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2013-05-12 08:04:18 AM
Okay, gotta ask one question: Am I the only one who thinks they should've used Donald Pleasance for the Blofeld slide?  I mean, he's the one Dr. Evil is inspired by, he's the first one, and he's not in the movie that people actively try not to watch.  (Not that Savalas is bad, but he's just not the one I associate with the role.)
 
2013-05-12 08:13:44 AM
The real villain is whoever decided that it would be a good idea to put 97 popover ads on that page.
 
2013-05-12 08:21:29 AM
List is missing Vincent Price. The could have used any one of these three villains:
4.bp.blogspot.com
www.angelfire.com

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-12 08:23:32 AM

FriarReb98: Okay, gotta ask one question: Am I the only one who thinks they should've used Donald Pleasance for the Blofeld slide?  I mean, he's the one Dr. Evil is inspired by, he's the first one, and he's not in the movie that people actively try not to watch.  (Not that Savalas is bad, but he's just not the one I associate with the role.)


Oh, Pleasance for the win, fersure.
 
2013-05-12 09:25:00 AM
No Pinhead?
 
2013-05-12 09:32:24 AM
Heath Ledger's Joker was nice, but if he hadn't died no one would remember.
 
2013-05-12 09:37:20 AM
Deslided version for people who actually want to read the article:

http://desli.de/S9D
 
2013-05-12 09:46:24 AM
The wicked witch of the west? Farking really!?
 
2013-05-12 09:54:35 AM
Live action Lex Luthor? Really?
 
2013-05-12 09:55:34 AM

texdent: Live action Lex Luthor? Really?


That's just because of the new movie being released soon. Otherwise, who gives a fark about Superman?
 
2013-05-12 10:01:44 AM
This is a very "nerd-centric" list.
 
2013-05-12 10:20:41 AM
The Jaws shark wasn't a villian.
 
2013-05-12 10:45:36 AM

2wolves: The Jaws shark wasn't a villian.


Even when it pretended to be the pizza guy?
 
2013-05-12 11:01:13 AM
Meh.  The list was made by someone immersed in current pop culture.  No Max Schreck Nosferatu?  Seriously?

Also missing Francis:

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-12 11:16:30 AM

ajgeek: The wicked witch of the west? Farking really!?


I know, right? Any list of the greatest anything in movie history should be restricted to the last 20 years.
 
2013-05-12 11:48:26 AM
Huh? Roy Batty wasn't the villain.
 
2013-05-12 12:00:04 PM

2wolves: The Jaws shark wasn't a villian.


Sure he was. He wasn't just a hungry shark. He aggressively chased down Quint's boat because he was pissed.
 
2013-05-12 12:18:54 PM

RoyBatty: Huh? Roy Batty wasn't the villain.


I don't know why they would have called Roy Batty the villain.  There's really no traditional hero or villain in Blade Runner as all of the characters are flawed with good and bad qualities (with the possible exception of the childlike and pretty innocent Rachel).  Rick Deckard is more of a villain than Batty (even more so if you believe Deckard is a replicant).
 
2013-05-12 12:47:07 PM
We've had some really good villains recently: Anton Chigurgh in No Country for Old Men and The Joker in The Dark Knight were perfect and easily belong in the same leagues as Hannibal Lecter and HAL.

That being said, they all pale in comparison to the one and only Darth Vader.
 
2013-05-12 12:49:26 PM

slayer199: RoyBatty: Huh? Roy Batty wasn't the villain.

I don't know why they would have called Roy Batty the villain.  There's really no traditional hero or villain in Blade Runner as all of the characters are flawed with good and bad qualities (with the possible exception of the childlike and pretty innocent Rachel).  Rick Deckard is more of a villain than Batty (even more so if you believe Deckard is a replicant).


The villain in Blade Runner is the Tyrell Corporation as a proxy for mankind's disdain for the lives of others.
 
2013-05-12 01:00:43 PM
fc07.deviantart.net
Red Foreman
 
2013-05-12 01:01:09 PM
Missing:

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graphic-engine.swarthmore.edu

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www.filmeducation.org

majorspoilers.com
 
2013-05-12 01:12:15 PM

doglover: Heath Ledger's Joker was nice, but if he hadn't died no one would remember.


Not to mention, he wasn't playing The Joker.

Could you see Ledger's Joker creating and using Joker Fish?

No?

Then he's not The Joker, just some LOOK AT ME, I'M CRAAAAAAAAAZY attention whore in bad make-up... kind of like a Jersey Shore castmember.
 
2013-05-12 02:25:03 PM
www.toptenz.net
 
2013-05-12 02:56:38 PM

FirstNationalBastard: doglover: Heath Ledger's Joker was nice, but if he hadn't died no one would remember.

Not to mention, he wasn't playing The Joker.

Could you see Ledger's Joker creating and using Joker Fish?

No?

Then he's not The Joker, just some LOOK AT ME, I'M CRAAAAAAAAAZY attention whore in bad make-up... kind of like a Jersey Shore castmember.




Normally we're on the same page on comic things-but you are wrong about Heath Ledgers Joker. Nolan's films weren't the traditional comic style adaptations, they were interpretations of the mythology that kept the spirit of the characters. For example: Ras still "came back from the dead" but in a more logical way. He also had the same burn earth tactics on solving a problem, except it was on crime...not the ecology.

So in that context, Ledgers Joker was perfect. And not only that, he was actually pretty dam funny in a wrong way.
 
2013-05-12 04:07:50 PM

RoyBatty: Huh? Roy Batty wasn't the villain.


Well YOU would say that.
 
2013-05-12 04:11:39 PM

Darth_Lukecash: So in that context, Ledgers Joker was perfect. And not only that, he was actually pretty dam funny in a wrong way.


I thought it was a great performance, much better than Jack's. And I'm not saying that because he's dead. Mark Hamill's take on it was closer to the book but equally good.

John Buck 41: RoyBatty: Huh? Roy Batty wasn't the villain.

Well YOU would say that.


And he killed Lo Pan for basically no reason, I would say that makes him somewhat of a villain.
 
2013-05-12 04:17:29 PM
What about corporations in film, such as Weyland-Utani (Alien/Aliens) or Umbrella (Resident Evil)? Honorable mentions should also go to: Belloq in Raiders of the Lost Arkand James Remar's character in 48 Hrs. Also, Freddy and Michael Myers are on the list, but no Jason Voorhees?
 
2013-05-12 04:42:36 PM

Torgo_of_Manos: [fc07.deviantart.net image 850x855]
Red Foreman


The only reason this list is wrong.  Kurtwood Smith was badass without trying.
 
2013-05-12 05:29:13 PM
www.madmaxmovies.com

I'll shoot that list in the tire
 
2013-05-12 05:47:26 PM

coco ebert: texdent: Live action Lex Luthor? Really?

That's just because of the new movie being released soon. Otherwise, who gives a fark about Superman?


Shostie: This is a very "nerd-centric" list.


I think we have identified the reason for this list.
 
2013-05-12 05:52:00 PM

Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: So in that context, Ledgers Joker was perfect. And not only that, he was actually pretty dam funny in a wrong way.

I thought it was a great performance, much better than Jack's. And I'm not saying that because he's dead. Mark Hamill's take on it was closer to the book but equally good.

John Buck 41: RoyBatty: Huh? Roy Batty wasn't the villain.

Well YOU would say that.

And he killed Lo Pan for basically no reason, I would say that makes him somewhat of a villain.


How? Only a dream can kill a dream.
 
2013-05-12 05:53:53 PM
No love for Dickless?

thefwoosh.com
 
2013-05-12 05:54:12 PM

L.D. Ablo: Meh.  The list was made by someone immersed in current pop culture.  No Max Schreck Nosferatu?  Seriously?

Also missing Francis:



media.salon.com

C'mon, give the guy a break. You can't just have gay marriage and women priests in a month or so.
 
2013-05-12 05:58:42 PM

buckeyebrain: No love for Dickless?

[thefwoosh.com image 400x235]


Ghostbusters...the movie that made the guy from the Environmental Protection Agency with a valid complaint against three guys with unlicensed nuclear accelerators the bad guy. And to add insult to injury, he was accused of not having a dick.
 
2013-05-12 06:07:53 PM
I don't recognize him. Was he in The Davinci Code or whatever?
 
2013-05-12 06:20:55 PM
List fails without Kaiser Soze.
 
2013-05-12 06:21:41 PM

John Buck 41: RoyBatty: Huh? Roy Batty wasn't the villain.

Well YOU would say that.


He's seen... things. You wouldn't believe.
 
2013-05-12 06:22:12 PM
Maybe not top 25 but a memorable performance
www.premiere.fr
 
2013-05-12 06:43:42 PM
Should have been Plesence Bloefeld. Also needs Emperor Palpatine. And The Duke of New York. And the Man With the Plan.
 
2013-05-12 06:59:43 PM

Darth_Lukecash: FirstNationalBastard: doglover: Heath Ledger's Joker was nice, but if he hadn't died no one would remember.

Not to mention, he wasn't playing The Joker.

Could you see Ledger's Joker creating and using Joker Fish?

No?

Then he's not The Joker, just some LOOK AT ME, I'M CRAAAAAAAAAZY attention whore in bad make-up... kind of like a Jersey Shore castmember.

Normally we're on the same page on comic things-but you are wrong about Heath Ledgers Joker. Nolan's films weren't the traditional comic style adaptations, they were interpretations of the mythology that kept the spirit of the characters. For example: Ras still "came back from the dead" but in a more logical way. He also had the same burn earth tactics on solving a problem, except it was on crime...not the ecology.

So in that context, Ledgers Joker was perfect. And not only that, he was actually pretty dam funny in a wrong way.


Sorry bro, but I think you're dead wrong.

Not even in the context of that universe does Ledger's generic psycho even begin to capture who and what Joker is.

The right honorable gentleman upthread is right. If Ledger hadn't died and Americans didn't have such an unhealthy fetish for mythologizing drugged out losers who die young, nobody would remember that stupid portrayal.
 
2013-05-12 07:13:39 PM

PIP_the_TROLL: The right honorable gentleman upthread is right. If Ledger hadn't died and Americans didn't have such an unhealthy fetish for mythologizing drugged out losers who die young, nobody would remember that stupid portrayal.


I couldn't care less that Ledger died but I thought his Joker was awesome. Definitely better than Nicholson.
 
2013-05-12 07:17:17 PM

Darth_Lukecash: FirstNationalBastard: doglover: Heath Ledger's Joker was nice, but if he hadn't died no one would remember.

Not to mention, he wasn't playing The Joker.

Could you see Ledger's Joker creating and using Joker Fish?

No?

Then he's not The Joker, just some LOOK AT ME, I'M CRAAAAAAAAAZY attention whore in bad make-up... kind of like a Jersey Shore castmember.

Normally we're on the same page on comic things-but you are wrong about Heath Ledgers Joker. Nolan's films weren't the traditional comic style adaptations, they were interpretations of the mythology that kept the spirit of the characters. For example: Ras still "came back from the dead" but in a more logical way. He also had the same burn earth tactics on solving a problem, except it was on crime...not the ecology.

So in that context, Ledgers Joker was perfect. And not only that, he was actually pretty dam funny in a wrong way.


Ledger's Joker was perfect for the Nolanverse. Shame he died so he couldn't be used in part III. The movie might have been good if it was, seeing Joker as an unstable element between two major forces that "Have A Plan." One of my favorite moments in Dark Knight is when Joker is walking away from the hospital, and keeps pressing a non-working detonator, and then sprinting in surprise when the bomb finally goes off. Nice touch.

Now, I've been a shameless huckster for Hamill's Joker since I started posting on Fark. He really was the "Joker for All Seasons." In some ways it's unfair to the other guys, though. He got to play Joker in tons of appearances throughout the DCAU. For that reason, he had a better chance to explore the many facets of the Joker. Cesar Romero would have been next in appearances, but it was during the campy show that was only going to allow one version.Heck, Hamill got to play essentially that in the Dick Sprang section of the episode where 3 kids tell stories of Batman from 3 perspectives.  From goofy and silly, to seriously, cunningly evil, Hamill Joker wins. Hell, he would win on Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker alone. It helped that he had character of Harley Quinn to play off of. Joker's Favor was one of the best depictions of how Joker's insanity affects other people, with a brilliant ending regarding Joker's psychology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC8THtokVdg  Hamill himself gives a lot of credit to Ledger and the writers for a GOOD, ORIGINAL, take on the Joker. I myself cannot fault the Ledger Joker as not the "real" Joker, for Pete's sake he is the originator of the "multiple choice past." I can't think of any other villain as infinitely malleable as the Joker in all of literature, except maybe Satan.

Still, you know this is what us nerds wanted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7XHMR3n0WY Many of us know damn good and well that Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill will be the voice we hear in our heads as we read comics even into the old age home.

Nicholson's Joker was Jack in greasepaint. But, it was awesome because it kicked off a craze for comic book movies that hasn't ended. (Wall of text getting too long but my biggest beef with this Joker was that they retconned the origin story to be mutual, so that Batman is facing a Joker 15 years his senior. It set the tone for rewriting too many stories so that the hero/villain have shared origin)

And with that, the reward for reading my rambling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpPC3w1mjYo
 
2013-05-12 07:29:05 PM

Fano: Ledger's Joker was perfect for the Nolanverse. Shame he died so he couldn't be used in part III


I don't know, I think the Joker story was pretty well wrapped up in TDK. If he was in the next film it would just him pulling off another scheme and getting thrown back in Arkham, which is fine for a 60 year old comic book series but kind of a waste of time in a movie trilogy.
 
2013-05-12 07:44:44 PM
I dunno, Fano. We're usually on the same page, but this time...

Fano: Ledger's Joker was perfect for the Nolanverse.


In as much as I think the Nolanverse has as much to do with Batman as Die Hard, I don't even think Ledger's portrayal fit that universe. Joker isn't a nihilist and nihilism isn't something Batman generally deals with. Joker doesn't have agendas, he has punchlines. And Joker doesn't set up weighted dilemmas - that's Two Face (which makes that plotline all the more out of place in that movie).

Joker is a sadist and a delusional psychopath. He's dangerous to everyone around him and he's obsessed with Batman. Joker does what he does because he thinks it's funny - he doesn't care about the outcome beyond his joke being ruined and it certainly doesn't go to further some grander scheme. He doesn't think that far ahead. He can't. Joker is so crazy, not even *HE* knows what he's going to do. He's equally likely to kiss you gently on the lips as eat your face off.

Hamill's Joker is the Joker to end all Jokers - you're damned right about that. After that, I give equal props to Caeser and Jack. Caeser's captures the 'Clown Prince of Crime" part, where he's actually funny, enjoys a good laugh and is actually a thief and not just a murderer. And Jack's focuses on Joke's sadistic side, and how mean-spirited his sense of humor is.

None of that was evident in Ledger's portrayal.
 
2013-05-12 07:59:01 PM

PIP_the_TROLL: oker is a sadist and a delusional psychopath. He's dangerous to everyone around him and he's obsessed with Batman. Joker does what he does because he thinks it's funny - he doesn't care about the outcome beyond his joke being ruined and it certainly doesn't go to further some grander scheme. He doesn't think that far ahead. He can't. Joker is so crazy, not even *HE* knows what he's going to do. He's equally likely to kiss you gently on the lips as eat your face off.

Hamill's Joker is the Joker to end all Jokers - you're damned right about that. After that, I give equal props to Caeser and Jack. Caeser's captures the 'Clown Prince of Crime" part, where he's actually funny, enjoys a good laugh and is actually a thief and not just a murderer. And Jack's focuses on Joke's sadistic side, and how mean-spirited his sense of humor is.

None of that was evident in Ledger's portrayal.


I don't see how that doesn't fit with Ledger's portrayal. He obviously doesn't care about money, as he burns the cash he stole. He doesn't really know what he wants to do with Batman, first he wants to kill him, then he wants to unmask him, then he wants to preserve his anonymity so that he can keep playing with him. He kills Rachel by switching the addresses because he found that was funny. He, as Alfred said, "Just wants to watch the world burn". I think it was a pitch perfect depiction of the Joker.
 
2013-05-12 08:37:15 PM

Pentaxian: Missing:

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Newsletter?
 
2013-05-12 08:48:05 PM

Mugato: Fano: Ledger's Joker was perfect for the Nolanverse. Shame he died so he couldn't be used in part III

I don't know, I think the Joker story was pretty well wrapped up in TDK. If he was in the next film it would just him pulling off another scheme and getting thrown back in Arkham, which is fine for a 60 year old comic book series but kind of a waste of time in a movie trilogy.


Well, i can see him not as pulling off his own caper, necessarily, but being a fly in the ointment between the Batman vision of order and planned anarchy of the League of Shadows. Maybe not as much more than the Scarecrow played in Dark Knight but enough to throw off everyone else's plans in unexpected ways. Gotta go back and read Knightfall to remember how much of a role he played there.
 
2013-05-12 08:57:50 PM

Mugato: I don't see how that doesn't fit with Ledger's portrayal. He obviously doesn't care about money, as he burns the cash he stole. He doesn't really know what he wants to do with Batman, first he wants to kill him, then he wants to unmask him, then he wants to preserve his anonymity so that he can keep playing with him. He kills Rachel by switching the addresses because he found that was funny. He, as Alfred said, "Just wants to watch the world burn". I think it was a pitch perfect depiction of the Joker.


You described a petulant spaz. Joker isn't a spaz.
 
2013-05-12 09:15:35 PM
Johnny Ringo.
 
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