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2013-05-12 06:38:32 PM
DNRTFA but thats seems to be the trend. I was watching Rugby 7's on NBC the other day and their top guy was a NFL washout and he was just awesome to watch. I dont like Tebow but it would be great for rugby to finally get some momentum in the US.
 
2013-05-12 06:40:31 PM
With the head injuries in gridiron football, this would be a logical step for American football as head injuries are rare in rugby league and 7s (not sure about union).  However there are not enough stoppages for it to broadcast on mainstream television so it will not catch on.
 
2013-05-12 06:57:59 PM
Lomu!
 
j4x
2013-05-12 06:58:22 PM
7's are cool
fark League
Union is the best
 
2013-05-12 07:04:26 PM
Crouch, touch, pray, ENGAGE!
 
2013-05-12 07:05:12 PM
If soccer can't catch on in the U.S. then how the hell is rugby going to make it?
 
2013-05-12 07:09:16 PM

skinink: If soccer can't catch on in the U.S. then how the hell is rugby going to make it?


Everything the typical American sports fan hates about soccer isn't present in rugby. All rugby needs in the US is marketing, and it'll catch on. Not NFL huge obviously, but catch on at least.

Then again, considering that the four letter network is becoming more like TMZ, that's easier said than done
 
2013-05-12 07:17:12 PM

greasefire11: Crouch, touch, pray, ENGAGE!


They changed it. Crouch, Touch, Set is now the cadence. And you go on Set.
 
2013-05-12 07:20:45 PM
Actually, this makes a LOT more sense than Tebow playing TE, FB, or any other NFL position.
 
2013-05-12 07:27:28 PM
Maybe....but Tebow is going to look awkward during the after game socials.  "ZOMG!  Drinking?!  And songs with naughty words?!  Oh my!"

/Played in college.
 
2013-05-12 07:32:37 PM
USAR is the biggest problem in growing the sport here in the US. The only thing they care about is pitting OMBAC against Old Puget Sound on the national stage, ignoring the stagnant growth around the country. There are clubs that can get over the recruitment and sport-exposure hump in their area with just a little financial help that a non-profit governing body like USAR can provide. Instead, they allow politically connected clubs run the asylum, no matter how poorly that particular team performs on the field. If there is to be a truly national competition, make the TUs' rep sides play in a competition similar to Super Rugby in the Southern Hemisphere, where they take players from the local union clubs.

As much as I like and miss seeing the Reds, Super Rugby is strictly a Southern Hemisphere league, and should stay that way. The Heiniken Cup can expand to the east coast if they want, probably the same time the NFL puts a team in London. Rugby XV's need to be on TV here more often, with both the Heiniken Cup and Six Nations on the NFL Network, and Super Rugby and TRC (formerly Tri Nations) on Fox Sports new network, if this thing is ever going to grow; again, one more thing USAR could've been more proactive about all these years.

As for League, once Russel Crowe bought his favorite team, South Sydney, it seems like he asked the NRL why they never tapped the US market, with the State of Origin and Grand Final on Fox Soccer, and I remember the playoffs on Spike a few years ago, but a few more games can't hurt, maybe the Sunday afternoon game won't hurt.
 
2013-05-12 07:33:04 PM
 
2013-05-12 07:37:02 PM

Woolwine: skinink: If soccer can't catch on in the U.S. then how the hell is rugby going to make it?

Everything the typical American sports fan hates about soccer isn't present in rugby. All rugby needs in the US is marketing, and it'll catch on. Not NFL huge obviously, but catch on at least.

Then again, considering that the four letter network is becoming more like TMZ, that's easier said than done


this.... With the right marketing by someone like the nfl (and if the nfl is seriously behind it... Not just "showing it" like with afl and cfl games) , I could see pro rugby end up somewhere between the NHL and NBA in popularity in 15-20 years... As stated tho, they will need a committed partner ready to keep it on tv during the early "lean" years to build an audience.
 
2013-05-12 07:38:12 PM

puffy999: Actually, this makes a LOT more sense than Tebow playing TE, FB, or any other NFL position.


He doesn't have the hands to play rugby. Probably can't tackle. And won't have the cardio any time in the near future.
 
2013-05-12 07:39:24 PM
Rugby is boring. It's soccer without athleticism mixed with football without strategy.
 
2013-05-12 07:40:25 PM
And as far as this story... You could definitely see this as somewhere college and washout players might go if their nfl careers don't blossom , but they can pick up the skills for rugby... Kind of like how some players end up in wrestling or mma... Another US pro athletic avenue for them
 
2013-05-12 07:42:08 PM

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: As for League, once Russel Crowe bought his favorite team, South Sydney, it seems like he asked the NRL why they never tapped the US market, with the State of Origin and Grand Final on Fox Soccer, and I remember the playoffs on Spike a few years ago, but a few more games can't hurt, maybe the Sunday afternoon game won't hurt.


Oh, is this a chance to turn this into an Aussie rules football thread?

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2013-05-12 07:45:25 PM

Moopy Mac: He doesn't have the hands to play rugby. Probably can't tackle. And won't have the cardio any time in the near future.


I'd assume he's not in bad shape, though he could stand to not bulk up so much. Tackling is not hard in rugby. And I'm sure his hands would be a good feature, given that running the option is one of his strengths and he's caught passes (albeit in practice) from, you know, NFL quarterbacks from time to time.

I'd be most concerned with him learning the rules moreso than anything, because I honestly think he's about as dumb as a box of rocks.
 
2013-05-12 07:45:35 PM

The_Sponge: Maybe....but Tebow is going to look awkward during the after game socials.  "ZOMG!  Drinking?!  And songs with naughty words?!  Oh my!"

/Played in college.


This. And they might teach him about European style socialismz. We can't have that now.
 
2013-05-12 07:50:23 PM

puffy999: Moopy Mac: He doesn't have the hands to play rugby. Probably can't tackle. And won't have the cardio any time in the near future.

I'd assume he's not in bad shape, though he could stand to not bulk up so much. Tackling is not hard in rugby. And I'm sure his hands would be a good feature, given that running the option is one of his strengths and he's caught passes (albeit in practice) from, you know, NFL quarterbacks from time to time.

I'd be most concerned with him learning the rules moreso than anything, because I honestly think he's about as dumb as a box of rocks.


When has he caught passes from NFL QBs in any manner other than warming up? Face it, the only position he could play is inside centre (maybe the 13). He isn't going to have the endurance or the iron to play in the backrow. His hands are nowhere proven to be able to play 12.

He has trained his entire life to be explosive for 7 seconds at a time. That does not translate well to sports like rugby. He would have to change his training and probably lose a considerable amount of mass. That's going to take a long time.

Tackling at decent level rugby is most definitely hard for someone who has NEVER tackled a person in their lives (outside of JV football).
 
2013-05-12 07:56:38 PM

Moopy Mac: puffy999: Moopy Mac: He doesn't have the hands to play rugby. Probably can't tackle. And won't have the cardio any time in the near future.

I'd assume he's not in bad shape, though he could stand to not bulk up so much. Tackling is not hard in rugby. And I'm sure his hands would be a good feature, given that running the option is one of his strengths and he's caught passes (albeit in practice) from, you know, NFL quarterbacks from time to time.

I'd be most concerned with him learning the rules moreso than anything, because I honestly think he's about as dumb as a box of rocks.

When has he caught passes from NFL QBs in any manner other than warming up? Face it, the only position he could play is inside centre (maybe the 13). He isn't going to have the endurance or the iron to play in the backrow. His hands are nowhere proven to be able to play 12.

He has trained his entire life to be explosive for 7 seconds at a time. That does not translate well to sports like rugby. He would have to change his training and probably lose a considerable amount of mass. That's going to take a long time.

Tackling at decent level rugby is most definitely hard for someone who has NEVER tackled a person in their lives (outside of JV football).


At UF, Meyer/Tebow did utilize the read option at times (where he was never never the recipient of the hand off). Not sure what that proves about his hands.

I guess he didn't fumble that many shotgun snaps.
 
2013-05-12 07:58:02 PM
I'm very ok with this.
 
2013-05-12 08:03:24 PM
The New Zealand Maori is coming this year.

Hopefully the Bledisloe Cup will follow in a couple more years. You've got to think that game could sell out Mile High (the plan in 2009 before some issues arose and moved the game to Tokyo).

USA Rugby is starting to do a good job in promoting the game. Now we just need a game or two of Super Rugby replayed each week on Fox Sports 1/2 once those networks are up and running.
 
2013-05-12 08:11:39 PM

puffy999: Actually, this makes a LOT more sense than Tebow playing TE, FB, or any other NFL position.


I agree. I think he has the attributes of a good rugby player, but needs to make sure he has or develops the stamina to carry over for longer periods of time. Oh yes, and the tackling, but again, I think that can be learned as well. Hey, why not? At the very least he still has enough draw to bring some attention to the game if he plays in it.
 
2013-05-12 08:30:20 PM

MugzyBrown: Rugby is boring. It's soccer without athleticism mixed with football without strategy.


YOU take that back you WHORE!
 
2013-05-12 08:32:26 PM

Moopy Mac: He has trained his entire life to be explosive for 7 seconds at a time.


I think he's actually trained his entire life to be athletic. If he'd spent more time training to be a quarterback with a decent, accurate arm, he'd definitely have a job right now.

Moopy Mac: Not sure what that proves about his hands.


He has caught practice balls, from what I understand. And he's a handoff expert, and that takes good hands and hand-eye coordination, and he's pitched a few times before.

Anyway, none of this will happen, but I'm sure some butthurt will happen if he doesn't get a job as a QB this season.
 
2013-05-12 08:38:25 PM
I suspect the lack of stoppages would be the biggest tv hurdle. It's a booming sport in the northern Virginia area. Both my kids have been playing for 5-6 years.
 
2013-05-12 08:42:44 PM

puffy999: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: As for League, once Russel Crowe bought his favorite team, South Sydney, it seems like he asked the NRL why they never tapped the US market, with the State of Origin and Grand Final on Fox Soccer, and I remember the playoffs on Spike a few years ago, but a few more games can't hurt, maybe the Sunday afternoon game won't hurt.

Oh, is this a chance to turn this into an Aussie rules football thread?

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Australian Rules Football= the world's best sport. The end.
 
2013-05-12 08:45:51 PM
NFL Play Props:
Tim Tebow's next league:
NFL: 68% chance
CFL: 13% chance ($100 wins $400)
Never plays again: 13% chance ($100 wins $400)
Arena football: 6% chance ($100 wins $1000)

16% chance Tebow WILL start an NFL game at QB during 2013 regular season ($100 wins $500)

www.teapartytribune.com
 
2013-05-12 09:00:07 PM

The_Sponge: Maybe....but Tebow is going to look awkward during the after game socials.  "ZOMG!  Drinking?!  And songs with naughty words?!  Oh my!"

/Played in college.


He played football at a Major college, so I don't think he will have any problem fitting in with all of that.
 
2013-05-12 09:04:25 PM

SamWaters: 16% chance Tebow WILL start an NFL game at QB during 2013 regular season ($100 wins $500)


Yeah but what's the vig?
 
2013-05-12 10:33:04 PM
What is this "Tebow doesn't have the hands" nonsense. I haven't played a lick of football in my life, have played rugby for a year, and can catch a pass 9 times out of 10. It isn't that hard.
 
2013-05-12 11:08:04 PM
Well if Tebow needs to put his hands on a ball between another mans legs on a regular basis this is a better option then the local airport or truck stop bathroom.
 
2013-05-12 11:33:02 PM

SamWaters: Never plays again: 13% chance ($100 wins $400)


Great bet for the house.
 
2013-05-13 12:35:02 AM

MugzyBrown: Rugby is boring. It's soccer without athleticism mixed with football without strategy.


try this  3 minutes of rugby
 
2013-05-13 06:52:51 AM

Pep Streebeck: puffy999: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: As for League, once Russel Crowe bought his favorite team, South Sydney, it seems like he asked the NRL why they never tapped the US market, with the State of Origin and Grand Final on Fox Soccer, and I remember the playoffs on Spike a few years ago, but a few more games can't hurt, maybe the Sunday afternoon game won't hurt.

Oh, is this a chance to turn this into an Aussie rules football thread?

[i.imgur.com image 381x450]

[s3.hubimg.com image 260x389]

[newsimg.bbc.co.uk image 300x300]

Australian Rules Football= the world's best sport. The end.


. . . now I totally want Tebow to come play for West Coast or Port Magpies.  Forget after-game rugby union bawdy songs, the shiat they get up to would blow his mind.
 
2013-05-13 08:08:12 AM

mjjt: MugzyBrown: Rugby is boring. It's soccer without athleticism mixed with football without strategy.

try this  3 minutes of rugby


LIke I said.

It's like a field full of NFL full backs all trying to run and tackle each other.
 
2013-05-13 09:25:44 AM

VTGremlin: What is this "Tebow doesn't have the hands" nonsense. I haven't played a lick of football in my life, have played rugby for a year, and can catch a pass 9 times out of 10. It isn't that hard.


I have no doubt that Tim Tebow can play some low-level of club rugby successfully. He's big, he's strong and he's pretty fast.

But there's quite a bit of a difference between playing with your local club and playing competitive rugby at a decent level. He can probably go down to the local park and be pretty decent at pick-up basketball pretty quickly as well. But that's not really the point if we are talking about a real professional rugby club.

He doesn't have the body to play 1-5. He won't have the hands (or kicking game) to play 11, 14 or 15. He won't have the game knowledge to play 9 or 10. And he won't have the tackling/metal/experience to play the backrow. That narrows down his options quite a bit.
 
2013-05-13 09:38:57 AM

MugzyBrown: It's like a field full of NFL full backs all trying to run and tackle each other.


It's red rover with a ball.
 
2013-05-13 10:07:11 AM
Interesting old NYT article about US agent who tried to use football players in Australian rugby

"What if somebody gathered a team of young, healthy NFL castoffs in their athletic primes, taught them the rules and set them loose on the Five Nations and the Southern Hemisphere?

"I'll tell you what would happen to the Americans," said Gil Thompson, a Mississippi-based agent for players in the NFL. "They would get beat to death."

Last year, Thompson sent a dozen such players to Australia. In so doing, he was accepting the invitation of Bernie Gross, an Australian sports lawyer who was convinced after years of watching NFL games while on skiing holidays in America that the Yanks could revolutionize the Australian sport of rugby league.

"I think I overestimated the ease with which they would make the transition," Gross says."

 - This was at professional level - interesting nonetheless.
 
2013-05-13 10:17:05 AM

Moopy Mac: VTGremlin: What is this "Tebow doesn't have the hands" nonsense. I haven't played a lick of football in my life, have played rugby for a year, and can catch a pass 9 times out of 10. It isn't that hard.

I have no doubt that Tim Tebow can play some low-level of club rugby successfully. He's big, he's strong and he's pretty fast.

But there's quite a bit of a difference between playing with your local club and playing competitive rugby at a decent level. He can probably go down to the local park and be pretty decent at pick-up basketball pretty quickly as well. But that's not really the point if we are talking about a real professional rugby club.

He doesn't have the body to play 1-5. He won't have the hands (or kicking game) to play 11, 14 or 15. He won't have the game knowledge to play 9 or 10. And he won't have the tackling/metal/experience to play the backrow. That narrows down his options quite a bit.


Just to point out, I (think) that the thought is to bring over "Rugby 7s", not full Rugby Union as a pro US sport.  I don't claim at all to be any sort of Rugby expert (other than owning and enjoying playing EA Rugby 99 or some year from the late 90s on my old PC back in the day), but, I would think Rugby 7s vs. Rugby Union would have a different set of skills much like Arena Football vs. NFL, although it does appear the field size is the same, so, I'd guess it is much more of a speed/escapability game, which is one of Tebow's strengths.
 
2013-05-13 11:04:45 AM
He makes it a year, then quits or is benched.
 
2013-05-13 11:09:58 AM
I would be overjoyed to see an real international test match in the States.  Not Sevens, which IMHO has a more frenetic pace, but lacks the strategic element of "real" rugby.  Once the back hits a seam, it's off to the races.

I bet an Ireland-England or Ireland-Wales test here in Boston would sell out Fenway Park in a heartbeat.  European soccer friendlies have done well here, particularly anything that involves Irish sides.  Considering the travel that Southern Hemisphere teams (including Super Rugby) do all the time, this is a hop.
 
2013-05-13 11:44:34 AM
Sevens always seems like a made-for-tv thing like 3 on 3 basketball or something.
 
2013-05-13 12:31:19 PM

mjjt: try this 3 minutes of rugby


Unfuggingbelieveable.
 
2013-05-13 02:34:04 PM
Didn't Bush Jr play rugby at Harvard?
 
2013-05-13 04:44:33 PM
I'd rather rugby union because that's what I play but I'll be glad to see any kind of rugby in America.
 
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