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(The Raw Story)   Former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates: Republicans have a "cartoonish impression" of US military capability. OH SNAP   (rawstory.com) divider line 145
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2013-05-12 06:20:59 PM
17 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


Another lie Republicans spout to make themselves feel better.

Like, "Republicans are fiscally responsible," or "We're tough on terrorism," or "I'm not gay."
2013-05-13 07:58:43 AM
11 votes:
Physicists at MIT report that this thread has given them new insight into the way the universe works.  "We saw goalposts move so fast, that they appeared to exceed the speed of light.  The goalposts actually achieved quantum entanglement, which meant that any two goalposts could occupy any two points in the universe. In fact, we theorize that they occupied every point in the universe simultaneously."  The research resulted in the discovery of a new quantum entity, the derpon.
2013-05-12 07:53:03 PM
9 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


Which is why during the last Republican administration, the only people with confirmed kills during the Vietnam years were a career military general and the First Lady.

Maybe we should have sent Laura over there with a '63 Chevy and a bottle of Night Train.
2013-05-12 06:18:12 PM
8 votes:
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2013-05-12 05:16:56 PM
7 votes:
Gates: Benghazi-obsessed Republicans have 'cartoonish' view of military capability reality.

Fixed that for everyone.
2013-05-12 06:21:16 PM
6 votes:
Is Benghazi a cartoon yet?

oilersnation.com

Everything's comin' up Milhouse.
2013-05-12 06:50:48 PM
5 votes:

Rincewind53: Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.

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/p.s. Inouye had a goddamn Medal of Honor


i56.tinypic.com
2013-05-13 12:36:36 AM
4 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: MustangFive: 11C & 11B, 22 years (so far), SFC, CIB, EIB.

22 years and a SFC? Your career seems to have stalled a bit, wouldn't you say? I was throwing a packet together for the SFC board when I decided to get out after 8 years.

So which of your infantry badges are you more proud of, the one given to all grunts who put boots on the ground in a combat zone or the one that requires you to do some half assed course that required such challenging tasks as applying a field dressing and throwing a hand grenade?


Yeah, 22 years and an SFC. I could have been promoted years ago. I don't want to be a MSG or 1SG. I like working directly with Soldiers, with infantrymen. I am privileged to have the distinct honor of doing so. Someone has to teach and train them what to do when shiat goes sideways.

Since you decided to make an issue of ASVAB scores, my AFQT(overall ASVAB score) is 99, my GT is 134 and my MM is 136. Why, oh why, I'm sure you'll cry, would I choose the infantry? Cuz I'm not a pussy.

I'm far happier and much prefer to work with young men who, unlike some people, have the balls to say "give me the hard job, the one with actual risk," than to play pencil-pusher in an office surrounded by PX Rangers and fobbit types whose only fears are paper cuts, a bad OER/NCOER & the mess hall not serving steak & seafood on Friday.

Now, I know that I can't possibly measure up in your eyes. I know kicking down doors and getting in firefights pales in comparison to the dangers posed by low fluid levels and using the wrong size of cotter pin. Screw up a 2404 and the war will be lost! (BTW, a 4-man stack IS NOT "a line at the shoppette that indicates the need to open a second checkout register"). I know that the Army relies heavily on the support MOS's, so much so that they created the CAB to recognize their sacrifices in combat theaters (Cotton Absorbent Badge). Without you self-appointed life-takers and heartbreakers, I'm sure us lowly grunts (AKA, the ones doing the actual fighting and making actual sacrifices) would have no one to look to as sources of inspiration when lead starts flying.

So, thanks for doing what you did while you served. I'm sure you changed the world and made the PX safe for democracy.

Or, in other words:

For those who know, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, none is possible.
2013-05-12 11:17:24 PM
4 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: cameroncrazy1984: Dude, a smart person should know when he should stop posting.

Get out of here son, the veterans are taking shots at each other. Perhaps a nice game of Call of Duty would be more up your alley.


I didn't know they made a Call of Duty: Helicopter Mechanic. I gotta pick that up! Is it scary?
2013-05-12 10:31:16 PM
4 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: This thread reminds me of my time in my fantasy Army, jealous grunts angry over not being able to qualify for an aviation MOS, my GI Joe doll giving me the silent treatment yet again because I refuse to put clothes on him, instead choosing to promote my Cabbage Patch doll to the rank of Brigadier General. I'll leave you so I can imagine you guys to your growing circle jerk, much like when I was serving in my bedroom, we tried to keep away from the unwashed masses in combat arms, but then mom would call out for dinner and I'd have to put on my big boy pants.


FIFY.
2013-05-12 07:08:43 PM
4 votes:

Radioactive Ass: hubiestubert: Well, he's right. Folks seem to think that their military is sitting in a room waiting to be unleashed like a video game. You have X amount of units, and they can respond immediately to any threat within their area of operations at a moment's notice. That we have everyone on alert, 24 hours a day, and that units are just waiting to be sent out, planes and helicopters gassed up and ready, and already armed with various payloads, and pilots just pick the plane or chopper that is right for the mission like it's some kind of game.

Sh*t ain't like that. And that we have folks on the Armed Services Committee without any working knowledge of how our military works, is damn frightening.

I'd just say that this comment by Gates:

"We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East - despite all the turmoil that's going on - with planes on strip alert, troops ready to deploy at a moment's notice. And so, getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible."

Is a problem. Let's just say it. It's September 11th, in the Middle East, with known turmoil going on, Why the hell wouldn't you have some forces in the area on standby in case something does happen and they are needed? The guys in the consulate wouldn't know that you didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable (or "Cartoonish") idea to assume that you had someone in charge who could think ahead enough to be prepared just in case.

If it had happened on, say, the 11th of February or whatever then I could understand it. You are correct, we don't usually have troops on hot standby 24\7 and haven't for a very long time (Cold war era). But to have to go to Norther Italy, Spain and Croatia for men and equipment (and even then they aren't on standby, on Sept. 11th) is a major screw up by someone.


Thank you for illustrating exactly the mental deficiency and willful and proud ignorance that our Congresscritters are displaying. It was a brave choice to make yourself the example, and I commend you for your selflessness...
2013-05-12 07:01:17 PM
4 votes:

A Dark Evil Omen: They should have just dispatched Solid Snake. He totally would have kicked the Bengayzee's asses. Sam Fisher, Commander Shepard or Kirby would also have been acceptable choices.


Number of times my Call of Duty Clan [AKFU] was called by Obama: 0

And with an average K/D ration of 15:1, I think we know a little something about a) how to take out a mob. and B) That it only takes .8 seconds to call in an airstrike.  Don't even get me stared on how to thin out a crowd by spamming bouncing bettys.
2013-05-13 08:07:11 AM
3 votes:

FullMetalPanda: Dumbasses should have just called me.

I would have jumped on a diving board over and over getting higher with each bounce until I went into space.  I would have held my breath while I orbited the earth 10 times just because I'm such a badass.  Then I would have plummeted down toward bengazi like a meteor.  The flames would have enveloped me and took the form of a flaming eagle as I dropped down on them screaming.

I would have reached them in only five minutes.  Then I would have hefted a M2 HB .50 cal HMG with just one arm with 5,000,000 rounds draped over me firing one handed while screaming the whole time killing every rag head in sight.  Those .50 cal rounds would have been Ruafus rounds meaning each time I hit a rag head they would have vaporized into a red mist.  Walking down to the compound firing non stop screaming while eagles circled above me crying their tears of freedom on the rag heads as they exploded one after another.  The rag heads would have been laying down a murderous volume of fire as rounds grazed my flesh as I closed in on them firing non stop.  Then with my free hand I would have ripped a 20 mm cannon from the carriage mount nearby and racked it like Sarah Conner did with the shotgun in T2 to chamber a round and fire with both the .50 cal and 20 mm cannon into the rag heads.  I would have wiped out all the rag heads only if they bothered to call me.

Yep,  So it's all Obama's fault.  The eagles flying over me are crying tears of freedom right now because they know what could have been if only he called me instead of sleeping in at 3 AM.



W...would you autograph my boner?
2013-05-13 08:01:26 AM
3 votes:
Dumbasses should have just called me.

I would have jumped on a diving board over and over getting higher with each bounce until I went into space.  I would have held my breath while I orbited the earth 10 times just because I'm such a badass.  Then I would have plummeted down toward bengazi like a meteor.  The flames would have enveloped me and took the form of a flaming eagle as I dropped down on them screaming.

I would have reached them in only five minutes.  Then I would have hefted a M2 HB .50 cal HMG with just one arm with 5,000,000 rounds draped over me firing one handed while screaming the whole time killing every rag head in sight.  Those .50 cal rounds would have been Ruafus rounds meaning each time I hit a rag head they would have vaporized into a red mist.  Walking down to the compound firing non stop screaming while eagles circled above me crying their tears of freedom on the rag heads as they exploded one after another.  The rag heads would have been laying down a murderous volume of fire as rounds grazed my flesh as I closed in on them firing non stop.  Then with my free hand I would have ripped a 20 mm cannon from the carriage mount nearby and racked it like Sarah Conner did with the shotgun in T2 to chamber a round and fire with both the .50 cal and 20 mm cannon into the rag heads.  I would have wiped out all the rag heads only if they bothered to call me.

Yep,  So it's all Obama's fault.  The eagles flying over me are crying tears of freedom right now because they know what could have been if only he called me instead of sleeping in at 3 AM.
2013-05-12 11:14:58 PM
3 votes:
This is my favorite thread in a long while, even though I have no idea what any of these acronyms mean.
2013-05-12 10:21:27 PM
3 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: This thread reminds me of my time in the Army, jealous grunts angry over not being able to qualify for an aviation MOS. I'll leave you guys to your growing circle jerk, much like when I was serving, we tried to keep away from the unwashed masses in combat arms.


Sir Johnny bravely ran away!
2013-05-12 09:59:55 PM
3 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: This thread reminds me of my time in the Army, jealous grunts angry over not being able to qualify for an aviation MOS. I'll leave you guys to your growing circle jerk, much like when I was serving, we tried to keep away from the unwashed masses in combat arms.


I see someone has to get to the gym in 26 minutes.
2013-05-12 09:29:04 PM
3 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: 19 Kilo: So, you were a pogue-ass pouge who served during the coldest point in the cold war?  Man, I hope when I need a rotary wing mechanic to explain force on force conflict to me, you're around.

What's wrong, test scores not high enough for aviation?


You actually pulled the elitist card for an MOS with a 105 Mechanical Maintenance minimum score?  That has to the saddest attempt at an OH SNAP I've ever seen.
2013-05-12 09:27:49 PM
3 votes:
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2013-05-12 08:25:14 PM
3 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


Popcorn Johnny: buckler: Sure. How many Democrats were in your units, ya think?

Well since we didn't sit around talking politics, I wouldn't really know. You do realize that the split of those who identify themselves as a republican or democrat is pretty much an even split, right? No idea what point you're trying to make here.


DIG UP, STUPID.
2013-05-12 08:17:53 PM
3 votes:

VictoryCabal: I blame Michael Bay.  I know that's my stock answer for a lot of things, but stick with me here.  Remember early in the first Transformers movie -- hold on, don't pretend you didn't see it.  Remember early in the movie when the soldiers are fleeing across the desert and they're attacked by Scorponok?  One of them makes a credit card call and within an minute and a half, an AC-130 begins raining fiery death and saves teh day.

I'm convinced a lot of Benghazi derpers honestly believe the military works this way.  I remember early in the Benghazi story, there was an actual Freeper conspiracy theory about an AC-130 circling overhead which Obama personally told to stand down so as not to offend Muslims, or something.

Anyway, they seem to think this is how shiat actually works.  Which is why I blame Michael Bay.


If our schools taught science and logical thinking more gooder, then people would walk out of Michael Bay movies because they are full of plot holes and blatant physics violations.

Yes, yes, movie.  But there's suspension of disbelief, and then there is hanging it by the neck until dead and then hitting it with sticks until the candy comes out, and nobody questions why a fresh corpse is full of candy.  Then the candy explodes, for no adequately explored reason.
2013-05-12 06:44:09 PM
3 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


You shut your whore mouth, chickenhawk.
2013-05-12 06:40:14 PM
3 votes:

fusillade762: Radioactive Ass: Is a problem. Let's just say it. It's September 11th, in the Middle East, with known turmoil going on, Why the hell wouldn't you have some forces in the area on standby in case something does happen and they are needed? The guys in the consulate wouldn't know that you didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable (or "Cartoonish") idea to assume that you had someone in charge who could think ahead enough to be prepared just in case.

Budget cuts. And ask yourself who was responsible for those.


The democrats, if they had won enough seats the GOP would not have had the power to cut the budget.
2013-05-12 05:53:37 PM
3 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


I bet that you are a big Ted Nugent fan, aren't you, sunshine?

FAIL.
2013-05-12 03:32:13 PM
3 votes:
Gates: 911, please send the fire department to my house - I see flames.
911: I´m sorry, they couldn´t possibly get there in time.
Gates: How do you know? Please, please.
911: You have a cartoonish view of fire department capability.


/ripped from RPool
2013-05-13 07:51:28 AM
2 votes:

Zeppelininthesky: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: SunsetLament: Nope, the Pentagon has already backtracked on the "no stand down order" ... now they are trying to say that the words "stand down" were never used, instead they simply told Gibson he couldn't get on the plane. There is absolutely no facts at issue whether or not someone above Gibson told him not to leave Tripoli (Hicks says it's what Gibson told him, NBC News confirmed it with their Pentagon sources ... and then the Pentagon yesterday came out and confirmed it).

So US military units as small as four men are just flying around foreign countries kicking whichever asses they deem appropriate until someone says, "Hey, stand down."? Cuz that just sounds, I dunno, like a cartoon.

All made of Chuck Norris.


1) Chuck Norris is a Republican
2) Chuck Norris could have roundhouse kicked all the terrorists before the attack started

therefore

Republicans are to blame for the deaths at Benghazi
2013-05-13 12:30:21 AM
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Popcorn Johnny: Bootleg: Out of interest, where in Germany where you?

Giebelstadt Army Airfield.

Clearly the front lines. I bet those hausfraus were intimidating!



I still have my purple heart from the battle of Oktoberfest 92
2013-05-12 11:31:47 PM
2 votes:

demaL-demaL-yeH: 19 Kilo: Well, in SSG Popcorn's defense, FRH (hydraulic fluid) is pretty nasty stuff.

Tell me about it.
Least fun job ever: Pumping that cherry juice out of the well by hand after the gun decided to spring a leak. You pretty much have to sit in the damned well to do it.

/Are we good, or do you need to throw a "crunchy" or two at me?


We're down like two flat tires.  No worries, yo.

Popcorn Johnny: clkeagle: So you served in a low-density MOS

Yeah, the Army only had 9 helicopters and most of those were used for beer runs.


Man, for someone without the beans to serve in a front line unit, you sure do know how to dig and keep digging.
2013-05-12 11:30:05 PM
2 votes:

dlp211: It was always the support blabbing about how badass they are and then letting the infantry guys clean up your mess.


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2013-05-12 11:22:25 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: dlp211: Ok badass.  You think your such a hot shot b/c you were going to put your packet in.  Last time I checked, putting a packet in meant nothing.  No one gets picked up on they're first look, especially not in 1994.

I was sitting at the top of the potential candidates for SFC, even with my short time as a SSG. I was pretty mush a shoe in to make SFC in a couple of years. Only took me 5.5 to make SSG.


blogs.westword.com
2013-05-12 11:22:05 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Bootleg: Out of interest, where in Germany where you?

Giebelstadt Army Airfield.


Clearly the front lines. I bet those hausfraus were intimidating!
2013-05-12 10:59:04 PM
2 votes:

Radioactive Ass: Philip Francis Queeg: well then tell us exactly what response time you think should been in place throughout the mid east. two hours? 4? 12?

4 to 5 depending upon the location would have been reasonable in my opinion (from getting the word to go until landing).

Karac: That's, at most, an hour and 45 minutes between the beginning of the attack and the death of the ambassador. You say that the military should have had someone standing by that could have saved their lives. One hour to just get to Benghazi is consistent with your requirement since they'd still need time to fight off the attackers.

Nice of you to admit that your own criteria are cartoonish.

What? That was not what my comments are addressing at all. I'm saying that apparently nobody even thought that it might be a good idea to have some people being more prepared than what they were on that particular date. I have already said that I don't know if it would have helped or not. Nobody else could have known that at the time or a week before that either for that matter. However they knew that the date had some importance and that there was already ongoing turmoil and apparently took no steps to prepare for the increased likelihood that someone might try something violent against some of our interests in the Middle East.


So, in your head, EVERY Embassy where there are Muslims near--you do realize that Islam IS indeed a world wide religion with adherents across the globe, and even in China and Europe, we should have had teams mobilized and ready to drop boots, just in case, when they had regular security--and in fact had that security downsized a bit thanks to budget cuts--on the possibility that there might be extra trouble on that particular day, as opposed to staff trying to assess the situation on the ground?  I just want to be clear on this vision that you have. Because, as I stated from the get go: you exemplify the exact cartoonish thought process that was being discussed, and again, I congratulate you on sticking to it, because some folks might realize the enormity of the task that they figure is just "good thinking" after the fact, but you Sir, you have abandoned any pretense of rational thought process, and are hard charging of the "just asking the questions" hill. Kudos. It takes a brave man to fly in the face of facts with such reckless abandon, and still posit such ponderous "questions"...
2013-05-12 10:48:11 PM
2 votes:

hubiestubert: Too bad that those "jealous grunts" would have been the guys who actually carried out any rescue attempts, while the mechanics got to cheer on from the safety of the shed. I think he should keep digging. He hasn't quite hit bedrock yet, and I think that if he just pushes deeper, he can win us over with his vast reservoir of experience and daring do of battling vicious hydrolics and the vast number of hexnuts that he's personally loosened...


I don't think I've seen a more effective pwning on Fark for quite some time. I suppose we'll need to be on the lookout for a new login called Butterlover's Frank or something.
2013-05-12 10:46:43 PM
2 votes:
67V? A friggin' helicopter mechanic??? Really out there on the sharp end, huh?

Well, I know who to turn to when I need advice on ground combat-related matters.

/11C & 11B, 22 years (so far), SFC, CIB, EIB.
//Let's not get into an ASVAB score dick measuring contest. A 105 Mechanical Maintenance sub-score ain't exactly indicative of a rocket surgeon, ITG.
///Next up, JohnnyPopcorn talks about how he's "been there and done that"
////Did what exactly? Checked that bolts were tightened to proper torque specs? What a badass!
2013-05-12 10:43:26 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: This thread reminds me of my time in the Army, jealous grunts angry over not being able to qualify for an aviation MOS. I'll leave you guys to your growing circle jerk, much like when I was serving, we tried to keep away from the unwashed masses in combat arms.


Wife-like typing detected.
2013-05-12 10:13:37 PM
2 votes:

19 Kilo: Popcorn Johnny: buckler: Tell me, Johnny, when and where did you serve, and in what branch?

US Army 1986 to 1994. Rank: SSG MOS: 67V

Served in Korea, Germany, Texas and Iraq.

Any other questions?

So, you were a pogue-ass pouge who served during the coldest point in the cold war?  Man, I hope when I need a rotary wing mechanic to explain force on force conflict to me, you're around.


He kind of reminds me of back when Pat Robertson was running for President and started bragging about his service in Korea. Then, some of his servicemates pointed out that his main job was making sure the bars at the Base Camp Officers Club stayed stocked. One retired officer said "The closest Pat Robertson ever came to action was at a Tokyo whorehouse."
2013-05-12 10:11:37 PM
2 votes:

HK-MP5-SD: MisterRonbo: Gyrfalcon: In the same way, sure, four of our Special Forces guys were willing to go to Benghazi, and there was a C-130 that could have taken them, and it's a 4-hour flight from Tripoli-

And what seldom gets mentioned is that the four Special Forces guys in Tripoli weren't equipped for combat. They were on a fact-finding mission, and armed only with 9mm sidearms.  No rifles, no body armor, no grenades, no comm equipment. Dropping off four officers armed with pistols to fight their way through a crowd armed with AKs - gee, what could possibly go wrong?

There was a Marine detachment at the embassy equipped with M-4 assault rifles, shotguns, M203 grenade launchers, hand grenades, body armor, and  possibly a SAW or two.  I think that if the President or someone in their chain of command in the pentagon had ordered the marines, they might have loaned the special forces troops some hardware, don't you?


So there was a marine detachment at the "embassy" that was a consulate and they didn't/couldn't fight off the crowd?  So, you're saying Marines are pussies?

Why do you hate America, guy who's online name is a German gun?

/hitler.
//godwin.
2013-05-12 09:58:18 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: This thread reminds me of my time in the Army, jealous grunts angry over not being able to qualify for an aviation MOS. I'll leave you guys to your growing circle jerk, much like when I was serving, we tried to keep away from the unwashed masses in combat arms.


This was my favorite chairborne ranger retrograde maneuver ever.

demaL-demaL-yeH: Popcorn Johnny: demaL-demaL-yeH:  Did you farking sleep through BNCOC?

What in the hell are you talking about? I don't remember laying out an attack plan, so I have no idea what you're trying to argue here.

That certainly answers my question. Thanks.

/I'll stick with DAT's assessment, then.


Did you just call me a DAT?
2013-05-12 09:49:47 PM
2 votes:
Wow, Popcorn Johnny's Internet Tough Guy credentials are getting shot down pretty fast.
2013-05-12 09:44:13 PM
2 votes:

demaL-demaL-yeH: Popcorn Johnny: buckler: Tell me, Johnny, when and where did you serve, and in what branch?

US Army 1986 to 1994. Rank: SSG MOS: 67V
Served in Korea, Germany, Texas and Iraq.
Any other questions?

Yes: Seeing as you've been a helicopter mechanic, why don't you have any clue about the unrefueled range of the machines and whether pilots would be in any shape to run a mission in a hostile environment without ground spotters, SAM suppression, or andy logistics on the ground there? Did you farking sleep through BNCOC?


Shush.  His ASVAB score was  really big.  He clearly knows about gunfights.
2013-05-12 08:59:57 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: buckler: Tell me, Johnny, when and where did you serve, and in what branch?

US Army 1986 to 1994. Rank: SSG MOS: 67V

Served in Korea, Germany, Texas and Iraq.

Any other questions?


So, you were a pogue-ass pouge who served during the coldest point in the cold war?  Man, I hope when I need a rotary wing mechanic to explain force on force conflict to me, you're around.
2013-05-12 08:46:50 PM
2 votes:

SamWaters: Did Obama find the Benghazi Killers yet?  He promised to find and arrest them. How hard can it be?  He has pictures and everything.

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Alert the Strike Force! Be on the lookout for 'Non' from Superman II, Tupac Shakur and the Geico Caveman!
SHOW THEM NO MERCY!
2013-05-12 08:42:32 PM
2 votes:
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2013-05-12 08:37:44 PM
2 votes:

Radioactive Ass: hubiestubert: Well, he's right. Folks seem to think that their military is sitting in a room waiting to be unleashed like a video game. You have X amount of units, and they can respond immediately to any threat within their area of operations at a moment's notice. That we have everyone on alert, 24 hours a day, and that units are just waiting to be sent out, planes and helicopters gassed up and ready, and already armed with various payloads, and pilots just pick the plane or chopper that is right for the mission like it's some kind of game.

Sh*t ain't like that. And that we have folks on the Armed Services Committee without any working knowledge of how our military works, is damn frightening.

I'd just say that this comment by Gates:

"We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East - despite all the turmoil that's going on - with planes on strip alert, troops ready to deploy at a moment's notice. And so, getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible."

Is a problem. Let's just say it. It's September 11th, in the Middle East, with known turmoil going on, Why the hell wouldn't you have some forces in the area on standby in case something does happen and they are needed? The guys in the consulate wouldn't know that you didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable (or "Cartoonish") idea to assume that you had someone in charge who could think ahead enough to be prepared just in case.

If it had happened on, say, the 11th of February or whatever then I could understand it. You are correct, we don't usually have troops on hot standby 24\7 and haven't for a very long time (Cold war era). But to have to go to Norther Italy, Spain and Croatia for men and equipment (and even then they aren't on standby, on Sept. 11th) is a major screw up by someone.


The date of 9-11 is a big deal in this country. I'm not certain it's as ingrained into the Libyan lexicon as it is ours. I don't think Rudy Giuliani has visited Libya that often, nor do I think the majority of Libyans watch Fox News.

I would submit that to automatically assume a date that's significant to us holds the same significance to other countries is very shallow, arrogant thinking.
2013-05-12 08:16:01 PM
2 votes:
Looks like Gates hit a nerve, Fark Benghazimongers are in a tizzy.
2013-05-12 07:52:01 PM
2 votes:
Also, it's the bad kind of cartoon, too. Not a hip, cool cartoon like Archer, or a crude, snarky cartoon like South Park, or a classic like Loony Tunes, or even a once-great, now slowly-winding-down series like The Simpsons. No, we're talking a very, very bad cartoon, like Clutch Cargo, or one of those cut rate Japanimation pieces of crap that are more storyboard than animation and are filled with repetitive dialog like, "Now I must continue my quest to collect the seven sacred pieces of the dragon amulet because when I have collected them all I will have fulfilled my quest by finding all the pieces and then I will have the whole amulet and my quest will be completed." No, wait, it's more like the kind of cartoon a marginally talented eight-year-old would make by doodling some figures on the edge of the pages in a notebook and then flip through them really fast, only he has attention deficit disorder and gave up after only ten pages or so. Basically, what I'm saying here is that Republicans are just farking retarded, and if there's anything other than a test pattern and a monotone blaring inside their heads, I'd be pretty surprised.
2013-05-12 07:44:39 PM
2 votes:

clkeagle: The Abrams, great system that it is, has been all but useless in the more mountainous regions of Afghanistan. It would be no different in the Balkans, Alps, Himalayas, or Taebaeks. Nor is it useful in any kind of swampy marshland. And in urban settings - which are definitely the conflicts of the future - a platoon of tanks is nothing but collateral damage that can be used as enemy propaganda.


I don't know if I'd want to find an Abrams in the Alps.
2013-05-12 07:16:12 PM
2 votes:

Radioactive Ass: That's above my pay grade, however I find it very hard to believe that if the US had asked that they wouldn't have had too much of a problem finding at least one place in the ME (maybe Turkey, it's fairly well centered in the region and is a NATO Ally) or even Southern Europe to sit for a day or two. Hell just two days ago the US put some forces on alert over what's going on in Libya right now. It's not like they can't do it, it's that they didn't think ahead and do it last Sept.


I suggest you look at a map some time, because Turkey is as far away from Libya as Italy is. But we have military bases in the UAE, maybe they could... damn, that map ruins everything!

It is a big farking planet, and unlike your hindsight psychic abilities, we can't actually predict in advance what day terrorists will attack on (would you have predicted 9/11 prior to 2001?).
2013-05-12 07:05:52 PM
2 votes:
MODERN WARFARE 3 IS REAL TO ME DAMNIT!
2013-05-12 06:53:09 PM
2 votes:

Rincewind53: In this thread: A lot of Fark Independents with cartoonish impressions of US military capahillbillity.

2013-05-12 06:48:30 PM
2 votes:

Radioactive Ass: hubiestubert: Well, he's right. Folks seem to think that their military is sitting in a room waiting to be unleashed like a video game. You have X amount of units, and they can respond immediately to any threat within their area of operations at a moment's notice. That we have everyone on alert, 24 hours a day, and that units are just waiting to be sent out, planes and helicopters gassed up and ready, and already armed with various payloads, and pilots just pick the plane or chopper that is right for the mission like it's some kind of game.

Sh*t ain't like that. And that we have folks on the Armed Services Committee without any working knowledge of how our military works, is damn frightening.

I'd just say that this comment by Gates:

"We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East - despite all the turmoil that's going on - with planes on strip alert, troops ready to deploy at a moment's notice. And so, getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible."

Is a problem. Let's just say it. It's September 11th, in the Middle East, with known turmoil going on, Why the hell wouldn't you have some forces in the area on standby in case something does happen and they are needed? The guys in the consulate wouldn't know that you didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable (or "Cartoonish") idea to assume that you had someone in charge who could think ahead enough to be prepared just in case.

If it had happened on, say, the 11th of February or whatever then I could understand it. You are correct, we don't usually have troops on hot standby 24\7 and haven't for a very long time (Cold war era). But to have to go to Norther Italy, Spain and Croatia for men and equipment (and even then they aren't on standby, on Sept. 11th) is a major screw up by someone.


Well, if we are going to schlep troops back and forth randomly based on days that may or may not be symbolic to Islamic militants, then we need to have troops on hot standby on:

January 1st
February 26th
April  18th
June 14th
June 25th
July 4th
August 7th
September 5th
September 11th
October 12th
November 17th
December 25th
The start of Ramadan
The end of Ramadan
Eid Al-Fitr
Eid Al-Adha
The start of Hanukkah
the end of Hannukah
And every other major Jewish holiday
Etc.
2013-05-12 06:35:37 PM
2 votes:
rpmedia.ask.com
2013-05-12 06:30:39 PM
2 votes:
Four special forces guys in God Mode could have totally spawned in and pwnd that mob.
2013-05-12 06:24:05 PM
2 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Silverstaff: Just like how we have Congressmen on various scientific committees with no understanding of basic science, or even outright disbelief of it (like climate change deniers or young Earth creationists).

Or like how Michele Bachmann is on the Intelligence Committee.


api.ning.com
2013-05-12 06:22:52 PM
2 votes:

hubiestubert: Sh*t ain't like that. And that we have folks on the Armed Services Committee without any working knowledge of how our military works, is damn frightening.


You should see the Intelligence Committee.
2013-05-12 06:22:29 PM
2 votes:

Silverstaff: Just like how we have Congressmen on various scientific committees with no understanding of basic science, or even outright disbelief of it (like climate change deniers or young Earth creationists).


Or like how Michele Bachmann is on the Intelligence Committee.
2013-05-12 06:21:01 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk
2013-05-12 06:18:36 PM
2 votes:
Obvious tag gone AWOL like GWB?
2013-05-12 05:49:36 PM
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


upload.wikimedia.org
www.blogcdn.com
media.salon.com
webprobuddy.com
/p.s. Inouye had a goddamn Medal of Honor
2013-05-12 05:08:09 PM
2 votes:
media.tumblr.com
2013-05-13 02:36:54 PM
1 votes:

JustGetItRight: Who said randomly rushing into anything?


JustGetItRight: The unwillingness to consider operations that aren't meticulously planned is simply unacceptable.


So you recommend what? Partial planning? Definitive, directed rushing in instead of random rushing? Becasue it sounds like you're just arguing against yourself at this point
2013-05-13 01:45:39 PM
1 votes:

JustGetItRight: I've been entering burning buildings for 15 years. Several of those years have been in a command position where I sent others. As such, I've got an outstanding idea under what circumstances firefighters will and will not enter a burning building. Now, tell me about your experience in making those decisions.


Under your logic, every cop, EMT, and fire fighter should just randomly rush into a burning building as soon as they get on the scene.  Their job is to protect the public.  They don't protect the public by NOT going inside like a bunch of pussies.

Sounds like your fire unit is a bunch of pussy wimps.
2013-05-13 01:24:11 PM
1 votes:

scut207: Johnny popcorns 6in6 is nothing to brag about, I got 7 in 4

/infantry for four years,left as an e-4. CO said I was too damn wild for the rear.

/1st article 15 was swiss seating girls up to the 3rd floor because they wouldn't allow them in the infantry barracks, second was for modifying my ID to make me 21.
Forgot to switch out my fake for a piss test. Drug&alcohol NCO didn't like me much.

That's all I've got to say about that.


Oh yeah? Well, how many times did you make E-1?

I might have set a record that stands to this day
2013-05-13 01:21:00 PM
1 votes:

scut207: Johnny popcorns 6in6 is nothing to brag about, I got 7 in 4

/infantry for four years,left as an e-4. CO said I was too damn wild for the rear.


Go on.
2013-05-13 12:32:34 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: vygramul: Don't feel too bad. Apparently, the largest tank battle in U.S. history is insignificant in his estimation, but smaller ones in WWII were.

4 tanks damaged, one soldier killed by friendly fire. The horror, the horror.


Tell us, how many were killed in the last major battle of helicopter mechanics?
2013-05-13 12:04:38 PM
1 votes:

RedPhoenix122: I wondered how Acme got a defense contract.


Because we voted for Yosemite Sam in 2000.
2013-05-13 11:40:56 AM
1 votes:

spawn73: EnviroDude: Gates: 911, please send the fire department to my house - I see flames.
911: I´m sorry, they couldn´t possibly get there in time.
Gates: How do you know? Please, please.
911: You have a cartoonish view of fire department capability.

/ripped from RPool

The firedepartment would send a truck even if they think they'll be to late. The consequences of being to late wouldn´t be the death of the men on the firetruck.

The analogy is stupid.

You don't just send in millitary to see what's going to happen.


I was told, by a Farker who coincidentally claimed to have served in the "Air Force" no less, that low-flying, super-sonic, fighter jets out of Italy should have been used to frighten the angry villagers into running for the hills, thus saving the people who had already been killed from getting killed again.

Our military is THAT powerful, you know.
2013-05-13 11:40:27 AM
1 votes:

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Radioactive Ass: Wolf_Blitzer: Where exactly would you have them based? Its not like there are countries beating down our doors to get US troops stationed in their territory. And supposing we did have some sort of rapid-reaction force stationed within an hour of anywhere in the world we have people -because that's what it'd take - those troops would be just as much a target as the Benghazi consulate was. Remember USS Cole? Remember Khobar Towers? Unless you're planning on invading half the countries in the world just so we can station troops there to be the world's policeman, it is simply not feasible to have a base everywhere we might want it.

That's above my pay grade, however I find it very hard to believe that if the US had asked that they wouldn't have had too much of a problem finding at least one place in the ME (maybe Turkey, it's fairly well centered in the region and is a NATO Ally) or even Southern Europe to sit for a day or two. Hell just two days ago the US put some forces on alert over what's going on in Libya right now. It's not like they can't do it, it's that they didn't think ahead and do it last Sept.

Forces stationed in Turkey would've still been a thousand kilometers away, you know.


i232.photobucket.com
U.S. Americans need more maps such as South Africa and Iraq.
2013-05-13 10:47:39 AM
1 votes:

Kibbler: Physicists at MIT report that this thread has given them new insight into the way the universe works.  "We saw goalposts move so fast, that they appeared to exceed the speed of light.  The goalposts actually achieved quantum entanglement, which meant that any two goalposts could occupy any two points in the universe. In fact, we theorize that they occupied every point in the universe simultaneously."  The research resulted in the discovery of a new quantum entity, the derpon.


moviecitynews.com

Magnificent.

/Marked as funny
2013-05-13 10:44:34 AM
1 votes:
Things I've learned:

IRL: Private in the Army.

On the internet: Retired Five Star General.
2013-05-13 10:03:08 AM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: buckler: Tell me, Johnny, when and where did you serve, and in what branch?

US Army 1986 to 1994. Rank: SSG MOS: 67V

Served in Korea, Germany, Texas and Iraq.

Any other questions?


SEMPER FIB!
2013-05-13 10:00:25 AM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Popcorn Johnny: cameroncrazy1984: Oh no, I'm not bragging about any military service.

Can't brag about what you don't have, right?

You seem to.


www.anbaric.com
2013-05-13 08:41:40 AM
1 votes:

t3knomanser: My many hours commanding a squad of crack troops has demonstrated that I can deploy six soldiers (or five soldiers and a robot) anywhere in the world within three hours. These soldiers can then fight their way through forces with more advanced equipment and superior numbers, thanks to their enhanced abilities and my strategic leadership. There's no excuse for our government- which is only battling poor terrorists armed with improvised bombs and AK-47s, not Beserkers and Mutons with plasma rifles- to do anything less


If you bothered to group with a bard rather than go the easy route and bot, your group would have all gotten a significant bump to both to hit and damage. Alternately you could have gone with a paladin for the aura buffs and debuff cleansing.

If you're gonna run American military strategy, lrn2group noob.
2013-05-13 08:39:55 AM
1 votes:

Whiskey Pete: gaspode: Was that at da nang? with the waterslide?

Well, we saw Da Nang in the brochure but we didn't really stop there.


It's cool. The campsites are shaped like teepees!
2013-05-13 08:26:34 AM
1 votes:

SunsetLament: The seven CIA personnel (including Doherty and Woods, who lost their lives) that ignored orders and went to the annex anyway, fought for hours, killed approximately 100 attackers and saved the lives of over thirty Americans.


Uh-huh. And they were all 7 feet tall and fired lightning bolts from their eyes and fireballs from their asses.
2013-05-13 07:48:33 AM
1 votes:

Whiskey Pete: Listen people. I personally fought along side of Popcorn Johnny in 'Nam. 131st Fighting Chicken Hawks (Go Hawks, BOOYA!!) and I can vouch for him.There has never been a finer Boatswain in the history of the USAF.


Was that at da nang? with the waterslide?
2013-05-13 07:41:11 AM
1 votes:
Listen people. I personally fought along side of Popcorn Johnny in 'Nam. 131st Fighting Chicken Hawks (Go Hawks, BOOYA!!) and I can vouch for him.There has never been a finer Boatswain in the history of the USAF.
2013-05-13 07:40:06 AM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: spcMike: That's precious. Is your GT score higher than 135?

Under the new standard, it maxes out at 160 so not sure why you're so impressed with a 135. When I was in, the max was 130 and I scored a 124.

Boom!


After seeing your responses here in various posts, I'm actually impressed that you managed an 80, so yes, a 135 or more for you would be quite remarkable.
2013-05-13 06:14:13 AM
1 votes:

StinkyFiddlewinks: Obvious tag gone AWOL like GWB?


I have it on good word from a Teabagger that GWB never went AWOL. He was recruited as an American James Bond to infiltrate the Soviet Union and help set in motion its fall. Dude speaks over 30 languages and has an IQ over 250. He only acts like a complete moran to throw everyone off the trail. Like I said, source is a Teabagger.
2013-05-13 04:46:34 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: powhound: Gyrfalcon: One thing I do love about these threads is they let me update my "Farkers who actually served in the military" list vs. "poseurs who got their lingo from 2 years in the National Guard and a lot of video games."

For you guys who did serve and were in combat--thanks again.

Not sure if you meant it as such, but that is kind of a slap in the face to the vast majority of those in the military.

I didn't mean it as such, except as a slap in the face to someone around here who was touting his valorous service in an airbase in the wilds of West Germany as if it was tantamount to having CARs all over his wall.


You have to remember that there is a large majority in the military who were not the sharpest tool in the shed to begin with, transcending all branches and specialties. So, these idiots, like Johnny and Radioactive Ass....while I don't consider them worthy of listening to...I try not to discredit their service (if in fact they actually served).

On my sub...you know the jokes they play....one idiot sailor had been sent on a task to find some fallopian tubing. Everyone he asked said they didn't know where it was kept. I told him to talk to the doc. Never found out if it helped him any.
2013-05-13 04:37:27 AM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Did the Bush administration blatantly lie about what took place during those attacks?


Well damn, PJ, don't you ask the tough questions!
2013-05-13 02:46:14 AM
1 votes:
Zeppelininthesky:

Just throwing people into a battle without planning gets people killed. If 4 more people gets killed because they were just thrown into a full scale attack, you would be screaming and crying that Obama got 4 people dead for nothing.

No, that's what liberals do.  Conservatives expect their military's civilian leadership to use everything at their disposal to make sure nobody (military or civilian) gets left behind when they are attacked by a bunch of savages.  The seven CIA personnel (including Doherty and Woods, who lost their lives) that ignored orders and went to the annex anyway, fought for hours, killed approximately 100 attackers and saved the lives of over thirty Americans.  Don't pretend adding four more Green Berets would only have them running in to get slaughtered.  At the time they were told to stand down, nobody knew how long the fighting would have continued, or how many Americans would have been killed, wounded or captured at the annex.  And that's just the available forces in country; we had a whole team in Italy that were denied permission to cross the Libyan border.
2013-05-13 02:05:51 AM
1 votes:

SunsetLament: Listen, I don't give a fark what Gates said ... if an American Ambassador in a war zone says "We are under attack" you don't fark around and say "Oh, well, we don't have a plan in place so we can't help." - you farking send whatever you have available and improvise and do your best.  Gates' comments are embarrassing.  Anybody who believes what Gates said is too farking incompetent to be in a leadership position in our military (or federal law enforcement); end of story.  You don't leave people on the battlefield (where it may be) because you haven't farking gameplanned out all the scenarios.  And while we're at it; this was an consulate in the middle of one of the most dangerous places in the world ... why wasn't there a farking "Holy shiat we're under attack, we need to save a mass of people who have been driven out of the buildings IMMEDIATELY" plan?

Embarrassing.


Plans are one thing. Paying for adequate security is quite another. Hasn't the State Dept been asking for money for years now? Who's in charge of alloting money again? The blah guy or the orange guy? I forget..
2013-05-13 01:26:15 AM
1 votes:
I've been out of the thread for a while...has Johnny gotten around to telling us about his ginormous cock yet?
2013-05-13 12:48:48 AM
1 votes:
Is Benghazi a scandal yet?
2013-05-13 12:46:03 AM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: 19 Kilo: My former units did lots of things and lost lots of people too.

Yeah, but in your arrogance, you were implying that aviation was somehow incapable of being dangerous.


No, you, in your arrogance were downplaying a combat mission with a high ratio of kills as "not a major tank battle".  Gulf War I was incredibly important in showing that the US had armor and the tactics developed around it that were wildly successful.  You, being a dildo, intimated that training was more dangerous.  You were doing this, I suspect, because your (thank you for your service) military career as a pogue and faux-tactical expert on Fark has been  roundly shat upon by many people, from many MOSs in many posts.

And I do concede your point that aviation is dangerous.  That's what happens when you fight physics.  I would counter that you, as a ground based wrench monkey, were not exposed to the same level as say, pilots or 11B soldiers engaged in air assault training.  You know why?  Because you were a ground based wrench monkey.

Meh.  Enough with you.  Makin' my agent orange flare up.  Again, stop trying to act hard REMF.  You're just making yourself look silly.
2013-05-13 12:32:42 AM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: 19 Kilo: You are, apparently, incapable of distinguishing training accidents from actual combat.

You cited some "major tank battle" and I responded by pointing out the details of the attack. It wasn't a major battle, it was shooting fish in a barrel. By the way, my former unit lost two Blackhawks full of soldiers when they were mistakenly shot down by F-15's. 26 dead.


And now you're marked as this:

(favorite: Chairborne Ranger Extraordinaire.)

My former units did lots of things and lost lots of people too.  Heck, the company I work for now is a multi-billion dollar company!  Clearly I should go your route and claim those billions are mine, because I was in some way associated with it.  Stop trying to be hard pogue.
2013-05-13 12:27:54 AM
1 votes:

SunsetLament: Sure, Hicks testified that he asked Gibson why he wasn't on the plane to Tripoli and Gibson responded that two separate times he told someone higher than him in the chain of command that he and three other members of his team were leaving to go to Benghazi and both times the response was that the four men were not to get on the airplane. Then Gibson told Hicks that this was (paraphrase - if you want the exact quote, Google is your friend) "the first time in his career that someone in the State Department (Hicks) had more balls than the military (whoever gave him the stand-down order)."

Now ... who gave him the order? Let's get Gibson in front of Congress and find out. I'm sure everyone wants to know.


And this one time, Jackie Chan told me that I was better at kung-fu then any white man alive.  And then this random huge black guy complemented me on the size of my penis.
2013-05-13 12:24:16 AM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: 19 Kilo: I've seen a new driver get his head torn off when he stuck it out of the driver's hole while a turret was traversing.  I've seen what was left of a 19D who was on the wrong side of a Brad round because the guy he was linking ammo with decided to use a hammer to seat it.

I saw a new Cobra pilot die after walking into his own tail rotor. He was excited after a good day of qualifying at the range. Also saw two pilots die after hitting wires while flying at night.

Is there a point you're trying to make here?


Yep.  You are, apparently, incapable of distinguishing training accidents from actual combat.  But, you're a keyboard commando and shall henceforth be relegated to the Blue 1 farky reserved for trolls.  Good on ya!  I hope your imagined faux-military expertise keeps you warm at night.  I'm also glad bigger men than you put themselves in harms way, and better men than you have supported them.  Kisses.
2013-05-13 12:03:38 AM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Gyrfalcon: OK, so where, exactly--and without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight--should we have been "a bit more prepared"? Everywhere? And how much more is "a bit"? Should there have been 10 more Marines? 20? Fifty? In other words, based on what was known on September 10th--after ten years of nothing much happening, and no real reason to be alarmed--what would have been better to have done?  Bearing in mind that they knew LESS about an impending attack than was known on 9/11/2001.

This isn't really about what could have or should have been done, it's how the Obama administration handled the aftermath.


Oh, is that the new debate? Shiat, I can't keep up, last night it was about whether or not the Special Forces Delta SEALs SAS Marines could have flown in via CF-18 Attack helicopter and parajumped into the consulate basement in time to rescue the dead Ambassador.

Will you guys pick ONE scandal topic and stick to it so we can at least semi-rationally discuss it for three hours at a stretch?
2013-05-13 12:03:01 AM
1 votes:

19 Kilo: That fine crunchy (hah!) upthread pointed out a couple more recent ones.  For someone who's pretending to have served, you'd think you'd be a little more up on combat actions.


I'd break track with you any day, bro.*

/*As long as I don't have to put it back together or pull those big, nasty plates out of the way.
2013-05-12 11:57:26 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: 19 Kilo: Man, for someone without the beans to serve in a front line unit, you sure do know how to dig and keep digging.

When was the last significant tank battle, WWII?


73 Easting?  Medina Ridge?  Ring any bells?    That fine crunchy (hah!) upthread pointed out a couple more recent ones.  For someone who's pretending to have served, you'd think you'd be a little more up on combat actions.

So, can you school me on the last significant rotary wing mechanic battle?  Crossed Wrenches Pass?  Last Slice of Pie at the Chowhall?  Holy Hell I Can't Find My Wallet Ridge?  The Genocide of the 5988-E?
2013-05-12 11:51:13 PM
1 votes:

HK-MP5-SD: demaL-demaL-yeH:
And what, exactly, do you think those four guys could have done against an unknown number of assailants with heavy weapons in a crowded city, even assuming they got there in time to do anything? And who would have taken on the mission they had already been assigned?

They could have started the four hour flight from Tripoli to Benghazi so in case the Ambassador who was missing called the embassy on the phone and said "I'm hiding in an abandoned building in Benghazi, send help!"
he wouldn't have to wait 5 hours for someone to come and get him.  Even if he did not call in, the military had 4 hours to gather intelligence before they arrived.  If they couldn't do anything when they got to Benghazi which in retrospect would have been the case, nothing would have been lost, However if he had survived the presence of  well trained special forces troops would have been huge.

As for the special forces troops previous mission, it would have had to wait.  When the Titannic hit the Iceburg, the crew stopped rearranging the deck chairs.


So you really are as stupid as i thought you were. Woulda? Coulda? Shoulda?
See my double facepalm? Imitate it. Hold that position and stick your head back up your fourth point of contact.
2013-05-12 11:49:10 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Gyrfalcon: OK, so where, exactly--and without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight--should we have been "a bit more prepared"? Everywhere? And how much more is "a bit"? Should there have been 10 more Marines? 20? Fifty? In other words, based on what was known on September 10th--after ten years of nothing much happening, and no real reason to be alarmed--what would have been better to have done?  Bearing in mind that they knew LESS about an impending attack than was known on 9/11/2001.

This isn't really about what could have or should have been done, it's how the Obama administration handled the aftermath.


No, it's about how many filters you could change in a day.
2013-05-12 11:48:19 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: clkeagle: So you served in a low-density MOS

Yeah, the Army only had 9 helicopters and most of those were used for beer runs.


Just reminding you that your 6-in-6 experience in the 90s wasn't the same as that of an 11-, 12-, or 19-series.

But if it makes you feel better, I do remember some 71Ms making rank that quickly.
2013-05-12 11:40:40 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: cameroncrazy1984: Oh wow really? And you got to change air filters! I bet that's the DLC for Call of Duty, right? So dangerous...

Tell us about your service, Major Pain.


Oh no, I'm not bragging about any military service. You're the one bragging about being an oil changer. Why don't you tell us how dangerous it was having to not trip over the tool box on the way to get a new filter?
2013-05-12 11:36:04 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: cameroncrazy1984: Clearly the front lines. I bet those hausfraus were intimidating!

Well it was a combat aviation brigade, we had those cool *pew* *pew* type whirly birds and everything.


Oh wow really? And you got to change air filters! I bet that's the DLC for Call of Duty, right? So dangerous...
2013-05-12 11:35:50 PM
1 votes:

19 Kilo: demaL-demaL-yeH: 19 Kilo: Well, in SSG Popcorn's defense, FRH (hydraulic fluid) is pretty nasty stuff.

Tell me about it.
Least fun job ever: Pumping that cherry juice out of the well by hand after the gun decided to spring a leak. You pretty much have to sit in the damned well to do it.

/Are we good, or do you need to throw a "crunchy" or two at me?

We're down like two flat tires.  No worries, yo.

Popcorn Johnny: clkeagle: So you served in a low-density MOS

Yeah, the Army only had 9 helicopters and most of those were used for beer runs.

Man, for someone without the beans to serve in a front line unit, you sure do know how to dig and keep digging.


His chosen tool:

upload.wikimedia.org
2013-05-12 11:35:48 PM
1 votes:
clkeagle:

[www.tacomlcmccommunityreport.com image 580x387]

You can never find a parking space at that mall.
2013-05-12 11:31:09 PM
1 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: This is my favorite thread in a long while, even though I have no idea what any of these acronyms mean.


Me and all. Enjoying the GI Joe jokes though. I get those.

cameroncrazy1984: Popcorn Johnny: cameroncrazy1984: Dude, a smart person should know when he should stop posting.

Get out of here son, the veterans are taking shots at each other. Perhaps a nice game of Call of Duty would be more up your alley.


I didn't know they made a Call of Duty: Helicopter Mechanic. I gotta pick that up! Is it scary?

LOL. Okay I'm just gonna kick back and enjoy the show now.

[colbertpopcorn.gif]
2013-05-12 11:24:17 PM
1 votes:

Clutch2013: God damn.  I'm glad I don't have ignore turned all the way up, because this shiat is entertaining.


I don't know if Popcorn Johhny realizes that everyone is laughing at him. He probably still thinks he's a badass who would have easily killed a hundred men with his bare hands if only he was given the chance. He's like the Uncle Rico of the army.
2013-05-12 11:21:03 PM
1 votes:
God damn.  I'm glad I don't have ignore turned all the way up, because this shiat is entertaining.
2013-05-12 11:19:56 PM
1 votes:

ksdanj: Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.

fark you, asshole.

My Dad was a Democrat and he volunteered to serve in Vietnam.


yeah but he was probably one of those Swiftboat pilots and we all know what cowards there were ,what with their purple hearts and commendations of valor.

i2.photobucket.com
2013-05-12 11:17:28 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: cameroncrazy1984: Dude, a smart person should know when he should stop posting.

Get out of here son, the veterans are taking shots at each other. Perhaps a nice game of Call of Duty would be more up your alley.


I'm waiting for a Fobbit to show up and start talking shiat on you soon.
2013-05-12 11:15:35 PM
1 votes:

MustangFive: 67V? A friggin' helicopter mechanic??? Really out there on the sharp end, huh?

Well, I know who to turn to when I need advice on ground combat-related matters.

/11C & 11B, 22 years (so far), SFC, CIB, EIB.
//Let's not get into an ASVAB score dick measuring contest. A 105 Mechanical Maintenance sub-score ain't exactly indicative of a rocket surgeon, ITG.
///Next up, JohnnyPopcorn talks about how he's "been there and done that"
////Did what exactly? Checked that bolts were tightened to proper torque specs? What a badass!


Hey, somebody had to be there in the days when what the Apache did best was fall over on its side.
2013-05-12 11:10:32 PM
1 votes:

19 Kilo: Well, in SSG Popcorn's defense, FRH (hydraulic fluid) is pretty nasty stuff.


Tell me about it.
Least fun job ever: Pumping that cherry juice out of the well by hand after the gun decided to spring a leak. You pretty much have to sit in the damned well to do it.

/Are we good, or do you need to throw a "crunchy" or two at me?
2013-05-12 11:08:14 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: MustangFive: 11C & 11B, 22 years (so far), SFC, CIB, EIB.

22 years and a SFC? Your career seems to have stalled a bit, wouldn't you say? I was throwing a packet together for the SFC board when I decided to get out after 8 years.

So which of your infantry badges are you more proud of, the one given to all grunts who put boots on the ground in a combat zone or the one that requires you to do some half assed course that required such challenging tasks as applying a field dressing and throwing a hand grenade?


I think there maybe even more epoch pwnage yet still to come.
2013-05-12 11:01:28 PM
1 votes:

hubiestubert: Lionel Mandrake: Popcorn Johnny: This thread reminds me of my time in the Army, jealous grunts angry over not being able to qualify for an aviation MOS. I'll leave you guys to your growing circle jerk, much like when I was serving, we tried to keep away from the unwashed masses in combat arms.

Sir Johnny bravely ran away!

Too bad that those "jealous grunts" would have been the guys who actually carried out any rescue attempts, while the mechanics got to cheer on from the safety of the shed. I think he should keep digging. He hasn't quite hit bedrock yet, and I think that if he just pushes deeper, he can win us over with his vast reservoir of experience and daring do of battling vicious hydrolics and the vast number of hexnuts that he's personally loosened...


Well, in SSG Popcorn's defense, FRH (hydraulic fluid) is pretty nasty stuff.

Oh, and to your earlier point, the Army used to exist in boxes like a video game...  3ID, 1AD, 11ACR and lots of others would sit, ready for the fight to start. Or course, that was during the cold war, and the mission of a lot of those soldiers was to die in place to give everyone else a chance to get to the party.

But, you know, keeping multiple heavy divisions around, silver bullets in ready racks, machine guns mounted and nothing more than back plates and buffer springs in the armory...  Totally like today.  We should have at least a battalion deployed around EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN American presence in the world.  That KFC in Hong Kong?  At least an infantry company in the bathroom.
2013-05-12 10:41:52 PM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Popcorn Johnny: This thread reminds me of my time in the Army, jealous grunts angry over not being able to qualify for an aviation MOS. I'll leave you guys to your growing circle jerk, much like when I was serving, we tried to keep away from the unwashed masses in combat arms.

Sir Johnny bravely ran away!


Too bad that those "jealous grunts" would have been the guys who actually carried out any rescue attempts, while the mechanics got to cheer on from the safety of the shed. I think he should keep digging. He hasn't quite hit bedrock yet, and I think that if he just pushes deeper, he can win us over with his vast reservoir of experience and daring do of battling vicious hydrolics and the vast number of hexnuts that he's personally loosened...
2013-05-12 10:28:41 PM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Popcorn Johnny: This thread reminds me of my time in the Army, jealous grunts angry over not being able to qualify for an aviation MOS. I'll leave you guys to your growing circle jerk, much like when I was serving, we tried to keep away from the unwashed masses in combat arms.

Sir Johnny bravely ran away!


When danger reared its ugly head he bravely turned his tail and fled.

Yes, Sir Johnny turned about and gallantly he chickened out.

Bravely taking to his feet he beat a very brave retreat.
2013-05-12 10:27:27 PM
1 votes:
Republicans have a cartoonish impression of everything. Nothing in their worldview is based on reality.
2013-05-12 10:17:17 PM
1 votes:

stoli n coke: 19 Kilo: Popcorn Johnny: buckler: Tell me, Johnny, when and where did you serve, and in what branch?

US Army 1986 to 1994. Rank: SSG MOS: 67V

Served in Korea, Germany, Texas and Iraq.

Any other questions?

So, you were a pogue-ass pouge who served during the coldest point in the cold war?  Man, I hope when I need a rotary wing mechanic to explain force on force conflict to me, you're around.

He kind of reminds me of back when Pat Robertson was running for President and started bragging about his service in Korea. Then, some of his servicemates pointed out that his main job was making sure the bars at the Base Camp Officers Club stayed stocked. One retired officer said "The closest Pat Robertson ever came to action was at a Tokyo whorehouse."


I hate to defend Pat Robertson but keeping the bar stocked is a very important job.
2013-05-12 10:08:08 PM
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HK-MP5-SD: MisterRonbo: Gyrfalcon: In the same way, sure, four of our Special Forces guys were willing to go to Benghazi, and there was a C-130 that could have taken them, and it's a 4-hour flight from Tripoli-

And what seldom gets mentioned is that the four Special Forces guys in Tripoli weren't equipped for combat. They were on a fact-finding mission, and armed only with 9mm sidearms.  No rifles, no body armor, no grenades, no comm equipment. Dropping off four officers armed with pistols to fight their way through a crowd armed with AKs - gee, what could possibly go wrong?

There was a Marine detachment at the embassy equipped with M-4 assault rifles, shotguns, M203 grenade launchers, hand grenades, body armor, and  possibly a SAW or two.  I think that if the President or someone in their chain of command in the pentagon had ordered the marines, they might have loaned the special forces troops some hardware, don't you?


So you think that when a consulate is attacked the proper response would be disarm the embassy?
2013-05-12 10:02:09 PM
1 votes:

zappaisfrank: [fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net image 500x376]


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Some soups are fuuuunnyyyyy...
2013-05-12 09:59:02 PM
1 votes:

max_pooper: Wow, Popcorn Johnny's Internet Tough Guy credentials are getting shot down pretty fast.


www.empowernetwork.com
2013-05-12 09:52:16 PM
1 votes:

demaL-demaL-yeH: Popcorn Johnny: buckler: Tell me, Johnny, when and where did you serve, and in what branch?

US Army 1986 to 1994. Rank: SSG MOS: 67V
Served in Korea, Germany, Texas and Iraq.
Any other questions?

Yes: Seeing as you've been a helicopter mechanic, why don't you have any clue about the unrefueled range of the machines and whether pilots would be in any shape to run a mission in a hostile environment without ground spotters, SAM suppression, or andy logistics on the ground there? Did you farking sleep through BNCOC?


Tread carefully, you're daring to doubt the military strategery of a REMF.
2013-05-12 09:26:48 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: brainiac-dumdum: Looks like Gates hit a nerve, Fark Benghazimongers are in a tizzy.

Sunset's response was hysterical.


I LOL'd as well.

What will the wacky wingnuts do next? Make Gate's smackdown here a part of the faux scandal/conspiracy?

I think it would be worth it just to see one of the local trolls use the term "Gates-gate" in earnest.

/Of course, I'm a fairly silly person. YMMV.
2013-05-12 09:19:27 PM
1 votes:
All the Republicans are asking is why we couldn't have sent in these guys:
th00.deviantart.net

Or even just one of them with the U.S. Olympic Gymnastic Team would have sufficed:
www.mentalfloss.com

Didn't you "Dumbocrats" watch the Saturday morning military documentaries?
2013-05-12 09:05:24 PM
1 votes:

glmorrs1: Mister Peejay: VictoryCabal: I blame Michael Bay.  I know that's my stock answer for a lot of things, but stick with me here.  Remember early in the first Transformers movie -- hold on, don't pretend you didn't see it.  Remember early in the movie when the soldiers are fleeing across the desert and they're attacked by Scorponok?  One of them makes a credit card call and within an minute and a half, an AC-130 begins raining fiery death and saves teh day.

I'm convinced a lot of Benghazi derpers honestly believe the military works this way.  I remember early in the Benghazi story, there was an actual Freeper conspiracy theory about an AC-130 circling overhead which Obama personally told to stand down so as not to offend Muslims, or something.

Anyway, they seem to think this is how shiat actually works.  Which is why I blame Michael Bay.

If our schools taught science and logical thinking more gooder, then people would walk out of Michael Bay movies because they are full of plot holes and blatant physics violations.

Yes, yes, movie.  But there's suspension of disbelief, and then there is hanging it by the neck until dead and then hitting it with sticks until the candy comes out, and nobody questions why a fresh corpse is full of candy.  Then the candy explodes, for no adequately explored reason.


Let's just pretend I posted a gif of Eddie Izzard eating popcorn in that reply.
2013-05-12 08:48:21 PM
1 votes:

PerilousApricot: Tymast: fusillade762: Radioactive Ass: Is a problem. Let's just say it. It's September 11th, in the Middle East, with known turmoil going on, Why the hell wouldn't you have some forces in the area on standby in case something does happen and they are needed? The guys in the consulate wouldn't know that you didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable (or "Cartoonish") idea to assume that you had someone in charge who could think ahead enough to be prepared just in case.

Budget cuts. And ask yourself who was responsible for those.

The democrats, if they had won enough seats the GOP would not have had the power to cut the budget.

+1


unfortunately the "libs" don't have a social conditioning pogrom operating with the help of corporate media coordinating with the churches in the country to keep the faithful and nationalistic infromed.
2013-05-12 08:26:18 PM
1 votes:

MisterRonbo: Gyrfalcon: In the same way, sure, four of our Special Forces guys were willing to go to Benghazi, and there was a C-130 that could have taken them, and it's a 4-hour flight from Tripoli-

And what seldom gets mentioned is that the four Special Forces guys in Tripoli weren't equipped for combat. They were on a fact-finding mission, and armed only with 9mm sidearms.  No rifles, no body armor, no grenades, no comm equipment. Dropping off four officers armed with pistols to fight their way through a crowd armed with AKs - gee, what could possibly go wrong?


On Strike Back two special forces commandos fought their way through Johannesburg armed with only side arms and whatever they could take off of the people they killed, so why can't 4 real special forces commandos do it?
2013-05-12 08:14:15 PM
1 votes:
Did they mention scrambling F-16's from Aviano to get there in less than an hour while pulling off a 100ft MACH 1.5 flyby?
2013-05-12 08:04:29 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: buckler: Any Democrat willing to actively enter a combat role is, by definition, not a coward. Your original statement fails.

My comment was directed towards the current administration, not people that serve in the military.


Is next week when Obama is a blood thirsty drone tyrant?
2013-05-12 07:52:09 PM
1 votes:
Listen, I don't give a fark what Gates said ... if an American Ambassador in a war zone says "We are under attack" you don't fark around and say "Oh, well, we don't have a plan in place so we can't help." - you farking send whatever you have available and improvise and do your best.  Gates' comments are embarrassing.  Anybody who believes what Gates said is too farking incompetent to be in a leadership position in our military (or federal law enforcement); end of story.  You don't leave people on the battlefield (where it may be) because you haven't farking gameplanned out all the scenarios.  And while we're at it; this was an consulate in the middle of one of the most dangerous places in the world ... why wasn't there a farking "Holy shiat we're under attack, we need to save a mass of people who have been driven out of the buildings IMMEDIATELY" plan?

Embarrassing.
2013-05-12 07:50:04 PM
1 votes:

Dwight_Yeast: clkeagle: The Abrams, great system that it is, has been all but useless in the more mountainous regions of Afghanistan. It would be no different in the Balkans, Alps, Himalayas, or Taebaeks. Nor is it useful in any kind of swampy marshland. And in urban settings - which are definitely the conflicts of the future - a platoon of tanks is nothing but collateral damage that can be used as enemy propaganda.

I don't know if I'd want to find an Abrams in the Alps.


Do you see what happens when you find an Abrams in the Alps, Larry?
2013-05-12 07:49:52 PM
1 votes:

Dwight_Yeast: I don't know if I'd want to find an Abrams in the Alps.


You definitely don't want to find a stranger in the Alps.
2013-05-12 07:47:48 PM
1 votes:
I blame Michael Bay.  I know that's my stock answer for a lot of things, but stick with me here.  Remember early in the first Transformers movie -- hold on, don't pretend you didn't see it.  Remember early in the movie when the soldiers are fleeing across the desert and they're attacked by Scorponok?  One of them makes a credit card call and within an minute and a half, an AC-130 begins raining fiery death and saves teh day.

I'm convinced a lot of Benghazi derpers honestly believe the military works this way.  I remember early in the Benghazi story, there was an actual Freeper conspiracy theory about an AC-130 circling overhead which Obama personally told to stand down so as not to offend Muslims, or something.

Anyway, they seem to think this is how shiat actually works.  Which is why I blame Michael Bay.
2013-05-12 07:43:41 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


Given that conservatives never back any of their statements with facts, you are in the clear.
2013-05-12 07:42:02 PM
1 votes:

glmorrs1: Halli: Radioactive Ass: hubiestubert: Thank you for illustrating exactly the mental deficiency and willful and proud ignorance that our Congresscritters are displaying. It was a brave choice to make yourself the example, and I commend you for your selflessness...

Thanks for that bit of derpiness on your part. I hope that if your area ever holds a WTO conference that your police dept goes "Meh, so what" and does nothing to prepare for it. Lets see how that might work out for you.

WTO is a bit different from a terrorist attack. Might have something to do with a fixed date and a location.


But, but, but... it was 9/11 you guys!  We should have known terrorists were going to attack the consulate in Libya on that day... because it was 9/11!  How do you not get that?
/amidoinitright


9/11 changed everything including making sure the US military is available any place on the globe instantaneously.  Study it out.
2013-05-12 07:26:52 PM
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: hubiestubert: Thank you for illustrating exactly the mental deficiency and willful and proud ignorance that our Congresscritters are displaying. It was a brave choice to make yourself the example, and I commend you for your selflessness...

Thanks for that bit of derpiness on your part. I hope that if your area ever holds a WTO conference that your police dept goes "Meh, so what" and does nothing to prepare for it. Lets see how that might work out for you.


I'm impressed by the conflation, and deflection at this point.

Please. Do go on. Were ALL embassies across the globe supposed to go on high alert, with air assets ready to buzz the tower? Was it just the ones where there might be some brown people, or the ones with a LOT of brown people near? What about those where there were dirty Commies? What about areas where ethnic cleansing had occurred? Was it just the ones where there were Muslim populations?  Please, break down who was supposed to be on high alert, with Special Forces teams ready to extract, and which bases should have been covering who, and how the Embassies were supposed to coordinate with the military, and visa versa, especially in the face of cuts to their security staff, and likewise, please show your work on how the Department of State supersedes the command structure of the Defense Department's personnel.
2013-05-12 07:25:06 PM
1 votes:

vygramul: Not to put too fine a point on it, but liberals often have a cartoonish impression of US military capability as well. In fact, the military is either an unbeatable juggernaut of instant death anywhere and anytime, or a bungling, incapable buffoonery at others, depending on the political circumstances under discussion.


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2013-05-12 07:17:46 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Karac: Hicks asked for planes stationed in Italy to do a flyby and somehow scare the Libyans off like Native Americans scared by loud iron horses.

I still can't believe a diplomat would think something that stupid would be a good idea.


Maverick made the guy drop his coffee when he buzzed the tower in Top Gun, so maybe the attackers would have dropped their mortars.
2013-05-12 07:16:47 PM
1 votes:

draa: Considering most Republicans have never served a day in our military this is no surprise. Fantasize is what chickenhawks do best.


Sadly, their one "war hero" has been playing along, to a certain extent.

abcnews.go.com
2013-05-12 07:11:50 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Karac: Hicks asked for planes stationed in Italy to do a flyby and somehow scare the Libyans off like Native Americans scared by loud iron horses.

I still can't believe a diplomat would think something that stupid would be a good idea.


What about a diplomat that never got a promotion?
2013-05-12 07:09:06 PM
1 votes:

Kibbler: When Obama *does* take a calculated risk and carry out a successful surgical strike (killing bin Laden), he's taking credit not due him, and using it for political gain.

When he doesn't take an insane risk, he's deliberately throwing away American lives for political gain.


Yep.
2013-05-12 06:56:35 PM
1 votes:
They should have just dispatched Solid Snake. He totally would have kicked the Bengayzee's asses. Sam Fisher, Commander Shepard or Kirby would also have been acceptable choices.
2013-05-12 06:56:03 PM
1 votes:
Homer: Lisa, being President is easy! You just point the Army and shoot!
2013-05-12 06:56:03 PM
1 votes:

SamWaters: Did Obama find the Benghazi Killers yet?  He promised to find and arrest them. How hard can it be?  He has pictures and everything.

[global.fncstatic.com image 660x371]


Somebody alert reddit.  They did a bangup job last time.
2013-05-12 06:17:03 PM
1 votes:

EnviroDude: Gates: 911, please send the fire department to my house - I see flames.
911: I´m sorry, they couldn´t possibly get there in time.
Gates: How do you know? Please, please.
911: You have a cartoonish view of fire department capability.

/ripped from RPool


Do you also compare the US economy to a family budget?

Of course you do.
2013-05-12 06:15:33 PM
1 votes:
25.media.tumblr.com
2013-05-12 06:12:39 PM
1 votes:

EnviroDude: Gates: 911, please send the fire department to my house - I see flames.
911: I´m sorry, they couldn´t possibly get there in time.
Gates: How do you know? Please, please.
911: You have a cartoonish view of fire department capability.

/ripped from RPool


That's stupid and doesn't make sense. The person that came up with should feel bad and you should feel worse for cribbing it. Then again you're a troll so what's it matter?
2013-05-12 06:09:50 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


I'll pass that along to George McGovern's ghost.
2013-05-12 05:24:35 PM
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So when is the GOP going to show the military how to teleport?
2013-05-12 05:06:38 PM
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These are people who think 24 is a documentary. Shocker.
2013-05-12 03:53:46 PM
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