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2013-05-13 10:15:31 AM  

Animatronik: Its definitely better to send forces when the ambasador asks for security,
but mostly this just demonstrates an inability to understand the significance of what happened.  A U.S. ambassadors life was at stake and there was no response of any kind for many hours.  Why did we send those guys I'm there if they could not be protected????

Incompetence in the State Department.

Hilary has always been an incompetent.  She finally inserted herself into a job where pols lives depended on her competence.


Yes, she was so incompetent, that none of her womanly whining and moaning even came close to allowing the GOP dominated House from radically cutting the budget to protect consulate staff. Why is Hillary so useless? If she can't even get the most partisan congress, who hate everything about her and sole purpose now seems to be stopping her running in 2016 from changing their mind and allotting the proper amount of money to protect the ambassadors and their staff, she needs firing in disgrace, shot, and replaced with the next person who will be totally blocked on all funding requests too.
 
2013-05-13 10:16:57 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: This thread reminds me of my time in the Army, jealous grunts angry over not being able to qualify for an aviation MOS. I'll leave you guys to your growing circle jerk, much like when I was serving, we tried to keep away from the unwashed masses in combat arms.


You know, I spent most of my time in Saigon in the '60s piloting a typewriter (in the days before every ten-year-old was expert with a keyboard). Even though I'm an army brat, the son of an army brat, I didn't want to be in VN, thought the whole damn war was politically stupid and a waste of lives, and couldn't wait to get home and back to being a civilian.

And yet, I never sat around in the barracks making fun of infantrymen in the field.

Oh, yeah: My father and grandfather, both career officers with combat experience running from the Mexican Expedition in 1916 through early Vietnam, were lifelong Democrats.
 
2013-05-13 10:24:38 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Have a few right wingnuts/derpers/TRUE CONSERVATIVES in my office.  Morning after the Bin Laden announcement they spent 45 minutes biatching about Obama and how arrogant he was and how he kept saying "me" and "I" and etc etc and how it's completely immoral for him to take any credit for it because it was all the military.
Eventually I decided to ask them:
"If all 36 (?) sailors and two airmen on that mission had died, would you have blamed Obama for those deaths?"

They didn't mention anything about Bin Laden dying after that.  Ever.


In front of you, anyway.
 
2013-05-13 10:29:57 AM  

X-boxershorts: readymix: Now I work as a biomedical field engineer. I spend all day in the car alone, and when I am at a hospital to work, I can't haze the crap out of the employees there or talk shiat like we did on the SPPs during midwatch underway. Never thought I'd say it when I left, but I definitely miss it.

I've now spent my entire adult life in IT or High Tech... joining the Navy was the smartest thing I think I've ever done. I was a field engineer building and servicing X-Ray rooms myself for a few years....that was different. Enjoying life now as a lead Engineer on a new research and education network....

Combat billet or not, if you served honorably, THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE!


Same to you, fella!  And I totally agree.  The Navy got my shiat together, then taught me a marketable skill set.  My only payment to them for that education was time served.  I work on Ultrasound equipment and have some rudimentary X-Ray basics from my company from a time when they thought they were going to cross train me and have me work two modalities.  Though, I wouldn't mind getting into something else at this point, the travel is killing me.
 
Bf+
2013-05-13 10:35:15 AM  
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-05-13 10:37:06 AM  

Apos: Gergesa: Hobodeluxe: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 580x270]

GI Joe is full of pussies.  Now Chuck Norris knows where its at:

[www.the-other-view.com image 500x375]

Feh.....Rank amateurs compared:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]

/Fark yeah!


So much brilliance in Team America; just noticed the pink camo for the ladeez
 
2013-05-13 10:38:03 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: 19 Kilo: Man, for someone without the beans to serve in a front line unit, you sure do know how to dig and keep digging.

When was the last significant tank battle, WWII?


Are you frikkin' retarded?
You are definitely a rear area puke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_73_Easting
 
2013-05-13 10:39:20 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Popcorn Johnny: 19 Kilo: Man, for someone without the beans to serve in a front line unit, you sure do know how to dig and keep digging.

When was the last significant tank battle, WWII?

Well, there was Najaf and Basra in 2003.
There was also these tiny little dust-ups in the middle of bumfark nowhere like Medina Ridge and 73 Easting in '91.


Damnit so much.
 
2013-05-13 10:44:34 AM  
Things I've learned:

IRL: Private in the Army.

On the internet: Retired Five Star General.
 
2013-05-13 10:44:58 AM  

Kibbler: Physicists at MIT report that this thread has given them new insight into the way the universe works.  "We saw goalposts move so fast, that they appeared to exceed the speed of light.  The goalposts actually achieved quantum entanglement, which meant that any two goalposts could occupy any two points in the universe. In fact, we theorize that they occupied every point in the universe simultaneously."  The research resulted in the discovery of a new quantum entity, the derpon.


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*wheeeeeeze*

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

*dies*

That, sir or madam, was grand.
 
2013-05-13 10:46:03 AM  

Maud Dib: Popcorn Johnny: 19 Kilo: Man, for someone without the beans to serve in a front line unit, you sure do know how to dig and keep digging.

When was the last significant tank battle, WWII?

Are you frikkin' retarded?
You are definitely a rear area puke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_73_Easting


Wow.  Popcorn Johnny's faker than fake.

Maud Dib: demaL-demaL-yeH: Popcorn Johnny: 19 Kilo: Man, for someone without the beans to serve in a front line unit, you sure do know how to dig and keep digging.

When was the last significant tank battle, WWII?

Well, there was Najaf and Basra in 2003.
There was also these tiny little dust-ups in the middle of bumfark nowhere like Medina Ridge and 73 Easting in '91.

Damnit so much.


Hey, at least you were more accurate than Popcorn Johnny; wonder where he disappeared to...
 
2013-05-13 10:47:39 AM  

Kibbler: Physicists at MIT report that this thread has given them new insight into the way the universe works.  "We saw goalposts move so fast, that they appeared to exceed the speed of light.  The goalposts actually achieved quantum entanglement, which meant that any two goalposts could occupy any two points in the universe. In fact, we theorize that they occupied every point in the universe simultaneously."  The research resulted in the discovery of a new quantum entity, the derpon.


moviecitynews.com

Magnificent.

/Marked as funny
 
2013-05-13 10:52:59 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: max_pooper: What is the "it" you are referring to when talking a out what the Obama administration did in the aftermath?

Scrubbing the talking points to remove any mention of it being an organized attack, even though that's exactly what the CIA told them it was. They even went as far as to blame it on an internet video.


Oh. you mean the "internet video" that caused the large riots in Cairo, Tunis, Yemen for several days? That "internet video"?
Do a little research on the reaction to that "video" and you'll look like less of a fool.
 
2013-05-13 10:55:32 AM  
Popcorn: "DAAAAAAAAANGER ZOOOOOOOOOONE"
 
2013-05-13 10:59:51 AM  

powhound: Gyrfalcon: powhound: Gyrfalcon: One thing I do love about these threads is they let me update my "Farkers who actually served in the military" list vs. "poseurs who got their lingo from 2 years in the National Guard and a lot of video games."

For you guys who did serve and were in combat--thanks again.

Not sure if you meant it as such, but that is kind of a slap in the face to the vast majority of those in the military.

I didn't mean it as such, except as a slap in the face to someone around here who was touting his valorous service in an airbase in the wilds of West Germany as if it was tantamount to having CARs all over his wall.

You have to remember that there is a large majority in the military who were not the sharpest tool in the shed to begin with, transcending all branches and specialties. So, these idiots, like Johnny and Radioactive Ass....while I don't consider them worthy of listening to...I try not to discredit their service (if in fact they actually served).

On my sub...you know the jokes they play....one idiot sailor had been sent on a task to find some fallopian tubing. Everyone he asked said they didn't know where it was kept. I told him to talk to the doc. Never found out if it helped him any.


I have a brother in law who sent one of his new engineers into the ship's bilge looking for elbow grease. The second best part is their CO found the guy rummaging through and asked him what the hell he was doing. the new guy said he was looking for elbow grease so the CO said "Oh, it is way in the back there, keep looking." and wandered off. The best part is a couple hours later the CO came by my brother in law and inquired about the newbie. The poor guy had spent three hours looking for elbow grease in the cramped and stuffy bottom of a frigate.

/he has some other good ones too
//'hot wet stripper being laid in the CO's cabin'
 
2013-05-13 11:07:39 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: In front of you, anyway.


Anywhere; they're not the type of quiet their derp just because of someone being around.  And they're not idiots, just highly partisan.  They know Obama did a good thing and that's what they can't stand.  If the facts aren't muddy enough for them to bullshiat about it, the only honorable solution is to ignore it.
 
2013-05-13 11:28:05 AM  

Kibbler: When Obama *does* take a calculated risk and carry out a successful surgical strike (killing bin Laden), he's taking credit not due him, and using it for political gain.

When he doesn't take an insane risk, he's deliberately throwing away American lives for political gain.


Now you finally understand.
 
2013-05-13 11:29:26 AM  

EnviroDude: Gates: 911, please send the fire department to my house - I see flames.
911: I´m sorry, they couldn´t possibly get there in time.
Gates: How do you know? Please, please.
911: You have a cartoonish view of fire department capability.

/ripped from RPool


The firedepartment would send a truck even if they think they'll be to late. The consequences of being to late wouldn´t be the death of the men on the firetruck.

The analogy is stupid.

You don't just send in millitary to see what's going to happen.
 
2013-05-13 11:31:36 AM  

Karac: EnviroDude: Gates: 911, please send the fire department to my house - I see flames.
911: I´m sorry, they couldn´t possibly get there in time.
Gates: How do you know? Please, please.
911: You have a cartoonish view of fire department capability.

/ripped from RPool

Well, if the nearest fire truck was 5 hours away then yeah, I'd agree that is a cartoonish view of the fire department's capabilities.


If it were 5 hours away, down a road potentially lined with anti-Fire Fighter bandits armed with rpgs, and if it wasn't clear if Gates' house fire had started spontaneously, or had been set by those bandits specifically to draw out the fire-fighters.
 
2013-05-13 11:36:52 AM  

Kome: Considering these are many of the same folks who believe that a 2,000-year-old fairy tale is scientific and that The Flintstones is historically accurate, yea... I'm not surprised they don't know sh*t about how the military operates. I mean, I don't either, but I don't pretend to and then get all uppity when they do or do not do something in a way that contradicts my delusional view of the world.


For proof of this, see the FAA sequestration hearings. The congressional stupidity and butthurt on display was magical. Honestly, just once I'd have liked to see the FAA head say "I farking told you this would happen you stupid motherfarkers, let me show you; Roll Tape!"
 
2013-05-13 11:40:27 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Radioactive Ass: Wolf_Blitzer: Where exactly would you have them based? Its not like there are countries beating down our doors to get US troops stationed in their territory. And supposing we did have some sort of rapid-reaction force stationed within an hour of anywhere in the world we have people -because that's what it'd take - those troops would be just as much a target as the Benghazi consulate was. Remember USS Cole? Remember Khobar Towers? Unless you're planning on invading half the countries in the world just so we can station troops there to be the world's policeman, it is simply not feasible to have a base everywhere we might want it.

That's above my pay grade, however I find it very hard to believe that if the US had asked that they wouldn't have had too much of a problem finding at least one place in the ME (maybe Turkey, it's fairly well centered in the region and is a NATO Ally) or even Southern Europe to sit for a day or two. Hell just two days ago the US put some forces on alert over what's going on in Libya right now. It's not like they can't do it, it's that they didn't think ahead and do it last Sept.

Forces stationed in Turkey would've still been a thousand kilometers away, you know.


i232.photobucket.com
U.S. Americans need more maps such as South Africa and Iraq.
 
2013-05-13 11:40:56 AM  

spawn73: EnviroDude: Gates: 911, please send the fire department to my house - I see flames.
911: I´m sorry, they couldn´t possibly get there in time.
Gates: How do you know? Please, please.
911: You have a cartoonish view of fire department capability.

/ripped from RPool

The firedepartment would send a truck even if they think they'll be to late. The consequences of being to late wouldn´t be the death of the men on the firetruck.

The analogy is stupid.

You don't just send in millitary to see what's going to happen.


I was told, by a Farker who coincidentally claimed to have served in the "Air Force" no less, that low-flying, super-sonic, fighter jets out of Italy should have been used to frighten the angry villagers into running for the hills, thus saving the people who had already been killed from getting killed again.

Our military is THAT powerful, you know.
 
2013-05-13 11:45:53 AM  

clkeagle: That would explain the thought behind $2.8 billion dollars allocated for improved Abrams tanks... when we have two thousand mission-capable tanks (and thousands of other tracked vehicles like these 113-series) sitting unused in the Nevada desert:

[www.tacomlcmccommunityreport.com image 580x387]

Somewhere deep in the minds of Republicans is a fantasy. In that fantasy, we are lining up divisions of tanks and storming across the fields, deserts, or woods in a major symmetrical conflict. When in reality, the future will consist of very small skirmishes in who-knows-what terrain.

The Abrams, great system that it is, has been all but useless in the more mountainous regions of Afghanistan. It would be no different in the Balkans, Alps, Himalayas, or Taebaeks. Nor is it useful in any kind of swampy marshland. And in urban settings - which are definitely the conflicts of the future - a platoon of tanks is nothing but collateral damage that can be used as enemy propaganda.


Yup. Unless you're willing to level the city with artillery first, and even then ruined cities are great tank-traps.
 
2013-05-13 11:57:51 AM  

buckler: Bane of Broone: Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.

[sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk image 600x700]

Huh. Back in the eighties, when I voluntarily offered to give my life to my country in the Army if needed, I was a Democrat. Tell me, Johnny, when and where did you serve, and in what branch?


The 101st Mechanized Chickenhawk Basement-And-Cheetos Battalion.  SEMPER PIBB!!
 
2013-05-13 11:58:43 AM  

Vodka Zombie: spawn73: EnviroDude: Gates: 911, please send the fire department to my house - I see flames.
911: I´m sorry, they couldn´t possibly get there in time.
Gates: How do you know? Please, please.
911: You have a cartoonish view of fire department capability.

/ripped from RPool

The firedepartment would send a truck even if they think they'll be to late. The consequences of being to late wouldn´t be the death of the men on the firetruck.

The analogy is stupid.

You don't just send in millitary to see what's going to happen.

I was told, by a Farker who coincidentally claimed to have served in the "Air Force" no less, that low-flying, super-sonic, fighter jets out of Italy should have been used to frighten the angry villagers into running for the hills, thus saving the people who had already been killed from getting killed again.

Our military is THAT powerful, you know.


Note that later on, one of our armchair generals asserted that those same cowards who flee at the sound of a jet withstood 100 dead (and Allah knows how many wounded) at the hands of 7 CIA agents but the horde just kept coming.
 
2013-05-13 11:59:58 AM  

Maud Dib: demaL-demaL-yeH: Popcorn Johnny: 19 Kilo: Man, for someone without the beans to serve in a front line unit, you sure do know how to dig and keep digging.

When was the last significant tank battle, WWII?

Well, there was Najaf and Basra in 2003.
There was also these tiny little dust-ups in the middle of bumfark nowhere like Medina Ridge and 73 Easting in '91.

Damnit so much.


Don't feel too bad. Apparently, the largest tank battle in U.S. history is insignificant in his estimation, but smaller ones in WWII were.
 
2013-05-13 12:02:07 PM  
The conclusion that I have is that Republicans must watch tons of Michael Bay movies for their beliefs in the unrealistic deployment and insertion capabilities of our military.

/But, but Baysplosions!
 
2013-05-13 12:04:38 PM  

RedPhoenix122: I wondered how Acme got a defense contract.


Because we voted for Yosemite Sam in 2000.
 
2013-05-13 12:04:58 PM  

Graffito: Forces stationed in Turkey would've still been a thousand kilometers away, you know.


U.S. Americans need more maps such as South Africa and Iraq.


She is my favorite US American
 
2013-05-13 12:23:35 PM  

vygramul: Don't feel too bad. Apparently, the largest tank battle in U.S. history is insignificant in his estimation, but smaller ones in WWII were.


4 tanks damaged, one soldier killed by friendly fire. The horror, the horror.
 
2013-05-13 12:32:34 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: vygramul: Don't feel too bad. Apparently, the largest tank battle in U.S. history is insignificant in his estimation, but smaller ones in WWII were.

4 tanks damaged, one soldier killed by friendly fire. The horror, the horror.


Tell us, how many were killed in the last major battle of helicopter mechanics?
 
2013-05-13 12:37:20 PM  
FlyNavy: Popcorn Johnny: This thread reminds me of my time in the Army, jealous grunts angry over not being able to qualify for an aviation MOS. I'll leave you guys to your growing circle jerk, much like when I was serving, we tried to keep away from the unwashed masses in combat arms.

Someone's a sore loser.
 
2013-05-13 12:40:37 PM  
Benghazi upgraded to "sideshow" by Obama

www.residentadvisor.net
 
2013-05-13 12:41:41 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: vygramul: Don't feel too bad. Apparently, the largest tank battle in U.S. history is insignificant in his estimation, but smaller ones in WWII were.

4 tanks damaged, one soldier killed by friendly fire. The horror, the horror.


strawman is noted and laughed at.
 
2013-05-13 12:42:40 PM  

SamWaters: Benghazi upgraded to "sideshow" by Obama

[www.residentadvisor.net image 312x312]


He was being too kind.  "F*cking Farce" is more like it.
 
2013-05-13 12:44:20 PM  
"Well, given the number of surface to air missiles that have disappeared from Gaddafi's arsenals, I would not have approved sending an aircraft, a single aircraft, over Benghazi under those circumstances."

Didn't read the whole thread, but am I the only one severely bothered by this statement?

On 9/11, unarmed fighters launched intending to RAM an airliner and Gates says that even had one been available he wouldn't have sent an armed fighter to support a US embassy under attack because the enemy might have MANPADs?

I don't think our military could have done anything that night, that pooch was screwed in the previous days and weeks, but if that statement is indicative of his true feelings then he is a damned disgrace.
 
2013-05-13 12:47:54 PM  

JustGetItRight: "Well, given the number of surface to air missiles that have disappeared from Gaddafi's arsenals, I would not have approved sending an aircraft, a single aircraft, over Benghazi under those circumstances."

Didn't read the whole thread, but am I the only one severely bothered by this statement?

On 9/11, unarmed fighters launched intending to RAM an airliner and Gates says that even had one been available he wouldn't have sent an armed fighter to support a US embassy under attack because the enemy might have MANPADs?

I don't think our military could have done anything that night, that pooch was screwed in the previous days and weeks, but if that statement is indicative of his true feelings then he is a damned disgrace.


Nope, not bothered at all.  Tell us, how would recklessly getting air crew killed have made the situation better? Are larger body counts more heroic and noble?
 
2013-05-13 12:52:50 PM  

mrshowrules: As a Canadian, all those tanks in the US makes me nervous. Just saying.


Meh, we've invaded you three times over to wars and you've kicked our arse each time.

We might be slow, but I think we've learned our lesson.....
 
2013-05-13 12:53:51 PM  

JustGetItRight: mrshowrules: As a Canadian, all those tanks in the US makes me nervous. Just saying.

Meh, we've invaded you three times over to wars and you've kicked our arse each time.

We might be slow, but I think we've learned our lesson.....


Hey, maybe we could hit 'em up for foreign aid.
 
2013-05-13 01:01:04 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Nope, not bothered at all. Tell us, how would recklessly getting air crew killed have made the situation better? Are larger body counts more heroic and noble?


Job #1 of the US Military is to protect US citizens.  Sometimes that means taking a risk.

To use a prior analogy, it is no different than when the first arriving engine company from a fire department enters a building to rescue a trapped civilian.  Any number of bad things might go wrong, they don't know when backup units will arrive, but they do it anyhow because that's what they signed up to do.

What bothers me isn't that they didn't send aircraft because they weren't in a position to do any good.  What bothers me is that Gates' statement is that he wouldn't have sent a plane or two because he wouldn't have had time to plan against any possible threat even if those couple of aircraft could have done some good and that is plain and simply wrong.
 
2013-05-13 01:02:30 PM  

vygramul: SunsetLament: The seven CIA personnel (including Doherty and Woods, who lost their lives) that ignored orders and went to the annex anyway, fought for hours, killed approximately 100 attackers and saved the lives of over thirty Americans.

Uh-huh. And they were all 7 feet tall and fired lightning bolts from their eyes and fireballs from their asses.


That's in the State Department's report dipshiat.
 
2013-05-13 01:03:53 PM  

Ed Grubermann: FlyNavy: Popcorn Johnny: This thread reminds me of my time in the Army, jealous grunts angry over not being able to qualify for an aviation MOS. I'll leave you guys to your growing circle jerk, much like when I was serving, we tried to keep away from the unwashed masses in combat arms.

Someone's a sore loser.


Rwa2play: Popcorn Johnny: vygramul: Don't feel too bad. Apparently, the largest tank battle in U.S. history is insignificant in his estimation, but smaller ones in WWII were.

4 tanks damaged, one soldier killed by friendly fire. The horror, the horror.

strawman is noted and laughed at.


Guys, guys, check his profile. He's from Kansas. Be kind, he probable can't help his derping and might not even be aware of it, given that he's immersed in background levels of derp so high as to make his own indistinguishable from the ambient derp.
 
2013-05-13 01:05:34 PM  

digistil: StinkyFiddlewinks: Obvious tag gone AWOL like GWB?

I have it on good word from a Teabagger that GWB never went AWOL. He was recruited as an American James Bond to infiltrate the Soviet Union and help set in motion its fall. Dude speaks over 30 languages and has an IQ over 250. He only acts like a complete moran to throw everyone off the trail. Like I said, source is a Teabagger.


He was exiled to Alabama by his pappy owing to Shrub's drinking/snorting swath that he had been swerving along through Houston, well on his way to an embarrassing denouement for the whole clan.
So, the `conspirasists' who think Nixon was behind the assassination attempt of George Wallace, write Shrub in as a conduit to the RNC/CREEP.  Probably closer to the truth is that daddy got him a paid position in the Red Blount Alabama campaign for U.S. Senate- knowing full well his son's limitations - as he "showed up late and left early", never stuffed an envelope and was often seen drinking at the bar of the Diplomat Inn in Montgomery, AL.
 
2013-05-13 01:07:06 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: vygramul: Don't feel too bad. Apparently, the largest tank battle in U.S. history is insignificant in his estimation, but smaller ones in WWII were.

4 tanks damaged, one soldier killed by friendly fire. The horror, the horror.


So it's only significant if you lose? I would say it's one of the most significant tank battles in history because of what it demonstrated about US military capability compared to Soviet satellites.
 
2013-05-13 01:08:20 PM  

JustGetItRight: Philip Francis Queeg: Nope, not bothered at all. Tell us, how would recklessly getting air crew killed have made the situation better? Are larger body counts more heroic and noble?

Job #1 of the US Military is to protect US citizens.  Sometimes that means taking a risk.

To use a prior analogy, it is no different than when the first arriving engine company from a fire department enters a building to rescue a trapped civilian.  Any number of bad things might go wrong, they don't know when backup units will arrive, but they do it anyhow because that's what they signed up to do.

What bothers me isn't that they didn't send aircraft because they weren't in a position to do any good.  What bothers me is that Gates' statement is that he wouldn't have sent a plane or two because he wouldn't have had time to plan against any possible threat even if those couple of aircraft could have done some good and that is plain and simply wrong.


Yes their priority is to protect US citizens, NOT to recklessly get themselves killed in a useless gesture.

Your understanding of fire fighting is pretty cartoonish too. There are circumstances where fire fighters will not enter a burning building if the risk to themselves is too great. Their lives, like those in the military, have actual value and should not be thrown away for no purpose. You aren't that damned special, snowflake. Sacrificing a dozens lives in a futile effort to save yours is not a good idea.
 
2013-05-13 01:11:04 PM  

SunsetLament: vygramul: SunsetLament: The seven CIA personnel (including Doherty and Woods, who lost their lives) that ignored orders and went to the annex anyway, fought for hours, killed approximately 100 attackers and saved the lives of over thirty Americans.

Uh-huh. And they were all 7 feet tall and fired lightning bolts from their eyes and fireballs from their asses.

That's in the State Department's report dipshiat.


Some low-flying jets will scare them off, but not a hail of bullets, apparently.
 
2013-05-13 01:14:35 PM  
Johnny popcorns 6in6 is nothing to brag about, I got 7 in 4

/infantry for four years,left as an e-4. CO said I was too damn wild for the rear.

/1st article 15 was swiss seating girls up to the 3rd floor because they wouldn't allow them in the infantry barracks, second was for modifying my ID to make me 21.
Forgot to switch out my fake for a piss test. Drug&alcohol NCO didn't like me much.

That's all I've got to say about that.
 
2013-05-13 01:16:01 PM  

SunsetLament: vygramul: SunsetLament: The seven CIA personnel (including Doherty and Woods, who lost their lives) that ignored orders and went to the annex anyway, fought for hours, killed approximately 100 attackers and saved the lives of over thirty Americans.

Uh-huh. And they were all 7 feet tall and fired lightning bolts from their eyes and fireballs from their asses.

That's in the State Department's report dipshiat.


Oh, and linky, if you please. I can find an unofficial book called "Benghazi: The Definitive Report" that asserts it, but not the DoS.
 
2013-05-13 01:19:53 PM  
The number of desperate, spittle-flecked posts from right-wingers in this thread tells me that the jimmies have gotten a serious rustling at the hands of the former SecDef, and I, for one, couldn't be more pleased.
 
2013-05-13 01:21:00 PM  

scut207: Johnny popcorns 6in6 is nothing to brag about, I got 7 in 4

/infantry for four years,left as an e-4. CO said I was too damn wild for the rear.


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