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2013-05-12 10:41:23 AM
7 votes:
Buy suit.  Get hired as CEO.  Squeeze every last penny from the plebes from behind a stone wall.  Pay the workers sh*t.  Tank company.  Pull ripcord.  Repeat.
2013-05-12 10:35:08 AM
6 votes:

cookiefleck: MagicBus: If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.

yeah, you get treated like cattle tho.


I pay through the nose on other airlines and I'm treated like cattle.

Charging $100 for a carry-on bag should be labelled a deceptive practice.  Virtually no one flies without any luggage at all, and if you do, it's assumed you're a terrorist.  So you have to take luggage.  If an airline charges $200 for a ticket, and then $100 even for a carry-on, then they are clearly, obviously, transparently trying to deceive you about the actual price.  That should be criminal.
2013-05-12 10:36:29 AM
5 votes:
"How's the 'let's keep all the serfs out of the easy travel access loop' thing working out?"

"Excellent."

"Good.  Let me know when Monsanto patents all food sources and then we can roll the tanks on everybody taking home less than a phone number a year."

"Man, I gotta tell you, I thought this would be a lot harder."
2013-05-12 08:51:39 AM
4 votes:

joshiz: One thing the article didn't mention regarding elite status


Because most people don't fly enough to get that.
2013-05-12 10:56:18 AM
3 votes:
$100 for a carry on bag

www.aerojockey.com

/passeners holding up the line so they can cram their oversized bags in the overhead bin are the most annoying thing about flying
2013-05-12 10:44:19 AM
3 votes:

raerae1980: I have to fly back East this summer and visit family.  This really sucks as airfare is already borderline unaffordable.

I can actually remember when cheap airfare existed and I'm not old!!


Airfares have dropped consistently since deregulation in 1978 and are now 50% cheaper.

Air travel used to be a luxury. Now it's like a flying bus.
2013-05-12 10:35:01 AM
3 votes:
Self driving cars will kill airlines for flights less than 500. If the choice is you can either arrive at the airport an an hour early, get groped by the TSA have the inevitable 30 minute delay then a 90 minute flight in the middle seat between two sumo sized passengers or get in your self driving car listen to the radio or an audio book for 5-6 hours I'll choose the car every-time.
2013-05-12 10:30:23 AM
3 votes:
Exactly what I intend to do for a 1200 mile trip this summer.  Fark you airlines.
2013-05-12 11:25:27 AM
2 votes:
There should only be 2 charges on an airline:

1. A seat fee (covers all of the costs of flying an empty aircraft form point A to point B). Figure about $25 per seat that you want/need.
2. A poundage fee (covers the additional cost not covered in 1 for you and all your shiat). You and all your stuff get weighed and you pay a flat $0.75 per pound.

Normal person that needs to make a quick trip with little luggage: ~$200
Lard-ass that tried to bring the entire vacation home with him: ~$350

And the overhead bins need to be divided per seat. You get to use the space assigned to your seat and THAT'S IT! None of the 'fill the entire bin assigned to your row plus the next row forward' bullshiat. If it don't fit it gets left behind, you bin hogging asshole.
2013-05-12 11:17:45 AM
2 votes:
I'm 6'5" and my shoulders are wider than many domestic doors.

I do not fold up. I don't like the idea of flying in anything less than Virgin's upgraded class.

I also have an interest in JC Penny continuing to exist. They're the only major company making apparel my size available in quality at reasonable prices. Casual Male might carry my size but they're charging Nordstrom prices for K-Mart clothing. And farking stop telling me to shop the internet, you farking midgets are size discriminators.
2013-05-12 11:03:11 AM
2 votes:
Fees I would support:

Screaming baby fee
Failure to control your kids fee
Loud annoying voice fee
Drunk asshat fee
2013-05-12 10:43:59 AM
2 votes:
I haven't flown since 2005, when I retired from my first career and started my current business. I drive or I don't go. Living in the SF Bay Area makes the entire Left Coast accessible in one (longish) day for my wife and I. We simply hop into our Golf TDi and blast up or down I-5 to family functions near Seattle or to visit the grandkids in Portland or Tucson. For less than a hundred bucks each way the two of us can go anywhere up or down the coast in one day. No airline comes anywhere close to that convenience.
2013-05-12 10:43:09 AM
2 votes:
I haven't flown in 20 years and unless someone else is paying and wants me there fast that's not likely to change. Maybe I'm a cheapskate or something but it's just too expensive and I really enjoy driving. I'm a firm believer in the saying "Getting there is half the fun." and flying just sucks the fun right out of it.
2013-05-12 10:43:04 AM
2 votes:
As someone who's soon going to fly for the first time since Nov. 2001, I am apprehensive.  Seems getting on an airplane is like going into hospital; you don't know if you'll come out alive or bankrupt.
2013-05-12 10:42:40 AM
2 votes:
Domestically I don't understand why anyone flies on anything but Southwest.  Didn't seen them on the list of bilkers, did you?  Oh, you want an assigned seat and don't want to wait in line?  Get over it.  If you want to throw away hundreds to be pampered for a few hours you might as well fly first class.
2013-05-12 10:37:04 AM
2 votes:
Anytime I travel to where I will be visiting friends or family and there is a baggage fee I pack ahead of time and UPS or Fed-Ex my stuff to them, which typically costs $40 to $50. I can then fly with my purse only.
2013-05-12 10:36:17 AM
2 votes:

iron_city_ap: If its under a 5-6 hour drive, I drive. If its longer, I fly.


8 hours is where I *start* to consider a flight.

Boston to Baltimore next week. 7 hours by car from home to hotel, 7 by plane including security, and that's just from airport to airport. Why bother?
2013-05-12 10:35:13 AM
2 votes:
I'm soo glad that we have high speed rail over here.
2013-05-12 10:34:21 AM
2 votes:

edmo: I've taken to driving if it's 10 hours time or less for my personal travel. For business, whatever.

It's boring driving: no terrorists, food is available and prices are reasonable, no strangers fondling my nads, and once I arrive, if the driveway is full I just park on the street and walk in.


My "driving bubble" has increased dramatically.  Last year, I drove from Atlanta to Cape Cod.  This year will be Atlanta to DC.  Wifey and I make the drive part of the vacation and do touristy things along the way and not just at the destination.
2013-05-12 10:07:16 AM
2 votes:
I've taken to driving if it's 10 hours time or less for my personal travel. For business, whatever.

It's boring driving: no terrorists, food is available and prices are reasonable, no strangers fondling my nads, and once I arrive, if the driveway is full I just park on the street and walk in.
2013-05-12 04:52:16 PM
1 votes:

aerojockey: $100 for a carry on bag


www.aerojockey.com 

/passeners holding up the line so they can cram their oversized bags in the overhead bin are the most annoying thing about flying

i.imgur.com
2013-05-12 01:29:50 PM
1 votes:
The sad thing is that Amtrak hasn't been able to use this to significantly increase ridership.  If anything, they seem to be doing as much as the airlines to fark over their potential customer base.  I'd gladly take a train if it didn't cost twice as much as a flight and take two days to reach a destination I could drive to in ten hours.
2013-05-12 01:24:03 PM
1 votes:

Tanthalas39: raerae1980: I have to fly back East this summer and visit family.  This really sucks as airfare is already borderline unaffordable.

I can actually remember when cheap airfare existed and I'm not old!!

You're definitely not old. If you were, you'd remember that when the government ran the airlines, only the wealthy could afford it.


I remember in the 1970's, you no longer had to be a member of the "Jet Set" to afford it, but it was still kind of a big deal. People used to dress nicely to fly, and though I was a kid, I recall all the great stuff; Captain's Tour of the cockpit (cue the gladiator movie jokes), a halfway-decent meal plus snacks, pack of playing cards, pillow, blanket, various magazines, unlimited drinks for the adults, and of course the kids got pin-on Honorary Captain's wings.
2013-05-12 12:46:25 PM
1 votes:
I've no need to fly, so I don't. Ages ago, I flew to Mexico and back. Later I took a Greyhound Bus to another state. I took a cruise ship to the Bahamas.

Most of the long distance traveling I did when younger was by car.

I road in a train once from Florida to New Jersey but I was so young I can barely recall it.

When I flew, the airlines were much different, nicer and cheaper.

If you've ever read a National Geographic Magazine from the 60's and 70's, you'll see how Greyhound was pushing hard to become one of the main interstate passenger movers. They offered vacation packages, double decker busses with the upper deck mainly glass for viewing, stops at huge Greyhound Plaza's where you could get good food, shop in a few stores and stretch your legs for a bit.

The rise of the airlines hit them hard. Turning them into a shell of their former selves, seemingly mainly used by poor folks.

Trains used to be cool, from what I've read, heard and seen. You could get a compartment to yourself for an extra fee, there were dining cars, lounge cars, smoking cars and most pulled into big, comfortable stations. They were even working on drive on flatbed cars so you could travel with your vehicle or in it.

At their heyday, they also were working on double decker viewing cars and developing high speed versions, like in Europe.

Most folks drove, but then whole sections of the highways were designed to offer you entertainment and comfort with some pretty oddball places to stop. Back then, cars didn't always have A/C, they didn't have entertainment stations built in and no one had ever heard of an SUV.

So the Roadside Attractions could make for an interesting and unique trip.
They also used to have many more camp grounds for people with travel trailers and most were very reasonable with a lot of amenities.

Driving across the US used to be exciting and fun. Today, with the new cars and SUVs, it would seem like luxury. Today's cars are much more comfortable, less prone to breakdowns, even the tires are sturdier, meaning less flats. The SUV no longer means you have to cram all the kids in one long bench back seat, where they'll annoy each other out of boredom. GPS means the glove box full of impossible to refold, 4 foot square maps is no longer needed.

Then the big RVs make things even better. However, those buggers, being portable houses, tend to be fuel hogs and often diesel. Warranties usually do not allow you to run cheaper bio-diesel through them.

One of my brothers has one. It costs him $400 to fill up the tank when he comes down from South Carolina and $400 to go back but the thing is impressive.
I guess most folks these days are used to flying and getting someplace fast. Over the years I've seen the popularity of airlines rise and their quality drop as their prices exploded. 9/11 made getting on them a nightmare.

Twice I've read where the airlines have decreased the distance between seats to cram more passengers in and read where many do not carry FAA required emergency equipment when flying across oceans. Turns out the FAA can only suggest certain regulations be followed but can enforce others.

The rise of the airlines badly hurt travel by bus and train.

Now, they're close to a monopoly.

I've been thinking about a comfortable ride on an air conditioned train, in a private cubical, complete with fold away beds and dining in a comfortable dining car. The view at night must be spectacular traveling along the rails through cities and towns.

My mother and younger brother took a trip from Florida to Washington DC by rail some years ago when he was a kid, on vacation and they both thoroughly enjoyed it.

I still recall the family trips by car, towing a tiny travel trailer and stopping in these unique parks for the night. Us kids carried stacks of books and games to play on the long trips and it did, for us kids, get boring but we didn't have SUVs back then.

Maybe people might want to reconsider the Rt.66 era. Maybe they might want to drive again, or take the bus or the train.
2013-05-12 12:00:43 PM
1 votes:

CruJones: High speed rail is not a viable solution for a country this damn big.  Comparing Germany to the continental US is simply not accurate.  Within California?  From Boston to NY?  Sure.  But from San Antonio to Portland?  No way.  Even at 100mph, with zero stops it would be over 17 hours, vs. a 3.5 hour flight.  In reality, it would take probably two days.  I'm not wasting four days traveling, even as crappy as flying is.


China has high speed rail and it is as big as the US. You can take a high speed train Bejiing to Shanghai (800 miles) in under 5 hours. You can also take a train from Beijing to Lhasa (3753 miles) for $150 and you get to see some great scenery on the way.
2013-05-12 11:26:32 AM
1 votes:

dstanley: Drive from where to where, exactly?


I drove from Estes Park, Colorado to Cleveland, Ohio last week.  I'll be driving back on Wednesday.

I've driven my car to and thru just about every state except the Dakotas and Hawaii.
I've driven to and around Canada, and Mexico.

/hates to fly
//hound goes everywhere
///fees for carry on kayak and the like
2013-05-12 11:20:14 AM
1 votes:

RickN99: Carth: RickN99: Carth: Kibbler: cookiefleck: MagicBus: If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.

yeah, you get treated like cattle tho.

I pay through the nose on other airlines and I'm treated like cattle.

Charging $100 for a carry-on bag should be labelled a deceptive practice.  Virtually no one flies without any luggage at all, and if you do, it's assumed you're a terrorist.  So you have to take luggage.  If an airline charges $200 for a ticket, and then $100 even for a carry-on, then they are clearly, obviously, transparently trying to deceive you about the actual price.  That should be criminal.

It is often cheaper to just UPS your clothes to your destination. Added bonus you can send your camera equipment without worrying about it getting stolen or broken by baggage throwers.

Lots of Youtube videos showing violent UPS deliveries.  I don't know how well my camera would take a 10 foot toss onto a porch.

UPS offers insurance up to $50,000 if you declare the amount when you ship it. Airlines typically won't cover anything over a few hundred. If your camera equipment costs more than $50k you should consider flying private or break it up into two shipments.

How does having insurance stop it from being stolen or broken?  Which was your point, I believe -- that those things would not happen with UPS.


Accidents (as well as malicious acts) can always happen, but if you look at the numbers (I don't remember where I saw them) UPS and FedEx have a much better track record than the airlines.

My usual travel strategy for domestic flights is to send a box of clothing and other travel items via FedEx Ground five business days in advance, using the clothing as padding for any delicate items that may also be in the box, and then carry all of my essentials and particularly valuable items (one day's worth of clothes, my laptop, my camera, and my chargers) on the plane in a backpack.  The only times I've gotten messed up by doing that were when I accidentally shipped the box a day late, or when there wasn't a FedEx location near my destination and I had to hike a bit to ship everything back.  But even so, the convenience of not having to haul so much crap through the airport and various ground connections is almost always worth it, and in many cases it's a few dollars cheaper than the checked bag fees.

/in my experience, FedEx Ground is usually cheaper than UPS
2013-05-12 11:03:34 AM
1 votes:
Meh, I fly JetBlue and have never had a problem.

My peeve is carryons. Airlines need be enforce the rule and even reduce the acceptable size for carryons.

Oh, and women that stuff those floor length down coats in the overhead bins, filling it completely: fark you. The flight's going to Boston, not Moscow in January.
2013-05-12 11:02:29 AM
1 votes:

letrole: don't like capitalism?

so go setup and run your own airline, comrade


How about we remove the regulation letting only US owned airlines fly between domestic destinations instead? If we could have Cathay Pacific or lufthansa fly us NY to LA i bet other airlines would have to improve their service pretty quick.
2013-05-12 10:57:23 AM
1 votes:
It was better in the old days, before airlines started trying to squeeze every penny out of you.

www.aei-ideas.org

Oh.
2013-05-12 10:54:47 AM
1 votes:
Gore says that the only reason airlines can charge such high fees is "because passengers are so passive about it."

Exactly why everything is so damned expensive in this country. People are passive. Remember when gas prices started going through the roof in 2003? There were some sporadic protests, including some truckers blocking a freeway somewhere, and widespread grumbling, but people soon shut up and just bought gas. After all, what's the alternative, unless you want to pony up big bucks for an electric car or plug-in hybrid? In some other countries, if gas was hiked that much, protests would bring the entire infrastructure to a standstill until some big wig did something about it. Not here, though.

The result? After enjoying a couple of decades of $1-$1.30 gas (remember, there was also a big deal because most pumps weren't even programmable to register over $1.99 a gallon?), $3.50-$4 a gallon is now considered a "normal" price for gas. Of course, this extra cost for fuel spills over into pretty much everything else we buy, including airfare. But no one complains, especially not the Gulf oil states, who are building ever more extravagant digs in places like Dubai and Abu Dhabi.

And ole W sits back at his Texas ranch and smirks.
2013-05-12 10:52:06 AM
1 votes:

cookiefleck: MagicBus: If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.

yeah, you get treated like cattle tho.


Being treated like cattle is an upgrade compared to how most airlines treat you these days.  If you can get first class you get upgraded to "being treated like a household pet."
2013-05-12 10:50:34 AM
1 votes:
My wife and I are planning on going from the Milwaukee area to Ruckersville VA. in August for a wedding, and we only plan on being there for the weekend.  Flying round trip, with tickets purchased now, is $485 per person.  We figured out that between flights (plural - no non stop available) security and other 'delays' it would take us about 10 hours to fly.  I know we can make the drive in 13 hours.

Rent a car for the trip is about $175 for a full size or luxury class car.  Gas will be about $250 for the round trip.  That makes driving there and back $425 plus food stops.  That is $60 cheaper than 1 of the 2 tickets to fly out there.

Methinks I will be driving out and back.  So what if I have to add an extra day on each side of the trip.  Its all the vacation I will get this year anyway.
2013-05-12 10:49:34 AM
1 votes:
Computer driven cars are going to really hurt the airlines business.  When you hop in the car, type in your destination and let google drive you there, there will be no reason to fly to a destination that is less than a 6 hour drive.  And the savings for a group will mean people might drive even longer distances to save money.
2013-05-12 10:45:44 AM
1 votes:
You know how it used to be that companies went out of their way to deserve your business, and now they just figure out how  necessary their commodity is - flight, petrol, ISP access, food -  and then keep ganking you more and more for the "privilege", every year?  You know how we, as consumers, keep trying to find workarounds for this thievery?  Well, I've looked into it and as soon as you start playing chess with these motherf*ckers, you've already blown it and it will never get any better.
2013-05-12 10:43:58 AM
1 votes:

ajgeek: The "fat bastard" fee isn't far off now.


It's coming in about five years, is my guess. And the irony is it's going to screw the people that have been demanding it, as well as tall people. Carriers are reported to be planning to make coach aisle seats 2 inches wider, while making non-aisle seats 1 inch narrower to compensate. Coach prices will remain the same for the narrower seats, while they're increased for the wider aisle seat.
2013-05-12 10:39:44 AM
1 votes:
As far as $1.99 for a cup of coffee, or even a drink of water, the airline can do that.  It's a way of saying, "Fark you, we want to squeeze very last nickel out of you that we possibly can," but they can do it, however stupid.

My expectation is that next they will say you can't bring any outside beverages on board with you, because TERROR.  Even though you had to buy them inside the airport after passing security.  Then the coffee/soda/water goes to $2.99, then $5.99, then $10.99.
2013-05-12 10:38:03 AM
1 votes:

Kibbler: cookiefleck: MagicBus: If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.

yeah, you get treated like cattle tho.

I pay through the nose on other airlines and I'm treated like cattle.

Charging $100 for a carry-on bag should be labelled a deceptive practice.  Virtually no one flies without any luggage at all, and if you do, it's assumed you're a terrorist.  So you have to take luggage.  If an airline charges $200 for a ticket, and then $100 even for a carry-on, then they are clearly, obviously, transparently trying to deceive you about the actual price.  That should be criminal.


It is often cheaper to just UPS your clothes to your destination. Added bonus you can send your camera equipment without worrying about it getting stolen or broken by baggage throwers.
2013-05-12 10:35:07 AM
1 votes:

cookiefleck: MagicBus: If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.

yeah, you get treated like cattle tho.


Southwest treats you better than most airlines.
2013-05-12 10:32:43 AM
1 votes:
If its under a 5-6 hour drive, I drive. If its longer, I fly.
2013-05-12 10:30:04 AM
1 votes:
Here's a hint for the millions of morans out there: Buying something based purely on lowest price tends to be a very expensive way of doing things.
2013-05-12 10:29:04 AM
1 votes:
If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.
2013-05-12 09:49:19 AM
1 votes:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/the-navigator-fee-h ap py-airlines-raise-the-bar-again/2013/05/09/12fa4d74-b68c-11e2-b94c -b684dda07add_story.html?tid=ts_carousel

I saw that pop up before I clicked the link, and I thought an airline was going to start charging a "navigator fee."

I hope no one from the airlines are reading this, because, you know...
2013-05-12 08:55:41 AM
1 votes:

doglover: joshiz: One thing the article didn't mention regarding elite status

Because most people don't fly enough to get that.



I kind of wonder if that's part of the motivation behind all these: squeeze out the infrequent traveller who flies once a year, if that, and usually on tickets they got at a deep discount.  Or, at least, heap these extra charges on them to balance out their cheap-ass ticket.
 
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