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2013-05-12 03:37:55 PM
If hot teachers can be fired for having bikini pics found by students, dumb Principals should also be fired for having mugshots.
 
2013-05-12 04:05:20 PM

FirstNationalBastard: If hot teachers can be fired for having bikini pics found by students, dumb Principals should also be fired for having mugshots.


I don't support firing teachers for having a private life, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You are absolutely correct - administrators should be held to an even higher standard than teachers.

Besides, this administrator is clearly a bully and an imbecile who doesn't understand student rights.
 
2013-05-12 04:21:16 PM
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2013-05-12 04:23:44 PM

Kimothy: FirstNationalBastard: If hot teachers can be fired for having bikini pics found by students, dumb Principals should also be fired for having mugshots.

I don't support firing teachers for having a private life, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You are absolutely correct - administrators should be held to an even higher standard than teachers.

Besides, this administrator is clearly a bully and an imbecile who doesn't understand student rights.


This
 
2013-05-12 05:35:20 PM
I thought that Keandre Varner is a child rapist and has been known to eat babies.
This isn't libel because I am only thinking it. I am not saying that he is. But I think it would explain a lot.

/lol

Can someone explain to me how you are arrested and processed (mug shot) for "She had been arrested for missing a court appearance that merely concerned a speeding ticket. "?

nothing personal, but a society which arrests you for that needs to be burned to the ground and start all over.
 
2013-05-12 05:43:19 PM
He's guilty of libel so the little shiat is lucky he's getting off with a suspension.
 
2013-05-12 05:44:24 PM
As stupid as the administrator seems to be, the kid did claim she had been arrested for DUI when she was not. Obviously, he can not be arrested for it, but do libel laws apply to internet posting?
 
2013-05-12 05:49:33 PM

insano: As stupid as the administrator seems to be, the kid did claim she had been arrested for DUI when she was not. Obviously, he can not be arrested for it, but do libel laws apply to internet posting?


Popcorn Johnny: He's guilty of libel so the little shiat is lucky he's getting off with a suspension.


It depends on how it was phrased: Here's a mugshot of the principal after getting arrested for a DUI vs. Here's a mugshot of the principal, I think she'd been arrested for DUI.  One is likely libel, one is just stating an opinion.
 
2013-05-12 05:57:52 PM

insano: As stupid as the administrator seems to be, the kid did claim she had been arrested for DUI when she was not. Obviously, he can not be arrested for it, but do libel laws apply to internet posting?


of course they do
but
he is probably underage and in the end, what is the penalty for writing that your principal is a drunk?
LOL
 
2013-05-12 06:03:50 PM
It SHOULD be illegal to post mugshots of people who were not convicted.

The police are VERY fallible. They are not only not good at catching people, but they're very good at inflating charges. So when they drag you in for a mugshot, chances are you're probably not guilty of what you're there for, and so it should be illegal to have such a photo or display it publicly.
 
2013-05-12 06:12:23 PM

doglover: It SHOULD be illegal to post mugshots of people who were not convicted.

The police are VERY fallible. They are not only not good at catching people, but they're very good at inflating charges. So when they drag you in for a mugshot, chances are you're probably not guilty of what you're there for, and so it should be illegal to have such a photo or display it publicly.


walks of shame
releasing the names of arrested people
releasing why they were arrested
etc etc etc
 
2013-05-12 06:14:21 PM

Popcorn Johnny: He's guilty of libel so the little shiat is lucky he's getting off with a suspension.


When was he found guilty of libel?  Or do you mean you think he has libeled the principal?  Kind of like the student said he thinks the principal was arrested for DUI.
 
2013-05-12 06:14:46 PM

Kimothy: Besides, this administrator is clearly a bully and an imbecile who doesn't understand student rights.


Or traffic signs. Or court dates.
 
2013-05-12 06:15:53 PM
The comments on that article are ... wow.

God bless the Internet, where bigots no longer need to worry about shame.
 
2013-05-12 06:16:27 PM
Eh.. The student posted he she was arrested for DUI.. That's a hell of an accusation to make.. Especially since it wasn't true. Lesson learned for assuming..
 
2013-05-12 06:17:54 PM

timujin: insano: As stupid as the administrator seems to be, the kid did claim she had been arrested for DUI when she was not. Obviously, he can not be arrested for it, but do libel laws apply to internet posting?

Popcorn Johnny: He's guilty of libel so the little shiat is lucky he's getting off with a suspension.

It depends on how it was phrased: Here's a mugshot of the principal after getting arrested for a DUI vs. Here's a mugshot of the principal, I think she'd been arrested for DUI.  One is likely libel, one is just stating an opinion.


It's a guess, not an opinion.
 
2013-05-12 06:17:54 PM
I submitted this three days ago, late to the party submitter.

"Post your principal's mugshot on Instagram, that's a suspension"
 
2013-05-12 06:18:55 PM
The login name explains it all.
 
2013-05-12 06:20:28 PM

Hoopy Frood: timujin: insano: As stupid as the administrator seems to be, the kid did claim she had been arrested for DUI when she was not. Obviously, he can not be arrested for it, but do libel laws apply to internet posting?

Popcorn Johnny: He's guilty of libel so the little shiat is lucky he's getting off with a suspension.

It depends on how it was phrased: Here's a mugshot of the principal after getting arrested for a DUI vs. Here's a mugshot of the principal, I think she'd been arrested for DUI.  One is likely libel, one is just stating an opinion.

It's a guess, not an opinion.


Regardless, it's not stating that it's a fact.
 
2013-05-12 06:21:03 PM

optimistic_cynic: Kimothy: FirstNationalBastard: If hot teachers can be fired for having bikini pics found by students, dumb Principals should also be fired for having mugshots.

I don't support firing teachers for having a private life, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You are absolutely correct - administrators should be held to an even higher standard than teachers.

Besides, this administrator is clearly a bully and an imbecile who doesn't understand student rights.

This


I was told when I was in high school that students had no rights.  They even took the stall doors off in our bathrooms so if you popped a squat everyone could see.
 
2013-05-12 06:21:23 PM
No sooner does one odd controversy erupt in our teen education centers than another appears like a tardy bus.

No you didn't
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-12 06:21:29 PM
timujin: It depends on how it was phrased: Here's a mugshot of the principal after getting arrested for a DUI vs. Here's a mugshot of the principal, I think she'd been arrested for DUI. One is likely libel, one is just stating an opinion.

"in the United States, first, the person must prove that the statement was false. Second, the person must prove that the statement caused harm. Third, the person must prove that the statement was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement."

So, if she actually got arrested for a DUI, no case.
 
2013-05-12 06:21:47 PM

namatad: Can someone explain to me how you are arrested and processed (mug shot) for "She had been arrested for missing a court appearance that merely concerned a speeding ticket. "?


The whole story probably is, that she got pulled over with a failure to appear warrant for not paying her speeding ticket. so they took her in. If you forget to pay a speeding ticket and go to the court to rectify it you do not get arrested, if you ignore it you get arrested.
 
2013-05-12 06:21:59 PM
Apparently "Creating an Alt" isn't required learning in high school these days.
 
2013-05-12 06:22:45 PM
She should have bullied this student in an all-school assembly.
 
2013-05-12 06:22:48 PM
Everyone, including the writer, is a farkwit in this story.
 
2013-05-12 06:23:01 PM
Abuse of power, if she has a problem she can go through the courts but not using her own power over a person.
 
2013-05-12 06:23:23 PM
FTA:  "This is the Internet age. You're supposed to spread misinformation."

Many people today believe this.  The world is slowly turning into one big neighborhood full of gossiping housewives spreading idiotic rumors.
 
2013-05-12 06:23:34 PM

timujin: insano: As stupid as the administrator seems to be, the kid did claim she had been arrested for DUI when she was not. Obviously, he can not be arrested for it, but do libel laws apply to internet posting?

Popcorn Johnny: He's guilty of libel so the little shiat is lucky he's getting off with a suspension.

It depends on how it was phrased: Here's a mugshot of the principal after getting arrested for a DUI vs. Here's a mugshot of the principal, I think she'd been arrested for DUI.  One is likely libel, one is just stating an opinion.


I'm not saying that the principal got arrested for a DUI, I'm just asking questions.
 
2013-05-12 06:25:27 PM

lordargent: timujin: It depends on how it was phrased: Here's a mugshot of the principal after getting arrested for a DUI vs. Here's a mugshot of the principal, I think she'd been arrested for DUI. One is likely libel, one is just stating an opinion.

"in the United States, first, the person must prove that the statement was false. Second, the person must prove that the statement caused harm. Third, the person must prove that the statement was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement."

So, if she actually got arrested for a DUI, no case.


But she didn't, so is there a case?
 
2013-05-12 06:26:18 PM

shoegaze99: The comments on that article are ... wow.

God bless the Internet, where bigots no longer need to worry about shame.


Hell, bigots can even be bronies and furries on the internet.
 
2013-05-12 06:26:18 PM
Mugshots and arrest records are public documents.
Sounds like Anonymous could have a field day with this one.
 
2013-05-12 06:27:21 PM
Meh. I was 100% in the student's camp until this:

Varner chose to add that he thought she'd been arrested for a DUI. This turned out not to have been the case.

Could have been libel if he'd worded his suspicions poorly, but at the very least he's initiating unfounded rumors. I can see why people might be pissed at him.
 
2013-05-12 06:27:47 PM

Tom_Slick: namatad: Can someone explain to me how you are arrested and processed (mug shot) for "She had been arrested for missing a court appearance that merely concerned a speeding ticket. "?

The whole story probably is, that she got pulled over with a failure to appear warrant for not paying her speeding ticket. so they took her in. If you forget to pay a speeding ticket and go to the court to rectify it you do not get arrested, if you ignore it you get arrested.


really?
cause the world I live in, they just keep sending you notices of a rescheduled court date. Hell, for my actual DUI I got 2-3 notices before I went and took care of it.
Of course that was 1985 aka the dark ages. I still cant imagine that a city would waste that amount of resources on a moving violation.
Dont they have real crimes they should be working on? like missing donuts?
 
2013-05-12 06:27:59 PM
Something tells me this principal is about to be introduced to the Streisand Effect.
 
2013-05-12 06:29:45 PM

FirstNationalBastard: If hot teachers can be fired for having bikini pics found by students, dumb Principals should also be fired for having mugshots.


One is usually voluntary, the other is usually not. Also, unless the arrest itself is somehow against school policy (for instance, if she'd had a felony conviction that she did not report before hiring and they specifically asked about such), then no; her criminal record would already have been known by the school system.
 
2013-05-12 06:30:20 PM
I think she was arrested for prostitution
 
2013-05-12 06:31:54 PM

lordargent: I submitted this three days ago, late to the party submitter.

"Post your principal's mugshot on Instagram, that's a suspension"


Yeah but you aren't TotalFark.   So you see, your headline was taken, modified and another link was found to steal your glory.   That's the the Farkin way.
 
2013-05-12 06:32:43 PM

God--: I think she was arrested for prostitution


Ewwwww....someone would actually pay for that?
 
2013-05-12 06:32:49 PM
This is why I will never have kids.  The second they find my mugshot with a simple search, my authority is instantly and forever undermined.  Nothing else I have ever done would matter.
 
2013-05-12 06:32:50 PM
It seems that your average school official is like the Queen of Hearts screaming "off with his/her head!", except it is "Suspension!"

Why, why do such totally brain-dead morons wind up with that job?

Don't they even stop to think that their actions are inviting ridicule by those who actually have a modicum of critical thinking skills?
 
2013-05-12 06:34:20 PM

timujin: But she didn't, so is there a case?


yes there is a case - but
http://www.mscode.com/free/statutes/97/003/0055.htm
(random state, assuming that most states are similar)
'Any person who shall be convicted of writing or publishing any libel, shall be fined in such sum or imprisoned in the county jail for such term as the court, in its discretion, may adjudge, having regard to the nature and enormity of the offense, or be punished by both such fine and imprisonment. "

If she lost a multimillion dollar contract and suffer huge uproar nationally, which led to death threats, he might be in trouble.
If the school district fired her, she would probably have cause against them for wrongful termination. And the loss of income might be part of the libel suit against him.
But a rational judge would look at this and laugh. Find the kid guilty, couple hours of community service and a public apology.

but jail or prison? LOL no
and punitive damages? LOL no
compensatory? LOL not unless she gets fired and even then, he is a kid

He would have to be charged and tried as an adult for this to even begin to get traction.
Juvie court would just laugh at her.
 
2013-05-12 06:35:01 PM

ArcadianRefugee: FirstNationalBastard: If hot teachers can be fired for having bikini pics found by students, dumb Principals should also be fired for having mugshots.

One is usually voluntary, the other is usually not. Also, unless the arrest itself is somehow against school policy (for instance, if she'd had a felony conviction that she did not report before hiring and they specifically asked about such), then no; her criminal record would already have been known by the school system.


having someone snap a bikini pic while on summer vacation and having someone publish it against your will isn't really "voluntary"
 
2013-05-12 06:35:16 PM
Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, get promoted to principal.
 
2013-05-12 06:35:19 PM

namatad: Tom_Slick: namatad: Can someone explain to me how you are arrested and processed (mug shot) for "She had been arrested for missing a court appearance that merely concerned a speeding ticket. "?

The whole story probably is, that she got pulled over with a failure to appear warrant for not paying her speeding ticket. so they took her in. If you forget to pay a speeding ticket and go to the court to rectify it you do not get arrested, if you ignore it you get arrested.

really?
cause the world I live in, they just keep sending you notices of a rescheduled court date. Hell, for my actual DUI I got 2-3 notices before I went and took care of it.
Of course that was 1985 aka the dark ages. I still cant imagine that a city would waste that amount of resources on a moving violation.
Dont they have real crimes they should be working on? like missing donuts?


In Georgia it depends on the jurisdiction, the court can suspend your license, issue an failure to appear warrant, or reschedule the court date.  Small towns that thrive on ticket revenue tend be the hard ass warrant issuing type.

/A friend didn't pay a traffic ticket and went to Europe for 6 months he was arrested at the airport and taken to Fulton County Jail booked then transferred to the Fayette County Jail then allowed to bond out.  It took two days all this over a $88.00 speeding ticket in Tyrone GA.
 
2013-05-12 06:36:00 PM
doglover: It SHOULD be illegal to post mugshots of people who were not convicted.
 
In general the police shouldn't release mugshots at all unless there is an overriding reason.  When it's done to shame' people that's an issue because it's not the cops job to met out punishment, that's the judges job.
 
2013-05-12 06:36:50 PM
I really love how this backfired on her.  Thousands upon thousands of people know about her arrest now and have seen her mugshot.  I'm surprised she didn't think her cunning plan through before suspending him.  She's clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer... what a shame she's an educator.
 
2013-05-12 06:36:56 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Meh. I was 100% in the student's camp until this:

Varner chose to add that he thought she'd been arrested for a DUI. This turned out not to have been the case.

Could have been libel if he'd worded his suspicions poorly, but at the very least he's initiating unfounded rumors. I can see why people might be pissed at him.


Ding ding ding ding.

/at least question if the pricipal murdered and raped a girl in 1990
 
2013-05-12 06:39:24 PM
Reading that CNET article is to witness a genocide of the English language.  Those poor, poor words.
 
2013-05-12 06:41:15 PM
Schools should teach kids how to behave and what repercussions they can expect in the real world. What she should have done is taken him into her office and said, "what that is, is libel, do you know what that is? It's very serious, you could go to jail over it, so delete it, and replace it with an apology that sets everything straight and we'll go about our day". Kid learns, she gets what she wants, we don't have to read a terribly written article... but wait, guess what? Tired yet? There's, like, more! Gah, fark off!
 
2013-05-12 06:46:54 PM

gibbon1: doglover: It SHOULD be illegal to post mugshots of people who were not convicted.
 
In general the police shouldn't release mugshots at all unless there is an overriding reason.  When it's done to shame' people that's an issue because it's not the cops job to met out punishment, that's the judges job.


Then change the law.  Booking photos, just like everything else the public safety field does, is subject to public scrutiny.  You can walk into your local police department and ask to see their policy manual, and by law, they're required to show you.  If not, you can fill out a FOIA request and they'll be compelled to show you.

It's no different with booking photos.  They're public record.  Very rarely do the police release them with press releases.  90% of the time they're released due to a FOIA request by a news agency.

You can't fault them for complying with the law.

Though some Farkers will.
 
2013-05-12 06:49:53 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: It's no different with booking photos. They're public record. Very rarely do the police release them with press releases


In Georgia, most counties have put them all online, you get booked your mugshot is online the next day.
 
2013-05-12 06:50:12 PM

FirstNationalBastard: If hot teachers can be fired for having bikini pics found by students, dumb Principals should also be fired for having mugshots.


That would open up a lot of supervisory positions.
 
2013-05-12 06:53:54 PM

bingethinker: Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, get promoted to principal.


Those who can, do.

Those who can't do, teach.

Those that can't do or teach, administrate.


/I've met too many administrators who dislike kids, but are "stuck" in education because they can't qualify to work elsewhere and become administrators to GTFO of the classroom.
 
2013-05-12 06:54:27 PM

rattchett: Popcorn Johnny: He's guilty of libel so the little shiat is lucky he's getting off with a suspension.

When was he found guilty of libel?  Or do you mean you think he has libeled the principal?  Kind of like the student said he thinks the principal was arrested for DUI.


The principal probably qualifies as a public figure, so the standards for proving libel are pretty high.
 
2013-05-12 06:57:20 PM

thamike: shoegaze99: The comments on that article are ... wow. God bless the Internet, where bigots no longer need to worry about shame.

Hell, bigots can even be bronies and furries on the internet.


Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's not get nuts here.
 
2013-05-12 06:58:08 PM

Girion47: ArcadianRefugee: FirstNationalBastard: If hot teachers can be fired for having bikini pics found by students, dumb Principals should also be fired for having mugshots.

One is usually voluntary, the other is usually not. Also, unless the arrest itself is somehow against school policy (for instance, if she'd had a felony conviction that she did not report before hiring and they specifically asked about such), then no; her criminal record would already have been known by the school system.

having someone snap a bikini pic while on summer vacation and having someone publish it against your will isn't really "voluntary"


Emphasis added so you can travel back in time and not bother to mention the one situation that wouldn't apply.
 
2013-05-12 06:58:14 PM
Girion47 : Yeah but you aren't TotalFark. So you see, your headline was taken, modified and another link was found to steal your glory.

I've done my fair share of link stealing ... but not three days after the story appeared, old news is so exciting :P
 
2013-05-12 06:59:36 PM

doglover: It SHOULD be illegal to post mugshots of people who were not convicted.

The police are VERY fallible. They are not only not good at catching people, but they're very good at inflating charges. So when they drag you in for a mugshot, chances are you're probably not guilty of what you're there for, and so it should be illegal to have such a photo or display it publicly.


No it shouldn't.
Consider, for instance, that the courts and police did not have to post arrest information. Pics and data only available after a conviction.

That means the police could 'arrest' you, and not tell anyone, ever.
"No, we don't have doglover here. Go away"
 
2013-05-12 07:00:16 PM

Tom_Slick: namatad: Tom_Slick: namatad: Can someone explain to me how you are arrested and processed (mug shot) for "She had been arrested for missing a court appearance that merely concerned a speeding ticket. "?

The whole story probably is, that she got pulled over with a failure to appear warrant for not paying her speeding ticket. so they took her in. If you forget to pay a speeding ticket and go to the court to rectify it you do not get arrested, if you ignore it you get arrested.

really?
cause the world I live in, they just keep sending you notices of a rescheduled court date. Hell, for my actual DUI I got 2-3 notices before I went and took care of it.
Of course that was 1985 aka the dark ages. I still cant imagine that a city would waste that amount of resources on a moving violation.
Dont they have real crimes they should be working on? like missing donuts?

In Georgia it depends on the jurisdiction, the court can suspend your license, issue an failure to appear warrant, or reschedule the court date.  Small towns that thrive on ticket revenue tend be the hard ass warrant issuing type.

/A friend didn't pay a traffic ticket and went to Europe for 6 months he was arrested at the airport and taken to Fulton County Jail booked then transferred to the Fayette County Jail then allowed to bond out.  It took two days all this over a $88.00 speeding ticket in Tyrone GA.


Which would have been avoided if he had paid his ticket, right? When should I feel bad?....
 
2013-05-12 07:00:35 PM

Nice to know that there are bigots even in the world of tech posting on sites like c|net. They act like no white people ever got arrested.

And is this the mugshot of the principal?


riehlworldview.com

 
2013-05-12 07:08:40 PM

namatad: I thought that Keandre Varner is a child rapist and has been known to eat babies.
This isn't libel because I am only thinking it. I am not saying that he is. But I think it would explain a lot.

/lol

Can someone explain to me how you are arrested and processed (mug shot) for "She had been arrested for missing a court appearance that merely concerned a speeding ticket. "?

nothing personal, but a society which arrests you for that needs to be burned to the ground and start all over.


It's not uncommon for judges to issue a bench warrant for FTA (failure to appear).
 
2013-05-12 07:11:03 PM
Whoever wrote that needs to be punched in the throat. Stop trying to be clever and get to the freaking point. Just because the internet is infinite doesn't mean you have to try to use it all to tell a story that should take three paragraphs.
 
2013-05-12 07:12:36 PM

suburbanguy: Which would have been avoided if he had paid his ticket, right? When should I feel bad?....


Nope not saying you should feel bad, he should have paid the dumb ticket. However, it does seem to be a waste of resources.
 
2013-05-12 07:14:51 PM

delphi_ote: Reading that CNET article is to witness a genocide of the English language.  Those poor, poor words.


Unfortunately this passes for journalism nowadays.
 
2013-05-12 07:18:42 PM

Tom_Slick: /A friend didn't pay a traffic ticket and went to Europe for 6 months he was arrested at the airport and taken to Fulton County Jail booked then transferred to the Fayette County Jail then allowed to bond out. It took two days all this over a $88.00 speeding ticket in Tyrone GA.


And Fark still doesn't have a Georgia tag.  Go figure.

But back to the story - I thought Mr. Weatherbee was the principal of Riverdale High.  This is just the kind of stunt that that jackass Reggie would pull.
 
2013-05-12 07:22:58 PM
The author of that article should be arrested for something. Good lord, that was annoying to read.

/hates it when TV anchors add, "...and get THIS..."

//still with me? Good.
 
2013-05-12 07:26:54 PM

Rodeodoc: I thought Mr. Weatherbee was the principal of Riverdale High


He got fired for having a Betty and Veronica sandwich.
 
2013-05-12 07:38:50 PM
On one hand, the very fact that mug shots are public record is a travesty. It is publicly humiliating people who aren't even necessarily guilty of a crime. The only reason it's even allowed is that it fuels an industry: companies that go out and obtain these mugshots, post them online, then extort people to have them removed. It should be illegal as f*ck but given how retardedly right-wing derptastic this country is when it comes to crime and punishment, it's hardly surprising.

On the other hand, it IS legal and thus this principal is punishing the kid for doing something that is in no way against the law.
 
2013-05-12 07:40:45 PM

doglover: It SHOULD be illegal to post mugshots of people who were not convicted.

The police are VERY fallible. They are not only not good at catching people, but they're very good at inflating charges. So when they drag you in for a mugshot, chances are you're probably not guilty of what you're there for, and so it should be illegal to have such a photo or display it publicly.


...BUT, it is legal, so the kid was just posting a publicly available item. I do agree with you, though, that it should be illegal for these mugshots to get out in the first place.
 
2013-05-12 07:43:34 PM
Meh.

Get me when a group of kids find a dead squirrel on school premises, prop it up on a tree and take a picture.

The principal wanted one kid, and I do mean only one kid out of the group, arrested for killing the animal, animal cruelty and sexual deprivation.  The dead squirrel was there for a couple days and had already been reported to the school for clean up before the kids picked it up.  She was mad at the kid for posting the pic online and poking fun at the school for not getting rid of the squirrel.

/the media never got this story and I forgot to follow up on how it ended
//I'll check tomorrow
 
2013-05-12 07:44:45 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: On one hand, the very fact that mug shots are public record is a travesty. It is publicly humiliating people who aren't even necessarily guilty of a crime. The only reason it's even allowed is that it fuels an industry: companies that go out and obtain these mugshots, post them online, then extort people to have them removed. It should be illegal as f*ck but given how retardedly right-wing derptastic this country is when it comes to crime and punishment, it's hardly surprising.

On the other hand, it IS legal and thus this principal is punishing the kid for doing something that is in no way against the law.


Don't forget those "Just Arrested" Newspapers at your local convenience store
 
2013-05-12 07:56:24 PM
The real victim here is the reader of that article.
 
2013-05-12 07:57:11 PM

Kimothy: FirstNationalBastard: If hot teachers can be fired for having bikini pics found by students, dumb Principals should also be fired for having mugshots.

I don't support firing teachers for having a private life, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You are absolutely correct - administrators should be held to an even higher standard than teachers.

Besides, this administrator is clearly a bully and an imbecile who doesn't understand student rights.


Students, however, do not enjoy the same, full rights that adults do.
 
2013-05-12 08:03:41 PM

rattchett: Popcorn Johnny: He's guilty of libel so the little shiat is lucky he's getting off with a suspension.

When was he found guilty of libel?  Or do you mean you think he has libeled the principal?  Kind of like the student said he thinks the principal was arrested for DUI.


i1255.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-12 08:04:32 PM
HideAndGoFarkYourself:
Then change the law.
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-12 08:06:27 PM

MaritimeGirl: I really love how this backfired on her.  Thousands upon thousands of people know about her arrest now and have seen her mugshot.  I'm surprised she didn't think her cunning plan through before suspending him.  She's clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer... what a shame she's an educator.


Look for the union label
 
2013-05-12 08:16:00 PM

Jacob_Roberson: No sooner does one odd controversy erupt in our teen education centers than another appears like a tardy bus.

No you didn't
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 720x395]


Holy fark..is that real? (as in not a photoshop) I want one.
 
2013-05-12 08:16:18 PM

thamike: shoegaze99: The comments on that article are ... wow.

God bless the Internet, where bigots no longer need to worry about shame.

Hell, bigots can even be bronies and furries on the internet.


I'm waiting for the fronies to appear.
 
2013-05-12 08:30:53 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: gibbon1: doglover: It SHOULD be illegal to post mugshots of people who were not convicted.
 
In general the police shouldn't release mugshots at all unless there is an overriding reason.  When it's done to shame' people that's an issue because it's not the cops job to met out punishment, that's the judges job.

Then change the law.  Booking photos, just like everything else the public safety field does, is subject to public scrutiny.  You can walk into your local police department and ask to see their policy manual, and by law, they're required to show you.  If not, you can fill out a FOIA request and they'll be compelled to show you.

It's no different with booking photos.  They're public record.  Very rarely do the police release them with press releases.  90% of the time they're released due to a FOIA request by a news agency.

You can't fault them for complying with the law.

Though some Farkers will.



FOIA = Only applies to Federal government.

Public records laws are passed at the state level, and vary from state to state.

I love it when idiots spew on like they know the law.  You don't.
 
2013-05-12 08:34:51 PM

7th Son of a 7th Son: God--: I think she was arrested for prostitution

Ewwwww....someone would actually pay for that?


As bad as she is, she's still better than subby's mom.
 
2013-05-12 08:36:43 PM

ciberido: thamike: shoegaze99: The comments on that article are ... wow.

God bless the Internet, where bigots no longer need to worry about shame.

Hell, bigots can even be bronies and furries on the internet.

I'm waiting for the fronies to appear.


I think I saw Brick-House posting.
 
2013-05-12 08:37:24 PM

Slaxl: Schools should teach kids how to behave and what repercussions they can expect in the real world. What she should have done is taken him into her office and said, "what that is, is libel, do you know what that is? It's very serious, you could go to jail over it, so delete it, and replace it with an apology that sets everything straight and we'll go about our day". Kid learns, she gets what she wants, we don't have to read a terribly written article... but wait, guess what? Tired yet? There's, like, more! Gah, fark off!


Someone should have done that for you so you would understand that libel is a civil matter, not criminal. You don't get arrested or jailed for libel. You get sued by the person who thinks s/he has been libeled.
 
2013-05-12 08:37:28 PM
I love all the law GEDs in here who think that merely prefacing something defamatory with "I think" grants you total immunity.

From Milkovich v. Lorain Journal: "[W]e do not think this passage fromGertz was intended to create a wholesale defamation exemption for anything that might be labeled "opinion."...Not only would such an interpretation be contrary to the tenor and context of the passage, but it would also ignore the fact that expressions of "opinion" may often imply an assertion of objective fact."
If a speaker says, "In my opinion John Jones is a liar," he implies a knowledge of facts which lead to the conclusion that Jones told an untruth. Even if the speaker states the facts upon which he bases his opinion, if those facts are either incorrect or incomplete, or if his assessment of them is erroneous, the statement may still imply a false assertion of fact. Simply couching such statements in terms of opinion does not dispel these implications; and the statement, "In my opinion Jones is a liar," can cause as much damage to reputation as the statement, "Jones is a liar."

 
And of course, the key: "Unlike a subjective assertion, the averred defamatory language is an articulation of an objectively verifiable event."
Whether the principal was arrested for a DUI or not is an objectively verifiable event. Saying "I  think she was arrested for a DUI" and attempting to claim it's merely an opinion is not going to absolve you of liability.
 
2013-05-12 08:38:48 PM
In another thread I jokingly suspected there is a secret competition going on amongst school Principals coast to coast on who can be the Biggest Douchebag Principal of the Year.

Now, I'm starting to suspect that such a competition is real and is happening.
 
2013-05-12 08:42:20 PM
Articles like this are so annoying. Just report what happened, you're not clever.
 
2013-05-12 08:50:39 PM

Theaetetus: I love all the law GEDs in here who think that merely prefacing something defamatory with "I think" grants you total immunity.


Dude, this is fark, where people post commentary on articles and random shiat. I didn't see anyone proclaim to be a law professor or be something more than what they are, so no need to denigrate them. Maybe technically he could face legal consequences for committing the act of libel. Who knows. What do you really think the probability of that would be though? If we see a followup of this where she files suit and he is found liable, I'll send you $1,000. It ain't gonna happen.
 
2013-05-12 08:55:36 PM
That article was garbage.
 
2013-05-12 09:04:00 PM

fnordfocus: rattchett: Popcorn Johnny: He's guilty of libel so the little shiat is lucky he's getting off with a suspension.

When was he found guilty of libel?  Or do you mean you think he has libeled the principal?  Kind of like the student said he thinks the principal was arrested for DUI.

The principal probably qualifies as a public figure, so the standards for proving libel are pretty high.


If she didn't qualify as a public figure before, she sure as hell does now.

Bathia_Mapes: namatad: I thought that Keandre Varner is a child rapist and has been known to eat babies.
This isn't libel because I am only thinking it. I am not saying that he is. But I think it would explain a lot.

/lol

Can someone explain to me how you are arrested and processed (mug shot) for "She had been arrested for missing a court appearance that merely concerned a speeding ticket. "?

nothing personal, but a society which arrests you for that needs to be burned to the ground and start all over.

It's not uncommon for judges to issue a bench warrant for FTA (failure to appear).


In general, bench warrants are only issued if you are legally required to appear for trial for the charge.  You aren't allowed to just pay a fine and get on with your life.  These are usually more serious offences like driving on a suspended license, DWI, racing, etc.  For other offences they just suspend your license and move on.

If I had to guess I would guess she failed to appear for a minor offence, got her license suspended, then got caught driving on a suspended license.
 
2013-05-12 09:17:52 PM
It is good to see that the American school system is making sure to educate children as to what happens to whistle-blowers in our society.
 
2013-05-12 09:18:57 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, let's see:

1. Get busted and a kid posts your mugshot: Keep your mouth shut, and a few dozen kids know about it;

2. Get busted and raise a stink, take it out on the kid:  Story goes viral, and 500 million people know about it.

That about get it?
 
2013-05-12 09:29:34 PM

FirstNationalBastard: If hot teachers can be fired for having bikini pics found by students, dumb Principals should also be fired for having mugshots.


Its because the people doing the firing are angry dipshiats who would cause people to scream in horror if the wore a bikini.  If you haven't noticed people in charge rarely get fired unless they have talked bad about the invisible man in the sky or capitalism or some other thing you can't talk bad about.  The rules don't apply to them unless enough people get their panties in bunch.  Then its 50/50 if they are penalized for their bad and unethical Beauvoir.   This chick managed to sweep her bad behaviour under the rug and is simply pissed that the internet has made her idiotic decision to ignore the court public knowledge.  She doesn't care about the kid, indeed most people who seek leadership are sociopaths.  But you assholes keep supporting them.
 
2013-05-12 09:41:37 PM
Can't believe anyone thinks the kid is in the right on this.  Yes, the principal is a nutcase but the kid DOES deserve some sort of punishment for the false allegation.
 
2013-05-12 09:42:25 PM
The cover up is almost always worse than the crime.
 
2013-05-12 09:45:14 PM

NephilimNexus: It is good to see that the American school system is making sure to educate children as to what happens to whistle-blowers in our society.


THIS.

He will grow up angry and bitter, and become a freedom fighter.  Good training in the long run.
 
2013-05-12 09:51:34 PM

namegoeshere: Something tells me this principal is about to be introduced to the Streisand Effect.


So much THIS. I could also see people adorning themselves with t-shirts with said mugshot.
 
2013-05-12 10:23:36 PM
You know, it's pretty f*cking amazing how many times Obama's name came up in the comments.

WHAT THE F*CK?
 
2013-05-12 10:27:41 PM

Theaetetus: I love all the law GEDs in here who think that merely prefacing something defamatory with "I think" grants you total immunity.


So, there WILL be a lawsuit filed? And it WILL go somewhere? And an award will be granted, or settlement reached?

DO GO ON. No, please, go the f*ck on. We're all listening.
 
2013-05-12 10:47:31 PM

Kimothy: FirstNationalBastard: If hot teachers can be fired for having bikini pics found by students, dumb Principals should also be fired for having mugshots.

I don't support firing teachers for having a private life, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You are absolutely correct - administrators should be held to an even higher standard than teachers.

Besides, this administrator is clearly a bully and an imbecile who doesn't understand student rights.


I was told by my principal that I didn't have any rights in school. And the good conduct policy got rid of a lot of my rights outside of school.
 
2013-05-12 11:10:04 PM

puffy999: Theaetetus: I love all the law GEDs in here who think that merely prefacing something defamatory with "I think" grants you total immunity.

So, there WILL be a lawsuit filed? And it WILL go somewhere? And an award will be granted, or settlement reached?

DO GO ON. No, please, go the f*ck on. We're all listening.


Did I say any of that? No? Are you finished making a fool out of yourself, or would you like to continue?
 
2013-05-12 11:10:54 PM

Popcorn Johnny: He's guilty of libel so the little shiat is lucky he's getting off with a suspension.


Then she should sue him because that's a civil tort.

Now, she's used her position to inappropriately exact revenge upon him so she gets to write the check instead of him.

Slaxl: What she should have done is taken him into her office and said, "what that is, is libel, do you know what that is? It's very serious, you could go to jail over it, so delete it, and replace it with an apology that sets everything straight and we'll go about our day".


You want her to lie to him?  He can't go to jail for libel.

She can, however, lose her job for suspending him.
 
2013-05-12 11:10:57 PM
My mug shot isn't online; shows how boring the charge was.
 
2013-05-12 11:16:35 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: gibbon1: doglover: It SHOULD be illegal to post mugshots of people who were not convicted.
 
In general the police shouldn't release mugshots at all unless there is an overriding reason.  When it's done to shame' people that's an issue because it's not the cops job to met out punishment, that's the judges job.

Then change the law.  Booking photos, just like everything else the public safety field does, is subject to public scrutiny.  You can walk into your local police department and ask to see their policy manual, and by law, they're required to show you.  If not, you can fill out a FOIA request and they'll be compelled to show you.

It's no different with booking photos.  They're public record.  Very rarely do the police release them with press releases.  90% of the time they're released due to a FOIA request by a news agency.

You can't fault them for complying with the law.

Though some Farkers will.


This sounds very much like "we were following order". Not really a valid argument
 
2013-05-12 11:20:40 PM
JustGetItRight:He can't go to jail for libel.

This happens to be true here, because they're in Georgia, but is not true on the 17 states with criminal libel laws.
 
2013-05-12 11:22:56 PM
Kid could be a little smarter.  Make another instragram account, fill it with random photos that don't relate to you, then put up the instagram photo of the principal and start passing it around.  Even if you're 100% right, she'll nail your ass next time she catches you without a hall pass or the like.

Or just make a random email account and spam the photo to all the email addresses you know, complete with your commentary.  Let rumor control do the work for you when you expose someone.

/kid should get a creative lawyer and try to claim the suspension violates some kind of whistleblower act
 
2013-05-12 11:24:19 PM

Tom_Slick: namatad: Can someone explain to me how you are arrested and processed (mug shot) for "She had been arrested for missing a court appearance that merely concerned a speeding ticket. "?

The whole story probably is, that she got pulled over with a failure to appear warrant for not paying her speeding ticket. so they took her in. If you forget to pay a speeding ticket and go to the court to rectify it you do not get arrested, if you ignore it you get arrested.


just sayin: in ohio, if you don't pay, they yank your drivers license (which allows additional fines and fees later)
 
2013-05-12 11:33:07 PM

paulseta: Pricipal . Caught sayof school that has stoped Handstandsing " See, told ya so" Is He dead or not. CNN Says yes. St. Pete Times Looking for chads -OR- "hello, I am write single to salute and wait for answer again"


Call 911, you're having a stroke.
 
2013-05-12 11:44:12 PM
My alma mater!
 
2013-05-12 11:51:24 PM

paulseta: Pricipal . Caught sayof school that has stoped Handstandsing " See, told ya so" Is He dead or not. CNN Says yes. St. Pete Times Looking for chads -OR- "hello, I am write single to salute and wait for answer again"


One of us is having a seizure   As I can read what I'm typing, I think it's you.
 
2013-05-13 12:01:14 AM

ReverendJynxed: paulseta: Pricipal . Caught sayof school that has stoped Handstandsing " See, told ya so" Is He dead or not. CNN Says yes. St. Pete Times Looking for chads -OR- "hello, I am write single to salute and wait for answer again"

Call 911 000 , you're having a stroke.


FTFM, sorry I probably killed you.
 
2013-05-13 12:04:22 AM

ReverendJynxed: paulseta: Pricipal . Caught sayof school that has stoped Handstandsing " See, told ya so" Is He dead or not. CNN Says yes. St. Pete Times Looking for chads -OR- "hello, I am write single to salute and wait for answer again"

Call 911, you're having a stroke.


Kahabut: paulseta: Pricipal . Caught sayof school that has stoped Handstandsing " See, told ya so" Is He dead or not. CNN Says yes. St. Pete Times Looking for chads -OR- "hello, I am write single to salute and wait for answer again"

One of us is having a seizure   As I can read what I'm typing, I think it's you.


paulseta is quoting a well known fark meme that's been around since 2005.
 
2013-05-13 12:40:45 AM

Theaetetus: JustGetItRight:He can't go to jail for libel.

This happens to be true here, because they're in Georgia, but is not true on the 17 states with criminal libel laws.


Criminal charges for making defamatory statements virtually never happen in the modern US, although as noted a few states have old criminal libel laws on the books.  States have some funny old laws on the books that are never used. Criminal libel is a rotten concept akin to laws that empower governments to jail dissidents for treason-like crimes (see for example crime of sedition in Imperial Rome as described by Tacitus).  Credit to Officer Friendly in this story for refusing the principal's request to arrest the speaker little punk.

Second, all the farkers who said opinions are not actionable, that libelous statements must be assertions of fact, are correct. There are no magic words like "I think" that automatically transform an opinion into a factual claim, but a disclaimer along the lines of "I am aware of a rumour along these lines but I do not vouch for the truth of said rumor, which may be as false as your Mom's teeth for all I know" will go a long way to proofing an outrageous statement against a libel charge in common law countries.  Court must look at the entire context to decide if it is a factual claim.

Third, 4ts has sued school boards on behalf of teens who got farked by an overzealous administrator. There's a state law that controls for what they may punish you. You have a right to a hearing (due process) and typically appeal to the school board as a whole. Then you can sue. So here (and now I am guessing), the student handbook did not say "you may not speak ill of the faculty or administrators." The school cannot punish him for that. So, evidently, they are claiming he disrupted school events or whatever they can find in the student handbook that fits what he did.
 
2013-05-13 12:46:17 AM

4tehsnowflakes: There are no magic words like "I think" that automatically transform a factual claim

into an opinion

FTFM?
 
2013-05-13 01:10:55 AM
Back when my brother was a senior in high school (1970), he noticed that the big events sign out front of the high school, a gift from the previous senior class was never lit up.  Out of curiosity, he checked it out and found it had nver been wired to the building.  The electrical wires stopped two feet from the base of the sign.

Just after that, he saw the faculty advisor of that class in the halls and asked him about it.  The guy went ballistic and started calling my brother a troublemaker and told him he'd be sorry if he said another word about it.  A day or so later, my brother got called down to  Vice-principal Ettinger's office and told the same thing.

This of course, got my brother even more curious and he took it a step farther and wrote a letter to the editor of the city's paper, detailing all this, and he told a few friends he had done so.  Well, the friends blabbed and it got back to Ettinger.  He called my brother down to the office and told him he'd be expelled if the paper printed the letter.  My brother went home and told Dad, who told him not to worry.  If he got expelled, Dad would get his attorney to file suit the very day.

As it turned out, the letter to the editor never got published, likely the school called friends at the paper and killed it.
 
2013-05-13 01:23:28 AM

Aulus: Back when ...
As it turned out, the letter to the editor never got published, likely the school called friends at the paper and killed it.


CS,B?  I don't know for sure, but some might speculate whether the money intended for the wiring was stolen.  A reckless person might even entertain the notion that Ettinger himself could have been involved.
 
2013-05-13 01:42:47 AM
Actually, my brother suspected the faculty advisor, the school's art teacher,  had pocketed the money.  He, the art teacher, had gone way too apeshiat  right off the bat, which lead my brother to suspect him.

Ettinger, OTOH, was just a petty tyrant.  I had him as a teacher for 9th grade civics six years before and he was a total asshole back then.
 
2013-05-13 02:48:25 AM

Aulus: Actually, my brother suspected the faculty advisor, the school's art teacher,  had pocketed the money.  He, the art teacher, had gone way too apeshiat  right off the bat, which lead my brother to suspect him.

Ettinger, OTOH, was just a petty tyrant.  I had him as a teacher for 9th grade civics six years before and he was a total asshole back then.


Many public schools are now having campaigns against bullying, arguably a worthy goal as the precious 'flakes can be very mean to each other, but it allows administrators an excuse to extend control over student speech.  Before the intertubes, the power of the schools to impose punishment for expressive acts like dress or speech mostly started and ended with on-campus acts.  But now the schools are trying to police off-campus speech by students more, sometimes imposing disciplinary action on the theory that what students say online affects what happens at school.  And it is hard to deny that FB or tumbleweed or whatever these young 'uns use is on campus with them.

//long as they stay off my got-damn lawn
 
2013-05-13 08:06:34 AM
Mugshots are public domain and can be found by anyone.
The principle should be fired for being a dumba@@.
 
2013-05-13 08:15:12 AM

rattchett: Popcorn Johnny: He's guilty of libel so the little shiat is lucky he's getting off with a suspension.

When was he found guilty of libel?  Or do you mean you think he has libeled the principal?  Kind of like the student said he thinks the principal was arrested for DUI.


Aaaaand we're done here.
 
2013-05-13 08:57:47 AM

stuffy: The cover up is almost always worse than the crime.


YEP.

I would have been on the principal's side if she hadn't gone full retard and turned a molehill into a farking mountain. "A kid pointed out that I have shown poor judgment in the past! Time to show him the true meaning of 'failing to consider consequences!'"
 
2013-05-13 11:42:41 AM
The words "I think" pretty much rules out libel.
 
2013-05-13 12:37:23 PM

thamike: Kimothy: Besides, this administrator is clearly a bully and an imbecile who doesn't understand student rights.

Or traffic signs. Or court dates.


A long, long time ago I once had to appear in traffic court. Honestly I don't even remember why. I think I forgot to pay a fine or something and ended up getting a summons. Anyways, I was young and extremely nervous. On the appointed day I dressed in reasonably nice (but not too nice) clothes and showed up at the courthouse a good hour early. I found the posted list of cases and... I wasn't on it! I looked at the summons paper thingy I had with me and it turns out my court date had been one week earlier. I have no idea how I screwed that up. Oddly, nothing came of it. I never got another piece of mail about it and nothing ever appeared on my record. Weird.

In this case, the student did do something wrong. Calling the cops does not seem completely unreasonable, although I'm not sure that the cops have any power to do anything in a libel-type scenario.
 
2013-05-13 05:33:32 PM

Jument: In this case, the student did do something wrong. Calling the cops does not seem completely unreasonable, although I'm not sure that the cops have any power to do anything in a libel-type scenario.


They don't.  And she would probably lose a civil suit as well at this point.
 
2013-05-13 05:35:11 PM

computerguyUT: Mugshots are public domain and can be found by anyone.
The principle should be fired for being a dumba@@.


Are you kidding? Dumbasses get promoted to Supernintendo.
 
2013-05-13 06:09:48 PM

halB: HideAndGoFarkYourself: gibbon1: doglover: It SHOULD be illegal to post mugshots of people who were not convicted.
 
In general the police shouldn't release mugshots at all unless there is an overriding reason.  When it's done to shame' people that's an issue because it's not the cops job to met out punishment, that's the judges job.

Then change the law.  Booking photos, just like everything else the public safety field does, is subject to public scrutiny.  You can walk into your local police department and ask to see their policy manual, and by law, they're required to show you.  If not, you can fill out a FOIA request and they'll be compelled to show you.

It's no different with booking photos.  They're public record.  Very rarely do the police release them with press releases.  90% of the time they're released due to a FOIA request by a news agency.

You can't fault them for complying with the law.

Though some Farkers will.


FOIA = Only applies to Federal government.

Public records laws are passed at the state level, and vary from state to state.

I love it when idiots spew on like they know the law.  You don't.


I love it when people use useless trivia to try to feel superior to others. Like you.
 
2013-05-13 10:36:22 PM
I had a principal who would have handled that so differently. She would have said "Actually, yes, that is me, but it wasn't an arrest for DUI. It was an arrest for..." and then proceeded to explain the situation, how old she was, the consequences, and "yes, it really was awful, but it did make me a stronger person. That's why when you guys make mistakes, I try to be as understanding as I can, because I was young once myself and our mistakes can help make us better people just as much as the things we get right." And then she would hang the mugshot in her office for all to see, inspiring us all.

She'd probably also help the student make an Inspirational Facebook Meme incorporating the mugshot, a current picture of her with students and some cheer-up text about how sometimes the worst day of your life can actually be something that helps inspire you to help others. If it made the news at all, which is unlikely except in the event of an extremely slow news day, the press would be positive and the community would respect her all the more for having the integrity to own up to the mug shot. That, and some of the stone thug types who inexplicably loved Mrs. D and defended her to other schools would actually respect her considerably more.

Of course, in said principal's case, the mugshot would likely be from her well-known and rather admired past as a civil rights and environment protestor, where we all knew she'd been arrested while demonstrating non-violently for beliefs we, some 30 years later, considered perfectly reasonable. She had a lovely way of letting the punishment fit the crime, where kids who were legitimately protesting a school policy they felt as unfair were sentenced to write an essay detailing their views for the Debate Team to argue and kids who were actually being nasty to one another got actual punishments.
 
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