you have a tax stamp for each individual block of explosive you have - they count as a destructive device.

Okay, but surely they won't just give John Q. Public a federal explosives license just because he wants one. What about these "tax stamps"? Can John Q. Public walk into [INSERT APPROPRIATE ORGANIZATION NAME HERE] and say "Give me 20 tax stamps so I can buy 20 pieces of C4" and they say "Okay then" just as if he was buying regular stamps?


No, each stamp is subject to the same scrutiny individually.
 
2013-05-12 07:00:09 PM

iq_in_binary: a_real_human_being: iq_in_binary: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]

Completely legal to purchase and own, actually. Depending on state and local laws, of course. But at the Federal level, it's just a $200 tax stamp.

That you didn't know that shows how uneducated you are on the subject.

[img203.imageshack.us image 445x500]

Yes, yes it does. It's a shame that common sense and American law are often so far apart in this particular domain. Regardless, please help to educate me (genuine request). If you take the last few gun massacres, would it have been possible for that perpetrator (considering the city/state) to purchase hand grenades as easily as it was for them to purchase a gun? I guess that I'm asking if it's possible to legally purchase hand grenades without being subject to any sort of background check, and/or being asked WHY you require them.

You're talking to the guy that proposes expanding those very same laws to pretty much all semi-autos, so long as certain concessions are made.

You're so rabid about the subject you're even tearing into the people that are on your side.

Ironic that you would try and allude to my lack of education, even on this very subject.


img826.imageshack.us

Wow. I make a genuine request for information, after you snidely remarked at how uneducated I am on the subject, and you respond only with paranoid vitriol.

I think you have me confused with someone else. Not everyone on the internet is trying to troll you.

/"rabid"?
//lolwut
 
2013-05-12 07:01:16 PM

IlGreven: iq_in_binary: luckyeddie: Slappajo: I'll just leave this here:   http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/10/americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-co n trol

Well, you've convinced me.

Only 11,078 gun homicide deaths in a year. Hardly worth farking mentioning, is it?

Nowhere near that, actually.

Once you take out suicides and Negligent Discharges

No. If your side is counting farking tripping and falling, then we count gun suicides, negligent discharges, and every farking way a gun can be used to kill someone, accidental or not. Which means the number is <i>higher</i> than 11,000 gun deaths in a year. And I guarantee you more people trip and fall than they shoot a gun, on average.  If people died from tripping and falling at the same rate that they die from gunfire, I also guarantee you a lot more than 26,000 people would die from tripping and falling every year.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-05-12 07:01:22 PM
This is why I don't leave my house :(
 
2013-05-12 07:01:40 PM
Once again, the real victims of this mass shooting: Gun owners.
 
2013-05-12 07:01:42 PM

Slappajo: luckyeddie: Slappajo: I'll just leave this here:   http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/10/americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-co n trol

Well, you've convinced me.

Only 11,078 gun homicide deaths in a year. Hardly worth farking mentioning, is it?

Actually, I was referring the bias mentioned in the article.  And statistically, no 11,078 gun homicide deaths is not worth mentioning.  Shiat happens.  People die everyday for one reason or another.  Thinking we can control all of them is completely delusional.


Please stop using "accidents happen" to justify doing nothing.  Because as much as you deny it, that's exactly what you're doing.  And by doing nothing, you increase the chance that the "accident happens" to you.
 
2013-05-12 07:03:00 PM

Stone Meadow: So, are we to surmise then that the shooters were NOLA PD?


Only if the parade was trying to escape over a bridge towards Hammond.
 
2013-05-12 07:04:31 PM

ontariolightning: Facts:,less people with less guns = less gun murders, gun accidents, gun suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by gunis a good thing or not is it?


Facts:,less people with less pools = less pool murders, pool accidents, pool suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by pools is a good thing or not is it?
 
2013-05-12 07:04:31 PM

Infernalist: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.

You have amazingly low expectations.


Low expectations? No, I had very high expectation, being raised in New Orleans. We have Jazz, blues, voodoo, impossible political corruption, a truly evil police department... and then there is Mardi Gras. We are a very shallow people. In New Orleans, there is no tomorrow, only right now and nobody is allowed to mess with one's having fun, or else. I had expectations of many more shootings, and wonder why this is news. Oh wait, it's about Mother's Day. Yeah, that's news. We usually wait until after dark on Mother's Day to shoot folks  .
 
2013-05-12 07:05:51 PM

a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:


img195.imageshack.us

"People shouldn't be able to buy grenades because they're lousy for hunting and tend to obliterate your dinner or trophy, and they'll cause  way too much property damage for home defense."

Your argument against guns apparently sucks.
 
2013-05-12 07:06:21 PM

GUTSU: ontariolightning: Facts:,less people with less guns = less gun murders, gun accidents, gun suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by gunis a good thing or not is it?

Facts:,less people with less pools = less pool murders, pool accidents, pool suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by pools is a good thing or not is it?


pools were not invented to kill
 
2013-05-12 07:06:50 PM

daRog: [i.imgur.com image 639x304]


Fantasy weapon, your argument is invalid.
 
2013-05-12 07:09:15 PM

ontariolightning: GUTSU: ontariolightning: Facts:,less people with less guns = less gun murders, gun accidents, gun suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by gunis a good thing or not is it?

Facts:,less people with less pools = less pool murders, pool accidents, pool suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by pools is a good thing or not is it?

pools were not invented to kill


So people that get drowned aren't important to you, there deaths are somehow less worthy of your attention? Do you not care about all the children that die in pools each year?
 
2013-05-12 07:09:15 PM

ontariolightning: GUTSU: ontariolightning: Facts:,less people with less guns = less gun murders, gun accidents, gun suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by gunis a good thing or not is it?

Facts:,less people with less pools = less pool murders, pool accidents, pool suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by pools is a good thing or not is it?

pools were not invented to kill


Fun fact: Children are 100% more likely to die from a pool than a gun. Which is amazing considering that guns are weapons and pools are not. Clearly we have a pool problem in this country.

You want to protect children, don't you?
 
2013-05-12 07:10:06 PM

IlGreven: Slappajo: luckyeddie: Slappajo: I'll just leave this here:   http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/10/americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-co n trol

Well, you've convinced me.

Only 11,078 gun homicide deaths in a year. Hardly worth farking mentioning, is it?

Actually, I was referring the bias mentioned in the article.  And statistically, no 11,078 gun homicide deaths is not worth mentioning.  Shiat happens.  People die everyday for one reason or another.  Thinking we can control all of them is completely delusional.

Please stop using "accidents happen" to justify doing nothing.  Because as much as you deny it, that's exactly what you're doing.  And by doing nothing, you increase the chance that the "accident happens" to you.


I'm not saying "accidents happen."  I'm saying that instead of fighting over this and wasting time, money, and resources on something that is way down on the list of "how people die" we should focus more on the things that are actually killing the most people.  You know, more bang for your buck so to speak.

And if the "accident happens" to me, it does.  There's not a damn thing you or anyone else can do about it. Like I said before, you can't control everything.
 
2013-05-12 07:11:07 PM

Theaetetus: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]

"People shouldn't be able to buy grenades because they're lousy for hunting and tend to obliterate your dinner or trophy, and they'll cause  way too much property damage for home defense."

Your argument against guns apparently sucks.


Shoot a dear with an automatic assault rifle and see how well the meat turns out.
 
2013-05-12 07:11:34 PM

ontariolightning: Speaking of mass events killing people, what is gonna happen as the gun nuts march in DC with their weapons?


Nothing, a side note to someone that got in above you, lanza was a liberal who hated his mothers reactionary conservatism, so he killed her and went to a school where she didn't and had never worked and murdered a bunch of unrelated children, that's the story right now right? Is there a trial, or some other compendium of evidence? Of course not, the offender is already dead, no investigation necessary.

People walking in circles.
Wait, what's the current narrative again? I have such a hard time keeping up with the revisions, at least i know we've always been at war with east Asia.
 
2013-05-12 07:11:38 PM

Theaetetus: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]

"People shouldn't be able to buy grenades because they're lousy for hunting and tend to obliterate your dinner or trophy, and they'll cause  way too much property damage for home defense."

Your argument against guns apparently sucks.


Second Amendment isn't about hunting, nice try Fudd. And it's not exclusively about home defense either. It's about defending yourself from tyranny. If the government is coming for you then you should be allowed by the Second Amendment to lob as many grenades as you can at the fascists.

Your argument against the Second Amendment apparently sucks.
 
2013-05-12 07:12:57 PM

Theaetetus: "People shouldn't be able to buy grenades because they're lousy for hunting and tend to obliterate your dinner or trophy, and they'll cause way too much property damage for home defense."


Actually that sounds more like an argument for why people shouldn't WANT to buy grenades. Whereas I was talking about why they shouldn't be ALLOWED TO.
 
2013-05-12 07:13:12 PM

Frank N Stein: ontariolightning: GUTSU: ontariolightning: Facts:,less people with less guns = less gun murders, gun accidents, gun suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by gunis a good thing or not is it?

Facts:,less people with less pools = less pool murders, pool accidents, pool suicides. Less people dying or getting injured by pools is a good thing or not is it?

pools were not invented to kill

Fun fact: Children are 100% more likely to die from a pool than a gun. Which is amazing considering that guns are weapons and pools are not. Clearly we have a pool problem in this country.

You want to protect children, don't you?


You mean like putting a cover on a pool when you don't use it?
 
2013-05-12 07:13:49 PM

flamingboard: Theaetetus: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]

"People shouldn't be able to buy grenades because they're lousy for hunting and tend to obliterate your dinner or trophy, and they'll cause  way too much property damage for home defense."

Your argument against guns apparently sucks.

Shoot a dear with an automatic assault rifle and see how well the meat turns out.


I wasn't aware that the 2nd amendment was for hunting, seeing how it isn't mentioned. Thank you for informing me of this well hidden secret.
 
2013-05-12 07:14:14 PM

a_real_human_being: iq_in_binary: a_real_human_being: iq_in_binary: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]

Completely legal to purchase and own, actually. Depending on state and local laws, of course. But at the Federal level, it's just a $200 tax stamp.

That you didn't know that shows how uneducated you are on the subject.

[img203.imageshack.us image 445x500]

Yes, yes it does. It's a shame that common sense and American law are often so far apart in this particular domain. Regardless, please help to educate me (genuine request). If you take the last few gun massacres, would it have been possible for that perpetrator (considering the city/state) to purchase hand grenades as easily as it was for them to purchase a gun? I guess that I'm asking if it's possible to legally purchase hand grenades without being subject to any sort of background check, and/or being asked WHY you require them.

You're talking to the guy that proposes expanding those very same laws to pretty much all semi-autos, so long as certain concessions are made.

You're so rabid about the subject you're even tearing into the people that are on your side.

Ironic that you would try and allude to my lack of education, even on this very subject.

[img826.imageshack.us image 500x299]

Wow. I make a genuine request for information, after you snidely remarked at how uneducated I am on the subject, and you respond only with paranoid vitriol.

I think you have me confused with someone else. Not everyone on the internet is trying to troll you.

/"rabid"?
//lolwut


Sorry.

No, you're not going to own anything controlled by the NFA without a background check, this includes grenades, grenade launchers, machine guns (legal), suppressors (also known in Hollywood as "Silencers," also legal in 38 states), Anti Material and Anti Aircraft guns (yes, legal). You're not going to go into a store and buy a gun without one. You're not going to walk into a gun show and purchase one without a background check either, so the whole "gun show loophole" talking point needs to be taken out back and shot.

The only way you're getting a gun without a background check is either through theft or through straw purchases, both are already illegal. I'm actually a proponent for and would fight hard to enable a NICS system available to the public. Make it a smartphone app, even. I'm also a proponent for purchase limits, say 1 handgun a month. That could very easily be built into the NICS system. Rifles aren't really problem guns in this country as far as crime is concerned, I don't see why we should have purchase limits for them, but if we have to have one to assuage the people's concerns, fine, say 3 rifles a month. THAT right there would clear up the straw purchase problem. It simply makes it too much effort to make money doing it. You no longer have the capability to go buy a dozen handguns and sell them out of the back of your car for a quick turn around.

As far as the mass shootings are concerned, tie in a reporting system to include serious mental health issues, allow reports to be filed by healthcare and social services personnel. Allow for an inspection, and allow for confiscation if the inspection is failed. Fine with that too, so long as there are extremely stringent guidelines for what constitutes a failed inspection, I do not want to hear about a confiscation because a single guy kept a .38 in his nightstand.

Those are all steps that would actually work, as in they would curb gun violence and help stop mass shootings. Another AWB would not.
 
2013-05-12 07:14:25 PM

you are a puppet: hardinparamedic: LookForTheArrow: YOURE THE ONE SUGGESTING WE BAN GUNS. SMART PEOPLE ARE SUGGESTING WE CONTROL THEM, JERKFACE

you are a puppet: Whoa, there are people trying to ban all the guns? And blatantly even?

You haven't been on FARK in the past several weeks, have you?

People like  ontariolightning are just as bad as people who act like anyone talking regulation means Obummer is gonna march in and jackboot their throats while they take their guns.

I've been on almost every day. So a guy named ontariolightning is trying to ban all the guns? Sounds like a Canadian. Any Americans? Any politicians or political groups trying to blatantly ban all the guns, anyone of note, any proposed legislation to ban all the guns, or just a Canadian guy on the internet?


I want to ban all guns, sir. /)
 
2013-05-12 07:14:31 PM

flamingboard: Shoot a dear with an automatic assault rifle and see how well the meat turns out.


77/10 pretty good troll
 
2013-05-12 07:14:40 PM

flamingboard: Theaetetus: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

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"People shouldn't be able to buy grenades because they're lousy for hunting and tend to obliterate your dinner or trophy, and they'll cause  way too much property damage for home defense."

Your argument against guns apparently sucks.

Shoot a dear with an automatic assault rifle and see how well the meat turns out.


What's a dear?
 
2013-05-12 07:15:41 PM

coeyagi: Nabb1: coeyagi: Nabb1: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.

Local reports seem to indicate one gang member shooting at another in a crowd and hitting just about everyone else but the guy he wanted to shoot. But, hey, political circle jerk.

Don't worry, your status quo of thousands dead per year will be maintained.  The NRA has bought everyone up, fear not, patriot.

I'm sure that if the Senate's background check bill had passed, gun violence in New Orleans would be drastically reduced, especially considering that all licensed gun dealers in Louisiana already do them.

Facepalm.  Yes, if it doesn't solve EVERY crime, it isn't worth doing.  Mrs. Edelstein called, she wants to change your 4th grade civics grade from a C to an F.


Spend a decade in the old city. Pick any neighborhood in New Orleans. Then get back with me on this. You live in "America", a much safer place than New Orleans. It ain't Detroit, but it has it's own otherworldly environment. In New Orleans, violence is expected, guns or no guns. We're not just shallow, we get creative about violence when the humidity matches the summer temperatures.
 
2013-05-12 07:17:33 PM
Almost 500 comments into a mass shooting thread and nobody's blamed the Tea Party yet?

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2013-05-12 07:18:25 PM
Seems that people seem to forget that intermediate calibers on relatively accurate rifles are good for hunting.

Oops.
 
2013-05-12 07:18:27 PM
Frank N Stein:

Fun fact: Children are 100% more likely to die from a pool than a gun. Which is amazing considering that guns are weapons and pools are not. Clearly we have a pool problem in this country.

You want to protect children, don't you?


Pools were not made for the purpose to maim. Your argument is no different than "if gays can marry then so should humans be legal to marry animals. It's reactionary to the reactionary and ill thought out
 
2013-05-12 07:19:19 PM
I'm sure that the shooters were otherwise law-abiding citizens with current state-issued concealed carry permits, and the enaction of more restrictive gun laws would have served to deter them from shooting up this parade.
 
2013-05-12 07:20:08 PM
maybe it was one of those 3-D printed guns?
 
2013-05-12 07:20:35 PM

GilRuiz1: Almost 500 comments into a mass shooting thread and nobody's blamed the Tea Party yet?


Why would they?
 
2013-05-12 07:21:00 PM

Ghastly: Second Amendment isn't about hunting, nice try Fudd. And it's not exclusively about home defense either. It's about defending yourself from tyranny. If the government is coming for you then you should be allowed by the Second Amendment to lob as many grenades as you can at the fascists.


Not sure if serious.
 
2013-05-12 07:21:02 PM

flamingboard: Theaetetus: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

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"People shouldn't be able to buy grenades because they're lousy for hunting and tend to obliterate your dinner or trophy, and they'll cause  way too much property damage for home defense."

Your argument against guns apparently sucks.

Shoot a dear with an automatic assault rifle and see how well the meat turns out.


You can't go into a gun store and walk out with an automatic assault rifle, no matter how much you try and pass that myth off it doesn't change the fact that it NEVER HAPPENS. The only way you're getting your hands on an automatic assault rifle is with a thorough background check, and investigation into your character by the local CLEO, surrendering your fourth amendment rights, sending in fingerprint cards, and getting approved by BATFE to own it via the NFA tax stamp process.

There are thousands upon thousands of homes with NFA weapons in this country and not a single one of those NFA controlled weapons has been used in a crime. Ever. Never ever. Not since the establishment of the NFA.

So you can take this bullshiat rhetoric that you can go buy an automatic assault rifle at the local gun shop and go take a flying fark at a rolling donut.
 
2013-05-12 07:21:37 PM

ontariolightning: Frank N Stein:

Fun fact: Children are 100% more likely to die from a pool than a gun. Which is amazing considering that guns are weapons and pools are not. Clearly we have a pool problem in this country.

You want to protect children, don't you?

Pools were not made for the purpose to maim. Your argument is no different than "if gays can marry then so should humans be legal to marry animals. It's reactionary to the reactionary and ill thought out


The intent of the tool is irrelevant.  That's a fun fact for you.  Especially when it's spelled out in the Constitution.
 
2013-05-12 07:22:10 PM

iq_in_binary: Sorry.

No, you're not going to own anything controlled by the NFA without a background check, this includes grenades, grenade launchers, machine guns (legal), suppressors (also known in Hollywood as "Silencers," also legal in 38 states), Anti Material and Anti Aircraft guns (yes, legal). You're not going to go into a store and buy a gun without one. You're not going to walk into a gun show and purchase one without a background check either, so the whole "gun show loophole" talking point needs to be taken out back and shot.

The only way you're getting a gun without a background check is either through theft or through straw purchases, both are already illegal.


Thank you for the information.
 
2013-05-12 07:22:35 PM

Ghastly: Theaetetus: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

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"People shouldn't be able to buy grenades because they're lousy for hunting and tend to obliterate your dinner or trophy, and they'll cause  way too much property damage for home defense."

Your argument against guns apparently sucks.

Second Amendment isn't about hunting, nice try Fudd. And it's not exclusively about home defense either. It's about defending yourself from tyranny. If the government is coming for you then you should be allowed by the Second Amendment to lob as many grenades as you can at the fascists.

Your argument against the Second Amendment apparently sucks.


You may be misreading my post: I never made an argument about the Second Amendment. I was simply responding to the poster as requested.
Your apology is graciously accepted.
 
2013-05-12 07:23:12 PM

Mugato: GilRuiz1: Almost 500 comments into a mass shooting thread and nobody's blamed the Tea Party yet?

Why would they?


To feed their insatiable persecution complex of course!

Everyone knows that there isn't a group more persecuted in this country than the Tea Party. Fox News told me so.

The poor delicate flowers...
 
2013-05-12 07:24:08 PM
ronaprhys:
The intent of the tool is irrelevant.  That's a fun fact for you.  Especially when it's spelled out in the Constitution.

How is the intent irrelevant? It's always about intent in criminal law.
 
2013-05-12 07:24:23 PM

Mrtraveler01: Mugato: GilRuiz1: Almost 500 comments into a mass shooting thread and nobody's blamed the Tea Party yet?

Why would they?

To feed their insatiable persecution complex of course!

Everyone knows that there isn't a group more persecuted in this country than the Tea Party. Fox News told me so.

The poor delicate flowers...


Really? I don't watch Fox News, but I find it kind of hard to believe they'd claim that the Tea Party is the most persecuted group in the US.
 
2013-05-12 07:24:56 PM

Ghastly: Theaetetus: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]

"People shouldn't be able to buy grenades because they're lousy for hunting and tend to obliterate your dinner or trophy, and they'll cause  way too much property damage for home defense."

Your argument against guns apparently sucks.

Second Amendment isn't about hunting, nice try Fudd. And it's not exclusively about home defense either. It's about defending yourself from tyranny. If the government is coming for you then you should be allowed by the Second Amendment to lob as many grenades as you can at the fascists.

Your argument against the Second Amendment apparently sucks.


GUTSU: flamingboard: Theaetetus: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]

"People shouldn't be able to buy grenades because they're lousy for hunting and tend to obliterate your dinner or trophy, and they'll cause  way too much property damage for home defense."

Your argument against guns apparently sucks.

Shoot a dear with an automatic assault rifle and see how well the meat turns out.

I wasn't aware that the 2nd amendment was for hunting, seeing how it isn't mentioned. Thank you for informing me of this well hidden secret.


Well that's technically correct; but since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.

IRT tyranny that is a nice theory, but our 'well armed militia' would have lost the war without the weapons, gunpowder, (read one study that said the colonies got 90% of their gunpowder from France) uniforms, etc. provided by France and other sympathetic (or just wanting to f*ck England) countries.

If a 'well armed population is a polite population', what's wrong with they USA then?
 
2013-05-12 07:26:14 PM

ontariolightning: ronaprhys:
The intent of the tool is irrelevant.  That's a fun fact for you.  Especially when it's spelled out in the Constitution.

How is the intent irrelevant? It's always about intent in criminal law.


Let's see here - over-extrapolation FTMFW!

Try again.
 
2013-05-12 07:26:36 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Mrtraveler01: Mugato: GilRuiz1: Almost 500 comments into a mass shooting thread and nobody's blamed the Tea Party yet?

Why would they?

To feed their insatiable persecution complex of course!

Everyone knows that there isn't a group more persecuted in this country than the Tea Party. Fox News told me so.

The poor delicate flowers...

Really? I don't watch Fox News, but I find it kind of hard to believe they'd claim that the Tea Party is the most persecuted group in the US.


True.

They just biatch at how the MSM media is against them and that the America that they know and love is dying.

Then they have the daily feature on who is being mean to the Tea Party today.

For a group that likes to talk shiat about liberals and basically anyone who disagrees with them, they got thin skin when it comes to people criticizing them.
 
2013-05-12 07:27:22 PM

Gleeman: since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.


The Colonists also went to war with cannons and carronades, so, no, it's not a reasonable limitation to assume.
 
2013-05-12 07:28:06 PM

Gleeman: Ghastly: Theaetetus: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

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"People shouldn't be able to buy grenades because they're lousy for hunting and tend to obliterate your dinner or trophy, and they'll cause  way too much property damage for home defense."

Your argument against guns apparently sucks.

Second Amendment isn't about hunting, nice try Fudd. And it's not exclusively about home defense either. It's about defending yourself from tyranny. If the government is coming for you then you should be allowed by the Second Amendment to lob as many grenades as you can at the fascists.

Your argument against the Second Amendment apparently sucks.

GUTSU: flamingboard: Theaetetus: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]

"People shouldn't be able to buy grenades because they're lousy for hunting and tend to obliterate your dinner or trophy, and they'll cause  way too much property damage for home defense."

Your argument against guns apparently sucks.

Shoot a dear with an automatic assault rifle and see how well the meat turns out.

I wasn't aware that the 2nd amendment was for hunting, seeing how it isn't mentioned. Thank you for informing me of this well hidden secret.

Well that's technically correct; but since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.

IRT tyranny that is a nice theory, but our 'well armed militia' would have lost the war without the weapons, gunpowder, (read one study that said the colonies got 90% of their gunpowder from France) uniforms, etc. provided by France and other sympathetic (or just wanting to f*ck England) countrie ...


My question is that if it's my Constitutional right to buy a hand grenade, how come the SC hasn't struck down any laws that regulate the purchase of them?
 
2013-05-12 07:28:26 PM

Gleeman: Ghastly: Theaetetus: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

If a 'well armed population is a polite population', what's wrong with they USA then?


Compare the murder rates of rural areas to urban areas. There is an entire world of difference.
 
2013-05-12 07:29:09 PM

Gleeman: Well that's technically correct; but since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.


Huh? There were mines, mortars, cannons, semiauto rifles even.

Now, this was also a period of time where the military lagged decades behind the private sector in terms of weapons technology, but they existed.
 
2013-05-12 07:30:29 PM

Gleeman: what's wrong with they USA then?



We've created a culture where "it's not my fault" and "the world owes me a living".
 
2013-05-12 07:31:28 PM

Theaetetus: Gleeman: since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.

The Colonists also went to war with cannons and carronades, so, no, it's not a reasonable limitation to assume.


Your average Colonist kept a cannon/carronade in their cabin?
 
2013-05-12 07:31:38 PM

Mrtraveler01: Gleeman: Ghastly: Theaetetus: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]

"People shouldn't be able to buy grenades because they're lousy for hunting and tend to obliterate your dinner or trophy, and they'll cause  way too much property damage for home defense."

Your argument against guns apparently sucks.

Second Amendment isn't about hunting, nice try Fudd. And it's not exclusively about home defense either. It's about defending yourself from tyranny. If the government is coming for you then you should be allowed by the Second Amendment to lob as many grenades as you can at the fascists.

Your argument against the Second Amendment apparently sucks.

GUTSU: flamingboard: Theaetetus: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]

"People shouldn't be able to buy grenades because they're lousy for hunting and tend to obliterate your dinner or trophy, and they'll cause  way too much property damage for home defense."

Your argument against guns apparently sucks.

Shoot a dear with an automatic assault rifle and see how well the meat turns out.

I wasn't aware that the 2nd amendment was for hunting, seeing how it isn't mentioned. Thank you for informing me of this well hidden secret.

Well that's technically correct; but since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.

IRT tyranny that is a nice theory, but our 'well armed militia' would have lost the war without the weapons, gunpowder, (read one study that said the colonies got 90% of their gunpowder from France) uniforms, etc. provided by France and other sympathetic (or just wanting to f*ck England) ...


Because there are no prohibitions on them, just strict controls.

Things like the AWB and the Hughes amendment, however, would be struck down in todays SC if challenged.
 
2013-05-12 07:32:19 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Really? I don't watch Fox News, but I find it kind of hard to believe they'd claim that the Tea Party is the most persecuted group in the US.


Well we are talking about Fox News, the #1 highest rated TV news source that constantly goes on about the right being persecuted by the "mainstream media". Projection is not foreign to them.
 
2013-05-12 07:33:01 PM

Gleeman: Theaetetus: Gleeman: since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.

The Colonists also went to war with cannons and carronades, so, no, it's not a reasonable limitation to assume.

Your average Colonist kept a cannon/carronade in their cabin?


Not the average colonist - but if the colonist had money, there were no real restrictions.
 
2013-05-12 07:33:03 PM

iq_in_binary: Mrtraveler01: Gleeman: Ghastly: Theaetetus: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]

"People shouldn't be able to buy grenades because they're lousy for hunting and tend to obliterate your dinner or trophy, and they'll cause  way too much property damage for home defense."

Your argument against guns apparently sucks.

Second Amendment isn't about hunting, nice try Fudd. And it's not exclusively about home defense either. It's about defending yourself from tyranny. If the government is coming for you then you should be allowed by the Second Amendment to lob as many grenades as you can at the fascists.

Your argument against the Second Amendment apparently sucks.

GUTSU: flamingboard: Theaetetus: a_real_human_being: Actually, I think grenades are a better comparison item than C4. Revised argument:

[img195.imageshack.us image 492x559]

"People shouldn't be able to buy grenades because they're lousy for hunting and tend to obliterate your dinner or trophy, and they'll cause  way too much property damage for home defense."

Your argument against guns apparently sucks.

Shoot a dear with an automatic assault rifle and see how well the meat turns out.

I wasn't aware that the 2nd amendment was for hunting, seeing how it isn't mentioned. Thank you for informing me of this well hidden secret.

Well that's technically correct; but since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.

IRT tyranny that is a nice theory, but our 'well armed militia' would have lost the war without the weapons, gunpowder, (read one study that said the colonies got 90% of their gunpowder from France) uniforms, etc. provided by France and other sympathetic (or just wanting to ...


I'm not a fan of bans either and think that strengthening background checks is a more effective way to handle it instead of a full on ban.
 
2013-05-12 07:33:49 PM
Mrtraveler01:
My question is that if it's my Constitutional right to buy a hand grenade, how come the SC hasn't struck down any laws that regulate the purchase of them?When was the last case they heard involving purchase of hand grenades? Or are you suggesting they should just start striking down laws they don't like without a case to hear? Have you ever  read the Constitution?
 
2013-05-12 07:34:43 PM
Injury count now up to 18 according to WDSU.
 
2013-05-12 07:34:58 PM

Mugato: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Really? I don't watch Fox News, but I find it kind of hard to believe they'd claim that the Tea Party is the most persecuted group in the US.

Well we are talking about Fox News, the #1 highest rated TV news source that constantly goes on about the right being persecuted by the "mainstream media". Projection is not foreign to them.


Yeah. After you're out of the loop for a while, you kind of lose sight of how batshiat insane that network is.
 
2013-05-12 07:34:58 PM

Gleeman: Theaetetus: Gleeman: since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.

The Colonists also went to war with cannons and carronades, so, no, it's not a reasonable limitation to assume.

Your average Colonist kept a cannon/carronade in their cabin?


Your average Colonist who commanded a vessel that became a Navy vessel against the English did. Probably a pair of long 14s.
 
2013-05-12 07:35:18 PM
 
2013-05-12 07:35:51 PM

Theaetetus: Mrtraveler01:
My question is that if it's my Constitutional right to buy a hand grenade, how come the SC hasn't struck down any laws that regulate the purchase of them?When was the last case they heard involving purchase of hand grenades? Or are you suggesting they should just start striking down laws they don't like without a case to hear? Have you ever  read the Constitution?


So how come no one has challenged the laws restricting hand grenade purchases if people think they are unconstitutional?
 
2013-05-12 07:36:23 PM

Iplaybass: It's a complex, multifactorial issue that could be halted significantly with tightened gun laws. But no, you retards are too stupid to see that. Despite the fact that it's worked elsewhere.


How's it working in South Africa?
 
2013-05-12 07:37:26 PM

flamingboard: Shoot a dear with an automatic assault rifle and see how well the meat turns out.


Shoot it? You can't even spell it!
 
2013-05-12 07:38:11 PM
Next time a guy wants to join your krewe, let the poor bastard join.

Mothers, let this be a lesson. Teach your children how to use and carry civilian models of military rifles. Nancy Lanza followed this approach and it worked out well for her.
 
2013-05-12 07:38:13 PM

Gleeman: Theaetetus: Gleeman: since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.

The Colonists also went to war with cannons and carronades, so, no, it's not a reasonable limitation to assume.

Your average Colonist kept a cannon/carronade in their cabin?


Not generally. But I already know what argument you're trying to make and it's just as invalid.

During the time of the framers, and pretty much all the way up to and including the majority of the 20th century, military small arms technology lagged far behind that of the small arms technology available to the American citizenry. The Army was stuck with percussion cap rifles for almost 40 years after the introduction of brass cartridge ammunition. Private militias and armies were almost universally better equipped than their Union or Confederate counterparts during the Revolutionary and Civil wars.

Being as how the second amendment focused on small arms, I think your point is moot.
 
2013-05-12 07:39:30 PM

WeenerGord: Iplaybass: It's a complex, multifactorial issue that could be halted significantly with tightened gun laws. But no, you retards are too stupid to see that. Despite the fact that it's worked elsewhere.

How's it working in South Africa?


Don't you know places like Arizona and Texas are war zones? Bandits riding gigantic semi-fully automatic rifles with teflon coated wheels raping women, and trading depleted uranium rounds as currency?
 
2013-05-12 07:39:45 PM

Mrtraveler01: Theaetetus: Mrtraveler01:
My question is that if it's my Constitutional right to buy a hand grenade, how come the SC hasn't struck down any laws that regulate the purchase of them?When was the last case they heard involving purchase of hand grenades? Or are you suggesting they should just start striking down laws they don't like without a case to hear? Have you ever  read the Constitution?

So how come no one has challenged the laws restricting hand grenade purchases if people think they are unconstitutional?


How come no one has challenged the Alabama law against playing dominoes on Sunday when it's clearly unconstitutional? Maybe people aren't bored enough to go around challenging stupid laws that are hardly ever applied? There's no National Hand Grenade Association, you'll notice.
 
2013-05-12 07:40:19 PM

iq_in_binary: Gleeman: Theaetetus: Gleeman: since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.

The Colonists also went to war with cannons and carronades, so, no, it's not a reasonable limitation to assume.

Your average Colonist kept a cannon/carronade in their cabin?

Not generally. But I already know what argument you're trying to make and it's just as invalid.

During the time of the framers, and pretty much all the way up to and including the majority of the 20th century, military small arms technology lagged far behind that of the small arms technology available to the American citizenry. The Army was stuck with percussion cap rifles for almost 40 years after the introduction of brass cartridge ammunition. Private militias and armies were almost universally better equipped than their Union or Confederate counterparts during the Revolutionary and Civil wars.

Being as how the second amendment focused on small arms, I think your point is moot.


Well I was replying to the posters who thought the 'responsible' public should be able to own grenades or whatever weapon they want. Well regulated, how does it work?

/also sorta bored
 
2013-05-12 07:40:43 PM
Gosh, I guess every single one of the cops was unarmed; otherwise, all NRA supporters are full of shiat.

I've got a truism that is absolute, as opposed to the lies coming from the NRA filth.  The only thing shopping someone with a gun from shooting someone else is having no ammunition.
 
2013-05-12 07:41:10 PM

Theaetetus: Mrtraveler01: Theaetetus: Mrtraveler01:
My question is that if it's my Constitutional right to buy a hand grenade, how come the SC hasn't struck down any laws that regulate the purchase of them?When was the last case they heard involving purchase of hand grenades? Or are you suggesting they should just start striking down laws they don't like without a case to hear? Have you ever  read the Constitution?

So how come no one has challenged the laws restricting hand grenade purchases if people think they are unconstitutional?

How come no one has challenged the Alabama law against playing dominoes on Sunday when it's clearly unconstitutional? Maybe people aren't bored enough to go around challenging stupid laws that are hardly ever applied? There's no National Hand Grenade Association, you'll notice.


But that's my point.

How can one say that a law restricting hand grenade purchases is unconstitutional if even the SC hasn't had a say in it?
 
2013-05-12 07:43:14 PM

rosebud_the_sled: Gosh, I guess every single one of the cops was unarmed; otherwise, all NRA supporters are full of shiat.

I've got a truism that is absolute, as opposed to the lies coming from the NRA filth.  The only thing shopping someone with a gun from shooting someone else is having no ammunition.


Why would someone shop someone else?
 
2013-05-12 07:43:29 PM
Gleeman:
Well I was replying to the posters who thought the 'responsible' public should be able to own grenades or whatever weapon they want. Well regulated, how does it work?

/also sorta bored


You're comparing explosives to firearms. Explosives aren't discriminatory, while firearms are.

Personally I have no problem with people owning explosives, but I don't believe they can be used for self-defense. Bullets typically don't have a 15m radius of instant death.
 
2013-05-12 07:45:15 PM

Mrtraveler01: Theaetetus: Mrtraveler01: Theaetetus: Mrtraveler01:
My question is that if it's my Constitutional right to buy a hand grenade, how come the SC hasn't struck down any laws that regulate the purchase of them?When was the last case they heard involving purchase of hand grenades? Or are you suggesting they should just start striking down laws they don't like without a case to hear? Have you ever  read the Constitution?

So how come no one has challenged the laws restricting hand grenade purchases if people think they are unconstitutional?

How come no one has challenged the Alabama law against playing dominoes on Sunday when it's clearly unconstitutional? Maybe people aren't bored enough to go around challenging stupid laws that are hardly ever applied? There's no National Hand Grenade Association, you'll notice.

But that's my point.

How can one say that a law restricting hand grenade purchases is unconstitutional if even the SC hasn't had a say in it?


Saying a law is unConstitutional is easy. It involves no more than the vocal cords moving in patterns very similar to everyday speech.

As to the point that you incorrectly called out, based on general legal precepts, one can point to reasons why a law appears to be unConstitutional.  Kind of like the Patriot Act, SOPA, or any other myriad of laws out there.
 
2013-05-12 07:48:05 PM

Gleeman: iq_in_binary: Gleeman: Theaetetus: Gleeman: since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.

The Colonists also went to war with cannons and carronades, so, no, it's not a reasonable limitation to assume.

Your average Colonist kept a cannon/carronade in their cabin?

Not generally. But I already know what argument you're trying to make and it's just as invalid.

During the time of the framers, and pretty much all the way up to and including the majority of the 20th century, military small arms technology lagged far behind that of the small arms technology available to the American citizenry. The Army was stuck with percussion cap rifles for almost 40 years after the introduction of brass cartridge ammunition. Private militias and armies were almost universally better equipped than their Union or Confederate counterparts during the Revolutionary and Civil wars.

Being as how the second amendment focused on small arms, I think your point is moot.

Well I was replying to the posters who thought the 'responsible' public should be able to own grenades or whatever weapon they want. Well regulated, how does it work?

/also sorta bored


The "responsible" public already does.

There are thousands upon thousands of grenades, grenade launchers, machine guns, machine pistols, anti aircraft guns, anti material rifles, etc. in the hands of the American public.

Find me one that has been used in a crime since the passing of the NFA. I won't wait, because you can't.

That there in lies the crux of the problem. Gun Control works, the NFA. Prohibition does not, the AWB didn't do a damn thing to keep Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold from shooting at my cousins in Columbine.

When the debate on the subject starts with those basic facts being recognized, there will be progress. Until then it's just going to be a crap show.
 
2013-05-12 07:48:14 PM

Gleeman: no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776


upload.wikimedia.org

myliteraryquest.files.wordpress.com

:=)
 
2013-05-12 07:48:15 PM

coeyagi: iq_in_binary: coeyagi: super_grass: coeyagi: Dimensio: Nabb1: EVERYBODY PANIC: Hey, that's my hometown. Only a dozen injured? And this is news? Meh.

Local reports seem to indicate one gang member shooting at another in a crowd and hitting just about everyone else but the guy he wanted to shoot. But, hey, political circle jerk.

Gun rights advocates remain hopeful that some of the injured will eventually die so the NRA can go on the defensive and drive gun sales.

FTFY

That makes zero sense. If what you said was true then gun sales would jump after every local gangland drive-by.

Gun sales jumped after the shootings because suddenly politicians and news networks started talking about gun control. People decided to guy guns before it becomes harder/more expensive to do so.

It's the Streisand effect, not some NRA conspiracy.

Oh dear lord.  Sure, you just keep believing that if the NRA isn't stoking the fire of fear in gun owners, that the guns and ammo will be flying off the shelves at the rate they've been.

Follow the money.

1) Tragedy.
2) Call for gun control.
3) NRA stokes fear.
4) People buy guns / ammo.
5) More money in gun manufacturers' pockets.
6) More money to go to the NRA from gun manufacturers.

I am not saying they would do this, but given that model, it would be in the best financial interest of everyone if the NRA just armed all the school children it could.  But I am SURE they haven't every suggested anything remotely similar to that before...

That you think the NRA is funded by gun manufacturers shows just how little you know about the subject.

Now, I'm not saying that the whole fear stoking cycle doesn't exist--it is obvious that it does--but to say that it is some grand conspiracy on the part of gun manufacturers is wholly ignorant and just as desperately conspiratorial as the Alex Jones crowd tends to be.

The NRA is funded by dues, even the NRA-ILA's lobbying is funded almost entirely by member dues.

Yeah, you're actually wrong there chief ...


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2013-05-12 07:51:21 PM

The_Sponge: Gleeman: what's wrong with they USA then?


We've created a culture where "it's not my fault" and "the world owes me a living".


You forgot "i'm special."
 
2013-05-12 07:54:37 PM
Since I've been president, this is the fourth FIFTH time we have come together to comfort a grieving community torn apart by mass shootings, fourth FIFTH time we've hugged survivors, the fourth FIFTH time we've consoled the families of victims.

Charlotte, Daniel, Olivia, Josephine, Ana, Dylan, Madeline, Catherine, Chase, Jesse, James, Grace, Emilie, Jack, Noah, Caroline, Jessica, Benjamin, Avielle, Allison, God has called them all home.


It's all about "MAH RIGHTS"!!1!  That and Wayne LaPierre selling new memberships, bumper stickers, tote bags, padded gun rests...
 
2013-05-12 07:54:38 PM

ronaprhys: ontariolightning: ronaprhys:
The intent of the tool is irrelevant.  That's a fun fact for you.  Especially when it's spelled out in the Constitution.

How is the intent irrelevant? It's always about intent in criminal law.

Let's see here - over-extrapolation FTMFW!

Try again.


You are attempting to discuss with an individual who claims that the existence of the National Firearms Act is "NRA propaganda" and that fully automatic assault rifles are easily obtained in the United States of America. Do not expect honesty or reason.
 
2013-05-12 08:04:19 PM
Gleeman,
Well that's technically correct; but since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.


Mortars were invented during in the middle of the Ottoman empire.
 
2013-05-12 08:04:20 PM
It's high time we had a serious talk about video games in this country.
 
2013-05-12 08:04:38 PM
Calm down. Its the annual mothers day shoot out in the 7th ward in New Orleans
 
2013-05-12 08:10:00 PM
They were seen fleeing on Frenchmen

ihatehongkong2.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-12 08:13:33 PM
Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison
 
2013-05-12 08:15:06 PM

ontariolightning: Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison


knife owners should be forced to buy knife insurance on every knife or be subject to 5 years in prison
 
2013-05-12 08:15:53 PM
Violence in NOLA? Unpossible.
 
2013-05-12 08:15:55 PM

GUTSU: ontariolightning: Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison

knife owners should be forced to buy knife insurance on every knife or be subject to 5 years in prison


this is about guns, not knives, not pools.
 
2013-05-12 08:16:59 PM

ontariolightning: GUTSU: ontariolightning: Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison

knife owners should be forced to buy knife insurance on every knife or be subject to 5 years in prison

this is about guns, not knives, not pools.


Why? No one needs to own sharp or pointy knives.
 
2013-05-12 08:18:20 PM

ontariolightning: Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison


What, specifically, would be covered by this insurance? For what reason should suggrstions regarding firearm regulation reform be considered from someone who is willfully ignorant of existing firearm regulation in the United States of America?
 
2013-05-12 08:24:20 PM

Dimensio: ontariolightning: Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison

What, specifically, would be covered by this insurance? For what reason should suggrstions regarding firearm regulation reform be considered from someone who is willfully ignorant of existing firearm regulation in the United States of America?


I'm not sure it's willful ignorance.
 
2013-05-12 08:25:55 PM

ontariolightning: Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison


anything but do the obvious thing, right?

(enforce openly administered gun registration with age and background-related restriction with high fines for scofflaws. Jail time is just wasteful in all respects.)
 
2013-05-12 08:29:41 PM

Gleeman: Theaetetus: Gleeman: since the Colonists went to war with weapons that also doubled as hunting muskets (were hunting weapons to be exact, no full autos/claymores/mortars/etc. in 1776) and hunting was essential for survival anywhere but in the few large colonial cities, that was most likely assumed.

The Colonists also went to war with cannons and carronades, so, no, it's not a reasonable limitation to assume.

Your average Colonist kept a cannon/carronade in their cabin?


There WAS private ownership of artillery at the time. And two Supreme Court cases reinforced the private ownership of artillery, too.
 
2013-05-12 08:32:11 PM
It may be unusual to have 17 shot in New Orleans, but not that much so. Chicago just last month had a weekend with 26 people shot and they didn't even get a parade out of the deal.

In one weekend in Detroit in 2011 there were 25 shot.

New York managed 48 shot a couple years ago, but it looks like it was a three-day weekend - but hey, there was a parade at least.
 
2013-05-12 08:33:52 PM

LookForTheArrow: ontariolightning: Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison

anything but do the obvious thing, right?

(enforce openly administered gun registration with age and background-related restriction with high fines for scofflaws. Jail time is just wasteful in all respects.)


In new york there is massive noncompliance, in canada their register cost 2 billion dollars and it didn't do a damn thing so they got rid of it. Imagine having to deal with 10 times as many people and firearms, all for nothing.
 
2013-05-12 08:34:07 PM

GUTSU: ontariolightning: GUTSU: ontariolightning: Gun owners should be forced to buy gun insurance on every gun or be subject to 5 years in prison

knife owners should be forced to buy knife insurance on every knife or be subject to 5 years in prison

this is about guns, not knives, not pools.

Why? No one needs to own sharp or pointy knives.




Or pools, for that matter.
If the argument is about buying insurance to cover the potential damages for owning a dangerous thing, then a thing that is more likely to kill someone should come with a higher premium than a thing that is less dangerous.

When the focus seems to be on punishing rank and file gun owners instead of a rich minority of pool owners, the legislation being crafted begins to sound oddly specific...
 
2013-05-12 08:36:59 PM

flamingboard: Shoot a dear with an automatic assault rifle and see how well the meat turns out.


You seem to be under the impression that all automatic assault rifles work like this baby (Which I would LOVE to go hunting with.)
upload.wikimedia.org
The truth is that fully automatic assault rifles (which have never been used in anything but warcrimes in recent history) have select fire. You could easily take one shot with one. Or a 3 round burst.

What you meant was "semi-automatic" because that's what people commit crimes with. Semi-automatic weapons. Why are crimes committed almost entirely with semi-automatic weapons? Because it's the most common type. It goes bang every time you pull the trigger until the ammo runs out.

/your ignorance. It's showing.
 
2013-05-12 08:38:11 PM

IlGreven: Slappajo: luckyeddie: Slappajo: I'll just leave this here:   http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/10/americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-co n trol

Well, you've convinced me.

Only 11,078 gun homicide deaths in a year. Hardly worth farking mentioning, is it?

Actually, I was referring the bias mentioned in the article.  And statistically, no 11,078 gun homicide deaths is not worth mentioning.  Shiat happens.  People die everyday for one reason or another.  Thinking we can control all of them is completely delusional.

Please stop using "accidents happen" to justify doing nothing.  Because as much as you deny it, that's exactly what you're doing.  And by doing nothing, you increase the chance that the "accident happens" to you.


==================

If it were only 11,078 firearm homicide deaths per year in a country of 310 million, it would only be a drop in the bucket, but there's more to the story.   In 2010 there were 31,513 total deaths caused by firearms,,,,,homicides, suicides and accidents.   In addition there were over 200,000 non fatal injuries, most of which required extensive medical treatment.  The cost of medical care and lost productivity from firearms injuries runs into the billions of dollars every year....year after year.  How much would we save every year just in medical treatment, to say nothing of police and court costs, if only half of these killings/injuries were prevented?
 
2013-05-12 08:40:22 PM

Fissile: In 2010 there were 31,513 total deaths caused by firearms,,,,,homicides, suicides and accidents.


around 30 people die a day to drunk drivers.

When are we going to ban alcohol again?
 
2013-05-12 08:42:10 PM
"They were seen fleeing on Frenchmen"

Is that legal?
 
2013-05-12 08:44:13 PM

fluffy2097: Fissile: In 2010 there were 31,513 total deaths caused by firearms,,,,,homicides, suicides and accidents.

around 30 people die a day to drunk drivers.

When are we going to ban alcohol again?


-------------

Which is still only 1/3 the total amount of people killed by firearms every year.
 
2013-05-12 08:46:49 PM
i296.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-12 08:48:00 PM
I'm sure the guy looked just like ted nugent.
 
2013-05-12 08:49:18 PM

hardinparamedic: Stone Meadow: No, checking links is not hard...I simply missed the word "accidents". Shiat happens.

I owe you an apology then. Sorry for snapping at you.


Not to worry. We cool. :)
 
2013-05-12 08:50:25 PM

Warthog: Serious question:  what's a "Second line" as discussed in the article?


There's this search tool called "Google". Try it!
 
2013-05-12 08:52:06 PM
If anyone in this thread seriously believes that the gangbangers who shot up the second line don't already have a rap sheet that would make it illegal for them to possess a gun and further believes that Pappy on the West Bank does background checks when he sells kids stolen pistols out of the trunk of his car, there is no hope for you
 
2013-05-12 08:53:22 PM

RoxtarRyan: Noam Chimpsky: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Pretty sure if the founding fathers looked forward in time, they would have put a little more definition in the 2nd. Highly doubt they wanted to secure the right for people to be able to walk around carrying guns that have enough firepower to kill a small gathering of people in a matter of a few seconds. Of course, they also revered intellect, knowledge and reason... things that, if not long lost, have become detested in this country.


Same thing for the first amendment too huh? I doubt that they would have wanted to secure the right for people to spread massive amounts of misinformation and lies to millions of people through television and the internet. They probably weren't planning on securing peoples right to worship the devil either. And I'm damned sure they weren't looking to secure the right for a million African American's to march on the nations capitol.

Your logic sucks. And the founding fathers did not exclude a single weapon from personal ownership via the 2nd amendment. Therefore a person could own a cannon if they wanted to, a gun with enough firepower to kill a small gathering of people in a matter of seconds.
 
2013-05-12 08:56:31 PM

Iplaybass: hardinparamedic: birdmanesq: Guns were involved in 2/3 of the homicides in 2011. And that omits suicides and accidents.

The point called from Beijing, and said hi.  It's not just a gun problem. It's a complex, multifactorial issue. The idea that you can distill it down to a gun problem is an insane attempt at hiding your head in the dirt.

And the majority of those homicides involved drug and drug-related crimes, and were committed using semi-automatic handguns. Yet, somehow, blatantly banning all guns is going to solve the problems?

Let's not address the drug culture and problems with the laughable "War on Drugs".
Let's not address crippling poverty, lack of a single-payer healthcare system, or the failure of the system as it stands to care for mentally ill people.
Let's not address the fact there are reasonable measures that we can undertake to reduce gun violence, such as closing background loopholes.

But no. Let's ban the guns. That'll solve everything!

It's a complex, multifactorial issue that could be halted significantly with tightened gun laws. But no, you retards are too stupid to see that. Despite the fact that it's worked elsewhere.


It's also failed elsewhere.
 
2013-05-12 08:56:58 PM

fluffy2097: Fissile: In 2010 there were 31,513 total deaths caused by firearms,,,,,homicides, suicides and accidents.

around 30 people die a day to drunk drivers.

When are we going to ban alcohol again?


And over 1200 people a day die due to cigarettes.  Let's ban those too.

Oh wait, that won't happen...because government is too busy profiting off of other people's pain.  The gun control argument is no different.  It's the same war; just a different battle cry.
 
2013-05-12 08:58:45 PM

TheEdibleSnuggie: fluffy2097: Fissile: In 2010 there were 31,513 total deaths caused by firearms,,,,,homicides, suicides and accidents.

around 30 people die a day to drunk drivers.

When are we going to ban alcohol again?

And over 1200 people a day die due to cigarettes.  Let's ban those too.

Oh wait, that won't happen...because government is too busy profiting off of other people's pain.  The gun control argument is no different.  It's the same war; just a different battle cry.


=============

I'm all for banning cigarettes, they do nothing except cause misery, while making the Koch brothers rich.
 
2013-05-12 08:59:44 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Mrtraveler01: Poverty?

So lets give all the poor people free money and they'll stop robbing, shooting and killing. I mean it's not like it's at all their fault for the financial situation they find themselves in, right?


How about we just have more opportunity....I can guarantee you that ALL poor people aren't poor because they are lazy and choose to be.
But hey, wtf, you keep on with those simple minded over generalizations.
 
2013-05-12 09:00:23 PM
NOPD now says 19 were wounded.

Sorry, didn't mean to threadjack. You can go back to your flame war.
 
2013-05-12 09:01:25 PM

fluffy2097: Fissile: In 2010 there were 31,513 total deaths caused by firearms,,,,,homicides, suicides and accidents.

around 30 people die a day to drunk drivers.

When are we going to ban alcohol again?


When someone can shoot 300 beer cans at me in a minute at half the speed of sound, you have a valid comparison.
 
2013-05-12 09:03:35 PM

Fissile: fluffy2097: Fissile: In 2010 there were 31,513 total deaths caused by firearms,,,,,homicides, suicides and accidents.

around 30 people die a day to drunk drivers.

When are we going to ban alcohol again?

-------------

Which is still only 1/3 the total amount of people killed by firearms every year.


Meanwhile, there are 80,000 alcohol-related deaths every year in this country.  And unlike guns, alcohol has absolutely zero utility, and alcohol consumption isn't even in the Bill of Rights.

/you want to count accidents and suicides, then we get to count DUI, alcohol poisoning, and liver disease
 
2013-05-12 09:04:40 PM
godfarkingdamnitsomuch
 
2013-05-12 09:04:43 PM

fusillade762: a_real_human_being: //lolwut

Your handle wouldn't be inspired by this, by any chance?


img17.imageshack.us

So. Much. Win.
 
2013-05-12 09:05:35 PM

Fark It: Fissile: fluffy2097: Fissile: In 2010 there were 31,513 total deaths caused by firearms,,,,,homicides, suicides and accidents.

around 30 people die a day to drunk drivers.

When are we going to ban alcohol again?

-------------

Which is still only 1/3 the total amount of people killed by firearms every year.

Meanwhile, there are 80,000 alcohol-related deaths every year in this country.  And unlike guns, alcohol has absolutely zero utility, and alcohol consumption isn't even in the Bill of Rights.

/you want to count accidents and suicides, then we get to count DUI, alcohol poisoning, and liver disease


================

When was the last time a mental case snuffed out a kindergarten class with an AK-PBR?
 
2013-05-12 09:07:01 PM
If I ever plan some crime, I need to get me some getaway Frenchman!
 
2013-05-12 09:07:31 PM
Can falls be used to kill other people?
 
2013-05-12 09:08:24 PM
My Weeners in years and I typo it.  hah!  FAIL.
 
2013-05-12 09:09:22 PM
This has nothing do to with guns and everything to do with the fact parts of New Orleans are a complete shiathole filled with knuckleheads who have no respect for human life.
 
2013-05-12 09:10:47 PM

technofiend: This has nothing do to with guns and everything to do with the fact parts of New Orleans are a complete shiathole filled with knuckleheads who have no respect for human life.


Must be a lot of Republicans there.
 
2013-05-12 09:12:01 PM

Fissile: Fark It: Fissile: fluffy2097: Fissile: In 2010 there were 31,513 total deaths caused by firearms,,,,,homicides, suicides and accidents.

around 30 people die a day to drunk drivers.

When are we going to ban alcohol again?

-------------

Which is still only 1/3 the total amount of people killed by firearms every year.

Meanwhile, there are 80,000 alcohol-related deaths every year in this country.  And unlike guns, alcohol has absolutely zero utility, and alcohol consumption isn't even in the Bill of Rights.

/you want to count accidents and suicides, then we get to count DUI, alcohol poisoning, and liver disease

================

When was the last time a mental case snuffed out a kindergarten class with an AK-PBR?


So deaths are unequal? Is killing a child with a gun worse than one killing one with a car while drunk?
 
2013-05-12 09:13:41 PM

GUTSU: Fissile: Fark It: Fissile: fluffy2097: Fissile: In 2010 there were 31,513 total deaths caused by firearms,,,,,homicides, suicides and accidents.

around 30 people die a day to drunk drivers.

When are we going to ban alcohol again?

-------------

Which is still only 1/3 the total amount of people killed by firearms every year.

Meanwhile, there are 80,000 alcohol-related deaths every year in this country.  And unlike guns, alcohol has absolutely zero utility, and alcohol consumption isn't even in the Bill of Rights.

/you want to count accidents and suicides, then we get to count DUI, alcohol poisoning, and liver disease

================

When was the last time a mental case snuffed out a kindergarten class with an AK-PBR?

So deaths are unequal? Is killing a child with a gun worse than one killing one with a car while drunk?


===============

Most drunks kill only themselves.  When was the last time a drunk drove an AR-Camaro into a movie theater?
 
2013-05-12 09:14:28 PM

hardinparamedic: Ah, mothers day in the Ghetto.

Quantum Apostrophe: The USA is a factory for making people mentally ill and arming them.

Given that this was NOLA, I doubt it was mentally ill and more gangbanger.


To be fair, this is New Orleans we are talking about here....... I don't think that possibility that it was the New Orleans Police Department can be eliminated from consideration.
 
2013-05-12 09:17:02 PM

simrobert2001: Dang it people, can we NOT have a reason for the gun grabbers to grab guns for a week? Seriously, what the hell?


And I was thinking it a reason too restore the right.
 
2013-05-12 09:17:20 PM

Fissile: GUTSU: Fissile: Fark It: Fissile: fluffy2097: Fissile: In 2010 there were 31,513 total deaths caused by firearms,,,,,homicides, suicides and accidents.

around 30 people die a day to drunk drivers.

When are we going to ban alcohol again?

-------------

Which is still only 1/3 the total amount of people killed by firearms every year.

Meanwhile, there are 80,000 alcohol-related deaths every year in this country.  And unlike guns, alcohol has absolutely zero utility, and alcohol consumption isn't even in the Bill of Rights.

/you want to count accidents and suicides, then we get to count DUI, alcohol poisoning, and liver disease

================

When was the last time a mental case snuffed out a kindergarten class with an AK-PBR?

So deaths are unequal? Is killing a child with a gun worse than one killing one with a car while drunk?

===============

Most drunks kill only themselves.  When was the last time a drunk drove an AR-Camaro into a movie theater?


So suicides don't matter to you? Accidental deaths don't count?
 
2013-05-12 09:19:26 PM

technofiend: This has nothing do to with guns and everything to do with the fact parts of New Orleans are a complete shiathole filled with knuckleheads who have no respect for human life.


Hey you! Stop talking sense, this is Fark. Check your grammar, but your idea is spot on.
 
2013-05-12 09:24:48 PM
So three people teamed up to shoot up a parade. Is it going to be some Teabaggers, some unhappy african americans, or some mooslims?
 
2013-05-12 09:33:44 PM

Fissile: GUTSU: Fissile: Fark It: Fissile: fluffy2097: Fissile: In 2010 there were 31,513 total deaths caused by firearms,,,,,homicides, suicides and accidents.

around 30 people die a day to drunk drivers.

When are we going to ban alcohol again?

-------------

Which is still only 1/3 the total amount of people killed by firearms every year.

Meanwhile, there are 80,000 alcohol-related deaths every year in this country.  And unlike guns, alcohol has absolutely zero utility, and alcohol consumption isn't even in the Bill of Rights.

/you want to count accidents and suicides, then we get to count DUI, alcohol poisoning, and liver disease

================

When was the last time a mental case snuffed out a kindergarten class with an AK-PBR?

So deaths are unequal? Is killing a child with a gun worse than one killing one with a car while drunk?

===============

Most drunks kill only themselves.  When was the last time a drunk drove an AR-Camaro into a movie theater?


As a Paramedic, you are an idiot. Drunks are much more likely to kill others than they are themselves.  The physiology of this, is because they are more relaxed when these things happen. But a drunk will often take out entire families. BLAH BLAH BLAH Appeal to authority, trolly name right winger......
 
2013-05-12 09:34:40 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: So three people teamed up to shoot up a parade. Is it going to be some Teabaggers, some unhappy african americans, or some mooslims?


The 7th Ward in New Orleans isn't really known as a hot bed of Tea Party activism. It is, however, known for lots of gang violence.
 
2013-05-12 09:35:39 PM

Nabb1: globalwarmingpraiser: So three people teamed up to shoot up a parade. Is it going to be some Teabaggers, some unhappy african americans, or some mooslims?

The 7th Ward in New Orleans isn't really known as a hot bed of Tea Party activism. It is, however, known for lots of gang violence.


TEABAGGERS DO EVERTHING until proven otherwise.
 
2013-05-12 09:38:11 PM
If it is a blatently stupid move to show up at ironman 3 in cosplay because it is too soon emotions are so at the surface then it is too early to talk about gun control.
 
2013-05-12 09:38:28 PM

eggrolls: fluffy2097: Fissile: In 2010 there were 31,513 total deaths caused by firearms,,,,,homicides, suicides and accidents.

around 30 people die a day to drunk drivers.

When are we going to ban alcohol again?

When someone can shoot 300 beer cans at me in a minute at half the speed of sound, you have a valid comparison.


Challenge accepted.
 
2013-05-12 09:45:11 PM
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Political I gotta get
Grown but can't hold my own
So this government needs to be overthrown
Brothers with the AKs and the 9 MMs
need to learn how to correctly shoot'em
Save those rounds for a revolution
Poor whites and blacks bumrushing the system - arrested development.
 
2013-05-12 09:46:08 PM
"street violence"
 
2013-05-12 09:47:34 PM

hardinparamedic: Nope. Gun-related killings dropped below 6,000 in 2011.


What? That isn't what your link says.

It says there were 8,583 homicide-by-gun victims in 2011.

It also doesn't give the statistics for suicide by gun or for accidental gun deaths, so it's an incomplete picture.
 
2013-05-12 09:48:19 PM
hardinparamedic: I doubt it was mentally ill and more gangbanger.

Po-tay-to, Po-tah-toh. You know, because inner-city gangbangers are models of stable and reasonable behavior.

/Just saying
 
2013-05-12 09:52:07 PM
does anyone know what type of guns were used?
 
2013-05-12 09:53:36 PM

utah dude: does anyone know what type of guns were used?


Chain fed miniguns firing explosive tipped mom seeking hollow points.
 
2013-05-12 09:54:47 PM

Krieghund: hardinparamedic: Nope. Gun-related killings dropped below 6,000 in 2011.

What? That isn't what your link says.

It says there were 8,583 homicide-by-gun victims in 2011.

It also doesn't give the statistics for suicide by gun or for accidental gun deaths, so it's an incomplete picture.


Suicide doesn't count.

People will find a way to kill themselves.
 
2013-05-12 09:55:28 PM
"We can tell you without doubt that this police department will find these guys," Serpas said. "We will find them, and we will bring them to custody and will make them pay for the crime they committed today."

Congratulations... you now have the countries most corrupt police force out for your blood.  Have fun with that.
 
2013-05-12 09:59:30 PM

doglover: People will find a way to kill themselves.


That's not how suicide works.
 
2013-05-12 09:59:39 PM

iq_in_binary: Watch how fast it gets buried if it turns out to be gang related.

Will Fox, MSNBC and CNN be covering this in a few hours? Will there be non-stop coverage for the next 3 days?

I'm guessing no. Nobody cares unless it's white people.


It's racist to discus it if it is not.
 
2013-05-12 10:05:07 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: utah dude: does anyone know what type of guns were used?

Chain fed miniguns firing explosive tipped mom seeking hollow points.


those outta be illegal!
 
2013-05-12 10:10:21 PM

ohmyhead: My Weeners in years and I typo it.  hah!  FAIL.


lol
 
2013-05-12 10:14:44 PM

Nabb1: globalwarmingpraiser: So three people teamed up to shoot up a parade. Is it going to be some Teabaggers, some unhappy african americans, or some mooslims?

The 7th Ward in New Orleans isn't really known as a hot bed of Tea Party activism. It is, however, known for lots of gang violence.


Lootie types, eh?

Here's the thing I don't understand. How is that criminals get guns? Theft, sure. Otherwise, isn't the original purchase by a Jesus loving American?