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2013-05-12 06:53:40 PM  
Did Obama find the Benghazi Killers yet?  He promised to find and arrest them. How hard can it be?  He has pictures and everything.

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2013-05-12 06:54:06 PM  
"It's sort of a cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces. The one thing that our forces are noted for is planning and preparation before we send people in harm's way. And there just wasn't time to do that."

You'll never convince the seen-too-many-episodes-of-24 FOX watcher crowd of that fact but still, nice response to all the manufactured hysteria. Those idiots appear to be angry that the military didn't lose even more people that day by sending them in immediately without accurate intelligence, sufficient weaponry or superior numbers.

That all noted, why is AfriCom still based in freaking Stuttgart, Germany?
 
2013-05-12 06:55:11 PM  
Rincewind53 biatchslapped Popcorn Douchebag Johnny with that post
 
2013-05-12 06:56:03 PM  

SamWaters: Did Obama find the Benghazi Killers yet?  He promised to find and arrest them. How hard can it be?  He has pictures and everything.

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Somebody alert reddit.  They did a bangup job last time.
 
2013-05-12 06:56:03 PM  
Homer: Lisa, being President is easy! You just point the Army and shoot!
 
2013-05-12 06:56:35 PM  
They should have just dispatched Solid Snake. He totally would have kicked the Bengayzee's asses. Sam Fisher, Commander Shepard or Kirby would also have been acceptable choices.
 
2013-05-12 06:57:41 PM  

SamWaters: Did Obama find the Benghazi Killers yet?  He promised to find and arrest them. How hard can it be?  He has pictures and everything.

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Who cares? What difference does it make?
 
2013-05-12 06:57:43 PM  
...okay, it is harder than you think to find one of those war-propaganda posters of gazillions of guns and cannons and tanks and planes all pointed in the same direction. You know the type, right?
 
2013-05-12 06:58:32 PM  

ghare: Radioactive Ass: hubiestubert: Well, he's right. Folks seem to think that their military is sitting in a room waiting to be unleashed like a video game. You have X amount of units, and they can respond immediately to any threat within their area of operations at a moment's notice. That we have everyone on alert, 24 hours a day, and that units are just waiting to be sent out, planes and helicopters gassed up and ready, and already armed with various payloads, and pilots just pick the plane or chopper that is right for the mission like it's some kind of game.

Sh*t ain't like that. And that we have folks on the Armed Services Committee without any working knowledge of how our military works, is damn frightening.

I'd just say that this comment by Gates:

"We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East - despite all the turmoil that's going on - with planes on strip alert, troops ready to deploy at a moment's notice. And so, getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible."

Is a problem. Let's just say it. It's September 11th, in the Middle East, with known turmoil going on, Why the hell wouldn't you have some forces in the area on standby in case something does happen and they are needed? The guys in the consulate wouldn't know that you didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable (or "Cartoonish") idea to assume that you had someone in charge who could think ahead enough to be prepared just in case.

If it had happened on, say, the 11th of February or whatever then I could understand it. You are correct, we don't usually have troops on hot standby 24\7 and haven't for a very long time (Cold war era). But to have to go to Norther Italy, Spain and Croatia for men and equipment (and even then they aren't on standby, on Sept. 11th) is a major screw up by someone.

Was it a problem last year on 9/11? The year before that? How about the year before that, year before that ,year before that, year before that, year before that ...


Not to mention that Benghazi is about 1000 miles from Israel and the rest of the Middle East.  Were we supposed to have a carrier group standing by offshore of every embassy and consulate from Morocco to Afghanistan?
 
2013-05-12 06:58:54 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Where exactly would you have them based? Its not like there are countries beating down our doors to get US troops stationed in their territory. And supposing we did have some sort of rapid-reaction force stationed within an hour of anywhere in the world we have people -because that's what it'd take - those troops would be just as much a target as the Benghazi consulate was. Remember USS Cole? Remember Khobar Towers? Unless you're planning on invading half the countries in the world just so we can station troops there to be the world's policeman, it is simply not feasible to have a base everywhere we might want it.


That's above my pay grade, however I find it very hard to believe that if the US had asked that they wouldn't have had too much of a problem finding at least one place in the ME (maybe Turkey, it's fairly well centered in the region and is a NATO Ally) or even Southern Europe to sit for a day or two. Hell just two days ago the US put some forces on alert over what's going on in Libya right now. It's not like they can't do it, it's that they didn't think ahead and do it last Sept.

BSABSVR: Well, if we are going to schlep troops back and forth randomly based on days that may or may not be symbolic to Islamic militants, then we need to have troops on hot standby on:


Are any of those dates ones where a major attack as symbolic as 9/11 was done? It's no coincidence that the Benghazi attacks happened on that date.
 
2013-05-12 07:01:17 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: They should have just dispatched Solid Snake. He totally would have kicked the Bengayzee's asses. Sam Fisher, Commander Shepard or Kirby would also have been acceptable choices.


Number of times my Call of Duty Clan [AKFU] was called by Obama: 0

And with an average K/D ration of 15:1, I think we know a little something about a) how to take out a mob. and B) That it only takes .8 seconds to call in an airstrike.  Don't even get me stared on how to thin out a crowd by spamming bouncing bettys.
 
2013-05-12 07:03:40 PM  

Rincewind53: In this thread: A lot of Fark Independents with cartoonish impressions of US military capability.


Gee, and I was saying this two days ago already. Someone is stealing all my material.

It's due to too much TV and movies, where Jack Bauer can magically get from San Pedro to downtown LA via the 110 freeway at rush hour (a 75-minute drive) in ONE one-hour segment and still have time for plot development and posing on the street corner; or how two commandos in Modern Warfare 2 can take out an entire Russian airbase and never get killed or run out of ammo and still make it to Brazil the next day. IT'S NOT REAL, PEOPLE.

In the same way, sure, four of our Special Forces guys were willing to go to Benghazi, and there was a C-130 that could have taken them, and it's a 4-hour flight from Tripoli--but. Was the plane warmed up, on the runway, ready to take off? Or did they still have to fuel it up, get the flight crew their orders and charts, and prep a plane that takes anywhere from an hour to a lunar month to take off? And once they landed in Benghazi...how far is it from the airstrip to the consulate? Or did people think they were going to parachute out of the C-130 as it flew over the consulate and land guns a-blazin' in the front yard? Or did they think they would fight their way through the streets like that spectacularly (un)successful mission in Mogadishu? It worked in Ridley Scott's movie; but in real life, not so much. Remember that one?

The military command knows what they can and can't do. The rest of us do not. If they say they couldn't have done it without killing more personnel, I'm inclined to believe them.
 
2013-05-12 07:05:11 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Wolf_Blitzer: Where exactly would you have them based? Its not like there are countries beating down our doors to get US troops stationed in their territory. And supposing we did have some sort of rapid-reaction force stationed within an hour of anywhere in the world we have people -because that's what it'd take - those troops would be just as much a target as the Benghazi consulate was. Remember USS Cole? Remember Khobar Towers? Unless you're planning on invading half the countries in the world just so we can station troops there to be the world's policeman, it is simply not feasible to have a base everywhere we might want it.

That's above my pay grade, however I find it very hard to believe that if the US had asked that they wouldn't have had too much of a problem finding at least one place in the ME (maybe Turkey, it's fairly well centered in the region and is a NATO Ally) or even Southern Europe to sit for a day or two.


Hicks asked for planes stationed in Italy to do a flyby and somehow scare the Libyans off like Native Americans scared by loud iron horses.  The military decided it was too far away to help, and a plane flying that low would most likely be shot at by surface to air missiles left over from Quadaffi and the civil war.
 
2013-05-12 07:05:52 PM  
MODERN WARFARE 3 IS REAL TO ME DAMNIT!
 
2013-05-12 07:08:38 PM  

Karac: Not to mention that Benghazi is about 1000 miles from Israel and the rest of the Middle East. Were we supposed to have a carrier group standing by offshore of every embassy and consulate from Morocco to Afghanistan?


There is a difference between distance and being ready. If you are ready then the time factor can be halved. As I said above, I don't expect the military to be all up all of the time, that actually is cartoonish. However, there are times and places where being at a higher state of readiness is a really good idea. It's not like the date is going to sneak up on you. In addition, when Cairo started getting the way it got that day, hours before the first attack in Benghazi it's unconscionable that nobody appears to have thought about having people get in a higher readiness state than "Meh, SSDD".
 
2013-05-12 07:08:43 PM  

Radioactive Ass: hubiestubert: Well, he's right. Folks seem to think that their military is sitting in a room waiting to be unleashed like a video game. You have X amount of units, and they can respond immediately to any threat within their area of operations at a moment's notice. That we have everyone on alert, 24 hours a day, and that units are just waiting to be sent out, planes and helicopters gassed up and ready, and already armed with various payloads, and pilots just pick the plane or chopper that is right for the mission like it's some kind of game.

Sh*t ain't like that. And that we have folks on the Armed Services Committee without any working knowledge of how our military works, is damn frightening.

I'd just say that this comment by Gates:

"We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East - despite all the turmoil that's going on - with planes on strip alert, troops ready to deploy at a moment's notice. And so, getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible."

Is a problem. Let's just say it. It's September 11th, in the Middle East, with known turmoil going on, Why the hell wouldn't you have some forces in the area on standby in case something does happen and they are needed? The guys in the consulate wouldn't know that you didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable (or "Cartoonish") idea to assume that you had someone in charge who could think ahead enough to be prepared just in case.

If it had happened on, say, the 11th of February or whatever then I could understand it. You are correct, we don't usually have troops on hot standby 24\7 and haven't for a very long time (Cold war era). But to have to go to Norther Italy, Spain and Croatia for men and equipment (and even then they aren't on standby, on Sept. 11th) is a major screw up by someone.


Thank you for illustrating exactly the mental deficiency and willful and proud ignorance that our Congresscritters are displaying. It was a brave choice to make yourself the example, and I commend you for your selflessness...
 
2013-05-12 07:08:49 PM  

SamWaters: Did Obama find the Benghazi Killers yet?  He promised to find and arrest them. How hard can it be? He has pictures and everything.


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"And, again, I don't know where [Osama Bin Laden] is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him."
 
2013-05-12 07:09:04 PM  
Considering most Republicans have never served a day in our military this is no surprise. Fantasize is what chickenhawks do best.
 
2013-05-12 07:09:06 PM  

Kibbler: When Obama *does* take a calculated risk and carry out a successful surgical strike (killing bin Laden), he's taking credit not due him, and using it for political gain.

When he doesn't take an insane risk, he's deliberately throwing away American lives for political gain.


Yep.
 
2013-05-12 07:09:25 PM  

zappaisfrank: [fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net image 500x376]


It should be obvious that the Republican Party Line doesn't care about people, just grandstanding.
 
2013-05-12 07:10:27 PM  

Karac: Hicks asked for planes stationed in Italy to do a flyby and somehow scare the Libyans off like Native Americans scared by loud iron horses.


I still can't believe a diplomat would think something that stupid would be a good idea.
 
2013-05-12 07:10:56 PM  

Mister Peejay: zappaisfrank: [fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net image 500x376]

It should be obvious that the Republican Party Line doesn't care about people, just grandstanding. anything except power.


Fascists are like that.
 
2013-05-12 07:11:40 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Are any of those dates ones where a major attack as symbolic as 9/11 was done? It's no coincidence that the Benghazi attacks happened on that date.


I didn't say it was a coincidence.  Nor did I even  imply it, dick.

As for the dates, they are all very symbolic.  Look at one of the first things people do every time there is a mass murder/terrorist is look at other events on that date.  They look for symbolism.  All of those dates would be symbolic to an Islamic terrorist.  All of them.  And if something were attacked on the anniversary of the bombing of the USS Cole, it would be OBVIOUS to Monday Morning quarterbacks that of course an attack was going to happen on the day because DUH.

If you want troops stationed at the ready when an attack is more symbolic than not, you pretty much need them at the ready all the time.  Until someone attacks on a random day that isn't symbolic when the argument would be that it's OBVIOUS that they were going to attack when we lowered our alert level because DUH.
 
2013-05-12 07:11:50 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Karac: Hicks asked for planes stationed in Italy to do a flyby and somehow scare the Libyans off like Native Americans scared by loud iron horses.

I still can't believe a diplomat would think something that stupid would be a good idea.


What about a diplomat that never got a promotion?
 
2013-05-12 07:12:02 PM  

Karac: Hicks asked for planes stationed in Italy to do a flyby and somehow scare the Libyans off like Native Americans scared by loud iron horses. The military decided it was too far away to help, and a plane flying that low would most likely be shot at by surface to air missiles left over from Quadaffi and the civil war.


Hicks was an idiot however he didn't know that the planes were in Italy at that time. As I said, I would have assumed that there were some sort of preparedness on that particular date.
 
2013-05-12 07:14:41 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Karac: Not to mention that Benghazi is about 1000 miles from Israel and the rest of the Middle East. Were we supposed to have a carrier group standing by offshore of every embassy and consulate from Morocco to Afghanistan?

There is a difference between distance and being ready. If you are ready then the time factor can be halved. As I said above, I don't expect the military to be all up all of the time, that actually is cartoonish. However, there are times and places where being at a higher state of readiness is a really good idea. It's not like the date is going to sneak up on you. In addition, when Cairo started getting the way it got that day, hours before the first attack in Benghazi it's unconscionable that nobody appears to have thought about having people get in a higher readiness state than "Meh, SSDD".


Really?  'Cause you sure are acting like ITT.
 
2013-05-12 07:15:03 PM  

hubiestubert: Thank you for illustrating exactly the mental deficiency and willful and proud ignorance that our Congresscritters are displaying. It was a brave choice to make yourself the example, and I commend you for your selflessness...


Thanks for that bit of derpiness on your part. I hope that if your area ever holds a WTO conference that your police dept goes "Meh, so what" and does nothing to prepare for it. Lets see how that might work out for you.
 
2013-05-12 07:16:12 PM  

Radioactive Ass: That's above my pay grade, however I find it very hard to believe that if the US had asked that they wouldn't have had too much of a problem finding at least one place in the ME (maybe Turkey, it's fairly well centered in the region and is a NATO Ally) or even Southern Europe to sit for a day or two. Hell just two days ago the US put some forces on alert over what's going on in Libya right now. It's not like they can't do it, it's that they didn't think ahead and do it last Sept.


I suggest you look at a map some time, because Turkey is as far away from Libya as Italy is. But we have military bases in the UAE, maybe they could... damn, that map ruins everything!

It is a big farking planet, and unlike your hindsight psychic abilities, we can't actually predict in advance what day terrorists will attack on (would you have predicted 9/11 prior to 2001?).
 
2013-05-12 07:16:44 PM  

quatchi: That all noted, why is AfriCom still based in freaking Stuttgart, Germany?


I don't think we got that many advanced military bases in Africa.    The rights to land must be obtained, it needs to be secure, the facilities built, etc.  And truth be known resources are more easily obtained in Germany.  Sure people will have to be flown were needed, but that would still be true if it was actually based in Africa.  Africa is a big place and the base is unlikely to be put in an actual trouble spot.
 
2013-05-12 07:16:47 PM  

draa: Considering most Republicans have never served a day in our military this is no surprise. Fantasize is what chickenhawks do best.


Sadly, their one "war hero" has been playing along, to a certain extent.

abcnews.go.com
 
2013-05-12 07:17:35 PM  

max_pooper: Mrtraveler01: Karac: Hicks asked for planes stationed in Italy to do a flyby and somehow scare the Libyans off like Native Americans scared by loud iron horses.

I still can't believe a diplomat would think something that stupid would be a good idea.

What about a diplomat that never got a promotion?


I can see why he never got the promotion.
 
2013-05-12 07:17:46 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Karac: Hicks asked for planes stationed in Italy to do a flyby and somehow scare the Libyans off like Native Americans scared by loud iron horses.

I still can't believe a diplomat would think something that stupid would be a good idea.


Maverick made the guy drop his coffee when he buzzed the tower in Top Gun, so maybe the attackers would have dropped their mortars.
 
2013-05-12 07:18:02 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Wolf_Blitzer: Where exactly would you have them based? Its not like there are countries beating down our doors to get US troops stationed in their territory. And supposing we did have some sort of rapid-reaction force stationed within an hour of anywhere in the world we have people -because that's what it'd take - those troops would be just as much a target as the Benghazi consulate was. Remember USS Cole? Remember Khobar Towers? Unless you're planning on invading half the countries in the world just so we can station troops there to be the world's policeman, it is simply not feasible to have a base everywhere we might want it.

That's above my pay grade, however I find it very hard to believe that if the US had asked that they wouldn't have had too much of a problem finding at least one place in the ME (maybe Turkey, it's fairly well centered in the region and is a NATO Ally) or even Southern Europe to sit for a day or two. Hell just two days ago the US put some forces on alert over what's going on in Libya right now. It's not like they can't do it, it's that they didn't think ahead and do it last Sept.


Forces stationed in Turkey would've still been a thousand kilometers away, you know.
 
2013-05-12 07:18:20 PM  

Radioactive Ass: hubiestubert: Thank you for illustrating exactly the mental deficiency and willful and proud ignorance that our Congresscritters are displaying. It was a brave choice to make yourself the example, and I commend you for your selflessness...

Thanks for that bit of derpiness on your part. I hope that if your area ever holds a WTO conference that your police dept goes "Meh, so what" and does nothing to prepare for it. Lets see how that might work out for you.


WTO is a bit different from a terrorist attack. Might have something to do with a fixed date and a location.
 
2013-05-12 07:18:57 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Karac: Hicks asked for planes stationed in Italy to do a flyby and somehow scare the Libyans off like Native Americans scared by loud iron horses. The military decided it was too far away to help, and a plane flying that low would most likely be shot at by surface to air missiles left over from Quadaffi and the civil war.

Hicks was an idiot however he didn't know that the planes were in Italy at that time. As I said, I would have assumed that there were some sort of preparedness on that particular date.


Tell us, what deployments would have been necessary to have US forces on alert to deploy anywhere in the middle east within one hour on that day? How many planes, ships and troops deployed in what locations. Be specific about your solution to this problem that you believe to be so simple and obvious.
 
2013-05-12 07:18:59 PM  
Not to put too fine a point on it, but liberals often have a cartoonish impression of US military capability as well. In fact, the military is either an unbeatable juggernaut of instant death anywhere and anytime, or a bungling, incapable buffoonery at others, depending on the political circumstances under discussion.
 
2013-05-12 07:22:58 PM  

Halli: Radioactive Ass: hubiestubert: Thank you for illustrating exactly the mental deficiency and willful and proud ignorance that our Congresscritters are displaying. It was a brave choice to make yourself the example, and I commend you for your selflessness...

Thanks for that bit of derpiness on your part. I hope that if your area ever holds a WTO conference that your police dept goes "Meh, so what" and does nothing to prepare for it. Lets see how that might work out for you.

WTO is a bit different from a terrorist attack. Might have something to do with a fixed date and a location.



But, but, but... it was 9/11 you guys!  We should have known terrorists were going to attack the consulate in Libya on that day... because it was 9/11!  How do you not get that?
/amidoinitright
 
2013-05-12 07:23:43 PM  
So, Pickering & Gates have both called BS.  Ignorant RINO's, I'm sure.

More hearings and more whistle blowers on tap...  yasss, yasss (if any of you Farkers  `claim' any of the R's on the House Oversight Committee, drop him/her a line and demand that a running total of the cost, to the taxpayer, of the `investigations', including witness transport & misc., of the Oversight Committee hearings into (insert `B' word here) be posted to his/her official website and be updated daily (only real scandal that I can fathom is the cost of this circus).
 
2013-05-12 07:25:06 PM  

vygramul: Not to put too fine a point on it, but liberals often have a cartoonish impression of US military capability as well. In fact, the military is either an unbeatable juggernaut of instant death anywhere and anytime, or a bungling, incapable buffoonery at others, depending on the political circumstances under discussion.


1-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-05-12 07:25:30 PM  

StinkyFiddlewinks: Obvious tag gone AWOL like GWB?


GWB didn't just go AWOL, he was gone long enough to be classified as a deserter.
 
2013-05-12 07:26:41 PM  

Smidge204: "And, again, I don't know where [Osama Bin Laden] is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him."


Of course not. By then Bush had moved on to the more important problem of looking for the WMDs.
 
2013-05-12 07:26:52 PM  

Radioactive Ass: hubiestubert: Thank you for illustrating exactly the mental deficiency and willful and proud ignorance that our Congresscritters are displaying. It was a brave choice to make yourself the example, and I commend you for your selflessness...

Thanks for that bit of derpiness on your part. I hope that if your area ever holds a WTO conference that your police dept goes "Meh, so what" and does nothing to prepare for it. Lets see how that might work out for you.


I'm impressed by the conflation, and deflection at this point.

Please. Do go on. Were ALL embassies across the globe supposed to go on high alert, with air assets ready to buzz the tower? Was it just the ones where there might be some brown people, or the ones with a LOT of brown people near? What about those where there were dirty Commies? What about areas where ethnic cleansing had occurred? Was it just the ones where there were Muslim populations?  Please, break down who was supposed to be on high alert, with Special Forces teams ready to extract, and which bases should have been covering who, and how the Embassies were supposed to coordinate with the military, and visa versa, especially in the face of cuts to their security staff, and likewise, please show your work on how the Department of State supersedes the command structure of the Defense Department's personnel.
 
2013-05-12 07:30:13 PM  
That would explain the thought behind $2.8 billion dollars allocated for improved Abrams tanks... when we have two thousand mission-capable tanks (and thousands of other tracked vehicles like these 113-series) sitting unused in the Nevada desert:

www.tacomlcmccommunityreport.com

Somewhere deep in the minds of Republicans is a fantasy. In that fantasy, we are lining up divisions of tanks and storming across the fields, deserts, or woods in a major symmetrical conflict. When in reality, the future will consist of very small skirmishes in who-knows-what terrain.

The Abrams, great system that it is, has been all but useless in the more mountainous regions of Afghanistan. It would be no different in the Balkans, Alps, Himalayas, or Taebaeks. Nor is it useful in any kind of swampy marshland. And in urban settings - which are definitely the conflicts of the future - a platoon of tanks is nothing but collateral damage that can be used as enemy propaganda.
 
2013-05-12 07:31:06 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Radioactive Ass: That's above my pay grade, however I find it very hard to believe that if the US had asked that they wouldn't have had too much of a problem finding at least one place in the ME (maybe Turkey, it's fairly well centered in the region and is a NATO Ally) or even Southern Europe to sit for a day or two. Hell just two days ago the US put some forces on alert over what's going on in Libya right now. It's not like they can't do it, it's that they didn't think ahead and do it last Sept.

I suggest you look at a map some time, because Turkey is as far away from Libya as Italy is. But we have military bases in the UAE, maybe they could... damn, that map ruins everything!

It is a big farking planet, and unlike your hindsight psychic abilities, we can't actually predict in advance what day terrorists will attack on (would you have predicted 9/11 prior to 2001?).


Nostradamus did, why can't the US Military?

/ Need more defense spending ASAP
 
2013-05-12 07:33:10 PM  

BSABSVR: I didn't say it was a coincidence. Nor did I even imply it, dick.

As for the dates, they are all very symbolic. Look at one of the first things people do every time there is a mass murder/terrorist is look at other events on that date. They look for symbolism. All of those dates would be symbolic to an Islamic terrorist. All of them. And if something were attacked on the anniversary of the bombing of the USS Cole, it would be OBVIOUS to Monday Morning quarterbacks that of course an attack was going to happen on the day because DUH.

If you want troops stationed at the ready when an attack is more symbolic than not, you pretty much need them at the ready all the time. Until someone attacks on a random day that isn't symbolic when the argument would be that it's OBVIOUS that they were going to attack when we lowered our alert level because DUH.


Again. That particular date is one where one would expect trouble expressly directed at US targets abroad, moreso than any other date 9/11 tops the list. The Cole date (to use an example) is nowhere near being as symbolic as 9/11 in that regard.

glmorrs1: Really? 'Cause you sure are acting like ITT.


Yes really. I've been there and done that for 8 years. It's time consuming and a huge hassle which is why we stopped doing it when it was no longer needed. Now it might not have made a difference in this particular case if a few select units were on a better footing, however to apparently have nobody going through the motions just in case reeks of incompetence by someone.
 
2013-05-12 07:34:40 PM  
EnviroDude:  I, too have a cartoonish view of not only American military capability, but also of partisan politics, as well as the principles of sound debate

Indeed.

Indeed.
 
2013-05-12 07:39:54 PM  

vygramul: Not to put too fine a point on it, but liberals often have a cartoonish impression of US military capability as well. In fact, the military is either an unbeatable juggernaut of instant death anywhere and anytime, or a bungling, incapable buffoonery at others, depending on the political circumstances under discussion.


Because they know that 4 Special Forces troops stationed 500 miles from Benghazi probably can't get to the consulate (Black Hawk helicopter's top speed is less than 200mph) and be ready to put down an armed mob within an hour?

That's not incapable buffoonery. That's math.
 
2013-05-12 07:41:01 PM  
Subby realizes Hicks is a liberal Democrat, right?
 
2013-05-12 07:41:03 PM  

clkeagle: And in urban settings


Tanks are very effective in urban settings.
 
2013-05-12 07:41:20 PM  

Tymast: fusillade762: Radioactive Ass: Is a problem. Let's just say it. It's September 11th, in the Middle East, with known turmoil going on, Why the hell wouldn't you have some forces in the area on standby in case something does happen and they are needed? The guys in the consulate wouldn't know that you didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable (or "Cartoonish") idea to assume that you had someone in charge who could think ahead enough to be prepared just in case.

Budget cuts. And ask yourself who was responsible for those.

The democrats, if they had won enough seats the GOP would not have had the power to cut the budget.


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