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2013-05-12 03:32:13 PM  
Gates: 911, please send the fire department to my house - I see flames.
911: I´m sorry, they couldn´t possibly get there in time.
Gates: How do you know? Please, please.
911: You have a cartoonish view of fire department capability.


/ripped from RPool
 
2013-05-12 03:41:48 PM  

EnviroDude: Gates: 911, please send the fire department to my house - I see flames.
911: I´m sorry, they couldn´t possibly get there in time.
Gates: How do you know? Please, please.
911: You have a cartoonish view of fire department capability.

/ripped from RPool


Why would rip that? Other than to shreads, that is.
 
2013-05-12 03:53:46 PM  
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2013-05-12 03:54:26 PM  

EnviroDude: Gates: 911, please send the fire department to my house - I see flames.
911: I´m sorry, they couldn´t possibly get there in time.
Gates: How do you know? Please, please.
911: You have a cartoonish view of fire department capability.

/ripped from RPool


Well, if the nearest fire truck was 5 hours away then yeah, I'd agree that is a cartoonish view of the fire department's capabilities.
 
2013-05-12 04:51:29 PM  
I wondered how Acme got a defense contract.
 
2013-05-12 05:06:38 PM  
These are people who think 24 is a documentary. Shocker.
 
2013-05-12 05:08:09 PM  
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2013-05-12 05:16:56 PM  
Gates: Benghazi-obsessed Republicans have 'cartoonish' view of military capability reality.

Fixed that for everyone.
 
2013-05-12 05:24:35 PM  
So when is the GOP going to show the military how to teleport?
 
2013-05-12 05:29:09 PM  
Well, he's right. Folks seem to think that their military is sitting in a room waiting to be unleashed like a video game. You have X amount of units, and they can respond immediately to any threat within their area of operations at a moment's notice. That we have everyone on alert, 24 hours a day, and that units are just waiting to be sent out, planes and helicopters gassed up and ready, and already armed with various payloads, and pilots just pick the plane or chopper that is right for the mission like it's some kind of game.

Sh*t ain't like that. And that we have folks on the Armed Services Committee without any working knowledge of how our military works, is damn frightening.
 
2013-05-12 05:38:59 PM  
And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.
 
2013-05-12 05:40:06 PM  

hubiestubert: Well, he's right. Folks seem to think that their military is sitting in a room waiting to be unleashed like a video game. You have X amount of units, and they can respond immediately to any threat within their area of operations at a moment's notice. That we have everyone on alert, 24 hours a day, and that units are just waiting to be sent out, planes and helicopters gassed up and ready, and already armed with various payloads, and pilots just pick the plane or chopper that is right for the mission like it's some kind of game.

Sh*t ain't like that. And that we have folks on the Armed Services Committee without any working knowledge of how our military works, is damn frightening.


And most of the servicemen are just like Seal Team 6.
 
2013-05-12 05:49:36 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


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2013-05-12 05:53:37 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


I bet that you are a big Ted Nugent fan, aren't you, sunshine?

FAIL.
 
2013-05-12 05:59:17 PM  

hubiestubert: Well, he's right. Folks seem to think that their military is sitting in a room waiting to be unleashed like a video game. You have X amount of units, and they can respond immediately to any threat within their area of operations at a moment's notice. That we have everyone on alert, 24 hours a day, and that units are just waiting to be sent out, planes and helicopters gassed up and ready, and already armed with various payloads, and pilots just pick the plane or chopper that is right for the mission like it's some kind of game.

Sh*t ain't like that. And that we have folks on the Armed Services Committee without any working knowledge of how our military works, is damn frightening.


I wonder what the percentage of people on any congress committee have any working knowledge of anything other than how to win a reelection?
 
2013-05-12 06:00:12 PM  
In this thread: A lot of Fark Independents with cartoonish impressions of US military capability.
 
2013-05-12 06:09:50 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


I'll pass that along to George McGovern's ghost.
 
2013-05-12 06:12:39 PM  

EnviroDude: Gates: 911, please send the fire department to my house - I see flames.
911: I´m sorry, they couldn´t possibly get there in time.
Gates: How do you know? Please, please.
911: You have a cartoonish view of fire department capability.

/ripped from RPool


That's stupid and doesn't make sense. The person that came up with should feel bad and you should feel worse for cribbing it. Then again you're a troll so what's it matter?
 
2013-05-12 06:15:33 PM  
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2013-05-12 06:16:38 PM  
Shocked? Anything a Republican claims to believe must fit onto a bumper sticker. Nobody would have stoof for this even 30 years ago, but that's what you get when your "News Media" is taken over by those who cu their teeth selling fiction in Hollywood and on TV. Enjoy.
 
2013-05-12 06:17:03 PM  

EnviroDude: Gates: 911, please send the fire department to my house - I see flames.
911: I´m sorry, they couldn´t possibly get there in time.
Gates: How do you know? Please, please.
911: You have a cartoonish view of fire department capability.

/ripped from RPool


Do you also compare the US economy to a family budget?

Of course you do.
 
2013-05-12 06:17:43 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


and Popcorn Johnny is an idiot, so I guess reality is in everyone else's favor?
 
2013-05-12 06:18:12 PM  
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2013-05-12 06:18:36 PM  
Obvious tag gone AWOL like GWB?
 
2013-05-12 06:20:31 PM  

hubiestubert: Sh*t ain't like that. And that we have folks on the Armed Services Committee without any working knowledge of how our military works, is damn frightening.


Just like how we have Congressmen on various scientific committees with no understanding of basic science, or even outright disbelief of it (like climate change deniers or young Earth creationists).

Congressional committee assignments are NOT doled out with respect to the experience, understanding or skill of the congressman, but instead through seniority and favors.

That's part of what's broken with the whole goddamn system, the people making the rules have zero concept of what they're making rules about.  (Then again, the military itself has that problem to a lesser extent, judging from the number of officers I've dealt with who know jack and shiat about the business end of how their unit does their mission).
 
2013-05-12 06:20:50 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


Aren't you supposed to be out shooting illegal immigrants?
 
2013-05-12 06:20:59 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


Another lie Republicans spout to make themselves feel better.

Like, "Republicans are fiscally responsible," or "We're tough on terrorism," or "I'm not gay."
 
2013-05-12 06:21:01 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


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2013-05-12 06:21:16 PM  
Is Benghazi a cartoon yet?

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Everything's comin' up Milhouse.
 
2013-05-12 06:21:22 PM  
Considering these are many of the same folks who believe that a 2,000-year-old fairy tale is scientific and that The Flintstones is historically accurate, yea... I'm not surprised they don't know sh*t about how the military operates. I mean, I don't either, but I don't pretend to and then get all uppity when they do or do not do something in a way that contradicts my delusional view of the world.
 
2013-05-12 06:22:29 PM  

Silverstaff: Just like how we have Congressmen on various scientific committees with no understanding of basic science, or even outright disbelief of it (like climate change deniers or young Earth creationists).


Or like how Michele Bachmann is on the Intelligence Committee.
 
2013-05-12 06:22:52 PM  

hubiestubert: Sh*t ain't like that. And that we have folks on the Armed Services Committee without any working knowledge of how our military works, is damn frightening.


You should see the Intelligence Committee.
 
2013-05-12 06:23:33 PM  
I've been reading journal articles in preparation for a presentation on the topic of US global dominance, and I gotta say, yep. William Kristol Jr in particular seems to be surrounded by a cloud of people who believe the US military is like an episode of Whacky Racers, and if you can't simultaneously hold down a land war against all of China while shooting down nukes from two countries and do so without increasing military recruitment goals, then America is not ready and needs to spend more money on the Military. What's really strange is that the character and tone of the articles takes this really marked shift around 2009, when they go from talking about how the military needs to be stronger because otherwise how else will they continue distributing Freedom Bombs, and then to about how the US Military is under attack and needs protection from a culture of disarmament. It's really, really weird, and I know the joke is that Obama was inaugurated in 2009, but the shift in tone is like suddenly these guys noticed that there are anti-war protestors anywhere, or something.

That these people are now wondering why Navy Seals can't teleport thirty yards and stab a terrorist in the toe prompting an autokill does not surprise me.
 
2013-05-12 06:24:05 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Silverstaff: Just like how we have Congressmen on various scientific committees with no understanding of basic science, or even outright disbelief of it (like climate change deniers or young Earth creationists).

Or like how Michele Bachmann is on the Intelligence Committee.


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2013-05-12 06:30:39 PM  
Four special forces guys in God Mode could have totally spawned in and pwnd that mob.
 
2013-05-12 06:30:54 PM  

hubiestubert: Well, he's right. Folks seem to think that their military is sitting in a room waiting to be unleashed like a video game. You have X amount of units, and they can respond immediately to any threat within their area of operations at a moment's notice. That we have everyone on alert, 24 hours a day, and that units are just waiting to be sent out, planes and helicopters gassed up and ready, and already armed with various payloads, and pilots just pick the plane or chopper that is right for the mission like it's some kind of game.

Sh*t ain't like that. And that we have folks on the Armed Services Committee without any working knowledge of how our military works, is damn frightening.


I'd just say that this comment by Gates:

"We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East - despite all the turmoil that's going on - with planes on strip alert, troops ready to deploy at a moment's notice. And so, getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible."

Is a problem. Let's just say it. It's September 11th, in the Middle East, with known turmoil going on, Why the hell wouldn't you have some forces in the area on standby in case something does happen and they are needed? The guys in the consulate wouldn't know that you didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable (or "Cartoonish") idea to assume that you had someone in charge who could think ahead enough to be prepared just in case.

If it had happened on, say, the 11th of February or whatever then I could understand it. You are correct, we don't usually have troops on hot standby 24\7 and haven't for a very long time (Cold war era). But to have to go to Norther Italy, Spain and Croatia for men and equipment (and even then they aren't on standby, on Sept. 11th) is a major screw up by someone.
 
2013-05-12 06:33:45 PM  
When Obama *does* take a calculated risk and carry out a successful surgical strike (killing bin Laden), he's taking credit not due him, and using it for political gain.

When he doesn't take an insane risk, he's deliberately throwing away American lives for political gain.
 
2013-05-12 06:33:46 PM  

Radioactive Ass: hubiestubert: Well, he's right. Folks seem to think that their military is sitting in a room waiting to be unleashed like a video game. You have X amount of units, and they can respond immediately to any threat within their area of operations at a moment's notice. That we have everyone on alert, 24 hours a day, and that units are just waiting to be sent out, planes and helicopters gassed up and ready, and already armed with various payloads, and pilots just pick the plane or chopper that is right for the mission like it's some kind of game.

Sh*t ain't like that. And that we have folks on the Armed Services Committee without any working knowledge of how our military works, is damn frightening.

I'd just say that this comment by Gates:

"We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East - despite all the turmoil that's going on - with planes on strip alert, troops ready to deploy at a moment's notice. And so, getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible."

Is a problem. Let's just say it. It's September 11th, in the Middle East, with known turmoil going on, Why the hell wouldn't you have some forces in the area on standby in case something does happen and they are needed? The guys in the consulate wouldn't know that you didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable (or "Cartoonish") idea to assume that you had someone in charge who could think ahead enough to be prepared just in case.

If it had happened on, say, the 11th of February or whatever then I could understand it. You are correct, we don't usually have troops on hot standby 24\7 and haven't for a very long time (Cold war era). But to have to go to Norther Italy, Spain and Croatia for men and equipment (and even then they aren't on standby, on Sept. 11th) is a major screw up by someone.


Was it a problem last year on 9/11? The year before that? How about the year before that, year before that ,year before that, year before that, year before that, year before that, year before that,  and year before that ?

Did we need them? What the hell makes you think this year was going to be different?
 
2013-05-12 06:35:37 PM  
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2013-05-12 06:38:42 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Is a problem. Let's just say it. It's September 11th, in the Middle East, with known turmoil going on, Why the hell wouldn't you have some forces in the area on standby in case something does happen and they are needed? The guys in the consulate wouldn't know that you didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable (or "Cartoonish") idea to assume that you had someone in charge who could think ahead enough to be prepared just in case.


Budget cuts. And ask yourself who was responsible for those.
 
2013-05-12 06:38:46 PM  

Kome: Considering these are many of the same folks who believe that a 2,000-year-old fairy tale is scientific and that The Flintstones is historically accurate, yea... I'm not surprised they don't know sh*t about how the military operates. I mean, I don't either, but I don't pretend to and then get all uppity when they do or do not do something in a way that contradicts my delusional view of the world.


A large percentage of people who claim to be Democrats also believe that fairy tale and vice versa.  When are we going to start talking about that?  It's not "Guns and Religion" vs "Unions and Secularism", there is quite a lot of overlap.  We never talk about the things that truly separate the left from the right because it isn't that easy and it changes from topic to topic.  I bet if we did, it would probably really scare the crap out of those in charge.  United We Stand...
 
2013-05-12 06:40:14 PM  

fusillade762: Radioactive Ass: Is a problem. Let's just say it. It's September 11th, in the Middle East, with known turmoil going on, Why the hell wouldn't you have some forces in the area on standby in case something does happen and they are needed? The guys in the consulate wouldn't know that you didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable (or "Cartoonish") idea to assume that you had someone in charge who could think ahead enough to be prepared just in case.

Budget cuts. And ask yourself who was responsible for those.


The democrats, if they had won enough seats the GOP would not have had the power to cut the budget.
 
2013-05-12 06:41:10 PM  

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Thank you.
 
2013-05-12 06:44:09 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.


You shut your whore mouth, chickenhawk.
 
2013-05-12 06:45:33 PM  

ghare: Was it a problem last year on 9/11? The year before that? How about the year before that, year before that ,year before that, year before that, year before that, year before that, year before that, and year before that ?

Did we need them? What the hell makes you think this year was going to be different?


Like we said in the Navy, Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. That's what this sounds like to me, a lack of prior planning. We did and had a lot of things that never got used for real life problems, that doesn't mean that it was a bad idea to do them. I've shot somewhere around 60 exercise torpedoes and countless waterslugs yet never shot a warshot at anyone in anger (nobody in the USN has in a very long time). Therefore the Navy should stop carrying torpedoes on their submarines.

The job of the military is to be ready in the event of something happening and then figuring out where those things are most likely to happen. Is Northern Italy a current hot spot or is the Middle East, especially on that date, the best place to have men and equipment available?
 
2013-05-12 06:47:41 PM  

fusillade762: Budget cuts. And ask yourself who was responsible for those.


The men get paid the same no matter where they are. Budget cuts aren't going to change that. Nice try though.
 
2013-05-12 06:48:03 PM  

Radioactive Ass: I'd just say that this comment by Gates:

"We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East - despite all the turmoil that's going on - with planes on strip alert, troops ready to deploy at a moment's notice. And so, getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible."

Is a problem. Let's just say it. It's September 11th, in the Middle East, with known turmoil going on, Why the hell wouldn't you have some forces in the area on standby in case something does happen and they are needed? The guys in the consulate wouldn't know that you didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable (or "Cartoonish") idea to assume that you had someone in charge who could think ahead enough to be prepared just in case.

If it had happened on, say, the 11th of February or whatever then I could understand it. You are correct, we don't usually have troops on hot standby 24\7 and haven't for a very long time (Cold war era). But to have to go to Norther Italy, Spain and Croatia for men and equipment (and even then they aren't on standby, on Sept. 11th) is a major screw up by someone.


Where exactly would you have them based? Its not like there are countries beating down our doors to get US troops stationed in their territory. And supposing we did have some sort of rapid-reaction force stationed within an hour of anywhere in the world we have people -because that's what it'd take - those troops would be just as much a target as the Benghazi consulate was. Remember USS Cole? Remember Khobar Towers? Unless you're planning on invading half the countries in the world just so we can station troops there to be the world's policeman, it is simply not feasible to have a base everywhere we might want it.
 
2013-05-12 06:48:30 PM  

Radioactive Ass: hubiestubert: Well, he's right. Folks seem to think that their military is sitting in a room waiting to be unleashed like a video game. You have X amount of units, and they can respond immediately to any threat within their area of operations at a moment's notice. That we have everyone on alert, 24 hours a day, and that units are just waiting to be sent out, planes and helicopters gassed up and ready, and already armed with various payloads, and pilots just pick the plane or chopper that is right for the mission like it's some kind of game.

Sh*t ain't like that. And that we have folks on the Armed Services Committee without any working knowledge of how our military works, is damn frightening.

I'd just say that this comment by Gates:

"We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East - despite all the turmoil that's going on - with planes on strip alert, troops ready to deploy at a moment's notice. And so, getting somebody there in a timely way would have been very difficult, if not impossible."

Is a problem. Let's just say it. It's September 11th, in the Middle East, with known turmoil going on, Why the hell wouldn't you have some forces in the area on standby in case something does happen and they are needed? The guys in the consulate wouldn't know that you didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable (or "Cartoonish") idea to assume that you had someone in charge who could think ahead enough to be prepared just in case.

If it had happened on, say, the 11th of February or whatever then I could understand it. You are correct, we don't usually have troops on hot standby 24\7 and haven't for a very long time (Cold war era). But to have to go to Norther Italy, Spain and Croatia for men and equipment (and even then they aren't on standby, on Sept. 11th) is a major screw up by someone.


Well, if we are going to schlep troops back and forth randomly based on days that may or may not be symbolic to Islamic militants, then we need to have troops on hot standby on:

January 1st
February 26th
April  18th
June 14th
June 25th
July 4th
August 7th
September 5th
September 11th
October 12th
November 17th
December 25th
The start of Ramadan
The end of Ramadan
Eid Al-Fitr
Eid Al-Adha
The start of Hanukkah
the end of Hannukah
And every other major Jewish holiday
Etc.
 
2013-05-12 06:50:48 PM  

Rincewind53: Popcorn Johnny: And democrats are cowards so I guess it all evens out.

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2013-05-12 06:53:09 PM  

Rincewind53: In this thread: A lot of Fark Independents with cartoonish impressions of US military capahillbillity.

 
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