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2013-05-12 11:10:54 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: He's guilty of libel so the little shiat is lucky he's getting off with a suspension.


Then she should sue him because that's a civil tort.

Now, she's used her position to inappropriately exact revenge upon him so she gets to write the check instead of him.

Slaxl: What she should have done is taken him into her office and said, "what that is, is libel, do you know what that is? It's very serious, you could go to jail over it, so delete it, and replace it with an apology that sets everything straight and we'll go about our day".


You want her to lie to him?  He can't go to jail for libel.

She can, however, lose her job for suspending him.
 
2013-05-12 11:10:57 PM  
My mug shot isn't online; shows how boring the charge was.
 
2013-05-12 11:16:35 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: gibbon1: doglover: It SHOULD be illegal to post mugshots of people who were not convicted.
 
In general the police shouldn't release mugshots at all unless there is an overriding reason.  When it's done to shame' people that's an issue because it's not the cops job to met out punishment, that's the judges job.

Then change the law.  Booking photos, just like everything else the public safety field does, is subject to public scrutiny.  You can walk into your local police department and ask to see their policy manual, and by law, they're required to show you.  If not, you can fill out a FOIA request and they'll be compelled to show you.

It's no different with booking photos.  They're public record.  Very rarely do the police release them with press releases.  90% of the time they're released due to a FOIA request by a news agency.

You can't fault them for complying with the law.

Though some Farkers will.


This sounds very much like "we were following order". Not really a valid argument
 
2013-05-12 11:20:40 PM  
JustGetItRight:He can't go to jail for libel.

This happens to be true here, because they're in Georgia, but is not true on the 17 states with criminal libel laws.
 
2013-05-12 11:22:56 PM  
Kid could be a little smarter.  Make another instragram account, fill it with random photos that don't relate to you, then put up the instagram photo of the principal and start passing it around.  Even if you're 100% right, she'll nail your ass next time she catches you without a hall pass or the like.

Or just make a random email account and spam the photo to all the email addresses you know, complete with your commentary.  Let rumor control do the work for you when you expose someone.

/kid should get a creative lawyer and try to claim the suspension violates some kind of whistleblower act
 
2013-05-12 11:24:19 PM  

Tom_Slick: namatad: Can someone explain to me how you are arrested and processed (mug shot) for "She had been arrested for missing a court appearance that merely concerned a speeding ticket. "?

The whole story probably is, that she got pulled over with a failure to appear warrant for not paying her speeding ticket. so they took her in. If you forget to pay a speeding ticket and go to the court to rectify it you do not get arrested, if you ignore it you get arrested.


just sayin: in ohio, if you don't pay, they yank your drivers license (which allows additional fines and fees later)
 
2013-05-12 11:33:07 PM  

paulseta: Pricipal . Caught sayof school that has stoped Handstandsing " See, told ya so" Is He dead or not. CNN Says yes. St. Pete Times Looking for chads -OR- "hello, I am write single to salute and wait for answer again"


Call 911, you're having a stroke.
 
2013-05-12 11:44:12 PM  
My alma mater!
 
2013-05-12 11:51:24 PM  

paulseta: Pricipal . Caught sayof school that has stoped Handstandsing " See, told ya so" Is He dead or not. CNN Says yes. St. Pete Times Looking for chads -OR- "hello, I am write single to salute and wait for answer again"


One of us is having a seizure   As I can read what I'm typing, I think it's you.
 
2013-05-13 12:01:14 AM  

ReverendJynxed: paulseta: Pricipal . Caught sayof school that has stoped Handstandsing " See, told ya so" Is He dead or not. CNN Says yes. St. Pete Times Looking for chads -OR- "hello, I am write single to salute and wait for answer again"

Call 911 000 , you're having a stroke.


FTFM, sorry I probably killed you.
 
2013-05-13 12:04:22 AM  

ReverendJynxed: paulseta: Pricipal . Caught sayof school that has stoped Handstandsing " See, told ya so" Is He dead or not. CNN Says yes. St. Pete Times Looking for chads -OR- "hello, I am write single to salute and wait for answer again"

Call 911, you're having a stroke.


Kahabut: paulseta: Pricipal . Caught sayof school that has stoped Handstandsing " See, told ya so" Is He dead or not. CNN Says yes. St. Pete Times Looking for chads -OR- "hello, I am write single to salute and wait for answer again"

One of us is having a seizure   As I can read what I'm typing, I think it's you.


paulseta is quoting a well known fark meme that's been around since 2005.
 
2013-05-13 12:40:45 AM  

Theaetetus: JustGetItRight:He can't go to jail for libel.

This happens to be true here, because they're in Georgia, but is not true on the 17 states with criminal libel laws.


Criminal charges for making defamatory statements virtually never happen in the modern US, although as noted a few states have old criminal libel laws on the books.  States have some funny old laws on the books that are never used. Criminal libel is a rotten concept akin to laws that empower governments to jail dissidents for treason-like crimes (see for example crime of sedition in Imperial Rome as described by Tacitus).  Credit to Officer Friendly in this story for refusing the principal's request to arrest the speaker little punk.

Second, all the farkers who said opinions are not actionable, that libelous statements must be assertions of fact, are correct. There are no magic words like "I think" that automatically transform an opinion into a factual claim, but a disclaimer along the lines of "I am aware of a rumour along these lines but I do not vouch for the truth of said rumor, which may be as false as your Mom's teeth for all I know" will go a long way to proofing an outrageous statement against a libel charge in common law countries.  Court must look at the entire context to decide if it is a factual claim.

Third, 4ts has sued school boards on behalf of teens who got farked by an overzealous administrator. There's a state law that controls for what they may punish you. You have a right to a hearing (due process) and typically appeal to the school board as a whole. Then you can sue. So here (and now I am guessing), the student handbook did not say "you may not speak ill of the faculty or administrators." The school cannot punish him for that. So, evidently, they are claiming he disrupted school events or whatever they can find in the student handbook that fits what he did.
 
2013-05-13 12:46:17 AM  

4tehsnowflakes: There are no magic words like "I think" that automatically transform a factual claim

into an opinion

FTFM?
 
2013-05-13 01:10:55 AM  
Back when my brother was a senior in high school (1970), he noticed that the big events sign out front of the high school, a gift from the previous senior class was never lit up.  Out of curiosity, he checked it out and found it had nver been wired to the building.  The electrical wires stopped two feet from the base of the sign.

Just after that, he saw the faculty advisor of that class in the halls and asked him about it.  The guy went ballistic and started calling my brother a troublemaker and told him he'd be sorry if he said another word about it.  A day or so later, my brother got called down to  Vice-principal Ettinger's office and told the same thing.

This of course, got my brother even more curious and he took it a step farther and wrote a letter to the editor of the city's paper, detailing all this, and he told a few friends he had done so.  Well, the friends blabbed and it got back to Ettinger.  He called my brother down to the office and told him he'd be expelled if the paper printed the letter.  My brother went home and told Dad, who told him not to worry.  If he got expelled, Dad would get his attorney to file suit the very day.

As it turned out, the letter to the editor never got published, likely the school called friends at the paper and killed it.
 
2013-05-13 01:23:28 AM  

Aulus: Back when ...
As it turned out, the letter to the editor never got published, likely the school called friends at the paper and killed it.


CS,B?  I don't know for sure, but some might speculate whether the money intended for the wiring was stolen.  A reckless person might even entertain the notion that Ettinger himself could have been involved.
 
2013-05-13 01:42:47 AM  
Actually, my brother suspected the faculty advisor, the school's art teacher,  had pocketed the money.  He, the art teacher, had gone way too apeshiat  right off the bat, which lead my brother to suspect him.

Ettinger, OTOH, was just a petty tyrant.  I had him as a teacher for 9th grade civics six years before and he was a total asshole back then.
 
2013-05-13 02:48:25 AM  

Aulus: Actually, my brother suspected the faculty advisor, the school's art teacher,  had pocketed the money.  He, the art teacher, had gone way too apeshiat  right off the bat, which lead my brother to suspect him.

Ettinger, OTOH, was just a petty tyrant.  I had him as a teacher for 9th grade civics six years before and he was a total asshole back then.


Many public schools are now having campaigns against bullying, arguably a worthy goal as the precious 'flakes can be very mean to each other, but it allows administrators an excuse to extend control over student speech.  Before the intertubes, the power of the schools to impose punishment for expressive acts like dress or speech mostly started and ended with on-campus acts.  But now the schools are trying to police off-campus speech by students more, sometimes imposing disciplinary action on the theory that what students say online affects what happens at school.  And it is hard to deny that FB or tumbleweed or whatever these young 'uns use is on campus with them.

//long as they stay off my got-damn lawn
 
2013-05-13 08:06:34 AM  
Mugshots are public domain and can be found by anyone.
The principle should be fired for being a dumba@@.
 
2013-05-13 08:15:12 AM  

rattchett: Popcorn Johnny: He's guilty of libel so the little shiat is lucky he's getting off with a suspension.

When was he found guilty of libel?  Or do you mean you think he has libeled the principal?  Kind of like the student said he thinks the principal was arrested for DUI.


Aaaaand we're done here.
 
2013-05-13 08:57:47 AM  

stuffy: The cover up is almost always worse than the crime.


YEP.

I would have been on the principal's side if she hadn't gone full retard and turned a molehill into a farking mountain. "A kid pointed out that I have shown poor judgment in the past! Time to show him the true meaning of 'failing to consider consequences!'"
 
2013-05-13 11:42:41 AM  
The words "I think" pretty much rules out libel.
 
2013-05-13 12:37:23 PM  

thamike: Kimothy: Besides, this administrator is clearly a bully and an imbecile who doesn't understand student rights.

Or traffic signs. Or court dates.


A long, long time ago I once had to appear in traffic court. Honestly I don't even remember why. I think I forgot to pay a fine or something and ended up getting a summons. Anyways, I was young and extremely nervous. On the appointed day I dressed in reasonably nice (but not too nice) clothes and showed up at the courthouse a good hour early. I found the posted list of cases and... I wasn't on it! I looked at the summons paper thingy I had with me and it turns out my court date had been one week earlier. I have no idea how I screwed that up. Oddly, nothing came of it. I never got another piece of mail about it and nothing ever appeared on my record. Weird.

In this case, the student did do something wrong. Calling the cops does not seem completely unreasonable, although I'm not sure that the cops have any power to do anything in a libel-type scenario.
 
2013-05-13 05:33:32 PM  

Jument: In this case, the student did do something wrong. Calling the cops does not seem completely unreasonable, although I'm not sure that the cops have any power to do anything in a libel-type scenario.


They don't.  And she would probably lose a civil suit as well at this point.
 
2013-05-13 05:35:11 PM  

computerguyUT: Mugshots are public domain and can be found by anyone.
The principle should be fired for being a dumba@@.


Are you kidding? Dumbasses get promoted to Supernintendo.
 
2013-05-13 06:09:48 PM  

halB: HideAndGoFarkYourself: gibbon1: doglover: It SHOULD be illegal to post mugshots of people who were not convicted.
 
In general the police shouldn't release mugshots at all unless there is an overriding reason.  When it's done to shame' people that's an issue because it's not the cops job to met out punishment, that's the judges job.

Then change the law.  Booking photos, just like everything else the public safety field does, is subject to public scrutiny.  You can walk into your local police department and ask to see their policy manual, and by law, they're required to show you.  If not, you can fill out a FOIA request and they'll be compelled to show you.

It's no different with booking photos.  They're public record.  Very rarely do the police release them with press releases.  90% of the time they're released due to a FOIA request by a news agency.

You can't fault them for complying with the law.

Though some Farkers will.


FOIA = Only applies to Federal government.

Public records laws are passed at the state level, and vary from state to state.

I love it when idiots spew on like they know the law.  You don't.


I love it when people use useless trivia to try to feel superior to others. Like you.
 
2013-05-13 10:36:22 PM  
I had a principal who would have handled that so differently. She would have said "Actually, yes, that is me, but it wasn't an arrest for DUI. It was an arrest for..." and then proceeded to explain the situation, how old she was, the consequences, and "yes, it really was awful, but it did make me a stronger person. That's why when you guys make mistakes, I try to be as understanding as I can, because I was young once myself and our mistakes can help make us better people just as much as the things we get right." And then she would hang the mugshot in her office for all to see, inspiring us all.

She'd probably also help the student make an Inspirational Facebook Meme incorporating the mugshot, a current picture of her with students and some cheer-up text about how sometimes the worst day of your life can actually be something that helps inspire you to help others. If it made the news at all, which is unlikely except in the event of an extremely slow news day, the press would be positive and the community would respect her all the more for having the integrity to own up to the mug shot. That, and some of the stone thug types who inexplicably loved Mrs. D and defended her to other schools would actually respect her considerably more.

Of course, in said principal's case, the mugshot would likely be from her well-known and rather admired past as a civil rights and environment protestor, where we all knew she'd been arrested while demonstrating non-violently for beliefs we, some 30 years later, considered perfectly reasonable. She had a lovely way of letting the punishment fit the crime, where kids who were legitimately protesting a school policy they felt as unfair were sentenced to write an essay detailing their views for the Debate Team to argue and kids who were actually being nasty to one another got actual punishments.
 
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