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2013-05-12 12:49:04 PM
in a pinch you can take Immodium plus white grapefruit juice
 
2013-05-12 12:53:30 PM
It's almost as if prohibition doesn't work at all.
 
2013-05-12 01:12:29 PM
One state?
 
2013-05-12 01:18:05 PM

PreMortem: One state?


teh state of agony
 
2013-05-12 01:19:06 PM
This could make Limbaugh's show much more interesting
 
2013-05-12 01:29:04 PM
No shiat? Well I'll be damned, I did not see that coming. I guess we'll have to make heroin illegal too.
 
2013-05-12 01:38:03 PM
WTF is wrong with people that can't handle other people doing drugs?  It's a sickness deeper than heroin addiction.
 
2013-05-12 02:03:26 PM

Marcus Aurelius: WTF is wrong with people that can't handle other people doing drugs?  It's a sickness deeper than heroin addiction.


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2013-05-12 02:04:34 PM

Marcus Aurelius: WTF is wrong with people that can't handle other people doing drugs?  It's a sickness deeper than heroin addiction.


it's not drugs that's the problem.  it's drugs

see there's a difference
see drugs are legal
and drugs are Schedule I
 
2013-05-12 02:09:10 PM

Marcus Aurelius: WTF is wrong with people that can't handle other people doing drugs?  It's a sickness deeper than heroin addiction.


I have no issue with people doing drugs that don't present a problem to society.  Weed, psychedelics, adderral, etc, what have you.

On the other hand addicts of heroin, crack, meth, bath salts, etc, seem much more likely to turn to a life of crime to support their habits, or who become violent and rampage-y due to the effects of the drug.  Plus, with the injectable drugs you have the issue of the spread of disease through dirty needles.

Just legalize the soft stuff already and most people will go the route of least resistance and just use that, not taking the risks with the harder stuff.
 
2013-05-12 02:23:38 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Marcus Aurelius: WTF is wrong with people that can't handle other people doing drugs?  It's a sickness deeper than heroin addiction.

I have no issue with people doing drugs that don't present a problem to society.  Weed, psychedelics, adderral, etc, what have you.

On the other hand addicts of heroin, crack, meth, bath salts, etc, seem much more likely to turn to a life of crime to support their habits, or who become violent and rampage-y due to the effects of the drug.  Plus, with the injectable drugs you have the issue of the spread of disease through dirty needles.

Just legalize the soft stuff already and most people will go the route of least resistance and just use that, not taking the risks with the harder stuff.


It would be one thing if keeping the hard drugs illegal actually worked to curb their usage, decrease availability, increase costs, reduce needle diseases, and ultimately keep people from ever needing to turn to violence to support their habit. But prohibition has done none of that, it's actually made much of it worse. Billions and billions of dollars and untold numbers of lives lost later.
 
2013-05-12 02:44:24 PM

violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: Marcus Aurelius: WTF is wrong with people that can't handle other people doing drugs?  It's a sickness deeper than heroin addiction.

I have no issue with people doing drugs that don't present a problem to society.  Weed, psychedelics, adderral, etc, what have you.

On the other hand addicts of heroin, crack, meth, bath salts, etc, seem much more likely to turn to a life of crime to support their habits, or who become violent and rampage-y due to the effects of the drug.  Plus, with the injectable drugs you have the issue of the spread of disease through dirty needles.

Just legalize the soft stuff already and most people will go the route of least resistance and just use that, not taking the risks with the harder stuff.

It would be one thing if keeping the hard drugs illegal actually worked to curb their usage, decrease availability, increase costs, reduce needle diseases, and ultimately keep people from ever needing to turn to violence to support their habit. But prohibition has done none of that, it's actually made much of it worse. Billions and billions of dollars and untold numbers of lives lost later.


Once someone is addicted they're not likely going to care about the law to keep getting their fix, and you are right that prohibition has in no way prevented people from finding ways to get illicit substances.  I do believe that were heroin legal more people would use it though - keeping it black market does prevent those who aren't motivated enough to seek it out from giving it a try.

We've also never tried widespread legalization of soft drugs.  It will be interesting to see what data comes out of CO and WA about hard drug usage once the marijuana legalization framework is complete and you can just buy it at the corner store.  I fully believe that given the option, most people will just go for what they can get the easiest - see alcohol use vs. drug use today.  Give people a way to get high legally and safely, and they'll opt for that instead of the great risk for getting the hard stuff (well, those already addicted to the hard stuff won't likely suddenly switch to weed, but in time those people will filter out of the data).
 
2013-05-12 03:52:13 PM
Great Job 0bummer.  Raiding the legitimate job makers' businesses so you can fund your Muslim brothers in the Taliban.
 
2013-05-12 03:52:21 PM
Ummmm, drugs are bad.
 
2013-05-12 04:00:49 PM

Marcus Aurelius: WTF is wrong with people that can't handle other people doing drugs?  It's a sickness deeper than heroin addiction.


Besides antibiotics (which lead to resistance, which does harm the community), I don't see why they are so tightly controlled.
 
2013-05-12 04:02:58 PM

machoprogrammer: Marcus Aurelius: WTF is wrong with people that can't handle other people doing drugs?  It's a sickness deeper than heroin addiction.

Besides antibiotics (which lead to resistance, which does harm the community), I don't see why they are so tightly controlled.


because they make you dizzy and nausious.  however making them illegal makes them more addictive.  thus making it harder to secure employment.  this is good for the music industry.
 
2013-05-12 04:04:06 PM

PreMortem: One state?


Nah it's happening in Kentucky too....cause there was that whole pill pipeline from Florida. Seriously I've known people to go down there,come back with huge bottles of oxy 80's and xanax and then sell those 80's here in Ky for $70-80 a pill.
 
2013-05-12 04:06:08 PM
So curing the cause but not the symptom is off the table again.

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2013-05-12 04:07:44 PM

A Terrible Human: PreMortem: One state?

Nah it's happening in Kentucky too....cause there was that whole pill pipeline from Florida. Seriously I've known people to go down there,come back with huge bottles of oxy 80's and xanax and then sell those 80's here in Ky for $70-80 a pill.


And they say crime doesn't pay.
 
2013-05-12 04:09:53 PM

A Terrible Human: PreMortem: One state?

Nah it's happening in Kentucky too....cause there was that whole pill pipeline from Florida. Seriously I've known people to go down there,come back with huge bottles of oxy 80's and xanax and then sell those 80's here in Ky for $70-80 a pill.


Did they finally crack down on the pill mills in Florida? That was just crazy for several years and nobody was doing anything about it...
 
2013-05-12 04:10:49 PM

randomjsa: And they say crime doesn't pay.


Well it certianly does when you have a group of people pool their money together to make the trip and everyone going visits a shady pain clinic. That bottle of oxy's I mentioned? There was 90-120 in that bottle. At just 90 that is $7,200 if they're sold for $80 a piece AND THAT'S JUST FROM ONE BOTTLE. o.o
 
2013-05-12 04:12:06 PM

BigLuca: A Terrible Human: PreMortem: One state?

Nah it's happening in Kentucky too....cause there was that whole pill pipeline from Florida. Seriously I've known people to go down there,come back with huge bottles of oxy 80's and xanax and then sell those 80's here in Ky for $70-80 a pill.

Did they finally crack down on the pill mills in Florida? That was just crazy for several years and nobody was doing anything about it...


Or I could, you know, just rtfa I guess...
 
2013-05-12 04:13:22 PM

Marcus Aurelius: WTF is wrong with people that can't handle other people doing drugs?  It's a sickness deeper than heroin addiction.


The taxpayers are given the burden of funding their medical costs from their farked up drugs, and now we want universal healthcare on top of it incase we didn't get the last 5% already
 
2013-05-12 04:15:52 PM
The hard drug addicts also lead to a tremendous about of child neglect and abuse.

Legalizing isn't going to fix that, even if you lace the smack and oxy with contraceptives.
 
2013-05-12 04:15:52 PM
Lemme guess here, this is one of those states that was happily dispensing highly dangerous and addictive pills while punishing potsmokers, right?

/dnrtfa
 
2013-05-12 04:17:25 PM
RIP Pall Mall
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2013-05-12 04:17:29 PM

Marcus Aurelius: WTF is wrong with people that can't handle other people doing drugs?  It's a sickness deeper than heroin addiction.


Because they are the same people who are having giant broods and advocate against legalization of marijuana.If you need non-prescribed pills to make it through the day then you are one sad, sack of shiat. While I advocate for legalizing mary jane, if you need it to make it through the day, then you are also a shiat sack of sadness.

It is truly a sad state of being to live in an we, as a society, should really question the psychological impact of our daily surrounding which lead people to these decisions.

But the population would much rather pop some pills and pound some brewskis.
 
2013-05-12 04:18:07 PM

Marcus Aurelius: WTF is wrong with people that can't handle other people doing drugs?  It's a sickness deeper than heroin addiction.


Good farking point!  people are obsessed with what others injest or do with their genitals.

WHY ARE farkING MORALISTS OBSESSED WITH DRUGS AND GENITALS?!?!??! PERVERTS
 
2013-05-12 04:27:32 PM
There goes the quality control.
 
2013-05-12 04:27:45 PM
The only thing I snort anymore is baby powder fron the cheeks of ladies behinds.
 
2013-05-12 04:28:53 PM
Oh good.

At least they won't fry their livers like they will with Oxy and Lortab, and the problems can be reversed with NARCAN a lot easier.
 
2013-05-12 04:29:17 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: This could make Limbaugh's show much more interesting


Really, I'd like a PPV to watch him OD.
 
2013-05-12 04:30:49 PM

GarretSidzaka: Marcus Aurelius: WTF is wrong with people that can't handle other people doing drugs?  It's a sickness deeper than heroin addiction.

Good farking point!  people are obsessed with what others injest or do with their genitals.

WHY ARE farkING MORALISTS OBSESSED WITH DRUGS AND GENITALS?!?!??! PERVERTS


They are people who are against pleasure and they are people I don't care to associate with.
Maybe there is a correlation between their hatred of drugs and their hatred of genitals.
"Don't inject erogenous tissue and don't fark poppies!" would be a good motto for them. It would make as much sense as anything else they propose.

I am Cam and I endorse this nonsense.
 
2013-05-12 04:31:19 PM
That's some fine police work, Sisyphus.
 
2013-05-12 04:31:20 PM
The government should just sell the drugs laced with poison and then sell it to all that want it.  It will depopulate Florida in a week.
 
2013-05-12 04:35:04 PM

machoprogrammer: Besides antibiotics (which lead to resistance, which does harm the community), I don't see why they are so tightly controlled.


Because back in the old days, before the Pure Food, Drug, and Cosmetic act of 1907, people used to put Heroin, Morphine, and Cocaine into everything and call it a cure for X, Y, and Z, and it would not only mask the symptoms of serious issues, but also cause them to die from overdose. People would get abdominal pain, dose themselves with a little morphine, and die two days later of a ruptured appendix.

The fact people who did not need long-term or high-level pain control were getting addicted to morphine, codeine and heroin didn't help either.

The whole idea of regulating prescriptions of narcotics to trained physicians and intermediate providers is that they can not only diagnose and treat underlying conditions causing the pain, but that they have the training and ability to prescribe the right drug for the right condition. In addition, some drugs that are schedule II can only safely be used in a setting where the person can be constantly monitored by a trained provider who has access to medications that can treat side effects and reactions.
 
2013-05-12 04:36:23 PM

TuteTibiImperes: - keeping it black market does prevent those who aren't motivated enough to seek it out from giving it a try.


See how wrong you are.

TuteTibiImperes: Once someone is addicted they're not likely going to care about the law to keep getting their fix,


My guess is, you've never even licked the sweat off of a champagne bottle. Am I right? Never woken up in a drunk tank some counties over. You tell me about the Law once you deal with it, cup-cake.
 
2013-05-12 04:36:57 PM

BigLuca: A Terrible Human: PreMortem: One state?

Nah it's happening in Kentucky too....cause there was that whole pill pipeline from Florida. Seriously I've known people to go down there,come back with huge bottles of oxy 80's and xanax and then sell those 80's here in Ky for $70-80 a pill.

Did they finally crack down on the pill mills in Florida? That was just crazy for several years and nobody was doing anything about it...


Yes, that's what TFA is about. Pills are now hard to get and expensive. So heroin starts looking like the better option. And that's farked up.
 
2013-05-12 04:37:50 PM

GarretSidzaka: WHY ARE farkING MORALISTS OBSESSED WITH DRUGS AND GENITALS?!?!??! PERVERTS


God watches you while you orgasm to make sure you're doing it the correct way and not for pleasure.

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EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
 
2013-05-12 04:38:40 PM

namegoeshere: BigLuca: A Terrible Human: PreMortem: One state?

Nah it's happening in Kentucky too....cause there was that whole pill pipeline from Florida. Seriously I've known people to go down there,come back with huge bottles of oxy 80's and xanax and then sell those 80's here in Ky for $70-80 a pill.

Did they finally crack down on the pill mills in Florida? That was just crazy for several years and nobody was doing anything about it...

Yes, that's what TFA is about. Pills are now hard to get and expensive. So heroin starts looking like the better option. And that's farked up.


Not really, no. It's far safer for someone to party hard on Heroin than it is the combination pain control drugs that are commonly traded on the street, like Lortab or Oxy. The tylenol in them will fry your liver.
 
2013-05-12 04:45:22 PM

FrancoFile: Legalizing isn't going to fix that, even if you lace the smack and oxy with contraceptives.


It might not fix anything, but I really like this idea.
 
2013-05-12 04:50:08 PM

MalvolioMandarin: TuteTibiImperes: - keeping it black market does prevent those who aren't motivated enough to seek it out from giving it a try.

See how wrong you are.


If you make something more accessible, more people are going to try it, it's just common sense.  If there were baggies of heroin on the counter at CVS people might just pick one up after a bad day or out of curiosity.  Right now if you told me you'd give me $1,000 bucks if I could score a bag of heroin, I'd have absolutely no clue where to go about getting it.

TuteTibiImperes: Once someone is addicted they're not likely going to care about the law to keep getting their fix,

My guess is, you've never even licked the sweat off of a champagne bottle. Am I right? Never woken up in a drunk tank some counties over. You tell me about the Law once you deal with it, cup-cake.


Um, no, no I haven't.  I try to live within the law more or less.  What I said was that those who are already addicted aren't likely to think twice about breaking the law to get their fix, what did your comment have to do with that?
 
2013-05-12 05:08:41 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Once someone is addicted they're not likely going to care about the law to keep getting their fix, and you are right that prohibition has in no way prevented people from finding ways to get illicit substances.  I do believe that were heroin legal more people would use it though - keeping it black market does prevent those who aren't motivated enough to seek it out from giving it a try.


Exactly. The only people who still drank alcohol in the 20s were the alcoholics. And there were zero unintended consequences that came along for the ride when it was banned. Prohibition has proven itself to be an absolutely sound policy every time it has been tried.

I suppose I should state that the entire paragraph above is sarcasm since I am talking to a prohibitionist. You guys aren't exactly known for being intellectual giants after all.
 
2013-05-12 05:11:16 PM

namegoeshere: BigLuca: A Terrible Human: PreMortem: One state?

Nah it's happening in Kentucky too....cause there was that whole pill pipeline from Florida. Seriously I've known people to go down there,come back with huge bottles of oxy 80's and xanax and then sell those 80's here in Ky for $70-80 a pill.

Did they finally crack down on the pill mills in Florida? That was just crazy for several years and nobody was doing anything about it...

Yes, that's what TFA is about. Pills are now hard to get and expensive. So heroin starts looking like the better option. And that's farked up.


The same kind of pill mill crack down happened in Kentucky too and the cops act so shocked that suddenly heroin is popping up. Give me a farking break.
 
2013-05-12 05:12:36 PM

TuteTibiImperes: We've also never tried widespread legalization of soft drugs.


They haven't always been illegal, you know.
 
2013-05-12 05:13:53 PM

TuteTibiImperes: it's just common sense.


Citation needed. Did you know that you can get high by huffing gasoline and many other household products? The number of people doing so must make the number of heroin users look like a drop in the bucket since those substances are so easily available. It's just common sense
 
2013-05-12 05:14:54 PM
Eddie Adams from Torrance: It's almost as if prohibition doesn't work at all.

As Albert Einstein once said "The very definition of insanity is to repeat the same experiment over and over expecting a different result each time"
 
2013-05-12 05:15:04 PM

hardinparamedic: machoprogrammer: Besides antibiotics (which lead to resistance, which does harm the community), I don't see why they are so tightly controlled.

Because back in the old days, before the Pure Food, Drug, and Cosmetic act of 1907, people used to put Heroin, Morphine, and Cocaine into everything and call it a cure for X, Y, and Z, and it would not only mask the symptoms of serious issues, but also cause them to die from overdose. People would get abdominal pain, dose themselves with a little morphine, and die two days later of a ruptured appendix.

The fact people who did not need long-term or high-level pain control were getting addicted to morphine, codeine and heroin didn't help either.

The whole idea of regulating prescriptions of narcotics to trained physicians and intermediate providers is that they can not only diagnose and treat underlying conditions causing the pain, but that they have the training and ability to prescribe the right drug for the right condition. In addition, some drugs that are schedule II can only safely be used in a setting where the person can be constantly monitored by a trained provider who has access to medications that can treat side effects and reactions.


THIS

When it comes to strong painkillers, restricting access, shutting down pill mills, etc. is not prohibition, it's regulation. No different than requiring prescriptions for antibiotics.
 
2013-05-12 05:16:10 PM

A Terrible Human: The same kind of pill mill crack down happened in Kentucky too and the cops act so shocked that suddenly heroin is popping up. Give me a farking break.


The pill mills popped up down here in FL when they cracked down on heroin.

And now that damned song about the monkey chasing the weasle is in my head.

/"Dah-dahdah-dahdahdahdahdah"
 
2013-05-12 05:18:57 PM

umad: Citation needed. Did you know that you can get high by huffing gasoline and many other household products? The number of people doing so must make the number of heroin users look like a drop in the bucket since those substances are so easily available. It's just common sense


Well, in fairness, one of these highs is not like the others.  (Not disagreeing with your point, you understand.)
 
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