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2013-05-12 03:21:24 PM  
I must be 10.
 
2013-05-12 03:27:14 PM  
I can agree to disagree
 
2013-05-12 03:31:21 PM  
-believe it's their duty to always vote.

Then why's turnout so low?
 
2013-05-12 03:33:40 PM  
Cloning is wrong? Aw, man.
 
2013-05-12 03:37:15 PM  
-believe in God.  Yes
-are very patriotic.  Yes
-consider preventing terrorism a very important foreign policy goal.  Yes - though maybe a caveat on 'very' I don't agree we should be willing to give up fundamental rights to privacy for increased security
-admire those who get rich by working hard.  Yes - again though, with the condition that they got there without cheating the system or stepping-on/mistreating/using others
-think society should ensure everyone has equal opportunity to succeed. Yes
-think it's important to get more than a high school education.  Yes
-favor teaching sex education in public schools.  Yes
-find birth control morally acceptable.  Yes
-believe cloning humans would be morally wrong.  No - we should see if we can do it, though if it turns out we can, it will raise a fascinating debate on human rights
-believe it's wrong for married people to have affairs.  Yes - unless they're both open and agree to it, swingers/polys/etc can do whatever as long as it's what they both want
-are interested in keeping up with national affairs Yes.
-believe it's their duty to always vote.  Yes
 
2013-05-12 03:42:49 PM  
I don't believe in God
I've never voted
I support cloning
I think college is nothing but a money making scam
 
2013-05-12 03:43:26 PM  

johnryan51: I must be 10.


Same here.


Americans nearly all:
-believe in God. No
-are very patriotic. No
-consider preventing terrorism a very important foreign policy goal. No
-admire those who get rich by working hard. Okay
-think society should ensure everyone has equal opportunity to succeed. Okay.
-think it's important to get more than a high school education. Depends on what you want to do. Trade schools are more suitable for some than college. Though I guess a trade or apprenticeship would be "more than high school
-favor teaching sex education in public schools. Yes.
-find birth control morally acceptable. Yes
-believe cloning humans would be morally wrong. No
-believe it's wrong for married people to have affairs. Yes, but marriage is an outdated idea anyway.
-are interested in keeping up with national affairs. Meh.
-believe it's their duty to always vote. Meh.


What would be more interesting is to see how many people lied on the survey, because if so many people think it's important to vote, why do so few? And why are there so many affairs had by married people? Or is this just a "do as I say, not as I do" list?
 
2013-05-12 03:56:50 PM  
believe it's their duty to always vote.

HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHHA
no really, let me laugh HARDER

BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAH

in 2012 (all numbers are based on estimates, your exact number will vary, but will be similar)
241 million americans are voting age
180 million are registered to vote
129 million voted

75% are registered
72% of registered voters actually voted
54% of eligible citizens voted

so that 90% who that it is their duty to vote?, well almost half of them lied.
so pretty much your poll results are completely suspect

unless they think "duty to vote" doesnt actually include ACTUALLY voting!! LOLOL
 
2013-05-12 03:58:08 PM  

namatad: believe it's their duty to always vote.

HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHHA
no really, let me laugh HARDER

BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAH

in 2012 (all numbers are based on estimates, your exact number will vary, but will be similar)
241 million americans are voting age
180 million are registered to vote
129 million voted

75% are registered
72% of registered voters actually voted
54% of eligible citizens voted

so that 90% who that it is their duty to vote?, well almost half of them lied.
so pretty much your poll results are completely suspect

unless they think "duty to vote" doesnt actually include ACTUALLY voting!! LOLOL


No, no, they thought that "duty to vote" included American Idol and Dancing With The Stars.
 
2013-05-12 03:59:38 PM  

namatad: believe it's their duty to always vote.

HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHHA
no really, let me laugh HARDER

BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAH

in 2012 (all numbers are based on estimates, your exact number will vary, but will be similar)
241 million americans are voting age
180 million are registered to vote
129 million voted

75% are registered
72% of registered voters actually voted
54% of eligible citizens voted

so that 90% who that it is their duty to vote?, well almost half of them lied.
so pretty much your poll results are completely suspect

unless they think "duty to vote" doesnt actually include ACTUALLY voting!! LOLOL


What people say and what people do aren't always the same thing, news at 11.

At least those who aren't voting apparently feel a little guilty about it.
 
2013-05-12 04:03:27 PM  
Kanye West is a jackass?
 
2013-05-12 04:06:53 PM  
I aint against cloning humans or genetic splicing.

Our bodies have evolved to a point where we can edit and reproduce 100% genes like gasoline.

Our ancestors would have killed for tech like that. Maybe all 11 kids would live to adulthood instead of the normal family deaths in kinderhood.
 
2013-05-12 04:16:08 PM  
I wonder how those who are against cloning feel about in vitro fertilization.  And if they're ok with it, what do they consider morally objectionable about cloning that doesn't also apply to in vitro fertilization?
 
2013-05-12 04:30:44 PM  
The list failed on #1 - well over 10% of the nation does not believe in "god"...


and the rest of it borders on stupid half the time....
 
2013-05-12 04:36:55 PM  

uknesvuinng: I wonder how those who are against cloning feel about in vitro fertilization.  And if they're ok with it, what do they consider morally objectionable about cloning that doesn't also apply to in vitro fertilization?


Besides the fact that both happen in labs, there isn't a whole lot that is similar between IVF and cloning.

Cloning in animal models has resulted in extremely high rates of pregnancy loss and neonatal death. The few that survive that are usually stricken with severe health problems and drastically shortened lifespans. Creating humans intentionally when we KNOW they will most likely die in infancy or suffer short, horrible lives is unethical.

These are not problems that occur with IVF. There's no reason one can't be against human cloning if they agree with IVF and other ARTs.
 
2013-05-12 04:38:42 PM  

LordZorch: The list failed on #1 - well over 10% of the nation does not believe in "god"...


and the rest of it borders on stupid half the time....


This makes it look pretty close:

religions.pewforum.org

Only 4% of the population identifies as athiest or agnostic.  90% may not believe in the God of the Abrahamic religions, but they may still believe in a God/multiple Gods/universal 'godlike' spiritual force
 
2013-05-12 04:57:18 PM  
believe it's their duty to always vote
Bull. shiat.
 
2013-05-12 05:06:04 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: namatad: believe it's their duty to always vote.

HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHHA
no really, let me laugh HARDER

BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAH

in 2012 (all numbers are based on estimates, your exact number will vary, but will be similar)
241 million americans are voting age
180 million are registered to vote
129 million voted

75% are registered
72% of registered voters actually voted
54% of eligible citizens voted

so that 90% who that it is their duty to vote?, well almost half of them lied.
so pretty much your poll results are completely suspect

unless they think "duty to vote" doesnt actually include ACTUALLY voting!! LOLOL

What people say and what people do aren't always the same thing, news at 11.

At least those who aren't voting apparently feel a little guilty about it.


No, they make excuses as to why they are exempt.
 
2013-05-12 05:15:01 PM  
List fails without:

Republicans are d-bags
 
2013-05-12 05:52:19 PM  

MidnightSkulker: uknesvuinng: I wonder how those who are against cloning feel about in vitro fertilization.  And if they're ok with it, what do they consider morally objectionable about cloning that doesn't also apply to in vitro fertilization?

Besides the fact that both happen in labs, there isn't a whole lot that is similar between IVF and cloning.

Cloning in animal models has resulted in extremely high rates of pregnancy loss and neonatal death. The few that survive that are usually stricken with severe health problems and drastically shortened lifespans. Creating humans intentionally when we KNOW they will most likely die in infancy or suffer short, horrible lives is unethical.

These are not problems that occur with IVF. There's no reason one can't be against human cloning if they agree with IVF and other ARTs.


I'd think of that as more of a technical issue than an inherent moral issue with cloning.  Yeah, it is unethical to use it for those reasons, but it's a problem with the current state of our abilities to clone as opposed to the actual concept of cloning humans.  I could be wrong, but I don't think those issues are what most people have in mind.
 
2013-05-12 05:59:38 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: believe it's wrong for married people to have affairs. Yes, but marriage is an outdated idea anyway.


I told that to both of my ex-wives and found the argument carries zero traction in real life.
 
2013-05-12 06:03:00 PM  
I only agree with 5.5 of those 12 things.

/half is for the sex outside marriage thing. I think its wrong inasmuch is you're probably violating an oath to your spouse and will hurt them. if they're ok with it, i dont care
 
2013-05-12 06:03:05 PM  

RedPhoenix122: No, they make excuses as to why they are exempt


I ran out of gas.  An old friend came in from out of town.  I had a flat tire.  There was a hurricane.  AN EARTHQUAKE
 
2013-05-12 06:04:53 PM  
I call bullshiat on 90% of it.
 
2013-05-12 06:38:39 PM  

Nabb1: Cloning is wrong? Aw, man.


DISAGREE:

cdn.bbcamerica.com
 
2013-05-12 06:42:26 PM  
-believe in God. NOPE
-are very patriotic. NOPE
-consider preventing terrorism a very important foreign policy goal. NOPE
-admire those who get rich by working hard. NOPE, lobbying to change the rules and only have them apply to everyone else isn't "working hard"
-think society should ensure everyone has equal opportunity to succeed. Sure, good luck with that.
-think it's important to get more than a high school education. YUP
-favor teaching sex education in public schools. YUP
-find birth control morally acceptable. Birth control should be a right.
-believe cloning humans would be morally wrong. NOPE, I'm sensing a them with this "morally" bs.
-believe it's wrong for married people to have affairs. Sure
-are interested in keeping up with national affairs. YUP
-believe it's their duty to always vote. YUP
 
2013-05-12 06:48:23 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Only 4% of the population identifies as athiest or agnostic. 90% may not believe in the God of the Abrahamic religions, but they may still believe in a God/multiple Gods/universal 'godlike' spiritual force


It's actually 20% as of October 2012, with 1/3rd of people under 30.  I was going to link directly to the Pew study on it, but I think linking to Glenn Beck's website's article on it is funnier

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10/09/pew-20-of-americans-are-n ow -atheist-agnostic-or-unaffiliated-with-a-religion/
 
2013-05-12 06:50:02 PM  

SnakeLee: TuteTibiImperes: Only 4% of the population identifies as athiest or agnostic. 90% may not believe in the God of the Abrahamic religions, but they may still believe in a God/multiple Gods/universal 'godlike' spiritual force

It's actually 20% as of October 2012, with 1/3rd of people under 30.  I was going to link directly to the Pew study on it, but I think linking to Glenn Beck's website's article on it is funnier

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10/09/pew-20-of-americans-are-n ow -atheist-agnostic-or-unaffiliated-with-a-religion/


Oh wait you weren't counting general unaffiliated.  It's only at 5.7%, holy shiat I could have sworn it would have been higher
 
2013-05-12 06:56:52 PM  
-believe in God.   Nope.

-are very patriotic.   Not blindly.  We have to always be improving.

-consider preventing terrorism a very important foreign policy goal.   Maybe in ways other than violence and not at the expense of rights.

-admire those who get rich by working hard.   Admire those who work effectively.

-think society should ensure everyone has equal opportunity to succeed.   Or at least live.

-think it's important to get more than a high school education.   However, college isn't everything.

-favor teaching sex education in public schools.   Preferably earlier than later.

-find birth control morally acceptable.   While I agree with that, I don't think people's morals should dictate the availability of birth control.

-believe cloning humans would be morally wrong.   Nope.

-believe it's wrong for married people to have affairs.   What sort of affairs?

-are interested in keeping up with national affairs.   Well, not for married people.

-believe it's their duty to always vote.   If you don't vote, you have no right to complain.
 
2013-05-12 07:00:11 PM  

Paris1127: -believe it's their duty to always vote.

Then why's turnout so low?


Because 90% of americans also believe... are lazy... whatever
 
2013-05-12 07:01:37 PM  
Subby's mom charges way too much for her services?
 
2013-05-12 07:03:17 PM  

Paris1127: -believe it's their duty to always vote.

Then why's turnout so low?


Lack of maps and such as.
 
2013-05-12 07:04:23 PM  
think society should ensure everyone has equal opportunity to succeed.

This one sounds good until you think about what enforcing it literally would require. You're pretty much into dystopian sci-fi territory, there.
 
2013-05-12 07:05:14 PM  
I agree with making lists of things.
 
2013-05-12 07:06:32 PM  

Paris1127: -believe it's their duty to always vote.

Then why's turnout so low?


Because this list is bullshiat.

Aside:

-believe in God. no
-are very patriotic. no; not un-, just not blind either
-consider preventing terrorism a very important foreign policy goal.good luck with that
-admire those who get rich by working hard.no-ish.
-think society should ensure everyone has equal opportunity to succeed.yes-ish
-think it's important to get more than a high school education.yes
-favor teaching sex education in public schools.yes
-find birth control morally acceptable.yes
-believe cloning humans would be morally wrong.no
-believe it's wrong for married people to have affairs.not any of my business unless you are married to me
-are interested in keeping up with national affairs.yes
-believe it's their duty to always vote.no; it's a right, not a duty.
 
2013-05-12 07:06:43 PM  
Is this another  we've-surveyed-200-people-and-will-use-their-answers-to-create-blanke t -assumptions-for-over-300-million-people type of poll?
 
2013-05-12 07:08:13 PM  
And the last point shows exactly why polls are so worthless.
 
2013-05-12 07:09:27 PM  
// bored, so WTH

believe in God. No

are very patriotic: No

consider preventing terrorism a very important foreign policy goal: Meh

admire those who get rich by working hard: Meh, (I admire people who get rich by being smart, any goon can get rich by working themselves to death).

think society should ensure everyone has equal opportunity to succeed: Yes

think it's important to get more than a high school education: Yes (But this doesn't necessarily mean college.)

favor teaching sex education in public schools: Meh, the smart kids already looked it up on the internet, the dumb kids won't listen no matter how much you teach them.

find birth control morally acceptable: Yes

believe cloning humans would be morally wrong: No. I don't want kids, but if I could raise a clone of myself, it would probably be able to take over the world by the time it was my age.

believe it's wrong for married people to have affairs: Yeah, I guess, marriage isn't much these days.

are interested in keeping up with national affairs: No

believe it's their duty to always vote: Nope (the partisian system is a crock, it would be a complete waste of my time to follow politics or vote in any way shape or form)
 
2013-05-12 07:10:24 PM  
-believe cloning humans would be morally wrong. Why?

For some, I suspect it's because it would potentially endanger the already shaky reasons for:

-believe in God.
 
2013-05-12 07:10:37 PM  
-think society should ensure everyone has equal opportunity to succeed.

What the fark does that even mean? It's the same as saying -think society should ensure everyone has the equal opportunity to have fun.You'd have to start snipping pieces of brains out of the most successful people and putting roadblocks in their way to success, just as you'd need to piss in the punch bowl of the people who are having the most fun to bring their fun quotient down to the level of those not having so much fun.
 
2013-05-12 07:11:44 PM  

SnakeLee: SnakeLee: TuteTibiImperes: Only 4% of the population identifies as athiest or agnostic. 90% may not believe in the God of the Abrahamic religions, but they may still believe in a God/multiple Gods/universal 'godlike' spiritual force

It's actually 20% as of October 2012, with 1/3rd of people under 30.  I was going to link directly to the Pew study on it, but I think linking to Glenn Beck's website's article on it is funnier

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10/09/pew-20-of-americans-are-n ow -atheist-agnostic-or-unaffiliated-with-a-religion/

Oh wait you weren't counting general unaffiliated.  It's only at 5.7%, holy shiat I could have sworn it would have been higher


Yeah, I was just counting the ones who called themselves atheist or agnostic.  Without knowing the exact questions asked it's hard to  know what they mean by unaffiliated.  I consider myself to be Christian as that's the structure I was brought up in, but I don't attend services, believe that the Bible should be taken literally, or feel particularly strongly about any of the positions of organized religion.  I believe that there is a God, but not that there is one religion which is right and that all others are wrong - the actual motions, ceremony, and by what name (or names) you address God are all secondary.  I'm not sure what that makes me.
 
2013-05-12 07:12:21 PM  
-believe in God.  NO

-are very patriotic.  Kinda

-consider preventing terrorism a very important foreign policy goal.  Not really

-admire those who get rich by working hard.  Meh...just take care of your responsibilities

-think society should ensure everyone has equal opportunity to succeed.  YES

-think it's important to get more than a high school education.  NO--my BA has nothing to do with my income level at all

-favor teaching sex education in public schools.  YES--do it real good

-find birth control morally acceptable.  YEP

-believe cloning humans would be morally wrong.  NOPE

-believe it's wrong for married people to have affairs.  Yea--why bother

-are interested in keeping up with national affairs. NO--they all suck

-believe it's their duty to always vote.  NOPE
 
2013-05-12 07:12:54 PM  
Is this where the farkers in the extreme minority on many issues accuse the list of being bogus because 90% of farkers agree with THEIR views?

/this site is not very "diverse"
 
2013-05-12 07:13:34 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: -think society should ensure everyone has equal opportunity to succeed.

What the fark does that even mean? It's the same as saying -think society should ensure everyone has the equal opportunity to have fun.You'd have to start snipping pieces of brains out of the most successful people and putting roadblocks in their way to success, just as you'd need to piss in the punch bowl of the people who are having the most fun to bring their fun quotient down to the level of those not having so much fun.


It doesn't mean anything. It's a slogan to make us feel good about not having a strong welfare state.
 
2013-05-12 07:13:52 PM  
It looks like 90% are willing to lie to pollsters.
 
2013-05-12 07:14:48 PM  
-believe in God.
Nope

-are very patriotic.
Not really.
-consider preventing terrorism a very important foreign policy goal.
I think too much importance has been put on this over other goals.
-admire those who get rich by working hard.
I admire people by what they accomplish, not by how much they have in their bank account. Although I don't begrudge people their wealth either.
-think society should ensure everyone has equal opportunity to succeed.
First one I agree with, yes.
-think it's important to get more than a high school education.
Pretty much, although that doesn't necessarily mean college nor should education stop at college.
-favor teaching sex education in public schools.
Huh, didn't know this was that widely accepted, but yes.
-find birth control morally acceptable.
Of course, only some Catholic holdouts believe otherwise.
-believe cloning humans would be morally wrong.
I don't actually think it's morally wrong, but I don't think it should be used in the current state until the technology improves.
-believe it's wrong for married people to have affairs.
Unless they have an open marriage, then yes it's wrong
-are interested in keeping up with national affairs.
Definitely a good idea to do so.
-believe it's their duty to always vote.
 Pretty much, although I don't know how 9 out of 10 Americans believing this jives with half of the country not voting.
 
2013-05-12 07:14:53 PM  
TuteTibiImperes: Yeah, I was just counting the ones who called themselves atheist or agnostic.

Everyone forgets about the Buddhists and Taoists.
 
2013-05-12 07:14:58 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: -think society should ensure everyone has equal opportunity to succeed.

What the fark does that even mean? It's the same as saying -think society should ensure everyone has the equal opportunity to have fun.You'd have to start snipping pieces of brains out of the most successful people and putting roadblocks in their way to success, just as you'd need to piss in the punch bowl of the people who are having the most fun to bring their fun quotient down to the level of those not having so much fun.


So we'll take that as a "no" then? :-)
 
2013-05-12 07:15:22 PM  
-believe in God. No
-are very patriotic. Define "very"
-consider preventing terrorism a very important foreign policy goal. No
-admire those who get rich BY WORKING HARD. Yes
-think society should ensure everyone has equal opportunity to succeed. Yes
-think it's important to get more than a high school education. Yes
-favor teaching sex education in public schools. Yes
-find birth control morally acceptable. Yes
-believe cloning humans would be morally wrong. No
-believe it's wrong for married people to have affairs. Without mutual consent, yes
-are interested in keeping up with national affairs. Yes
-believe it's their duty to always vote. Yes
 
2013-05-12 07:15:54 PM  

Gwyrddu: Pretty much, although I don't know how 9 out of 10 Americans believing this jives with half of the country not voting.


About 30% of Americans also consider laziness a duty more powerful than voting.
 
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