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2013-05-12 06:46:54 PM

gibbon1: doglover: It SHOULD be illegal to post mugshots of people who were not convicted.
 
In general the police shouldn't release mugshots at all unless there is an overriding reason.  When it's done to shame' people that's an issue because it's not the cops job to met out punishment, that's the judges job.


Then change the law.  Booking photos, just like everything else the public safety field does, is subject to public scrutiny.  You can walk into your local police department and ask to see their policy manual, and by law, they're required to show you.  If not, you can fill out a FOIA request and they'll be compelled to show you.

It's no different with booking photos.  They're public record.  Very rarely do the police release them with press releases.  90% of the time they're released due to a FOIA request by a news agency.

You can't fault them for complying with the law.

Though some Farkers will.
 
2013-05-12 06:49:53 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: It's no different with booking photos. They're public record. Very rarely do the police release them with press releases


In Georgia, most counties have put them all online, you get booked your mugshot is online the next day.
 
2013-05-12 06:50:12 PM

FirstNationalBastard: If hot teachers can be fired for having bikini pics found by students, dumb Principals should also be fired for having mugshots.


That would open up a lot of supervisory positions.
 
2013-05-12 06:53:54 PM

bingethinker: Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, get promoted to principal.


Those who can, do.

Those who can't do, teach.

Those that can't do or teach, administrate.


/I've met too many administrators who dislike kids, but are "stuck" in education because they can't qualify to work elsewhere and become administrators to GTFO of the classroom.
 
2013-05-12 06:54:27 PM

rattchett: Popcorn Johnny: He's guilty of libel so the little shiat is lucky he's getting off with a suspension.

When was he found guilty of libel?  Or do you mean you think he has libeled the principal?  Kind of like the student said he thinks the principal was arrested for DUI.


The principal probably qualifies as a public figure, so the standards for proving libel are pretty high.
 
2013-05-12 06:57:20 PM

thamike: shoegaze99: The comments on that article are ... wow. God bless the Internet, where bigots no longer need to worry about shame.

Hell, bigots can even be bronies and furries on the internet.


Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's not get nuts here.
 
2013-05-12 06:58:08 PM

Girion47: ArcadianRefugee: FirstNationalBastard: If hot teachers can be fired for having bikini pics found by students, dumb Principals should also be fired for having mugshots.

One is usually voluntary, the other is usually not. Also, unless the arrest itself is somehow against school policy (for instance, if she'd had a felony conviction that she did not report before hiring and they specifically asked about such), then no; her criminal record would already have been known by the school system.

having someone snap a bikini pic while on summer vacation and having someone publish it against your will isn't really "voluntary"


Emphasis added so you can travel back in time and not bother to mention the one situation that wouldn't apply.
 
2013-05-12 06:58:14 PM
Girion47 : Yeah but you aren't TotalFark. So you see, your headline was taken, modified and another link was found to steal your glory.

I've done my fair share of link stealing ... but not three days after the story appeared, old news is so exciting :P
 
2013-05-12 06:59:36 PM

doglover: It SHOULD be illegal to post mugshots of people who were not convicted.

The police are VERY fallible. They are not only not good at catching people, but they're very good at inflating charges. So when they drag you in for a mugshot, chances are you're probably not guilty of what you're there for, and so it should be illegal to have such a photo or display it publicly.


No it shouldn't.
Consider, for instance, that the courts and police did not have to post arrest information. Pics and data only available after a conviction.

That means the police could 'arrest' you, and not tell anyone, ever.
"No, we don't have doglover here. Go away"
 
2013-05-12 07:00:16 PM

Tom_Slick: namatad: Tom_Slick: namatad: Can someone explain to me how you are arrested and processed (mug shot) for "She had been arrested for missing a court appearance that merely concerned a speeding ticket. "?

The whole story probably is, that she got pulled over with a failure to appear warrant for not paying her speeding ticket. so they took her in. If you forget to pay a speeding ticket and go to the court to rectify it you do not get arrested, if you ignore it you get arrested.

really?
cause the world I live in, they just keep sending you notices of a rescheduled court date. Hell, for my actual DUI I got 2-3 notices before I went and took care of it.
Of course that was 1985 aka the dark ages. I still cant imagine that a city would waste that amount of resources on a moving violation.
Dont they have real crimes they should be working on? like missing donuts?

In Georgia it depends on the jurisdiction, the court can suspend your license, issue an failure to appear warrant, or reschedule the court date.  Small towns that thrive on ticket revenue tend be the hard ass warrant issuing type.

/A friend didn't pay a traffic ticket and went to Europe for 6 months he was arrested at the airport and taken to Fulton County Jail booked then transferred to the Fayette County Jail then allowed to bond out.  It took two days all this over a $88.00 speeding ticket in Tyrone GA.


Which would have been avoided if he had paid his ticket, right? When should I feel bad?....
 
2013-05-12 07:00:35 PM

Nice to know that there are bigots even in the world of tech posting on sites like c|net. They act like no white people ever got arrested.

And is this the mugshot of the principal?


riehlworldview.com

 
2013-05-12 07:08:40 PM

namatad: I thought that Keandre Varner is a child rapist and has been known to eat babies.
This isn't libel because I am only thinking it. I am not saying that he is. But I think it would explain a lot.

/lol

Can someone explain to me how you are arrested and processed (mug shot) for "She had been arrested for missing a court appearance that merely concerned a speeding ticket. "?

nothing personal, but a society which arrests you for that needs to be burned to the ground and start all over.


It's not uncommon for judges to issue a bench warrant for FTA (failure to appear).
 
2013-05-12 07:11:03 PM
Whoever wrote that needs to be punched in the throat. Stop trying to be clever and get to the freaking point. Just because the internet is infinite doesn't mean you have to try to use it all to tell a story that should take three paragraphs.
 
2013-05-12 07:12:36 PM

suburbanguy: Which would have been avoided if he had paid his ticket, right? When should I feel bad?....


Nope not saying you should feel bad, he should have paid the dumb ticket. However, it does seem to be a waste of resources.
 
2013-05-12 07:14:51 PM

delphi_ote: Reading that CNET article is to witness a genocide of the English language.  Those poor, poor words.


Unfortunately this passes for journalism nowadays.
 
2013-05-12 07:18:42 PM

Tom_Slick: /A friend didn't pay a traffic ticket and went to Europe for 6 months he was arrested at the airport and taken to Fulton County Jail booked then transferred to the Fayette County Jail then allowed to bond out. It took two days all this over a $88.00 speeding ticket in Tyrone GA.


And Fark still doesn't have a Georgia tag.  Go figure.

But back to the story - I thought Mr. Weatherbee was the principal of Riverdale High.  This is just the kind of stunt that that jackass Reggie would pull.
 
2013-05-12 07:22:58 PM
The author of that article should be arrested for something. Good lord, that was annoying to read.

/hates it when TV anchors add, "...and get THIS..."

//still with me? Good.
 
2013-05-12 07:26:54 PM

Rodeodoc: I thought Mr. Weatherbee was the principal of Riverdale High


He got fired for having a Betty and Veronica sandwich.
 
2013-05-12 07:38:50 PM
On one hand, the very fact that mug shots are public record is a travesty. It is publicly humiliating people who aren't even necessarily guilty of a crime. The only reason it's even allowed is that it fuels an industry: companies that go out and obtain these mugshots, post them online, then extort people to have them removed. It should be illegal as f*ck but given how retardedly right-wing derptastic this country is when it comes to crime and punishment, it's hardly surprising.

On the other hand, it IS legal and thus this principal is punishing the kid for doing something that is in no way against the law.
 
2013-05-12 07:40:45 PM

doglover: It SHOULD be illegal to post mugshots of people who were not convicted.

The police are VERY fallible. They are not only not good at catching people, but they're very good at inflating charges. So when they drag you in for a mugshot, chances are you're probably not guilty of what you're there for, and so it should be illegal to have such a photo or display it publicly.


...BUT, it is legal, so the kid was just posting a publicly available item. I do agree with you, though, that it should be illegal for these mugshots to get out in the first place.
 
2013-05-12 07:43:34 PM
Meh.

Get me when a group of kids find a dead squirrel on school premises, prop it up on a tree and take a picture.

The principal wanted one kid, and I do mean only one kid out of the group, arrested for killing the animal, animal cruelty and sexual deprivation.  The dead squirrel was there for a couple days and had already been reported to the school for clean up before the kids picked it up.  She was mad at the kid for posting the pic online and poking fun at the school for not getting rid of the squirrel.

/the media never got this story and I forgot to follow up on how it ended
//I'll check tomorrow
 
2013-05-12 07:44:45 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: On one hand, the very fact that mug shots are public record is a travesty. It is publicly humiliating people who aren't even necessarily guilty of a crime. The only reason it's even allowed is that it fuels an industry: companies that go out and obtain these mugshots, post them online, then extort people to have them removed. It should be illegal as f*ck but given how retardedly right-wing derptastic this country is when it comes to crime and punishment, it's hardly surprising.

On the other hand, it IS legal and thus this principal is punishing the kid for doing something that is in no way against the law.


Don't forget those "Just Arrested" Newspapers at your local convenience store
 
2013-05-12 07:56:24 PM
The real victim here is the reader of that article.
 
2013-05-12 07:57:11 PM

Kimothy: FirstNationalBastard: If hot teachers can be fired for having bikini pics found by students, dumb Principals should also be fired for having mugshots.

I don't support firing teachers for having a private life, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You are absolutely correct - administrators should be held to an even higher standard than teachers.

Besides, this administrator is clearly a bully and an imbecile who doesn't understand student rights.


Students, however, do not enjoy the same, full rights that adults do.
 
2013-05-12 08:03:41 PM

rattchett: Popcorn Johnny: He's guilty of libel so the little shiat is lucky he's getting off with a suspension.

When was he found guilty of libel?  Or do you mean you think he has libeled the principal?  Kind of like the student said he thinks the principal was arrested for DUI.


i1255.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-12 08:04:32 PM
HideAndGoFarkYourself:
Then change the law.
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-12 08:06:27 PM

MaritimeGirl: I really love how this backfired on her.  Thousands upon thousands of people know about her arrest now and have seen her mugshot.  I'm surprised she didn't think her cunning plan through before suspending him.  She's clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer... what a shame she's an educator.


Look for the union label
 
2013-05-12 08:16:00 PM

Jacob_Roberson: No sooner does one odd controversy erupt in our teen education centers than another appears like a tardy bus.

No you didn't
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Holy fark..is that real? (as in not a photoshop) I want one.
 
2013-05-12 08:16:18 PM

thamike: shoegaze99: The comments on that article are ... wow.

God bless the Internet, where bigots no longer need to worry about shame.

Hell, bigots can even be bronies and furries on the internet.


I'm waiting for the fronies to appear.
 
2013-05-12 08:30:53 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: gibbon1: doglover: It SHOULD be illegal to post mugshots of people who were not convicted.
 
In general the police shouldn't release mugshots at all unless there is an overriding reason.  When it's done to shame' people that's an issue because it's not the cops job to met out punishment, that's the judges job.

Then change the law.  Booking photos, just like everything else the public safety field does, is subject to public scrutiny.  You can walk into your local police department and ask to see their policy manual, and by law, they're required to show you.  If not, you can fill out a FOIA request and they'll be compelled to show you.

It's no different with booking photos.  They're public record.  Very rarely do the police release them with press releases.  90% of the time they're released due to a FOIA request by a news agency.

You can't fault them for complying with the law.

Though some Farkers will.



FOIA = Only applies to Federal government.

Public records laws are passed at the state level, and vary from state to state.

I love it when idiots spew on like they know the law.  You don't.
 
2013-05-12 08:34:51 PM

7th Son of a 7th Son: God--: I think she was arrested for prostitution

Ewwwww....someone would actually pay for that?


As bad as she is, she's still better than subby's mom.
 
2013-05-12 08:36:43 PM

ciberido: thamike: shoegaze99: The comments on that article are ... wow.

God bless the Internet, where bigots no longer need to worry about shame.

Hell, bigots can even be bronies and furries on the internet.

I'm waiting for the fronies to appear.


I think I saw Brick-House posting.
 
2013-05-12 08:37:24 PM

Slaxl: Schools should teach kids how to behave and what repercussions they can expect in the real world. What she should have done is taken him into her office and said, "what that is, is libel, do you know what that is? It's very serious, you could go to jail over it, so delete it, and replace it with an apology that sets everything straight and we'll go about our day". Kid learns, she gets what she wants, we don't have to read a terribly written article... but wait, guess what? Tired yet? There's, like, more! Gah, fark off!


Someone should have done that for you so you would understand that libel is a civil matter, not criminal. You don't get arrested or jailed for libel. You get sued by the person who thinks s/he has been libeled.
 
2013-05-12 08:37:28 PM
I love all the law GEDs in here who think that merely prefacing something defamatory with "I think" grants you total immunity.

From Milkovich v. Lorain Journal: "[W]e do not think this passage fromGertz was intended to create a wholesale defamation exemption for anything that might be labeled "opinion."...Not only would such an interpretation be contrary to the tenor and context of the passage, but it would also ignore the fact that expressions of "opinion" may often imply an assertion of objective fact."
If a speaker says, "In my opinion John Jones is a liar," he implies a knowledge of facts which lead to the conclusion that Jones told an untruth. Even if the speaker states the facts upon which he bases his opinion, if those facts are either incorrect or incomplete, or if his assessment of them is erroneous, the statement may still imply a false assertion of fact. Simply couching such statements in terms of opinion does not dispel these implications; and the statement, "In my opinion Jones is a liar," can cause as much damage to reputation as the statement, "Jones is a liar."

 
And of course, the key: "Unlike a subjective assertion, the averred defamatory language is an articulation of an objectively verifiable event."
Whether the principal was arrested for a DUI or not is an objectively verifiable event. Saying "I  think she was arrested for a DUI" and attempting to claim it's merely an opinion is not going to absolve you of liability.
 
2013-05-12 08:38:48 PM
In another thread I jokingly suspected there is a secret competition going on amongst school Principals coast to coast on who can be the Biggest Douchebag Principal of the Year.

Now, I'm starting to suspect that such a competition is real and is happening.
 
2013-05-12 08:42:20 PM
Articles like this are so annoying. Just report what happened, you're not clever.
 
2013-05-12 08:50:39 PM

Theaetetus: I love all the law GEDs in here who think that merely prefacing something defamatory with "I think" grants you total immunity.


Dude, this is fark, where people post commentary on articles and random shiat. I didn't see anyone proclaim to be a law professor or be something more than what they are, so no need to denigrate them. Maybe technically he could face legal consequences for committing the act of libel. Who knows. What do you really think the probability of that would be though? If we see a followup of this where she files suit and he is found liable, I'll send you $1,000. It ain't gonna happen.
 
2013-05-12 08:55:36 PM
That article was garbage.
 
2013-05-12 09:04:00 PM

fnordfocus: rattchett: Popcorn Johnny: He's guilty of libel so the little shiat is lucky he's getting off with a suspension.

When was he found guilty of libel?  Or do you mean you think he has libeled the principal?  Kind of like the student said he thinks the principal was arrested for DUI.

The principal probably qualifies as a public figure, so the standards for proving libel are pretty high.


If she didn't qualify as a public figure before, she sure as hell does now.

Bathia_Mapes: namatad: I thought that Keandre Varner is a child rapist and has been known to eat babies.
This isn't libel because I am only thinking it. I am not saying that he is. But I think it would explain a lot.

/lol

Can someone explain to me how you are arrested and processed (mug shot) for "She had been arrested for missing a court appearance that merely concerned a speeding ticket. "?

nothing personal, but a society which arrests you for that needs to be burned to the ground and start all over.

It's not uncommon for judges to issue a bench warrant for FTA (failure to appear).


In general, bench warrants are only issued if you are legally required to appear for trial for the charge.  You aren't allowed to just pay a fine and get on with your life.  These are usually more serious offences like driving on a suspended license, DWI, racing, etc.  For other offences they just suspend your license and move on.

If I had to guess I would guess she failed to appear for a minor offence, got her license suspended, then got caught driving on a suspended license.
 
2013-05-12 09:17:52 PM
It is good to see that the American school system is making sure to educate children as to what happens to whistle-blowers in our society.
 
2013-05-12 09:18:57 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, let's see:

1. Get busted and a kid posts your mugshot: Keep your mouth shut, and a few dozen kids know about it;

2. Get busted and raise a stink, take it out on the kid:  Story goes viral, and 500 million people know about it.

That about get it?
 
2013-05-12 09:29:34 PM

FirstNationalBastard: If hot teachers can be fired for having bikini pics found by students, dumb Principals should also be fired for having mugshots.


Its because the people doing the firing are angry dipshiats who would cause people to scream in horror if the wore a bikini.  If you haven't noticed people in charge rarely get fired unless they have talked bad about the invisible man in the sky or capitalism or some other thing you can't talk bad about.  The rules don't apply to them unless enough people get their panties in bunch.  Then its 50/50 if they are penalized for their bad and unethical Beauvoir.   This chick managed to sweep her bad behaviour under the rug and is simply pissed that the internet has made her idiotic decision to ignore the court public knowledge.  She doesn't care about the kid, indeed most people who seek leadership are sociopaths.  But you assholes keep supporting them.
 
2013-05-12 09:41:37 PM
Can't believe anyone thinks the kid is in the right on this.  Yes, the principal is a nutcase but the kid DOES deserve some sort of punishment for the false allegation.
 
2013-05-12 09:42:25 PM
The cover up is almost always worse than the crime.
 
2013-05-12 09:45:14 PM

NephilimNexus: It is good to see that the American school system is making sure to educate children as to what happens to whistle-blowers in our society.


THIS.

He will grow up angry and bitter, and become a freedom fighter.  Good training in the long run.
 
2013-05-12 09:51:34 PM

namegoeshere: Something tells me this principal is about to be introduced to the Streisand Effect.


So much THIS. I could also see people adorning themselves with t-shirts with said mugshot.
 
2013-05-12 10:23:36 PM
You know, it's pretty f*cking amazing how many times Obama's name came up in the comments.

WHAT THE F*CK?
 
2013-05-12 10:27:41 PM

Theaetetus: I love all the law GEDs in here who think that merely prefacing something defamatory with "I think" grants you total immunity.


So, there WILL be a lawsuit filed? And it WILL go somewhere? And an award will be granted, or settlement reached?

DO GO ON. No, please, go the f*ck on. We're all listening.
 
2013-05-12 10:47:31 PM

Kimothy: FirstNationalBastard: If hot teachers can be fired for having bikini pics found by students, dumb Principals should also be fired for having mugshots.

I don't support firing teachers for having a private life, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You are absolutely correct - administrators should be held to an even higher standard than teachers.

Besides, this administrator is clearly a bully and an imbecile who doesn't understand student rights.


I was told by my principal that I didn't have any rights in school. And the good conduct policy got rid of a lot of my rights outside of school.
 
2013-05-12 11:10:04 PM

puffy999: Theaetetus: I love all the law GEDs in here who think that merely prefacing something defamatory with "I think" grants you total immunity.

So, there WILL be a lawsuit filed? And it WILL go somewhere? And an award will be granted, or settlement reached?

DO GO ON. No, please, go the f*ck on. We're all listening.


Did I say any of that? No? Are you finished making a fool out of yourself, or would you like to continue?
 
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