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2013-05-12 02:01:04 PM
sendtodave : It was better in the old days, before airlines started trying to squeeze every penny out of you.

Where in that chart do they show the increase in plane capacities and the decrease in the quality of food service.

I would gladly pay the old rates if it meant not being stuffed in like sardines, or served food that wouldn't be suitable for a high school cafeteria.
 
2013-05-12 02:02:22 PM

ekdikeo4: Delta is the worst offender I've seen of it.  Every flight I've ever taken from Delta has asked a minimum of 6 people to change.  I do Southwest now, it hardly ever happens there


Don't stop flying Delta, please. I  like getting bumped. It's either free money or an extra subsidized vacation day or both. But it only works if the plane is full. You're part of the process!
 
2013-05-12 02:05:42 PM

Mock26: Also, I thought I remember reading something about this last week and they said that carry-on fee was not for things like a backpack, but it was for people who were bringing their luggage as a carry on.


One of the things I used to do to fudge with carry-on rules was to wear a USAF Tactical/Survival Vest. Available online or at most Army surplus shops.

www.police-uniforms.com

So many pockets to stash stuff, and the airlines couldn't do a damn thing about it because it was more like a coat/jacket than a bag.

Probably a PITA to get through screening to empty all the pockets, but if it gets through free and drives the TSA goons nuts, all the better.
 
2013-05-12 02:08:02 PM
If only Amtrack didn't suck. I don't mean they have bad service (having never used it), but they don't have ENOUGH service, and last I checked the cost was almost the same to fly to Indy and would have taken 24 hours with a switch in Chicago...
 
2013-05-12 02:10:50 PM

semiotix: DigitalCoffee: And the overhead bins need to be divided per seat. You get to use the space assigned to your seat and THAT'S IT! None of the 'fill the entire bin assigned to your row plus the next row forward' bullshiat. If it don't fit it gets left behind, you bin hogging asshole.

I've never actually seen anyone do this, at least since they started charging for checked bags and those bins became valuable real estate. I have seen people get held up at the gate because they're carrying six purses and backpacks in addition to their giant wheelie bag, though. And I've seen flight attendants make people hold their jackets or put their handbags under the seat to cram more wheelie bags in.

Then again, I've also seen a woman solve the problem of "not enough bin space for my giant wheelie bag" by taking out someone else's wheelie bag and putting it in an empty seat. So the real problem may be that we're letting people onto these flights in the first place, and that's harder to work around.


More than a few times I have seen people throw their bag in the first available overhead space and then proceed to sit down towards the back of the plane.
 
2013-05-12 02:11:42 PM

TV's Vinnie: Mock26: Also, I thought I remember reading something about this last week and they said that carry-on fee was not for things like a backpack, but it was for people who were bringing their luggage as a carry on.

One of the things I used to do to fudge with carry-on rules was to wear a USAF Tactical/Survival Vest. Available online or at most Army surplus shops.

[www.police-uniforms.com image 250x299]

So many pockets to stash stuff, and the airlines couldn't do a damn thing about it because it was more like a coat/jacket than a bag.

Probably a PITA to get through screening to empty all the pockets, but if it gets through free and drives the TSA goons nuts, all the better.


No need to empty the pockets, just take it off and pass through the x-ray machine.
 
2013-05-12 02:20:15 PM

dukeblue219: Your Average Witty Fark User: I remember paying under $200 for round trip airfare to Vegas, and that INCLUDED lodging for four or five nights

When was this? How much has inflation and fuel prices changed since then?


During the last years of the Clinton administration.

I fully understand inflation, what I don't understand is why Southwest was the only airline to accurately forecast the rise in fuel prices. I'm not going to pay more because you can't manage your business. I'll drive instead.
 
2013-05-12 02:20:17 PM
anfrind: I recently read that the technology exists, for example, to build a train system in which the train rides through a vacuum tube (the train would have its own pressurized cabin) on a maglev or similar track, and would be able to achieve a top speed of about 4,000 miles per hour, easily moving people and cargo faster than any airplane.  The problem, of course, is that designing and building even a proof-of-concept is prohibitively expensive and would upset a lot of moneyed interests.

Oooooh! A human bunny-tube! Will I 'ding' upon arrival?
 
2013-05-12 02:22:30 PM

Savage Belief: Between this, the tsa gropers and the porn xray scanners it's a wonder anyone flies anymore.


I don't...

Well, that and I'm poor and started a new job and have like no vacation days right now... meh, maybe in a few years i'll take another long vacation. 5 years ago before I started my previous job, me and the hubby and a friend all took a nice 2-3 week vacation and we drove from Wisconsin all the way out to Seattle, then drove down the California coast to San Francisco, came back up and around thru Utah and hit the national parks, stopped in Colorado, etc.  It was an amazing trip and loved the entire drive! Flying to all of those places would be super expensive and you'd miss so much. I Much prefer road trips anyways!
 
2013-05-12 02:25:49 PM
In reality, people just need to somewhat ignore the fees, or rather, don't get so worked up about them...it's really just the cost of flying being presented in a more itemized fashion, thanks in part due to internet ticket sales.  The fees are used to allow the base ticket cost to be more competitive, as it is compared side by side with other base ticket costs.

I suspect this will be short term, because it doesn't seem like it would be that hard for a travel site to include more questions prior to the search that would then allow it more accurately calculate the cost (e.g. number of checked bags, number of carry-ons).

Psychologically it's annoying, but you just have to look past it and accept that the $99 ticket price is really a $199 ticket...and just whether its still affordable from that perspective.

/no association with any airline...just tired of useless outrage
 
2013-05-12 02:34:02 PM

eggrolls: iron_city_ap: If its under a 5-6 hour drive, I drive. If its longer, I fly.

8 hours is where I *start* to consider a flight.

Boston to Baltimore next week. 7 hours by car from home to hotel, 7 by plane including security, and that's just from airport to airport. Why bother?


That's a bit extreme.  I've done day trips from Boston to DC (BWI and National) without it being too bad for either time or money.  Driving from Boston to Baltimore can be way longer than 7 hours if you get stuck in traffic near NYC or on the NJ Turnpike.
 
2013-05-12 03:08:56 PM

namegoeshere: Smeggy Smurf: dstanley: Drive from where to where, exactly?

From here to there

Can't get there from here.


There is no there there.
 
2013-05-12 03:15:52 PM
I live in the Seattle area.  Vancouver, Spokane, and Portland have always been faster to reach by car than by air considering travel to and from airports and time to clear security.  Boise is borderline.

Lately the radius within which I'd prefer to drive has expanded from that representing a 6-hour drive to that representing a 2-day drive.  Salt Lake, Reno, and the Bay Area are within one long day's drive, and I can get to Denver, Phoenix, Las Vegas, or Los Angeles in 2 days.

I'd also rather spend 4 days driving to Anchorage and take as much stuff as I want than fly and pay baggage fees.
 
2013-05-12 03:26:10 PM

Carth: He_Hate_Me: Why is everyone complaining?  If you'd just fly first class, you'd get your own bed.

[i67.photobucket.com image 470x353]

/let them eat cake

That as first class? Maybe 5-10 years ago.

[www.justfares.com image 632x474]

is what it looks like now.


www.justfares.com

Whoa hoss...if that's part of the furniture, I need to start flying more often.

/obscure?
 
2013-05-12 03:28:47 PM
They should be charging the passengers and their baggage by weight and seat capacity.
 
2013-05-12 03:31:14 PM

Nuclear Monk: Psychologically it's annoying, but you just have to look past it and accept that the $99 ticket price is really a $199 ticket...and just whether its still affordable from that perspective.


I don't mean to pick on you specifically, but I firmly believe this attitude summarizes concisely so much about what is wrong with this country.  That we're just supposed to accept that it's an expected part of regular daily life to be lied to by the powerful and connected, and that not only is this to be expected, but we shouldn't even care to try doing anything about it.

That's a $199 ticket, not a $99 ticket.  It's not okay to just call it a $99 ticket because that sells better, and because (almost) everyone else is doing the same thing.  It's fraud.  It's lying,  It's bullshiat.  It's wrong.
 
2013-05-12 03:35:40 PM
United Airlines quietly raised its change fees... American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and US Airways quickly followed.

How doesn't that count as collusion?


shroom: That's a $199 ticket, not a $99 ticket. It's not okay to just call it a $99 ticket because that sells better, and because (almost) everyone else is doing the same thing. It's fraud. It's lying, It's bullshiat. It's wrong.


I agree. It's like hotels charging $25/night "resort fees".
 
2013-05-12 03:35:50 PM

Stone Meadow: Carth: He_Hate_Me: Why is everyone complaining?  If you'd just fly first class, you'd get your own bed.

[i67.photobucket.com image 470x353]

/let them eat cake

That as first class? Maybe 5-10 years ago.

[www.justfares.com image 632x474]

is what it looks like now.

[www.justfares.com image 632x474]

Whoa hoss...if that's part of the furniture, I need to start flying more often.

/obscure?


Soylent Green is never obscure.
 
2013-05-12 03:39:12 PM
Don't fly, kick, popcorn, etc.

The insecurity theater drove me off air travel long before 9/11, and having read of insecurity stupidity being applied to trains and buses, as far as I'm concerned, mass transit does not exist.

If I can't drive there, I don't go.

Between the intolerable insecurity conditions, and this new fees-everywhere tactic combining to drive people to drive more, I see a self-destructive circle forming.

My only complaint about people going off other forms of travel is the increased road traffic. I have no problem with long-haul driving, a 24 hour trip is two days road time for me.

Yes, it requires extra time, but as I do not have realistic alternatives to driving, I factor the time in.
 
2013-05-12 03:39:18 PM
Haven't flown on any airlines since 1993, will DRIVE instead of putting up with being treated like cattle going to slaughter.
 
2013-05-12 03:52:55 PM

cig-mkr: Yep, I'll drive
[s3.amazonaws.com image 600x342]


Looks like the 5 in the valley.
 
2013-05-12 03:53:02 PM

Gig103: United Airlines quietly raised its change fees... American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and US Airways quickly followed.

How doesn't that count as collusion?



Because it is not.
 
2013-05-12 04:07:14 PM
I make a 12 or so hour drive to Chicago every now and then, and I make it fly by.  I always bring audio books, short story collections, whatever.  I use to travel 80% of the time on business and always flew.  I seriously don't miss that crap at all.
 
2013-05-12 04:12:01 PM

p51d007: Haven't flown on any airlines since 1993, will DRIVE instead of putting up with being treated like cattle going to slaughter.


Um... look, guy, I'm not one to defend the airlines, but if you haven't been on a plane in twenty years it's either because you've never gone anywhere in that time where it would make sense to fly, or you have a problem with flying that goes WAY beyond disappointing customer service.

Not that there's anything wrong with any of that, it's a perfectly valid lifestyle choice etc., but that's like me saying I haven't touched alcohol in twenty years because Zima was so disappointing.
 
2013-05-12 04:19:30 PM

saturn badger: namegoeshere: Smeggy Smurf: dstanley: Drive from where to where, exactly?

From here to there

Can't get there from here.

There is no there there.


I know.  As soon as you get to there it becomes here.
 
2013-05-12 04:21:24 PM

shroom: Nuclear Monk: Psychologically it's annoying, but you just have to look past it and accept that the $99 ticket price is really a $199 ticket...and just whether its still affordable from that perspective.

I don't mean to pick on you specifically, but I firmly believe this attitude summarizes concisely so much about what is wrong with this country.  That we're just supposed to accept that it's an expected part of regular daily life to be lied to by the powerful and connected, and that not only is this to be expected, but we shouldn't even care to try doing anything about it.

That's a $199 ticket, not a $99 ticket.  It's not okay to just call it a $99 ticket because that sells better, and because (almost) everyone else is doing the same thing.  It's fraud.  It's lying,  It's bullshiat.  It's wrong.


No it's not.  It's still $99 if you don't check baggage, etc.  I fly multiple times a month and the only time I checked a bag in the last year was when I went to Buenos Aires for a week.  Have to go through customs anyway.  And no, I don't even have a huge wheelie suitcase.  I have a small soft sided suitcase with wheels, but it's pretty small and squishes smaller, and a backpack I can put under the seat in front of me.   Carries everything I need, and I don't pay any of the other extra fees either.  Except the change fee, but that's different from ticket cost.

So personally, I'd much rather have the option of not paying the baggage fee than have it built into the ticket.
 
2013-05-12 04:44:30 PM

Smeggy Smurf: dstanley: Drive from where to where, exactly?

From here to there


From there to here,
funny things are everywhere.
 
2013-05-12 04:50:48 PM
i rode on Amtrak last year a couple of times (Baltimore-DC-Harper's Ferry, Harrisburg-Philly)

say what you will about the lack of access and the woefully cheap seating system (pieces of tape)

that was a way better experience than flying, i mean you get HUGE amounts of leg room (enough for myself stretched out + my hiking gear), no check-in (you just bring it with you), there were wall outlets right there next to me so i could charge my stuff, and i could still use my phone/devices (also, free wifi!)
 
2013-05-12 04:52:16 PM

aerojockey: $100 for a carry on bag


www.aerojockey.com 

/passeners holding up the line so they can cram their oversized bags in the overhead bin are the most annoying thing about flying

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-12 05:00:40 PM

anfrind: Stone Meadow: obscure?

Soylent Green is never obscure.


Yeah, there was never any hope of that. ;^)
 
2013-05-12 05:17:56 PM

dstanley: Drive from where to where, exactly?


Any drive less than six hours. It takes at least 3 hours to fly ANYWHERE, door to door, and 5-8 if you have to connect. So Atlanta to New York, yeah, you have to fly. Atlanta to Nashvile? No freakin' way would I fly rather than do the four-and-a-half-hour drive.
 
2013-05-12 05:33:04 PM
From the article "Can't Congress do something? Not really. "
I beg to differ.
Standard Oil co. and ATT didn't just decide to split up on their own.
 
2013-05-12 05:50:26 PM

AdamK: i rode on Amtrak last year a couple of times (Baltimore-DC-Harper's Ferry, Harrisburg-Philly)

say what you will about the lack of access and the woefully cheap seating system (pieces of tape)

that was a way better experience than flying, i mean you get HUGE amounts of leg room (enough for myself stretched out + my hiking gear), no check-in (you just bring it with you), there were wall outlets right there next to me so i could charge my stuff, and i could still use my phone/devices (also, free wifi!)


I'm seriously considering doing something like that for a trip this summer.  I just did a bit of online research and came up with the following options:

1. Fly with one stop, ~$500 round trip, about 7 hours travel time each way.
2. Fly non-stop, ~$600 round trip, about 5 hours travel time each way.
2. Drive, ~$550 worth of gasoline round trip, about 24 hours travel each way time plus sleeping breaks (lodging cost not determined).
3. Take Amtrak, change trains once, ~$350, about 31 hours travel time each way.
4. Same as #3 except with a roomette for sleeping on the longer stretch, ~$825 round trip (for some reason the roomette on the return trip costs twice as much as on the trip out).

To be honest, in that particular case Amtrak seems close enough in price that it might be worth the extra cost to get some extra leg room and possibly a bed to sleep on, assuming I can get the extra time off.
 
2013-05-12 06:19:00 PM

enry: eggrolls: iron_city_ap: If its under a 5-6 hour drive, I drive. If its longer, I fly.

8 hours is where I *start* to consider a flight.

Boston to Baltimore next week. 7 hours by car from home to hotel, 7 by plane including security, and that's just from airport to airport. Why bother?

That's a bit extreme.  I've done day trips from Boston to DC (BWI and National) without it being too bad for either time or money.  Driving from Boston to Baltimore can be way longer than 7 hours if you get stuck in traffic near NYC or on the NJ Turnpike.


Mass Turnpike to I84 to NYS Thruway - switch to 287, then pick up I-95/NJTPK in the NJ back woods after NYC mess. And I'm traveling on a Saturday
 
2013-05-12 06:38:01 PM

Smeggy Smurf: saturn badger: namegoeshere: Smeggy Smurf: dstanley: Drive from where to where, exactly?

From here to there

Can't get there from here.

There is no there there.

I know.  As soon as you get to there it becomes here.


And then here becomes where you don't want to be.

http://members.chello.nl/smetaal/usu1.htm

So you leave there to go anywhere.
 
2013-05-12 06:45:05 PM
It's costing the manfriend and I about $2,200 (total, roundtrip) to fly economy on BA from Atlanta to Heathrow with no stops (we paid extra for the luxury of not having to stop by about $100 per person). This is more reasonable than the $3,500 it would've cost us to take American. This is the second flight we've taken in the last six months and it was more expensive this time around than it was to go during the Christmas and New Year holidays. The hell is up with that?

I've never had to fly domestically because even the 10 hour drive from New Orleans to Orlando my family used to take annually was done via car and I'm used to driving. I'd love to see Amtrak updated with better rails, the ability to actually reach it's top speeds (12 hours from New Orleans to Atlanta on Amtrak when it takes seven hours to drive), and I would take the train in a goddamn second over the hassle of flying. Plus the train has a observation car and I can bring my own booze and stretch my legs without a twitchy flight attendant telling me I've been doing leg stretches in the aisle for two minutes and therefore need to sit down.
 
2013-05-12 06:56:37 PM
I am mixed on the carry on bag fee.  It would suck if it applies to all carry-ons since I usually have a laptop bag and a small gym bag.  However, if it only applied to all the ass clowns who try to bring on the biggest rollaway possible then I would be all for it.  These retards slow the loading process to a crawl.
 
2013-05-12 07:08:34 PM

Mock26: Gig103: United Airlines quietly raised its change fees... American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and US Airways quickly followed.

How doesn't that count as collusion?

Because it is not.


I was asking how, not just if it is or not. I see it as a fine line between meeting and saying "Let's make the price $200" and "Hey look, USAir raised their price so let's all do the same instead of being competitive"
 
2013-05-12 07:32:10 PM

RocketRay: cig-mkr: Yep, I'll drive
[s3.amazonaws.com image 600x342]

Looks like the 5 in the valley.


Actually, it looks a whole lot like the 5 out near Calabasas - at about 5 PM on a weekday.  I've driven that route when going between Anaheim and Sacramento WAY too many times.

The only time my guy or I will consider flying over driving is if it's a trip one or the other of us has to make alone.  We learned that Dallas to Anaheim is about a 16-18 hour drive, depending on which route we take.  Dallas to NYC is about 22 hours.  So we have to add a couple of days to the length of a trip, which is not a big deal.

The best part: I don't have to worry about my cameras, my computers or any of my luggage getting lost.  I am not subjected to the entertainment choices of others.  I don't have to listen to screaming kids.  I can carry my full sized shampoo and body wash.  I can pack my own drinks and snacks.  I don't have to worry if, should I buy things on the trip, that I'll be forced to pony up checked bag fees.

In short, screw the airlines as long as I have car keys.
 
2013-05-12 07:47:27 PM

Gig103: Mock26: Gig103: United Airlines quietly raised its change fees... American Airlines, Delta Air Lines and US Airways quickly followed.

How doesn't that count as collusion?

Because it is not.

I was asking how, not just if it is or not. I see it as a fine line between meeting and saying "Let's make the price $200" and "Hey look, USAir raised their price so let's all do the same instead of being competitive"


It is just businesses trying to keep up with each other.  So, United raised its change fees.  If the other airlines did not then they would suck business off of United.  But, United could then respond by dropping prices elsewhere and not only steal back its lost business but also get some more.  And everyone starts cutting prices to undercut the competition they all lose money, but the bottom line is different for all airlines and a costing cutting war will put some of them out of business.  So, the owners instead take the stance that for their own survivability it is best to keep their prices very close to that of the competitors.  There is no need for collusion when it is in their best interest to match prices.

Of course, I am probably making a hash of all of that, because it was something I read years ago in a newspaper article about airline pricing and I could very well be 100% wrong.
 
2013-05-12 08:04:30 PM
There is only one way to fight a leviathan.  Shut of it's money, because it's money is it's air supply.  You starve it.  Difficulty, you might have to be inconvenienced.
 
2013-05-12 08:55:57 PM

bunner: There is only one way to fight a leviathan.  Shut of it's money, because it's money is it's air supply.  You starve it.  Difficulty, you might have to be inconvenienced.


I think that's pretty much the message here...wouldn't you agree?
 
2013-05-12 08:59:00 PM
I solved this problem a few years ago.

Anyone who travels frequently to the same place. Stay at the same hotel as often as possible, Join their club . I am a Diamond Hilton Honors member.
Get to know the front desk people. When you make your reservation, tell them they are going to receive a fed ex package the day of or before your arrival and to hold it for you. If it arrives the day of they will put it in your room for you.

Fed Ex your luggage using the corporate account make sure to insert an extra slip and ticket for the return trip.

When you leave drop the same box off at the front counter. It actually costs less in the long run when you are only shipping a few changes of clothes and minimal personal care items.

Makes getting through security a breeze, I leave my laptop at the office most of the time.
 
2013-05-12 09:02:48 PM

dstanley: Drive from where to where, exactly?


Bangor Maine to Honolulu
 
2013-05-12 09:06:14 PM

bunner: aerojockey: $100 for a carry on bag

[www.aerojockey.com image 379x214] 

/passeners holding up the line so they can cram their oversized bags in the overhead bin are the most annoying thing about flying

[i.imgur.com image 377x213]


Carry on bags contain the stuff you might want for the flight - book(s)/kindle, laptop maybe, a bottle of water, travel documents, maybe that little pillow that helps you sleep. The overhead locker then takes (mostly empty) bags, coats, hats etc.

People who take their whole farking suitcase on the plane are annoying because they take up the whole fracking locker and their enormous bag crushes my hat. Your 5 minutes wait to get your bag back out of the hold is not more important than my hat, no sir!
 
2013-05-12 09:16:29 PM

Mock26: Of course, I am probably making a hash of all of that, because it was something I read years ago in a newspaper article about airline pricing and I could very well be 100% wrong.


It's probably at least sort of true, but then again the newspaper could have been swallowing the airlines' BS... meh. I sort of like driving cross country, but it may be a while before I get to do it again..
 
2013-05-12 09:47:22 PM
Flying from one of Allegiantair hubs used to be great. NW Indiana to Orlando + hotel for 7 days + rental car for a family of 4 in 2011 = $1400.

Now, it's a minimum $2000.

It's a long drive, but for $900 including rental, gas, food and a cheap hotel on the way, I think we're driving this time.
 
2013-05-13 12:19:32 AM

Gothnet: People who take their whole farking suitcase on the plane are annoying because they take up the whole fracking locker and their enormous bag crushes my hat. Your 5 minutes wait to get your bag back out of the hold is not more important than my hat, no sir!


It's not the 5 minutes, it's the $50 round trip, which you are free to cough up for me. I think the best/fairest way to do it would be "one roller bag free", whether it's in the main cabin at the normal carry-on size, or one checked in the hold up to 50lbs. Because I know I'd rather be bag-free going through TSA if it wasn't $100 for my wife and I to do so.
 
2013-05-13 12:37:37 AM

edmo: I've taken to driving if it's 10 hours time or less for my personal travel. For business, whatever.

It's boring driving: no terrorists, food is available and prices are reasonable, no strangers fondling my nads, and once I arrive, if the driveway is full I just park on the street and walk in.


My personal rule of thumb is to drive if it is <= 18 hours drive time. I figure that once you add up the travel time to the airport, how early you "must" be there, potential waits at connections, the inconvenience of having to travel as light as possible, the fees for taking anything with you, the parking fees, the potential for lost/damaged baggage or the TSA stealing stuff from your bags (happens high % of time to me), the lack of comfort on the plane due to myriad factors, etc, etc...

I'll take my car.

In my car, I can take whatever I want (especially video game stuff when having to visit relatives), experience comfort which offers climate control, noise control, passenger control, the ability to get a beverage when I want it (and at reasonable prices), the ability to get food, not having to x-ray my xbox HDD and get it scrambled (again), not having my stuff stolen (unless my car is, and then I'm insured), and the chance to see some neat scenery!

Yes, I'll only fly if it is practically impossible to drive from point A to B (e.g. U.S. to England) or if driving would take so long that it would require a hotel stay (which I define as 18+ hrs, but could stretch to 24+ if I HAD to) OR if the ticket price is SO cheap that the cost of flying is way less than driving (hundreds of $$).

For business, I don't give a crap because I'm not paying for anything and I'm being compensated for my time. Also, I can feel free to fly from a more local and smaller airport (typically more $$) which adds to the convenience. Fortunately, I currently am only traveling in-state so I don't even have to bother with the airline headache.

Special note: You can also check into getting your own plane and pilot's license. The main cost (besides BUYING the plane) is the required maintenance on the plane, but the convenience is unparalleled, with access to many small non-commercial airports which have nice amenities, possibly including loaner cars.
 
2013-05-13 03:24:01 AM

namegoeshere: Smeggy Smurf: dstanley: Drive from where to where, exactly?

From here to there

Can't get there from here,

Baby...And I don't care where I'm going
 
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