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2013-05-12 11:20:56 AM
I'd rather they just include it in the ticket price. Of course, they created this situation with the baggage charges in the first place. Now everyone wants to carry on, and boarding is a real hassle because of all the carry on luggage. At $100 for a carry on, I might just go to WalMart and buy some clothes when I get there, or UPS the bags ahead. Of course traveling with no luggage singles you out as a terrorist... no win situation... :-/
 
2013-05-12 11:21:04 AM
To get from DFW to TYS in Knoxville direct, you're pretty much stuck with American Eagle. But like i've said, I haven't had any problems and they treat me great.
 
2013-05-12 11:22:15 AM

digistil: Smeggy Smurf: dstanley: Drive from where to where, exactly?

From here to there

Ok, how do I get from Heathrow to JFK by car?


Drive onto the boat.  Sail across the ocean.  Drive off boat.
 
2013-05-12 11:22:49 AM

joshiz: One thing the article didn't mention regarding elite status: If you have status with most of the major airlines, you don't have to pay a checked bag fee for the first two bags. Luckily I am Gold with United for life (1 Million Miler).

So if you fly often, it pays to stick with one airline to achieve status. But often status doesn't do anything for change fees unless you are at the very top tiers - on United you would have to be 1K or Global Services for the change fees to be waived or reduced.

If you buy a non-refundable fare it is going to be $200 to change it. It is a completely arbitrary fee - they oversell most flights so if you have to cancel, it doesn't really negatively affect the airline...


Nope, the change fee now applies to even the most elite level flyers.   I actually told a supervisor at United their policies are "absurd and asinine" on Friday.   I have a trip to Chicago planned next weekend.   Turns out I need to fly to San  Fran next week for work, so I'm just going to fly from SF to Chicago.  So I call United to tell them I don't need the first leg of my roundtrip ticket, I just need the flight home.  I don't want a refund, just let them know I won't be on it.  Response?  They tried to charge me $258 to NOT take a flight.  They could resell my seat even, and I've already paid for the return trip, but somehow if I don't get on the first leg, they cancel my ticket home.   There was no workaround.   I ended up canceling the trip and booking a three legged flight on another airline.

As for Southwest, they're good with the change fee, but I have to fly through Houston to get anywhere (i much prefer direct flights) and they're just as expensive, or more, than other airlines now.  And they try to get fees out of you to be in boarding group A.

So I now have about 35k miles on five different airlines simply because I have to use different airlines to fly different places.    I have been told that there's a site you can use to combine them, points.com maybe? I haven't tried it but have been told it's good.
 
2013-05-12 11:23:21 AM

Carth: letrole: don't like capitalism?

so go setup and run your own airline, comrade

How about we remove the regulation letting only US owned airlines fly between domestic destinations instead? If we could have Cathay Pacific or lufthansa fly us NY to LA i bet other airlines would have to improve their service pretty quick.




Yep, this would change all US carriers service. With the consolidation of the US carriers, there aren't many options, especially for people like me who live in a city with service from only 3 airlines. It isn't worth the drive to Milwaukee or Chicago to get access to more airlines. I might as well drive to my destination at that point.
 
2013-05-12 11:23:26 AM

Steve 319: Not to be outdone, Frontier Airlines announced that for tickets booked anywhere except on its Web site, it would raise its luggage charges and impose a fee of up to $100 for certain carry-on bags

If you want to fly on Southwest, you can't book anywhere but on their website, They are not available on Travelocity, Expedia etc.

The actual fee for a carry on in the overhead bin is going to be $25, but only if you didn't buy your ticket on the flyfrontier website, buy it on the website and it is free. also a carry on that fits under the seat in front of you is free.

the $100 fee is for those that check in and decide that their carryon will fit under the seat in front of them, and discover when they get to the airplane that it will not.

/ full disclosure: Frontier Employee not in any way authorized to speak on their behalf.


And how will that work? Flight attendants going to maker sure no one put bags in the overhead that hadn't paid for the privilege?
 
2013-05-12 11:25:04 AM

bighairyguy: Fees I would support:

Screaming baby fee
Failure to control your kids fee
Loud annoying voice fee
Drunk asshat fee


That last one's for the pilots, right?
 
2013-05-12 11:25:24 AM

raerae1980: I have to fly back East this summer and visit family.  This really sucks as airfare is already borderline unaffordable.

I can actually remember when cheap airfare existed and I'm not old!!


I can actually remember when no cheap airfare existed...and I am old.
 
2013-05-12 11:25:27 AM
There should only be 2 charges on an airline:

1. A seat fee (covers all of the costs of flying an empty aircraft form point A to point B). Figure about $25 per seat that you want/need.
2. A poundage fee (covers the additional cost not covered in 1 for you and all your shiat). You and all your stuff get weighed and you pay a flat $0.75 per pound.

Normal person that needs to make a quick trip with little luggage: ~$200
Lard-ass that tried to bring the entire vacation home with him: ~$350

And the overhead bins need to be divided per seat. You get to use the space assigned to your seat and THAT'S IT! None of the 'fill the entire bin assigned to your row plus the next row forward' bullshiat. If it don't fit it gets left behind, you bin hogging asshole.
 
2013-05-12 11:26:32 AM

dstanley: Drive from where to where, exactly?


I drove from Estes Park, Colorado to Cleveland, Ohio last week.  I'll be driving back on Wednesday.

I've driven my car to and thru just about every state except the Dakotas and Hawaii.
I've driven to and around Canada, and Mexico.

/hates to fly
//hound goes everywhere
///fees for carry on kayak and the like
 
2013-05-12 11:28:43 AM
Went from Atlanta to Chicago for the day twice in the last month for interviews with different companies. Once to Midway on AirTran and the other American to O'Hare. Aside from the ungodly early flights out of Atl, I can't complain about either. And, I only had my bag which fit under the seat, so no extra fees. The only gripe I have is since changing back to my maiden name, it's a pain to get my miles.

But, I will NEVER ever book a flight with Spirit Airlines again. Not only was it the most bus-like of all the airlines out there and they nickle and dime you at every opportunity (seat, carry on, etc), I found out the hard way they have some asinine rule about arriving ungodly early for a domestic flight. I was checking in an hour before the flight, and it was closed already. A bunch of people in line (waiting for the single gate agent, I might add) got bumped. Yep, I was trying to save money, and I got what I paid for.
 
2013-05-12 11:28:45 AM

DigitalCoffee: There should only be 2 charges on an airline:

1. A seat fee (covers all of the costs of flying an empty aircraft form point A to point B). Figure about $25 per seat that you want/need.
2. A poundage fee (covers the additional cost not covered in 1 for you and all your shiat). You and all your stuff get weighed and you pay a flat $0.75 per pound.

Normal person that needs to make a quick trip with little luggage: ~$200
Lard-ass that tried to bring the entire vacation home with him: ~$350

And the overhead bins need to be divided per seat. You get to use the space assigned to your seat and THAT'S IT! None of the 'fill the entire bin assigned to your row plus the next row forward' bullshiat. If it don't fit it gets left behind, you bin hogging asshole.


One thing that would help writhe overhead bin space is if people would orient their luggage properly. Even 737s will have enough space to put your bags in head first.
 
2013-05-12 11:28:46 AM

kidgenius: Steve 319: Not to be outdone, Frontier Airlines announced that for tickets booked anywhere except on its Web site, it would raise its luggage charges and impose a fee of up to $100 for certain carry-on bags

If you want to fly on Southwest, you can't book anywhere but on their website, They are not available on Travelocity, Expedia etc.

The actual fee for a carry on in the overhead bin is going to be $25, but only if you didn't buy your ticket on the flyfrontier website, buy it on the website and it is free. also a carry on that fits under the seat in front of you is free.

the $100 fee is for those that check in and decide that their carryon will fit under the seat in front of them, and discover when they get to the airplane that it will not.

/ full disclosure: Frontier Employee not in any way authorized to speak on their behalf.

And how will that work? Flight attendants going to maker sure no one put bags in the overhead that hadn't paid for the privilege?


I don't have any idea, I would guess some sort of tag on the bags or bag sizer by the gate.
 
2013-05-12 11:29:18 AM

edflyer: It's things like these fees that are going to make rail a viable alternative. I do understand that it takes longer, but so does driving, however, on a train you can relax, have space, walk around, and listen to the sound of the wheels going over the steel rails. This country needs to expand it's rail base, and as well through up some regulation on the airlines, and push towards better cars that use less fuel and get the same distance out of a gallon of fuel. That's the only way this country and the various travel industries can survive.


If I need to get from Chicago to New York or Atlanta, a better rail system will work just fine.  If I need to get from Birmingham to Syracuse or Kalamazoo, I just don't see how you are going to make it remotely competitive with an airplane.
 
2013-05-12 11:30:04 AM

Carth: How about we remove the regulation letting only US owned airlines fly between domestic destinations instead? If we could have Cathay Pacific or lufthansa fly us NY to LA i bet other airlines would have to improve their service pretty quick.


That'd be unAmerican.

Also, awesome.
 
2013-05-12 11:30:38 AM

edflyer: It's things like these fees that are going to make rail a viable alternative. I do understand that it takes longer, but so does driving, however, on a train you can relax, have space, walk around, and listen to the sound of the wheels going over the steel rails. This country needs to expand it's rail base, and as well through up some regulation on the airlines, and push towards better cars that use less fuel and get the same distance out of a gallon of fuel. That's the only way this country and the various travel industries can survive.


I've been debating whether I should fly or use Amtrak for a trip I'm planning this summer.  The numbers are heavily skewed in favor of flying because Amtrak would take four days each way and cost five times as much, but with Amtrak I'd have a small room to myself instead of a cramped seat, and Amtrak has no baggage fees.
 
2013-05-12 11:31:02 AM
The Navigator

This guy?
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or this guy?
images.wikia.com
 
2013-05-12 11:31:41 AM
Our trainz haz a sad.
 
2013-05-12 11:32:08 AM

BarkingUnicorn: As someone who's soon going to fly for the first time since Nov. 2001, I am apprehensive.  Seems getting on an airplane is like going into hospital; you don't know if you'll come out alive or bankrupt.


You'll be fine. Lots of exaggeration going on here. Are you flying a normal, mainline carrier?

Buy a ticket. Expect $25 for a checked bag and nothing for your carry on. Put all your liquids/gels/aerosols in the checked bag. Enjoy your free drink on the plane, but some airlines have dropped the free snack. Pick your seat when you book and you won't get stuck in the middle, and consider paying the ~$45-$65 for Economy Plus on the airlines which have it, so you'll have an extra 5 inches of leg space too.

It's really not that bad. I fly at least monthly, and nobody ever fondles me going through security and I never end up in the middle seat, and there's certainly no "surprise" charges.
 
2013-05-12 11:33:41 AM

Cataholic: raerae1980: I have to fly back East this summer and visit family.  This really sucks as airfare is already borderline unaffordable.

I can actually remember when cheap airfare existed and I'm not old!!

I can actually remember when no cheap airfare existed...and I am old.


You know, I checked out that chart posted above from Sendtodave it looks like when I started to fly (2000s) airfare was decreasing and cheaper.  *shrugs*
 
2013-05-12 11:34:10 AM

RickN99: edmo: I've taken to driving if it's 10 hours time or less for my personal travel. For business, whatever.

It's boring driving: no terrorists, food is available and prices are reasonable, no strangers fondling my nads, and once I arrive, if the driveway is full I just park on the street and walk in.

My "driving bubble" has increased dramatically.  Last year, I drove from Atlanta to Cape Cod.  This year will be Atlanta to DC.  Wifey and I make the drive part of the vacation and do touristy things along the way and not just at the destination.


Why are you driving? A train line runs up the east coast.
 
2013-05-12 11:34:44 AM

Steve 319:
I don't have any idea, I would guess some sort of tag on the bags or bag sizer by the gate.


Sounds like management hadn't either. The cost of implementing thus may cost more than what they bring in from it.
If the space is in the bind the FAs will say "fark it" instead of putting off pax.
 
2013-05-12 11:34:58 AM
I admit that I haven't needed to fly anywhere since July of 2001. Back then, the only carry-on restrictions was the size limit and no fees. You had to pay cash for booze but soda & water was free.

I bet I'd be in for one helluva rude shock if I went back to the airport again, wouldn't I?
 
2013-05-12 11:34:58 AM
Has no one brought a Sherman Act claim against these jokers yet?
 
2013-05-12 11:35:15 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com

Modern day traveler having her dimensions scanned. Note, she carries no baggage. When she arrives at her destination, reusable/disposable, form fitting, stylish, washable in a sink, drip dry, tyvek clothing will be waiting. She will choose designs and colors on the aircraft.

Hah, just kidding, she's actually being measured for oxygen fee.
 
2013-05-12 11:35:29 AM
Frontier Airlines announced that for tickets booked anywhere except on its Web site, it would raise its luggage charges and impose a fee of up to $100 for certain carry-on bags, the third U.S. carrier to o thi.

Seriously, which 3 airlines do this? Back in the 80s and 90s I'd fly 5 to 8 times a year and looking back over the past 5 years it's down to 3 flights. I, like the doctor, refuse to give money to organizations that actively torment me. It's a good thing I don't run a restaurant in NY because the mafia would have shot me by now no matter what that farktard Cuomo says.
 
2013-05-12 11:35:39 AM

edflyer: It's things like these fees that are going to make rail a viable alternative. I do understand that it takes longer, but so does driving, however, on a train you can relax, have space, walk around, and listen to the sound of the wheels going over the steel rails. This country needs to expand it's rail base, and as well through up some regulation on the airlines, and push towards better cars that use less fuel and get the same distance out of a gallon of fuel. That's the only way this country and the various travel industries can survive.


I took the Amtrak "Cascades" line up to Seattle not too long ago. The ride was really enjoyable, even though the Wi-Fi wasn't working when I was on it...( yeah, "First-World" problems)

If they ever run it at what the train is designed for ( 90+ mph), that would be a game changer, IMHO.

/ I realize that dedicated tracks would probably have to be built for that
// GOP will do their best to block it as well...
 
2013-05-12 11:37:00 AM

rugmannm: Of course traveling with no luggage singles you out as a terrorist... no win situation... :-/


I think the trick is to have just enough luggage to look like a light traveler.  A normal backpack as a carry-on seems to suffice whenever I fly (everything else goes in a FedEx box).

I don't fly that often, though, and I don't look like a stereotypical terrorist, so your mileage may vary.
 
2013-05-12 11:40:54 AM

TV's Vinnie: I admit that I haven't needed to fly anywhere since July of 2001. Back then, the only carry-on restrictions was the size limit and no fees. You had to pay cash for booze but soda & water was free.

I bet I'd be in for one helluva rude shock if I went back to the airport again, wouldn't I?


Your checked bag would be $25 on the vast majority of airlines, and free on Southwest. Your carry on is still free, except you need to separate your liquids going through security. Still have to pay for booze, but other drinks are still free. It's really not that different. Unless you're flying Spirit to get a $7 fare, I don't know where people come up with these stories of horrific charges.

Shoot, if you really care that much about the $25/bag charge, get the airline's credit card. First year is usually free, and after that the annual fee pays for itself after 2 round trips with one bag each way (or ONE round trip with a companion who has a bag). Heck, if you don't even fly twice a year with a checked bag, why are you complaining so much about the $25 anyway?
 
2013-05-12 11:40:54 AM

kidgenius: Chevello: "...change fee represents a combination of the cost to change a ticket and the missed revenue opportunity from potentially having an empty seat...."

So they don't oversell flights?

Have to take my family of 5 from PHL to Colorado Springs this summer. It's crazy that I'm having to have a debate with myself about whether we should drive or fly.

The part I hate is having to visit family that are 1500 miles away. Flying is the only reasonable option right now (young kids). But, I just had to shell out two grand for airfare. Next time family needs to come out to us (unlikely) or we can drive to a location halfway between the two families.

Doing round trip drives is highly unfeasible only because you will spend most of your week off driving....


Exactamundo. Not to mention not wanting to send my 4 and 15 year old daughters through the TSA grope-fest.
 
2013-05-12 11:40:54 AM
I haven't flown in 11 years.  Looks like that streak is going to continue.

I don't mind being on a plane, I actually enjoy it.  It's all the hassle involved in getting on the plane that I hate.  And then all of these fees?  Meh.  I'll drive.  Seeing things from the air is neat and all, but being able to stop and gawk at things is much better on the ground.  Plus, with security hassles, flight delays, etc, I can usually drive anywhere that's 7 hours or less away quicker and cheaper than flying anyway.
 
2013-05-12 11:41:15 AM
My wife and I are DINKS. We HATE the flying experience, but both love to fly. Bought an RV and are going to visit the national parks. Yosemite this year and Yellowstone next year. Screw the airlines...

/Former Avionics Tech
 
2013-05-12 11:42:27 AM

PsyLord: Exactly what I intend to do for a 1200 mile trip this summer.  Fark you airlines.


This summer, I'll be driving the family nearly 6,000 miles round trip to visit the in-laws. I can make the entire drive round trip for easily under $1,000, and I can get from A to B in less than 48 hours if I choose. The wife and I each have months and months of vacation, so we don't really care if we take the extra time to drive. I'm not giving airlines one more penny. Period. Ticket prices are ridiculous. I remember paying under $200 for round trip airfare to Vegas, and that INCLUDED lodging for four or five nights- and I'm not old. Screw this shiat, I'll drive.
 
2013-05-12 11:42:44 AM

OscarTamerz: Frontier Airlines announced that for tickets booked anywhere except on its Web site, it would raise its luggage charges and impose a fee of up to $100 for certain carry-on bags, the third U.S. carrier to o thi.

Seriously, which 3 airlines do this? Back in the 80s and 90s I'd fly 5 to 8 times a year and looking back over the past 5 years it's down to 3 flights. I, like the doctor, refuse to give money to organizations that actively torment me. It's a good thing I don't run a restaurant in NY because the mafia would have shot me by now no matter what that farktard Cuomo says.


Spirit and Allegiant are the other two. Spirit is trying to be the Ryanair of the US, only less pleasant.

Allegiant wants to be a dirt cheap airline that sells vacation packages, but they will strand your ass in the terminal at HNL on your outbound for days if you fly to Hawaii with them, so don't. Fly Hawaiian if you want to to to Hawaii. They'll even give you a meal in coach (though there is a bag fee)
 
2013-05-12 11:46:19 AM

MagicBus: If you're an infrequent flier, just fly Southwest.  No change fees, no checked bag fees, and just as good as the other airlines if you're not up front.


Southwest doesn't have a counter in my city.
 
2013-05-12 11:46:44 AM

Pockafrusta: We HATE the flying experience, but both love to fly.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-12 11:49:02 AM
Amtrak is pretty good and cheap when compared to airlines. Just plan for a day of travel
 
2013-05-12 11:49:03 AM

Your Average Witty Fark User: I remember paying under $200 for round trip airfare to Vegas, and that INCLUDED lodging for four or five nights


When was this? How much has inflation and fuel prices changed since then?
 
2013-05-12 11:50:19 AM

Aar1012: Amtrak is pretty good and cheap when compared to airlines.


What routes are you speaking of? In my experience there are VERY few routes where Amtrak is going to be price-competitive with the airlines.... really just in the Northeast Corridor.
 
2013-05-12 11:50:42 AM
I, for one, am looking forward to all you farks getting self driving cars. When that happens, I'll program them all to ride in the right lane where they belong, leaving an open road in front of me.

The future is bright!
 
2013-05-12 11:50:59 AM

PsyLord: Exactly what I intend to do for a 1200 mile trip this summer.  Fark you airlines.


Just drove from NJ to Missouri.  Yes it took longer than flying. It was way, way less stressful though.

I've really grown to hate the experience of flying. I have another trip in August that instead of flying I am going to drive, that's only about 800 miles each way. Easily done.

But then I love to drive.
 
2013-05-12 11:52:10 AM
High speed rail is not a viable solution for a country this damn big.  Comparing Germany to the continental US is simply not accurate.  Within California?  From Boston to NY?  Sure.  But from San Antonio to Portland?  No way.  Even at 100mph, with zero stops it would be over 17 hours, vs. a 3.5 hour flight.  In reality, it would take probably two days.  I'm not wasting four days traveling, even as crappy as flying is.
 
2013-05-12 11:52:44 AM

Pockafrusta: My wife and I are DINKS. We HATE the flying experience, but both love to fly. Bought an RV and are going to visit the national parks. Yosemite this year and Yellowstone next year. Screw the airlines...

/Former Avionics Tech


Get your Private License sell the RV buy a light plane, the costs are about the same.  Plus you meet some of the neatest people a small airfields.

/Got a check ride in a Texan T-6 man those big radial engines really make you feel good when you fly
 
2013-05-12 11:52:46 AM

RoyBatty: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 460x337]

Modern day traveler having her dimensions scanned. Note, she carries no baggage. When she arrives at her destination, reusable/disposable, form fitting, stylish, washable in a sink, drip dry, tyvek clothing will be waiting. She will choose designs and colors on the aircraft.

Hah, just kidding, she's actually being measured for oxygen fee.


What's really happening is that poor TSA woman is having her chest melted from all the gamma rays. I mean look at her... her chest is nearly melted down to her stomach.
 
2013-05-12 11:54:12 AM

Tom_Slick: Pockafrusta: My wife and I are DINKS. We HATE the flying experience, but both love to fly. Bought an RV and are going to visit the national parks. Yosemite this year and Yellowstone next year. Screw the airlines...

/Former Avionics Tech

Get your Private License sell the RV buy a light plane, the costs are about the same.  Plus you meet some of the neatest people a small airfields.

/Got a check ride in a Texan T-6 man those big radial engines really make you feel good when you fly


Like "sitting on the washer during a spin cycle" good?
 
2013-05-12 11:57:37 AM

dukeblue219: BarkingUnicorn: As someone who's soon going to fly for the first time since Nov. 2001, I am apprehensive.  Seems getting on an airplane is like going into hospital; you don't know if you'll come out alive or bankrupt.

You'll be fine. Lots of exaggeration going on here. Are you flying a normal, mainline carrier?

Buy a ticket. Expect $25 for a checked bag and nothing for your carry on. Put all your liquids/gels/aerosols in the checked bag. Enjoy your free drink on the plane, but some airlines have dropped the free snack. Pick your seat when you book and you won't get stuck in the middle, and consider paying the ~$45-$65 for Economy Plus on the airlines which have it, so you'll have an extra 5 inches of leg space too.

It's really not that bad. I fly at least monthly, and nobody ever fondles me going through security and I never end up in the middle seat, and there's certainly no "surprise" charges.


Thanks for the reassurance and tips.  My only option is United Express.
 
2013-05-12 11:58:20 AM

dukeblue219: BarkingUnicorn: As someone who's soon going to fly for the first time since Nov. 2001, I am apprehensive.  Seems getting on an airplane is like going into hospital; you don't know if you'll come out alive or bankrupt.

It's really not that bad. I fly at least monthly, and nobody ever fondles me going through security and I never end up in the middle seat, and there's certainly no "surprise" charges.


I agree- it isn't bad. I have never waited more than 30 minutes in a security line (maybe I am lucky, but I think people exaggerate how long the waits are). I have never been patted down (I have been swabbed for explosives which took about 30 seconds), and I don't pay extra fees (Flying with only a normal sized carry on is not hard people. Quit bringing so much stuff.) I actually almost always end up in a middle seat because I am extremely thrifty and book a lot of trips on short notice. If I am flying during meal time I just bring my own sandwich or snacks.
 
2013-05-12 11:59:16 AM

TV's Vinnie: I admit that I haven't needed to fly anywhere since July of 2001. Back then, the only carry-on restrictions was the size limit and no fees. You had to pay cash for booze but soda & water was free.

I bet I'd be in for one helluva rude shock if I went back to the airport again, wouldn't I?


No. It is exactly the same on most airlines. People enjoy complaining.
 
2013-05-12 12:00:43 PM

CruJones: High speed rail is not a viable solution for a country this damn big.  Comparing Germany to the continental US is simply not accurate.  Within California?  From Boston to NY?  Sure.  But from San Antonio to Portland?  No way.  Even at 100mph, with zero stops it would be over 17 hours, vs. a 3.5 hour flight.  In reality, it would take probably two days.  I'm not wasting four days traveling, even as crappy as flying is.


China has high speed rail and it is as big as the US. You can take a high speed train Bejiing to Shanghai (800 miles) in under 5 hours. You can also take a train from Beijing to Lhasa (3753 miles) for $150 and you get to see some great scenery on the way.
 
2013-05-12 12:00:45 PM
God I love Porter.

/affordable fares and free drinks
//will have to do until we get high speed rail
 
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