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(Digital Spy)   The twenty-five greatest movie villains of all time. Why so serious?   (digitalspy.com) divider line 15
    More: Scary, Darth Vader, Joker, villains, Heath Ledger, J.J. Abrams  
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2013-05-12 09:37:20 AM  
4 votes:
Deslided version for people who actually want to read the article:

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2013-05-12 12:18:54 PM  
2 votes:

RoyBatty: Huh? Roy Batty wasn't the villain.


I don't know why they would have called Roy Batty the villain.  There's really no traditional hero or villain in Blade Runner as all of the characters are flawed with good and bad qualities (with the possible exception of the childlike and pretty innocent Rachel).  Rick Deckard is more of a villain than Batty (even more so if you believe Deckard is a replicant).
2013-05-12 08:21:29 AM  
2 votes:
List is missing Vincent Price. The could have used any one of these three villains:
4.bp.blogspot.com
www.angelfire.com

25.media.tumblr.com
2013-05-13 04:29:07 AM  
1 votes:
www.follow-me-now.de
2013-05-12 07:44:44 PM  
1 votes:
I dunno, Fano. We're usually on the same page, but this time...

Fano: Ledger's Joker was perfect for the Nolanverse.


In as much as I think the Nolanverse has as much to do with Batman as Die Hard, I don't even think Ledger's portrayal fit that universe. Joker isn't a nihilist and nihilism isn't something Batman generally deals with. Joker doesn't have agendas, he has punchlines. And Joker doesn't set up weighted dilemmas - that's Two Face (which makes that plotline all the more out of place in that movie).

Joker is a sadist and a delusional psychopath. He's dangerous to everyone around him and he's obsessed with Batman. Joker does what he does because he thinks it's funny - he doesn't care about the outcome beyond his joke being ruined and it certainly doesn't go to further some grander scheme. He doesn't think that far ahead. He can't. Joker is so crazy, not even *HE* knows what he's going to do. He's equally likely to kiss you gently on the lips as eat your face off.

Hamill's Joker is the Joker to end all Jokers - you're damned right about that. After that, I give equal props to Caeser and Jack. Caeser's captures the 'Clown Prince of Crime" part, where he's actually funny, enjoys a good laugh and is actually a thief and not just a murderer. And Jack's focuses on Joke's sadistic side, and how mean-spirited his sense of humor is.

None of that was evident in Ledger's portrayal.
2013-05-12 07:17:17 PM  
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: FirstNationalBastard: doglover: Heath Ledger's Joker was nice, but if he hadn't died no one would remember.

Not to mention, he wasn't playing The Joker.

Could you see Ledger's Joker creating and using Joker Fish?

No?

Then he's not The Joker, just some LOOK AT ME, I'M CRAAAAAAAAAZY attention whore in bad make-up... kind of like a Jersey Shore castmember.

Normally we're on the same page on comic things-but you are wrong about Heath Ledgers Joker. Nolan's films weren't the traditional comic style adaptations, they were interpretations of the mythology that kept the spirit of the characters. For example: Ras still "came back from the dead" but in a more logical way. He also had the same burn earth tactics on solving a problem, except it was on crime...not the ecology.

So in that context, Ledgers Joker was perfect. And not only that, he was actually pretty dam funny in a wrong way.


Ledger's Joker was perfect for the Nolanverse. Shame he died so he couldn't be used in part III. The movie might have been good if it was, seeing Joker as an unstable element between two major forces that "Have A Plan." One of my favorite moments in Dark Knight is when Joker is walking away from the hospital, and keeps pressing a non-working detonator, and then sprinting in surprise when the bomb finally goes off. Nice touch.

Now, I've been a shameless huckster for Hamill's Joker since I started posting on Fark. He really was the "Joker for All Seasons." In some ways it's unfair to the other guys, though. He got to play Joker in tons of appearances throughout the DCAU. For that reason, he had a better chance to explore the many facets of the Joker. Cesar Romero would have been next in appearances, but it was during the campy show that was only going to allow one version.Heck, Hamill got to play essentially that in the Dick Sprang section of the episode where 3 kids tell stories of Batman from 3 perspectives.  From goofy and silly, to seriously, cunningly evil, Hamill Joker wins. Hell, he would win on Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker alone. It helped that he had character of Harley Quinn to play off of. Joker's Favor was one of the best depictions of how Joker's insanity affects other people, with a brilliant ending regarding Joker's psychology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC8THtokVdg  Hamill himself gives a lot of credit to Ledger and the writers for a GOOD, ORIGINAL, take on the Joker. I myself cannot fault the Ledger Joker as not the "real" Joker, for Pete's sake he is the originator of the "multiple choice past." I can't think of any other villain as infinitely malleable as the Joker in all of literature, except maybe Satan.

Still, you know this is what us nerds wanted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7XHMR3n0WY Many of us know damn good and well that Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill will be the voice we hear in our heads as we read comics even into the old age home.

Nicholson's Joker was Jack in greasepaint. But, it was awesome because it kicked off a craze for comic book movies that hasn't ended. (Wall of text getting too long but my biggest beef with this Joker was that they retconned the origin story to be mutual, so that Batman is facing a Joker 15 years his senior. It set the tone for rewriting too many stories so that the hero/villain have shared origin)

And with that, the reward for reading my rambling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpPC3w1mjYo
2013-05-12 04:07:50 PM  
1 votes:

RoyBatty: Huh? Roy Batty wasn't the villain.


Well YOU would say that.
2013-05-12 02:56:38 PM  
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: doglover: Heath Ledger's Joker was nice, but if he hadn't died no one would remember.

Not to mention, he wasn't playing The Joker.

Could you see Ledger's Joker creating and using Joker Fish?

No?

Then he's not The Joker, just some LOOK AT ME, I'M CRAAAAAAAAAZY attention whore in bad make-up... kind of like a Jersey Shore castmember.




Normally we're on the same page on comic things-but you are wrong about Heath Ledgers Joker. Nolan's films weren't the traditional comic style adaptations, they were interpretations of the mythology that kept the spirit of the characters. For example: Ras still "came back from the dead" but in a more logical way. He also had the same burn earth tactics on solving a problem, except it was on crime...not the ecology.

So in that context, Ledgers Joker was perfect. And not only that, he was actually pretty dam funny in a wrong way.
2013-05-12 01:01:09 PM  
1 votes:
Missing:

www.seraphicpress.com

graphic-engine.swarthmore.edu

upload.wikimedia.org

www.filmeducation.org

majorspoilers.com
2013-05-12 12:47:07 PM  
1 votes:
We've had some really good villains recently: Anton Chigurgh in No Country for Old Men and The Joker in The Dark Knight were perfect and easily belong in the same leagues as Hannibal Lecter and HAL.

That being said, they all pale in comparison to the one and only Darth Vader.
2013-05-12 11:01:13 AM  
1 votes:
Meh.  The list was made by someone immersed in current pop culture.  No Max Schreck Nosferatu?  Seriously?

Also missing Francis:

24.media.tumblr.com
2013-05-12 09:32:24 AM  
1 votes:
Heath Ledger's Joker was nice, but if he hadn't died no one would remember.
2013-05-12 09:25:00 AM  
1 votes:
No Pinhead?
2013-05-12 08:13:44 AM  
1 votes:
The real villain is whoever decided that it would be a good idea to put 97 popover ads on that page.
2013-05-12 08:04:18 AM  
1 votes:
Okay, gotta ask one question: Am I the only one who thinks they should've used Donald Pleasance for the Blofeld slide?  I mean, he's the one Dr. Evil is inspired by, he's the first one, and he's not in the movie that people actively try not to watch.  (Not that Savalas is bad, but he's just not the one I associate with the role.)
 
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