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2013-05-12 08:33:23 AM
One thing the article didn't mention regarding elite status: If you have status with most of the major airlines, you don't have to pay a checked bag fee for the first two bags. Luckily I am Gold with United for life (1 Million Miler).

So if you fly often, it pays to stick with one airline to achieve status. But often status doesn't do anything for change fees unless you are at the very top tiers - on United you would have to be 1K or Global Services for the change fees to be waived or reduced.

If you buy a non-refundable fare it is going to be $200 to change it. It is a completely arbitrary fee - they oversell most flights so if you have to cancel, it doesn't really negatively affect the airline...
 
2013-05-12 08:46:17 AM
Drive from where to where, exactly?
 
2013-05-12 08:51:39 AM

joshiz: One thing the article didn't mention regarding elite status


Because most people don't fly enough to get that.
 
2013-05-12 08:55:41 AM

doglover: joshiz: One thing the article didn't mention regarding elite status

Because most people don't fly enough to get that.



I kind of wonder if that's part of the motivation behind all these: squeeze out the infrequent traveller who flies once a year, if that, and usually on tickets they got at a deep discount.  Or, at least, heap these extra charges on them to balance out their cheap-ass ticket.
 
2013-05-12 09:17:00 AM
The "fat bastard" fee isn't far off now.
 
2013-05-12 09:22:08 AM

jake_lex: doglover: joshiz: One thing the article didn't mention regarding elite status

Because most people don't fly enough to get that.


I kind of wonder if that's part of the motivation behind all these: squeeze out the infrequent traveller who flies once a year, if that, and usually on tickets they got at a deep discount.  Or, at least, heap these extra charges on them to balance out their cheap-ass ticket.


What they should do is try raising the prices on the frequent fliers.

You want a blankie? The first one's free. You want blankets every time? farking show me the money.
 
2013-05-12 09:49:19 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/the-navigator-fee-h ap py-airlines-raise-the-bar-again/2013/05/09/12fa4d74-b68c-11e2-b94c -b684dda07add_story.html?tid=ts_carousel

I saw that pop up before I clicked the link, and I thought an airline was going to start charging a "navigator fee."

I hope no one from the airlines are reading this, because, you know...
 
2013-05-12 10:07:16 AM
I've taken to driving if it's 10 hours time or less for my personal travel. For business, whatever.

It's boring driving: no terrorists, food is available and prices are reasonable, no strangers fondling my nads, and once I arrive, if the driveway is full I just park on the street and walk in.
 
2013-05-12 10:13:27 AM
I have to fly back East this summer and visit family.  This really sucks as airfare is already borderline unaffordable.

I can actually remember when cheap airfare existed and I'm not old!!
 
2013-05-12 10:26:24 AM

dstanley: Drive from where to where, exactly?


From here to there
 
2013-05-12 10:27:06 AM

Smeggy Smurf: dstanley: Drive from where to where, exactly?

From here to there


Can't get there from here.
 
2013-05-12 10:27:53 AM

Smeggy Smurf: dstanley: Drive from where to where, exactly?

From here to there


Exactly.
 
2013-05-12 10:29:04 AM
If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.
 
2013-05-12 10:30:04 AM
Here's a hint for the millions of morans out there: Buying something based purely on lowest price tends to be a very expensive way of doing things.
 
2013-05-12 10:30:14 AM
Get a pilots licence and fly without the mess.

There are international treaties that cover baggage.  If they charge you and it is illegal, call the credit card company who should refund all the charges so you get a free trip.
 
2013-05-12 10:30:23 AM
Exactly what I intend to do for a 1200 mile trip this summer.  Fark you airlines.
 
2013-05-12 10:32:05 AM

MagicBus: If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.


yeah, you get treated like cattle tho.
 
2013-05-12 10:32:43 AM
If its under a 5-6 hour drive, I drive. If its longer, I fly.
 
2013-05-12 10:33:01 AM

Smeggy Smurf: dstanley: Drive from where to where, exactly?

From here to there


Specifically? "♫ ♬  Over the river and through the woods, To grandmother's house we go...♫ ♬ "
 
2013-05-12 10:33:07 AM

namegoeshere: Smeggy Smurf: dstanley: Drive from where to where, exactly?

From here to there

Can't get there from here.


Edith, you dingbat.

I'm United gold premier, and did need to pay a change fee once (I was lucky enough to be on eastern long island throughout "superstorm nemo", it was not awesome), but they also upgraded me to the front for that flight several days in advance (never saw that before). That was nice. cheers
 
2013-05-12 10:34:21 AM

edmo: I've taken to driving if it's 10 hours time or less for my personal travel. For business, whatever.

It's boring driving: no terrorists, food is available and prices are reasonable, no strangers fondling my nads, and once I arrive, if the driveway is full I just park on the street and walk in.


My "driving bubble" has increased dramatically.  Last year, I drove from Atlanta to Cape Cod.  This year will be Atlanta to DC.  Wifey and I make the drive part of the vacation and do touristy things along the way and not just at the destination.
 
2013-05-12 10:35:01 AM
Self driving cars will kill airlines for flights less than 500. If the choice is you can either arrive at the airport an an hour early, get groped by the TSA have the inevitable 30 minute delay then a 90 minute flight in the middle seat between two sumo sized passengers or get in your self driving car listen to the radio or an audio book for 5-6 hours I'll choose the car every-time.
 
2013-05-12 10:35:07 AM

cookiefleck: MagicBus: If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.

yeah, you get treated like cattle tho.


Southwest treats you better than most airlines.
 
2013-05-12 10:35:08 AM

cookiefleck: MagicBus: If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.

yeah, you get treated like cattle tho.


I pay through the nose on other airlines and I'm treated like cattle.

Charging $100 for a carry-on bag should be labelled a deceptive practice.  Virtually no one flies without any luggage at all, and if you do, it's assumed you're a terrorist.  So you have to take luggage.  If an airline charges $200 for a ticket, and then $100 even for a carry-on, then they are clearly, obviously, transparently trying to deceive you about the actual price.  That should be criminal.
 
2013-05-12 10:35:13 AM
I'm soo glad that we have high speed rail over here.
 
2013-05-12 10:36:17 AM

iron_city_ap: If its under a 5-6 hour drive, I drive. If its longer, I fly.


8 hours is where I *start* to consider a flight.

Boston to Baltimore next week. 7 hours by car from home to hotel, 7 by plane including security, and that's just from airport to airport. Why bother?
 
2013-05-12 10:36:29 AM
"How's the 'let's keep all the serfs out of the easy travel access loop' thing working out?"

"Excellent."

"Good.  Let me know when Monsanto patents all food sources and then we can roll the tanks on everybody taking home less than a phone number a year."

"Man, I gotta tell you, I thought this would be a lot harder."
 
2013-05-12 10:36:49 AM
That's it, from now on I'm going to pay Maersk to put me in a box. And shipping is already so cheap I don't mind the extra fee to not lose my container overboard in the middle of the Atlantic.

I don't know what to do inside North America though... the Mississippi has shipping traffic right? Has anyone here survived in a steel box floating up the Missouri? It's something to try.
 
2013-05-12 10:37:04 AM
Anytime I travel to where I will be visiting friends or family and there is a baggage fee I pack ahead of time and UPS or Fed-Ex my stuff to them, which typically costs $40 to $50. I can then fly with my purse only.
 
2013-05-12 10:38:03 AM

Kibbler: cookiefleck: MagicBus: If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.

yeah, you get treated like cattle tho.

I pay through the nose on other airlines and I'm treated like cattle.

Charging $100 for a carry-on bag should be labelled a deceptive practice.  Virtually no one flies without any luggage at all, and if you do, it's assumed you're a terrorist.  So you have to take luggage.  If an airline charges $200 for a ticket, and then $100 even for a carry-on, then they are clearly, obviously, transparently trying to deceive you about the actual price.  That should be criminal.


It is often cheaper to just UPS your clothes to your destination. Added bonus you can send your camera equipment without worrying about it getting stolen or broken by baggage throwers.
 
2013-05-12 10:39:44 AM
As far as $1.99 for a cup of coffee, or even a drink of water, the airline can do that.  It's a way of saying, "Fark you, we want to squeeze very last nickel out of you that we possibly can," but they can do it, however stupid.

My expectation is that next they will say you can't bring any outside beverages on board with you, because TERROR.  Even though you had to buy them inside the airport after passing security.  Then the coffee/soda/water goes to $2.99, then $5.99, then $10.99.
 
2013-05-12 10:39:56 AM

liam76: cookiefleck: MagicBus: If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.

yeah, you get treated like cattle tho.

Southwest treats you better than most airlines.


never had a problem with American Eagle.
 
2013-05-12 10:40:24 AM

Carth: Kibbler: cookiefleck: MagicBus: If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.

yeah, you get treated like cattle tho.

I pay through the nose on other airlines and I'm treated like cattle.

Charging $100 for a carry-on bag should be labelled a deceptive practice.  Virtually no one flies without any luggage at all, and if you do, it's assumed you're a terrorist.  So you have to take luggage.  If an airline charges $200 for a ticket, and then $100 even for a carry-on, then they are clearly, obviously, transparently trying to deceive you about the actual price.  That should be criminal.

It is often cheaper to just UPS your clothes to your destination. Added bonus you can send your camera equipment without worrying about it getting stolen or broken by baggage throwers.


Lots of Youtube videos showing violent UPS deliveries.  I don't know how well my camera would take a 10 foot toss onto a porch.
 
2013-05-12 10:41:07 AM
Amtrak or driving. Took amtrak from vermont to dallas.  4 days, one way, but you know what?  The journey was more than half the fun..  And they are adding wi-fi on most of their lines soon.

Loved it, and it was WAY cheaper.  4 bags free,  2 checked, 2 carryons.
 
2013-05-12 10:41:23 AM
Buy suit.  Get hired as CEO.  Squeeze every last penny from the plebes from behind a stone wall.  Pay the workers sh*t.  Tank company.  Pull ripcord.  Repeat.
 
2013-05-12 10:42:36 AM

cookiefleck: MagicBus: If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.

yeah, you get treated like cattle tho.


I fly for buisiness...a lot. I always hear that argument about Southwest but I don't understand it. I get treated the same with SW as I do with any other airline.

If you're referring to the seating arrangements somehow, I can tell you its not the big deal some drama queens make it out to be.
 
2013-05-12 10:42:40 AM
Domestically I don't understand why anyone flies on anything but Southwest.  Didn't seen them on the list of bilkers, did you?  Oh, you want an assigned seat and don't want to wait in line?  Get over it.  If you want to throw away hundreds to be pampered for a few hours you might as well fly first class.
 
2013-05-12 10:43:04 AM
As someone who's soon going to fly for the first time since Nov. 2001, I am apprehensive.  Seems getting on an airplane is like going into hospital; you don't know if you'll come out alive or bankrupt.
 
2013-05-12 10:43:09 AM
I haven't flown in 20 years and unless someone else is paying and wants me there fast that's not likely to change. Maybe I'm a cheapskate or something but it's just too expensive and I really enjoy driving. I'm a firm believer in the saying "Getting there is half the fun." and flying just sucks the fun right out of it.
 
2013-05-12 10:43:19 AM

MagicBus: If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.


My last move was 2000 miles. My girlfriend and I flew Southwest. $130 after taxes and fees and we each had two giant bags of stuff that we needed while waiting for the rest of our possessions to arrive.

Driving is not a welcome alternative for me. Most of my trips are 1000+ miles and I'm alone or with one other person. I generally pay around $250 for a ticket for the destinations that I frequent. It costs much more in gas, a hotel, food, and my time than the airfare does.
 
2013-05-12 10:43:53 AM

RickN99: Carth: Kibbler: cookiefleck: MagicBus: If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.

yeah, you get treated like cattle tho.

I pay through the nose on other airlines and I'm treated like cattle.

Charging $100 for a carry-on bag should be labelled a deceptive practice.  Virtually no one flies without any luggage at all, and if you do, it's assumed you're a terrorist.  So you have to take luggage.  If an airline charges $200 for a ticket, and then $100 even for a carry-on, then they are clearly, obviously, transparently trying to deceive you about the actual price.  That should be criminal.

It is often cheaper to just UPS your clothes to your destination. Added bonus you can send your camera equipment without worrying about it getting stolen or broken by baggage throwers.

Lots of Youtube videos showing violent UPS deliveries.  I don't know how well my camera would take a 10 foot toss onto a porch.


UPS offers insurance up to $50,000 if you declare the amount when you ship it. Airlines typically won't cover anything over a few hundred. If your camera equipment costs more than $50k you should consider flying private or break it up into two shipments.
 
2013-05-12 10:43:58 AM

ajgeek: The "fat bastard" fee isn't far off now.


It's coming in about five years, is my guess. And the irony is it's going to screw the people that have been demanding it, as well as tall people. Carriers are reported to be planning to make coach aisle seats 2 inches wider, while making non-aisle seats 1 inch narrower to compensate. Coach prices will remain the same for the narrower seats, while they're increased for the wider aisle seat.
 
2013-05-12 10:43:59 AM
I haven't flown since 2005, when I retired from my first career and started my current business. I drive or I don't go. Living in the SF Bay Area makes the entire Left Coast accessible in one (longish) day for my wife and I. We simply hop into our Golf TDi and blast up or down I-5 to family functions near Seattle or to visit the grandkids in Portland or Tucson. For less than a hundred bucks each way the two of us can go anywhere up or down the coast in one day. No airline comes anywhere close to that convenience.
 
2013-05-12 10:44:00 AM

historycat: Amtrak or driving. Took amtrak from vermont to dallas.  4 days, one way, but you know what?  The journey was more than half the fun..  And they are adding wi-fi on most of their lines soon.

Loved it, and it was WAY cheaper.  4 bags free,  2 checked, 2 carryons.


Ain't nobody got TIME fo' dat!
 
2013-05-12 10:44:19 AM

raerae1980: I have to fly back East this summer and visit family.  This really sucks as airfare is already borderline unaffordable.

I can actually remember when cheap airfare existed and I'm not old!!


Airfares have dropped consistently since deregulation in 1978 and are now 50% cheaper.

Air travel used to be a luxury. Now it's like a flying bus.
 
2013-05-12 10:45:11 AM
travel it its own is a luxury if you can afford it.

the public screamed for lower ticket prices, and we got them...but this is a by-product.

so either ship your clothes, bring your own coffee maker, plan accordingly, or accept the fees because you are the customer accepting this five hour coast to coast service in the first place.
 
2013-05-12 10:45:18 AM

cookiefleck: MagicBus: If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.

yeah, you get treated like cattle tho.


I don't really understand the 'you get treated like cattle' attitude. I have flied Southwest a lot because my hubby had their companion pass (with me as the companion flying free wherever he went) last year. Yea, you have to line up in groups. I fly other airlines for business (but not enough to get any status) and their boarding process is just a huge mob of people and whoever is the pushiest gets on first. 'Group 2' now boarding- oh great 100 people who all are supposed to get on the plane at the same moment. To make thing worse, since checking bags costs $$ everyone wants to bring two gigantic carry ons.
 
2013-05-12 10:45:44 AM
You know how it used to be that companies went out of their way to deserve your business, and now they just figure out how  necessary their commodity is - flight, petrol, ISP access, food -  and then keep ganking you more and more for the "privilege", every year?  You know how we, as consumers, keep trying to find workarounds for this thievery?  Well, I've looked into it and as soon as you start playing chess with these motherf*ckers, you've already blown it and it will never get any better.
 
2013-05-12 10:46:32 AM
Meh -- I'm 31 and have only flown maybe 7 or 8 times in my life so i largely don't give a crap. If you are a business traveler -- you probably don't care because you either: 1) aren't paying for it or 2) can write it off.

I do however fully support massive fees for the fat farks that weigh 350lbs and require two seat belt extenders. It's the family of 10 that's flying on some uber cheap "can barely afford the gas in their car" that needs to be pushed out as well. These are the people that cheap out on every decision, but still expect the service of a platinum level.

Last trip i took was a 1 way to pick up my Z06 in Houston - i could have flow spirit for cheap and tried to dodge an assload of fees, I opted to pay the extra 50 bucks for the ticket with American that already included everything I needed.
 
2013-05-12 10:49:34 AM
Computer driven cars are going to really hurt the airlines business.  When you hop in the car, type in your destination and let google drive you there, there will be no reason to fly to a destination that is less than a 6 hour drive.  And the savings for a group will mean people might drive even longer distances to save money.
 
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