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(Omaha World Herald)   If the Omaha Public Schools required student-athletes to maintain a 2.0 grade-point average, hundreds of students would be ineligible to compete, begging the question: how stupid are the student athletes in Omaha?   (omaha.com) divider line 113
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2013-05-12 08:35:20 AM  
Grade point average alone is rather meaningless. A school system can make the curriculum more or less challenging, and that's going to directly raise or lower grade point averages. A "C" student is supposed to be an average student, so 2.0 students should be average, not "stupid". Somewhere along the line, I think "B" became average, probably so snowflakes didn't get their feelings hurt. A better measure would be class rank, I think. Tell the bottom 10%, or wherever you want to draw the line, to shape up or ride the bench.

Then again, some people really are stupid and cant help it. They simply are not smart. Why shouldn't they be able to participate in atheletics? Its not like sitting out a season of volleyball is going to focus them and put them down a path to a career in accounting. The discipline of sports is probably better for them than the unfilled free time after school. A lot of trouble can be gotten into during those hours. Better the kid is at practice than smoking up in his mom's basement.

/DNRTFA
 
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2013-05-12 08:48:09 AM  
But if they work to get it over 2.0, they'll be too educated to play football for the Cornhuskers.
 
2013-05-12 09:24:25 AM  
Raising the question, subby, not begging it.
 
2013-05-12 09:57:31 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Then again, some people really are stupid and cant can't help it. They simply are not smart. Why shouldn't they be able to participate in atheletics athletics?


C-, sorry you will have to sit out from 'atheletics' this week

:-P
 
2013-05-12 10:01:49 AM  
A quick internet survey:
Baton Rouge 1.5
Rockford, IL - dropped the C-average rule
HENRICO COUNTY, Va  - 1.6
Newport News - 2.0
Scottsdale, AZ was considering 2.0 (previous was a D-average)
Stonington, CT - 2.0
Muskegon - 2.0 (never had a minimum)

The NCAA expects HS to have 2.3 by 2016

It looks like 2.0 is the usual standard, if there is one. Usually there is not.

Looks like Omaha is pretty average.

/completely unscientific
 
2013-05-12 10:22:24 AM  
Our district is 2.0, and it's calculated every 6 weeks. Tho, if one brings a grade up to a 70 at the 3 week mark, they may be eligible.

 We don't have D's.
 
2013-05-12 10:52:19 AM  
Well, duh.  It's a corn-fed state.  They breed everything big and dumb there.

*Runs away*
 
2013-05-12 11:16:38 AM  

Radak: Raising the question, subby, not begging it.


In a headline insulting the intelligence of others, no less.
 
2013-05-12 11:18:16 AM  
In before anybody can point out tha-

Radak: Raising the question, subby, not begging it.


shiat, never mind.
 
2013-05-12 11:20:01 AM  
They're like, full athletic scholarship at the University of Miami stupid.
 
2013-05-12 11:20:58 AM  

"A minimum 2.0 GPA - a C average - also would disproportionately affect black and low-income student athletes, based on the data. "


I hope they're not trying to infer this is racism, because although discrimination still exists in many situations, this isn't one. There's no reason a minority student cannot apply themselves to whatever they wish. If a low GPA affects affects black or poor athletic students more, then maybe they need to give up sports and focus on their studies.

 
2013-05-12 11:21:52 AM  
I find it a sad commentary on the state of affairs that submitter would try to draw attention to the lack of intelligence of others, when he/she can't even comprehend a basic phrase like "beg the question".
 
2013-05-12 11:23:58 AM  
I am no Einstein, but I did zilch in high school and maintained a 2.8 to 3.0.  I never studied, rarely did homework and when I did, I finished two minutes before turning it in.  I always thought standards where too low.

I honestly think that if you asked more of students, they would yield more.

I know, I know, there are students that live lives I couldn't fathom with abusive or neglectful parents.  But I really think raising the bar would be better than keep lowering it.

Also, I hate athletic in public schools, mainly because of the amount of money they suck up.  I love how art classes and band gets cancelled but schools still have an athletic program with overpaid coaches (who are typically the highest paid teachers), but that's another rant.
 
2013-05-12 11:24:26 AM  
A C in 'College Prep' courses (when I was in high school, 2 years ago) required a pulse, and minor sentience. The courses were incredibly easy, so much so that when my skate-through-school ass got to college, I was utterly shocked - you actually had to  studybefore tests? Holy shiat! Do homework? My god!

/I got over it
//graduated high school with a 2.3
///going to transfer with a 3.5
//slashies
 
2013-05-12 11:24:51 AM  

skinink: I hope they're not trying to infer this is racism


I don't know where you're from, but around here it is factism.
 
2013-05-12 11:26:08 AM  
I never cared for athletics being exalted in educational institutions...

So many animals run faster.  So many animals are stronger.  Not so many animals may have greater endurance though...  But what is humankind's greatest asset bestowed by the forces of evolution?  Intelligence.  And it's not the most important thing at educational institutions... sports are.
 
2013-05-12 11:26:40 AM  
"I think that kid isn't smart enough to play basketball" said no recruiter ever.
 
2013-05-12 11:27:44 AM  
wehoopny.com

Reporter: "Did youvisit the Parthenon while inGreece?"
Shaquille O'Neill: "I can't really remember the names of all theclubs we went to."
 
2013-05-12 11:28:13 AM  
They could do it like Darrell Issa's alma mater, and give credit for life experience, like on the playing field.

With mandatory grading of all students on whether they were first string, second string, bench warmer, water child or couldn't identify a football or base ball, everyone's report card would be very different, especially if that one grade were multiplied by the hours required every day.
 
2013-05-12 11:30:42 AM  
Get rid of athletic sports.
Trade them for yoga, judo, ju jitsu, and aikido.
 
2013-05-12 11:30:47 AM  
Answer: They're VERY stupid!

University of Nebraska is nothing but a front for the Nebraska Cornhuskers football racket. Show me one thing that The U of N ever is known for besides football (and multiple felonies).
 
2013-05-12 11:31:41 AM  
Ditch school-sponsored athletics. There are community-based sports.

/What about those kids who can't afford it? Valid point.
//What if you live where there are no community-based sports? Also valid.
///Why do you argue with yourself? Saves on time.
 
2013-05-12 11:35:20 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Then again, some people really are stupid and cant help it. They simply are not smart. Why shouldn't they be able to participate in atheletics?


Because schools aren't recreational facilities and there is no right to play football.  Let stupid students join independent leagues.

"We don't want to have an unintended consequence of losing students,"

And that's why this proposal will fail at the district level. Students = money.
 
2013-05-12 11:35:20 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Grade point average alone is rather meaningless. A school system can make the curriculum more or less challenging, and that's going to directly raise or lower grade point averages. A "C" student is supposed to be an average student, so 2.0 students should be average, not "stupid". Somewhere along the line, I think "B" became average, probably so snowflakes didn't get their feelings hurt. A better measure would be class rank, I think. Tell the bottom 10%, or wherever you want to draw the line, to shape up or ride the bench.

Then again, some people really are stupid and cant help it. They simply are not smart. Why shouldn't they be able to participate in atheletics? Its not like sitting out a season of volleyball is going to focus them and put them down a path to a career in accounting. The discipline of sports is probably better for them than the unfilled free time after school. A lot of trouble can be gotten into during those hours. Better the kid is at practice than smoking up in his mom's basement.

/DNRTFA


You realize that no matter what you do, you'll always have a bottom 10%, right?

We had this rule on the books in my state over a hundred years ago when I went to school. No 2.0? No play. Period. It's still that way today.

/and our state is incredibly more educated than Nebraska
//shocking, I'm sure
 
2013-05-12 11:35:47 AM  
My high school had a similar GPA requirement.

But as others have mentioned GPA is a completely, absolutely meaningless metric.  I remember an article in my University's newspaper that compared the median GPA of different majors.  Math majors had it the roughest, where the median GPA was a 2.0 - they graded on a scale where 75% was the median.  Meanwhile Elementary Education majors taking fluff classes on how to count to 20 on your fingers without making little kids cry...had an median GPA of 3.7 .
 
2013-05-12 11:37:04 AM  
Why can't Omaha public schools just hire athletes to play for them like the private schools do?
 
2013-05-12 11:40:01 AM  
Just make academics separate from athletics. What is the point in pretending anymore? If someone wants to enroll in an academics to get an education, they go here. If someone wants to pursue sports, they go there. Combining athletics and academics in the same institution harms both the academic and the athlete.
 
2013-05-12 11:40:37 AM  

MadCat221: But what is humankind's greatest asset bestowed by the forces of evolution? Intelligence. And it's not the most important thing at educational institutions... sports are.


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2013-05-12 11:41:06 AM  
Percentage of athletes below 2.0, by sport:

Baseball: 11.7
Basketball: 24.3
Football: 27.2
Soccer: 13.1
Tennis: 4.2
Track: 15.5
Volleyball: 7.9
Wrestling: 25.7

Stereotypes I developed back in high school: confirmed
 
2013-05-12 11:43:44 AM  
We all know that the averages are just to put on a show for those that biatch about how little Billy with his perfect 4.0 will never see a six-figure salary as a scientist, while Bruno's 1.2 doesn't matter because he can run like the wind and will get signed to the NFL for 13 million while lacking the capacity to count higher than his fingers.

The "no-pass, no-play" ultimatum will just result in Bruno being given better marks by his teachers, because there would be hell to pay if one of them forced him to the bench and cost them the season.  Bruno might make a 2.0 now, but he still can't tell you what comes after ten, or the state capitol, or anything.  "Bruno not have time. Bruno need to run with ball to yellow thingies."
 
2013-05-12 11:43:59 AM  
Some of those kids only go to school to play sports. If you take that away from them they'll drop out and miss out on what little education they were receiving. This is not to stay I don't want high expectations for students, just don't make it punitive.
 
2013-05-12 11:45:34 AM  

HairBolus: MadCat221: But what is humankind's greatest asset bestowed by the forces of evolution? Intelligence. And it's not the most important thing at educational institutions... sports are.

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As with all maps, we should post this in the politics tab and see what they make of it.
 
2013-05-12 11:46:14 AM  
Maybe they should just homeschool them.....You'll wind up with athletes with a good Republican world-view, safe in the knowledge that Christ invented the flying wedge.
 
2013-05-12 11:47:24 AM  
Oh child (Subby) 'bout to get blitzed by the Gramma' Nazis. Pray fo' him!!!
 
2013-05-12 11:47:38 AM  
"Under the current guidelines, a student could get four D's and three F's and still be eligible. "

I'm sorry. Call me old fashioned or whatever you like but this is just damning of the american education system if we thing this is in any way acceptable.  There is ZERO reason we should let someone participate in athletics in high school, so they can get a full ride to a institution of higher learning, who has grades like this while a person who applies themselves and receives moderate to high grades has to take student loans out the ass to attend the same institution.  You want to play sports?  Education comes first.  This is why its called EXTRA curricular activities.
 
2013-05-12 11:49:21 AM  
Subby, why so negative?

It is also possible there that the teachers do not hand out "Gentlemen A's" like lollypops and actually have the standard that a "C" is an average grade.

So if you have a 1.98 GPA you are only very slightly below average.
 
2013-05-12 11:49:22 AM  

LargeCanine: Just make academics separate from athletics. What is the point in pretending anymore? If someone wants to enroll in an academics to get an education, they go here. If someone wants to pursue sports, they go there. Combining athletics and academics in the same institution harms both the academic and the athlete.


Move the athletics programs to the voc-tech schools; the latter won't be neglected anymore.

OTOH, the proposal is not about athletics only.  Chess, debate, science, theater, and other extracurricular activities would also be affected.  The GPA deficit seems to be mainly jocks but it's reasonable to assume that alienated emo nerds get failing grades too.
 
2013-05-12 11:49:38 AM  

Wulfman: HairBolus: MadCat221: But what is humankind's greatest asset bestowed by the forces of evolution? Intelligence. And it's not the most important thing at educational institutions... sports are.

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As with all maps, we should post this in the politics tab and see what they make of it.


Also about his map, those "public" employees salaries are paid themselves through their respective sports programs which in many cases, turn a profit and give money back to the school.
 
2013-05-12 11:49:57 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Answer: They're VERY stupid!

University of Nebraska is nothing but a front for the Nebraska Cornhuskers football racket. Show me one thing that The U of N ever is known for besides football (and multiple felonies).


Hey, Nebraska is a member of the prestigious Association of American Univers-ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
 
2013-05-12 11:50:30 AM  

Arthur Jumbles: Some of those kids only go to school to play sports. If you take that away from them they'll drop out and miss out on what little education they were receiving. This is not to stay I don't want high expectations for students, just don't make it punitive.


It's not taking athletics away from them. It's motivating them to do better at academics.

/ not really, it's motivating teachers to fake test scores and stuff.
 
2013-05-12 11:50:41 AM  

jayphat: "Under the current guidelines, a student could get four D's and three F's and still be eligible. "

I'm sorry. Call me old fashioned or whatever you like but this is just damning of the american education system if we thing this is in any way acceptable.  There is ZERO reason we should let someone participate in athletics in high school, so they can get a full ride to a institution of higher learning, who has grades like this while a person who applies themselves and receives moderate to high grades has to take student loans out the ass to attend the same institution.  You want to play sports?  Education comes first.  This is why its called EXTRA curricular activities.


Wow!  That was terribly unfortunate.
 
2013-05-12 11:51:58 AM  
Wouldn't it be neat if athleticism were removed entirely from academia, and schools focused solely on the purpose for which they were invented, the dissemination of knowledge?

At least for schools of higher learning. I can understand the need to get the children running around burning off kid energy and getting excersize.
 
2013-05-12 11:53:00 AM  
Pretty goddamned stupid.  Stump stupid. You wouldn't really think it was possible if I told you how stupid these athletes are. I mean, Jesus Christ almighty.

That farking stupid.
 
2013-05-12 11:53:23 AM  

TV's Vinnie: University of Nebraska is nothing but a front for the Nebraska Cornhuskers football racket. Show me one thing that The U of N ever is known for besides football


The N is for Noledge!!
 
2013-05-12 11:56:47 AM  

HairBolus: MadCat221: But what is humankind's greatest asset bestowed by the forces of evolution? Intelligence. And it's not the most important thing at educational institutions... sports are.

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Say what? Seriously... is that for real? That's farked up.
 
2013-05-12 12:01:37 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: My high school had a similar GPA requirement.

But as others have mentioned GPA is a completely, absolutely meaningless metric.  I remember an article in my University's newspaper that compared the median GPA of different majors.  Math majors had it the roughest, where the median GPA was a 2.0 - they graded on a scale where 75% was the median.  Meanwhile Elementary Education majors taking fluff classes on how to count to 20 on your fingers without making little kids cry...had an median GPA of 3.7 .


I disagree with that statement to a point.

Yes, in cross-discipline comparisons, the flaws in the system are evident, but I think that within specific disciplines it is valid. When comparing within a discipline, I think it gives a person a perspective on how well they are performing within it.

At the very least, it serves as a personal measuring stick for individuals.
 
2013-05-12 12:05:06 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Grade point average alone is rather meaningless. A school system can make the curriculum more or less challenging, and that's going to directly raise or lower grade point averages. A "C" student is supposed to be an average student, so 2.0 students should be average, not "stupid". Somewhere along the line, I think "B" became average, probably so snowflakes didn't get their feelings hurt. A better measure would be class rank, I think. Tell the bottom 10%, or wherever you want to draw the line, to shape up or ride the bench.

Then again, some people really are stupid and cant help it. They simply are not smart. Why shouldn't they be able to participate in atheletics? Its not like sitting out a season of volleyball is going to focus them and put them down a path to a career in accounting. The discipline of sports is probably better for them than the unfilled free time after school. A lot of trouble can be gotten into during those hours. Better the kid is at practice than smoking up in his mom's basement.

/DNRTFA


because the school is funding the team
 
2013-05-12 12:05:24 PM  

stuhayes2010: I am no Einstein, but I did zilch in high school and maintained a 2.8 to 3.0.  I never studied, rarely did homework and when I did, I finished two minutes before turning it in.  I always thought standards where were too low.


The proof is your diploma. =)
 
2013-05-12 12:05:30 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Answer: They're VERY stupid!

University of Nebraska is nothing but a front for the Nebraska Cornhuskers football racket. Show me one thing that The U of N ever is known for besides football (and multiple felonies).


They have pretty strong agricultural and medical programs moron.

OPS sucks, Millard Schools do a much better job of educating children
 
2013-05-12 12:10:29 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Wouldn't it be neat if athleticism were removed entirely from academia, and schools focused solely on the purpose for which they were invented, the dissemination of knowledge?

At least for schools of higher learning. I can understand the need to get the children running around burning off kid energy and getting excersize.



Was it Socrates or Plato who said that education should be only for the philosophic, swift, and strong?
 
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