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2013-05-13 07:08:35 AM

Popcorn Johnny: spcMike: I can assure you my test scores are higher than yours.

Nah


That's precious. Is your GT score higher than 135?
 
2013-05-13 07:19:09 AM

spcMike: That's precious. Is your GT score higher than 135?


Under the new standard, it maxes out at 160 so not sure why you're so impressed with a 135. When I was in, the max was 130 and I scored a 124.

Boom!
 
2013-05-13 07:24:46 AM

thamike: Is Benghazi a cartoon yet?

[oilersnation.com image 304x400]

Everything's comin' up Milhouse.


Brilliant, thank you.
 
2013-05-13 07:33:11 AM
Gates has a cartoonish view of Republicans if he thinks they view war as anything other than a chance to make some serious money.

It isn't about victory; it's about not sending your kids to war and making money off of the Americans who do.
 
2013-05-13 07:40:06 AM

Popcorn Johnny: spcMike: That's precious. Is your GT score higher than 135?

Under the new standard, it maxes out at 160 so not sure why you're so impressed with a 135. When I was in, the max was 130 and I scored a 124.

Boom!


After seeing your responses here in various posts, I'm actually impressed that you managed an 80, so yes, a 135 or more for you would be quite remarkable.
 
2013-05-13 07:41:11 AM
Listen people. I personally fought along side of Popcorn Johnny in 'Nam. 131st Fighting Chicken Hawks (Go Hawks, BOOYA!!) and I can vouch for him.There has never been a finer Boatswain in the history of the USAF.
 
2013-05-13 07:48:33 AM

Whiskey Pete: Listen people. I personally fought along side of Popcorn Johnny in 'Nam. 131st Fighting Chicken Hawks (Go Hawks, BOOYA!!) and I can vouch for him.There has never been a finer Boatswain in the history of the USAF.


Was that at da nang? with the waterslide?
 
2013-05-13 07:49:05 AM

stoli n coke: While the first was a good movie exploring the shabby treatment of our veterans and lack of help for PTSD, the second was just a ra-ra circle jerk for Reaganites and Cold War paranoids.


uh go back and watch First Blood again, the central message is basically "the liberals are bad"
 
2013-05-13 07:51:01 AM

gaspode: Was that at da nang? with the waterslide?


Well, we saw Da Nang in the brochure but we didn't really stop there.
 
2013-05-13 07:51:28 AM

Zeppelininthesky: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: SunsetLament: Nope, the Pentagon has already backtracked on the "no stand down order" ... now they are trying to say that the words "stand down" were never used, instead they simply told Gibson he couldn't get on the plane. There is absolutely no facts at issue whether or not someone above Gibson told him not to leave Tripoli (Hicks says it's what Gibson told him, NBC News confirmed it with their Pentagon sources ... and then the Pentagon yesterday came out and confirmed it).

So US military units as small as four men are just flying around foreign countries kicking whichever asses they deem appropriate until someone says, "Hey, stand down."? Cuz that just sounds, I dunno, like a cartoon.

All made of Chuck Norris.


1) Chuck Norris is a Republican
2) Chuck Norris could have roundhouse kicked all the terrorists before the attack started

therefore

Republicans are to blame for the deaths at Benghazi
 
2013-05-13 07:54:24 AM
Interesting?  More like Obvious.
 
2013-05-13 07:58:09 AM

Animatronik: Its definitely better to send forces when the ambasador asks for security,
but mostly this just demonstrates an inability to understand the significance of what happened.  A U.S. ambassadors life was at stake and there was no response of any kind for many hours.  Why did we send those guys I'm there if they could not be protected????

Incompetence in the State Department.

Hilary has always been an incompetent.  She finally inserted herself into a job where pols lives depended on her competence.


how many hours did it take for the first quick response team to evacuate all surviving US personnel?
 
2013-05-13 07:58:10 AM
Looking at this thread, Popcorn Johnny literally stayed up all night to argue.


Lol what a waste of time.
 
2013-05-13 07:58:41 AM
Wow, lots of pwnage on the land-of-make-believe right-wingers.

Damn, and they wonder why Romney lost...
 
2013-05-13 07:58:43 AM
Physicists at MIT report that this thread has given them new insight into the way the universe works.  "We saw goalposts move so fast, that they appeared to exceed the speed of light.  The goalposts actually achieved quantum entanglement, which meant that any two goalposts could occupy any two points in the universe. In fact, we theorize that they occupied every point in the universe simultaneously."  The research resulted in the discovery of a new quantum entity, the derpon.
 
2013-05-13 08:01:26 AM
Dumbasses should have just called me.

I would have jumped on a diving board over and over getting higher with each bounce until I went into space.  I would have held my breath while I orbited the earth 10 times just because I'm such a badass.  Then I would have plummeted down toward bengazi like a meteor.  The flames would have enveloped me and took the form of a flaming eagle as I dropped down on them screaming.

I would have reached them in only five minutes.  Then I would have hefted a M2 HB .50 cal HMG with just one arm with 5,000,000 rounds draped over me firing one handed while screaming the whole time killing every rag head in sight.  Those .50 cal rounds would have been Ruafus rounds meaning each time I hit a rag head they would have vaporized into a red mist.  Walking down to the compound firing non stop screaming while eagles circled above me crying their tears of freedom on the rag heads as they exploded one after another.  The rag heads would have been laying down a murderous volume of fire as rounds grazed my flesh as I closed in on them firing non stop.  Then with my free hand I would have ripped a 20 mm cannon from the carriage mount nearby and racked it like Sarah Conner did with the shotgun in T2 to chamber a round and fire with both the .50 cal and 20 mm cannon into the rag heads.  I would have wiped out all the rag heads only if they bothered to call me.

Yep,  So it's all Obama's fault.  The eagles flying over me are crying tears of freedom right now because they know what could have been if only he called me instead of sleeping in at 3 AM.
 
2013-05-13 08:04:30 AM

digistil: StinkyFiddlewinks: Obvious tag gone AWOL like GWB?

I have it on good word from a Teabagger that GWB never went AWOL. He was recruited as an American James Bond to infiltrate the Soviet Union and help set in motion its fall. Dude speaks over 30 languages and has an IQ over 250. He only acts like a complete moran to throw everyone off the trail. Like I said, source is a Teabagger.


Damn..He is GOOD!
 
2013-05-13 08:05:09 AM

Animatronik: Its definitely better to send forces when the ambasador asks for security,
but mostly this just demonstrates an inability to understand the significance of what happened.  A U.S. ambassadors life was at stake and there was no response of any kind for many hours.  Why did we send those guys I'm there if they could not be protected????

Incompetence in the State Department.

Hilary has always been an incompetent.  She finally inserted herself into a job where pols lives depended on her competence.

 And if they'd sent under-prepared forces into the riot, leading to more injuries and deaths, you'd be attacking that, too. Or if we sent the Marines in Tripoli, leaving the actual embassy unguarded.
There is no scenario in which you shiatheads WOULDN'T have attacked Obama and Hillary for this.
 
2013-05-13 08:07:11 AM

FullMetalPanda: Dumbasses should have just called me.

I would have jumped on a diving board over and over getting higher with each bounce until I went into space.  I would have held my breath while I orbited the earth 10 times just because I'm such a badass.  Then I would have plummeted down toward bengazi like a meteor.  The flames would have enveloped me and took the form of a flaming eagle as I dropped down on them screaming.

I would have reached them in only five minutes.  Then I would have hefted a M2 HB .50 cal HMG with just one arm with 5,000,000 rounds draped over me firing one handed while screaming the whole time killing every rag head in sight.  Those .50 cal rounds would have been Ruafus rounds meaning each time I hit a rag head they would have vaporized into a red mist.  Walking down to the compound firing non stop screaming while eagles circled above me crying their tears of freedom on the rag heads as they exploded one after another.  The rag heads would have been laying down a murderous volume of fire as rounds grazed my flesh as I closed in on them firing non stop.  Then with my free hand I would have ripped a 20 mm cannon from the carriage mount nearby and racked it like Sarah Conner did with the shotgun in T2 to chamber a round and fire with both the .50 cal and 20 mm cannon into the rag heads.  I would have wiped out all the rag heads only if they bothered to call me.

Yep,  So it's all Obama's fault.  The eagles flying over me are crying tears of freedom right now because they know what could have been if only he called me instead of sleeping in at 3 AM.



W...would you autograph my boner?
 
2013-05-13 08:11:21 AM
well it's obvious that fartbama should have invaded Belize on Sept 12th, that's what Ronald would have done.
 
2013-05-13 08:23:09 AM

MustangFive: 67V? A friggin' helicopter mechanic??? Really out there on the sharp end, huh?

Well, I know who to turn to when I need advice on ground combat-related matters.

/11C & 11B, 22 years (so far), SFC, CIB, EIB.
//Let's not get into an ASVAB score dick measuring contest. A 105 Mechanical Maintenance sub-score ain't exactly indicative of a rocket surgeon, ITG.
///Next up, JohnnyPopcorn talks about how he's "been there and done that"
////Did what exactly? Checked that bolts were tightened to proper torque specs? What a badass!


The folks with the serious good ASVAB scores almost always got the important technical slots.
I shot a 97 on the ASVAB in 1980 and took Fire Control Technician, Missiles as my MOS, wound up
servicing a 1960's era missile fire control computer system. Looked like this:

www.vintagecomputer.net

Also cross trained in Radar.

None the less, Weapons types are considered top siders and participate in in Underway replenishment, ship security, in-port guard duty
and have top side general quarters duties. All of which have dangers and risks associated with them.

I was on the roving patrol one night, carrying a .45 and 3 full clips when a noted a drunken snipe with a chip on his shoulder looking to beat up a twidget or two wandering into Weapons berthing at 3am. I halted him and he immediately lunged at me, actually trying to get the weapon. Took 4 or 5 of us to subdue the idiot.

USN...good times man!
 
2013-05-13 08:26:34 AM

SunsetLament: The seven CIA personnel (including Doherty and Woods, who lost their lives) that ignored orders and went to the annex anyway, fought for hours, killed approximately 100 attackers and saved the lives of over thirty Americans.


Uh-huh. And they were all 7 feet tall and fired lightning bolts from their eyes and fireballs from their asses.
 
2013-05-13 08:30:41 AM
My many hours commanding a squad of crack troops has demonstrated that I can deploy six soldiers (or five soldiers and a robot) anywhere in the world within three hours. These soldiers can then fight their way through forces with more advanced equipment and superior numbers, thanks to their enhanced abilities and my strategic leadership. There's no excuse for our government- which is only battling poor terrorists armed with improvised bombs and AK-47s, not Beserkers and Mutons with plasma rifles- to do anything less.

//Wait till you hear what Civilization has taught me about foreign policy
 
2013-05-13 08:39:55 AM

Whiskey Pete: gaspode: Was that at da nang? with the waterslide?

Well, we saw Da Nang in the brochure but we didn't really stop there.


It's cool. The campsites are shaped like teepees!
 
2013-05-13 08:41:40 AM

t3knomanser: My many hours commanding a squad of crack troops has demonstrated that I can deploy six soldiers (or five soldiers and a robot) anywhere in the world within three hours. These soldiers can then fight their way through forces with more advanced equipment and superior numbers, thanks to their enhanced abilities and my strategic leadership. There's no excuse for our government- which is only battling poor terrorists armed with improvised bombs and AK-47s, not Beserkers and Mutons with plasma rifles- to do anything less


If you bothered to group with a bard rather than go the easy route and bot, your group would have all gotten a significant bump to both to hit and damage. Alternately you could have gone with a paladin for the aura buffs and debuff cleansing.

If you're gonna run American military strategy, lrn2group noob.
 
2013-05-13 08:47:39 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Popcorn Johnny: cameroncrazy1984: Oh no, I'm not bragging about any military service.

Can't brag about what you don't have, right?

You seem to.


Holy shiat, this is hilarious. You're on my favorites.
 
2013-05-13 08:56:41 AM

t3knomanser: My many hours commanding a squad of crack troops has demonstrated that I can deploy six soldiers (or five soldiers and a robot) anywhere in the world within three hours. These soldiers can then fight their way through forces with more advanced equipment and superior numbers, thanks to their enhanced abilities and my strategic leadership. There's no excuse for our government- which is only battling poor terrorists armed with improvised bombs and AK-47s, not Beserkers and Mutons with plasma rifles- to do anything less.

//Wait till you hear what Civilization has taught me about foreign policy


Oh yeah? Just wait until your tank comes across a goddamned spearman.
 
2013-05-13 08:59:48 AM

SunsetLament: pornopose: SunsetLament: Listen, I don't give a fark what Gates said ... if an American Ambassador in a war zone says "We are under attack" you don't fark around and say "Oh, well, we don't have a plan in place so we can't help." - you farking send whatever you have available and improvise and do your best.  Gates' comments are embarrassing.  Anybody who believes what Gates said is too farking incompetent to be in a leadership position in our military (or federal law enforcement); end of story.  You don't leave people on the battlefield (where it may be) because you haven't farking gameplanned out all the scenarios.  And while we're at it; this was an consulate in the middle of one of the most dangerous places in the world ... why wasn't there a farking "Holy shiat we're under attack, we need to save a mass of people who have been driven out of the buildings IMMEDIATELY" plan?

Embarrassing.

Plans are one thing. Paying for adequate security is quite another. Hasn't the State Dept been asking for money for years now? Who's in charge of alloting money again? The blah guy or the orange guy? I forget..


"But would more money have prevented the attacks?  Apparently not, at least according to one senior State Department official who would certainly seem to know.  In testimony Wednesday before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, was asked, "Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?"  Lamb responded, "No, sir."  Recall that Lamb is the person who denied requests from the top diplomatic security officer in Libya to retain a 16-man team of military personnel who had been protecting diplomats."


umm more money isn't necessarily just limited to more security personnel. I think that an underground bunker or escape tunnels might have came in handy
 
2013-05-13 09:04:05 AM

Hobodeluxe: I think that an underground bunker or escape tunnels might have came in handy


They always do...
 
2013-05-13 09:14:26 AM
There's a reason HubieStubert is the only farker on my color-coded "favorites" list. . . .
 
2013-05-13 09:15:21 AM

powhound: Gyrfalcon: One thing I do love about these threads is they let me update my "Farkers who actually served in the military" list vs. "poseurs who got their lingo from 2 years in the National Guard and a lot of video games."

For you guys who did serve and were in combat--thanks again.

Not sure if you meant it as such, but that is kind of a slap in the face to the vast majority of those in the military.


A Marine I used to know spent most of his service in Hawaii on a project to map out radar and radio dead spots in the island chain.  The Marines had him and another guy driving around with little adult supervision the country side of Hawaii.  A lot of drinking was done during this.

I really don't see a need to thank him for that.

LordJiro: And if they'd sent under-prepared forces into the riot, leading to more injuries and deaths, you'd be attacking that, too. Or if we sent the Marines in Tripoli, leaving the actual embassy unguarded.
There is no scenario in which you shiatheads WOULDN'T have attacked Obama and Hillary for this.


NO NO.  THEY PROMISE THAT IF SOME LOW OR MIDLEVEL PERSON AUTHORIZED THOSE FOUR GUYS AS REINFORCEMENTS THEY WOULD NEVER EVER EVER BLAME THOSE DEATHS ON OBAMA.  THE DEATHS OF PEOPLE ON RESCUE MISSIONS OR ACTING AS SOLDIERS NEVER COUNT AGAINST THE BLACK GUY.

Have a few right wingnuts/derpers/TRUE CONSERVATIVES in my office.  Morning after the Bin Laden announcement they spent 45 minutes biatching about Obama and how arrogant he was and how he kept saying "me" and "I" and etc etc and how it's completely immoral for him to take any credit for it because it was all the military.
Eventually I decided to ask them:
"If all 36 (?) sailors and two airmen on that mission had died, would you have blamed Obama for those deaths?"

They didn't mention anything about Bin Laden dying after that.  Ever.
 
2013-05-13 09:17:54 AM

EnviroDude: Gates: 911, please send the fire department to my house - I see flames.
911: I´m sorry, they couldn´t possibly get there in time.
Gates: How do you know? Please, please.
911: You have a cartoonish view of fire department capability.

/ripped from RPool


You didn't read the article, did you? Or maybe you "read" it, but just didn't understand all the big words in it. Or maybe you can't fit the words together into something that fits in your brain. Regardless, the article itself is what takes what you wrote and laughs at it.

Go back to watching TV and movies.
 
2013-05-13 09:18:42 AM

X-boxershorts: MustangFive: 67V? A friggin' helicopter mechanic??? Really out there on the sharp end, huh?

Well, I know who to turn to when I need advice on ground combat-related matters.

/11C & 11B, 22 years (so far), SFC, CIB, EIB.
//Let's not get into an ASVAB score dick measuring contest. A 105 Mechanical Maintenance sub-score ain't exactly indicative of a rocket surgeon, ITG.
///Next up, JohnnyPopcorn talks about how he's "been there and done that"
////Did what exactly? Checked that bolts were tightened to proper torque specs? What a badass!

The folks with the serious good ASVAB scores almost always got the important technical slots.
I shot a 97 on the ASVAB in 1980 and took Fire Control Technician, Missiles as my MOS, wound up
servicing a 1960's era missile fire control computer system. Looked like this:

[www.vintagecomputer.net image 350x454]

Also cross trained in Radar.

None the less, Weapons types are considered top siders and participate in in Underway replenishment, ship security, in-port guard duty
and have top side general quarters duties. All of which have dangers and risks associated with them.

I was on the roving patrol one night, carrying a .45 and 3 full clips when a noted a drunken snipe with a chip on his shoulder looking to beat up a twidget or two wandering into Weapons berthing at 3am. I halted him and he immediately lunged at me, actually trying to get the weapon. Took 4 or 5 of us to subdue the idiot.

USN...good times man!


Same here.  Scored 96 on the ASVAB.  Went FC after the AETC (formerly B double E) then on to CIWS.  Granted, I was born the year before you joined.  But none of what you said has really changed much, lol.  Still serve the same underway functions for the most part, still have to deal with engineers with chips on their shoulders, they switched out the .45s for 9mm Berettas.  Dealt with a few inebriated shipmates on roving patrol.  Usually in the Gulf, as you had the intense heat coupled with all day drinking benders.

Now I work as a biomedical field engineer.  I spend all day in the car alone, and when I am at a hospital to work, I can't haze the crap out of the employees there or talk shiat like we did on the SPPs during midwatch underway.  Never thought I'd say it when I left, but I definitely miss it.
 
2013-05-13 09:22:01 AM

buckler: Whiskey Pete: gaspode: Was that at da nang? with the waterslide?

Well, we saw Da Nang in the brochure but we didn't really stop there.

It's cool. The campsites are shaped like teepees!


i1162.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-13 09:24:54 AM

vygramul: Oh yeah? Just wait until your tank comes across a goddamned spearman.


You know, that was one of the nice fixes in CiV5.
 
2013-05-13 09:25:45 AM
Knowledge -based opinions have never bothered the GOP, they seem to prefer opinions pulled out of asses. See age of earth for fun example
 
2013-05-13 09:33:14 AM

Satanic_Hamster: vygramul: Oh yeah? Just wait until your tank comes across a goddamned spearman.

You know, that was one of the nice fixes in CiV5.


It's funny - a bunch of the changes, individually, in Civ5 are really good. But the game just doesn't cut it for me. I think it's due to a slow mid-game and few early wars, the lack of a penalty for settling across the map (and it's really irritating when the AI does it), and how the culture/policies drive so much that you end up optimizing for it.

That, and the map is a memory hog, so "huge" maps are really not all that large and the modding isn't as easy.
 
2013-05-13 09:42:06 AM

The Lone Gunman: draa: Considering most Republicans have never served a day in our military this is no surprise. Fantasize is what chickenhawks do best.

I'm trying to find the exact quote and who said it, but...

War is a grand adventure to those who've never been in one.


This. In frustrated political discussions with my conservative neighbors, I can always tell who's a veteran and who isn't.
 
2013-05-13 09:44:37 AM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Well, I don't know what was the final straw that broke the camels back, but whatever it was, it was so bad that he wasn't just banned, he was nuked from orbit -- every single thing he ever posted on Fark was unpublished, and his account was deleted.


It's all right. I'm sure he's still with us, in dozens of new alt-spawn sock-puppets.

Er, spirit. I meant with us in spirit.
 
2013-05-13 09:45:01 AM

readymix: Now I work as a biomedical field engineer. I spend all day in the car alone, and when I am at a hospital to work, I can't haze the crap out of the employees there or talk shiat like we did on the SPPs during midwatch underway. Never thought I'd say it when I left, but I definitely miss it.


I've now spent my entire adult life in IT or High Tech... joining the Navy was the smartest thing I think I've ever done. I was a field engineer building and servicing X-Ray rooms myself for a few years....that was different. Enjoying life now as a lead Engineer on a new research and education network....

Combat billet or not, if you served honorably, THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE!
 
2013-05-13 09:50:10 AM

TheGregiss: Looking at this thread, Popcorn Johnny literally stayed up all night to argue.


Lol what a waste of time.


To where he will claim that he is the real winner.

'HA! I stayed up all night and wasted several hours to look like an idiot to random people on an internet message forum. I trolled you all soooooo bad. Suck on that, I win!'
 
2013-05-13 09:55:48 AM

NeverDrunk23: TheGregiss: Looking at this thread, Popcorn Johnny literally stayed up all night to argue.


Lol what a waste of time.

To where he will claim that he is the real winner.

'HA! I stayed up all night and wasted several hours to look like an idiot to random people on an internet message forum. I trolled you all soooooo bad. Suck on that, I win!'


Unless, of course, he's not actually real. One way to find out....quick! Someone ask him about turtles.
 
2013-05-13 09:57:24 AM

clkeagle: That would explain the thought behind $2.8 billion dollars allocated for improved Abrams tanks... when we have two thousand mission-capable tanks (and thousands of other tracked vehicles like these 113-series) sitting unused in the Nevada desert:

[www.tacomlcmccommunityreport.com image 580x387]

Somewhere deep in the minds of Republicans is a fantasy. In that fantasy, we are lining up divisions of tanks and storming across the fields, deserts, or woods in a major symmetrical conflict. When in reality, the future will consist of very small skirmishes in who-knows-what terrain.

The Abrams, great system that it is, has been all but useless in the more mountainous regions of Afghanistan. It would be no different in the Balkans, Alps, Himalayas, or Taebaeks. Nor is it useful in any kind of swampy marshland. And in urban settings - which are definitely the conflicts of the future - a platoon of tanks is nothing but collateral damage that can be used as enemy propaganda.


As a Canadian, all those tanks in the US makes me nervous.  Just saying.
 
2013-05-13 10:00:25 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Popcorn Johnny: cameroncrazy1984: Oh no, I'm not bragging about any military service.

Can't brag about what you don't have, right?

You seem to.


www.anbaric.com
 
2013-05-13 10:01:29 AM

mrshowrules: As a Canadian, all those tanks in the US makes me nervous.  Just saying.


Well just don't ship your oil to China and we won't be forced to annex you...

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-05-13 10:01:47 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Kibbler: Were the 60 deaths in attacks on American diplomatic facilities during the Bush years 15 times as embarrassing?

That's it, Obama supporters officially have nothing to fall back on and are pulling the "but...but...Bush" card. The same pathetic move Jay Carney pulled the other day when being questioned on the IRS targeting conservative groups.


WAHHHHHHHHHH! POINTING OUT THE OBVIOUS IS BAD FOR MY ARGUMENT! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH~!
 
2013-05-13 10:02:53 AM
That matches the cartoonish impression democrats have of our society.
 
2013-05-13 10:03:08 AM

Popcorn Johnny: buckler: Tell me, Johnny, when and where did you serve, and in what branch?

US Army 1986 to 1994. Rank: SSG MOS: 67V

Served in Korea, Germany, Texas and Iraq.

Any other questions?


SEMPER FIB!
 
2013-05-13 10:08:36 AM

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


Republicans have a "cartoonish impression" of US military capability everything.
 
2013-05-13 10:13:55 AM

Proteios1: That matches the cartoonish impression democrats have of our society.


Wait, Glen Beck, Rand Paul, Wayne LaPierre and Alex Jones are democrats?
 
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