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(Des Moines Register)   Efforts to push through a solid, sustainable bill on education reform are being stymied ... because of parents who insist on homeschooling their children   (desmoinesregister.com) divider line 222
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2013-05-12 09:52:29 AM  
Well, these home school advocates must have some pretty big teeth.
 
2013-05-12 09:52:48 AM  
One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.
 
2013-05-12 09:55:38 AM  
Just the mere fact that the internet and google exist these days are enough to poo poo the arguments of the "public education is failing ME" crowd.  Enough already.  Put the facebook down and read an article about critical thinking skills, then apply them and wow your classmates.
 
2013-05-12 09:55:57 AM  

furiousxgeorge: One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.


Yeah, that seems necessary to prevent raising up a generation of children who are unemployable because they don't believe in sciency things like 'Math' and 'Observable Reality'.
 
2013-05-12 09:56:14 AM  
if you're homeschooling, doesn't that mean you're an independent teacher
 
2013-05-12 09:56:30 AM  
I thought the whole idea of public school was so you could get rid of your screaming brats for 6 hours a day...Homeschooling should be recognized by the American Psychological Association as a severe mental disorder!
 
2013-05-12 09:56:58 AM  
"[FAIL] Efforts to push through a solid..."

Yeah, I misjudged where subby was going by a great margin.
 
2013-05-12 09:57:20 AM  
Seems more like the homeschooling changes are being used to sell the bill to Republicans, rather than the homeschooling amendments holding up the bill.  It gives them the cover to vote for the increased spending the Democrats want.
 
2013-05-12 09:58:49 AM  
Considering this is Iowa, I live in Iowa, and this is about homeschooling. I know this is in no way related to smart parents who desire to teach their children about the world. This has everything to do with allowing the fundamentalists to school their children to be good, christian robots, anti-science, anti-intellectual, and closer to the Judeo-Christian god.
 
2013-05-12 10:00:36 AM  

Fark U: Just the mere fact that the internet and google exist these days are enough to poo poo the arguments of the "public education is failing ME" crowd.  Enough already.  Put the facebook down and read an article about critical thinking skills, then apply them and wow your classmates.


Wow.. you're in the wrong century... last generation with actual critical thinking skills were born... hmmm... I'll getback to you

/It's all Apple's and Google's fault
 
2013-05-12 10:01:52 AM  

furiousxgeorge: One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.


Would parents be allowed to change wrong answers to right answers like public school teachers do?
 
2013-05-12 10:03:07 AM  
Home-schoolers in general make me want to hurl, but not because I worry about whether they're teaching driver's ed, teaching each other's kids or submitting to standardized testing.  If I had to bet my rent on a spelling bee between the Flanders' kid and the average inner-city product of public education, I think I know where my money would be.

Mostly what I hate about them is it's impossible to sleep until 11AM when these little shiats are out in the driveway having "recess."
 
2013-05-12 10:03:49 AM  
Bullshiat. It's because Republicans have no interest in educating their constituencies. If they do, they might learn that the entire world view of today's GOP is built on deceit, obfuscation and lies.
 
2013-05-12 10:04:15 AM  

diaphoresis: Fark U: Just the mere fact that the internet and google exist these days are enough to poo poo the arguments of the "public education is failing ME" crowd.  Enough already.  Put the facebook down and read an article about critical thinking skills, then apply them and wow your classmates.

Wow.. you're in the wrong century... last generation with actual critical thinking skills were born... hmmm... I'll getback to you

/It's all Apple's and Google's fault


LSD helps
 
2013-05-12 10:04:47 AM  

encyclopediaplushuman: Considering this is Iowa, I live in Iowa, and this is about homeschooling. I know this is in no way related to smart parents who desire to teach their children about the world. This has everything to do with allowing the fundamentalists to school their children to be good, christian robots, anti-science, anti-intellectual, and closer to the Judeo-Christian god.


Sometimes it's just the opposite. I know a family in extreme southern Iowa who found the local public school teachers to be completely below typical Iowa standards, and homeschooled their two kids through about 10th grade. They ended up being their high school valedictorians, and are kicking ass in college compared to their peers. But not only is that an extreme case... those two parents would be about the last ones to ever support any Republican measures.

The family in the article is a much better example of what you're saying. They live in Des Moines proper, not one of the teabagging rural districts. Des Moines has perfectly cromulent public schools.

The thing that concerns me the most is the teaching of unrelated children. That seems like the first step in reverting back to the 19th-century method of education.
 
2013-05-12 10:06:25 AM  

Boxcutta: Bullshiat. It's because Republicans have no interest in educating their constituencies. If they do, they might learn that the entire world view of today's GOP is built on deceit, obfuscation and lies.


Money spent does not mean well educated. If you were educated you would know that.
 
2013-05-12 10:07:16 AM  

MFAWG: furiousxgeorge: One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.

Yeah, that seems necessary to prevent raising up a generation of children who are unemployable because they don't believe in sciency things like 'Math' and 'Observable Reality'.


Or even lazy parenting. I know a family in which all four children dropped out to homeschool at various times because they didn't "do" mornings.

There isn't a testing requirement in the state of Georgia. The parent never taught any of the children. Now the youngest is in middle school and is leagues behind her peers in GEORGIA.

I've told her parents that they're ruining their children. The youngest is behind and now doesn't want to go to school because it's too hard and she feels dumb so they're considering letting her drop.
 
2013-05-12 10:08:32 AM  

lousy screw: Mostly what I hate about them is it's impossible to sleep until 11AM when these little shiats are out in the driveway having "recess."


Sounds like you're annoyed by the students being near.
 
2013-05-12 10:09:56 AM  

Bontesla: MFAWG: furiousxgeorge: One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.

Yeah, that seems necessary to prevent raising up a generation of children who are unemployable because they don't believe in sciency things like 'Math' and 'Observable Reality'.

Or even lazy parenting. I know a family in which all four children dropped out to homeschool at various times because they didn't "do" mornings.

There isn't a testing requirement in the state of Georgia. The parent never taught any of the children. Now the youngest is in middle school and is leagues behind her peers in GEORGIA.

I've told her parents that they're ruining their children. The youngest is behind and now doesn't want to go to school because it's too hard and she feels dumb so they're considering letting her drop.


all I can say: yuck.
 
2013-05-12 10:12:56 AM  

Boxcutta: Bullshiat. It's because Republicans have no interest in educating their constituencies. If they do, they might learn that the entire world view of today's GOP is built on deceit, obfuscation and lies.


And 2nd. Why have the majority of test changers been in liberal districts? Which areas pass students who can't read at their grade levels? Which side believes student emotions are a higher priority than learning? To pretend democrats support rigid learning standards is hilarious. Oakland democrats just killed their three highest performing schools because they were charter schools. Democrats don't give two shiats about children learning, they care about feeding the public unions. Spending has tripled since 1979 yet test scores have remained constant. Administration has doubled with admins taking half of public education dollars.

Basically fark off with your ignorant and partisan views.
 
2013-05-12 10:14:08 AM  

dumbobruni: Bontesla: MFAWG: furiousxgeorge: One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.

Yeah, that seems necessary to prevent raising up a generation of children who are unemployable because they don't believe in sciency things like 'Math' and 'Observable Reality'.

Or even lazy parenting. I know a family in which all four children dropped out to homeschool at various times because they didn't "do" mornings.

There isn't a testing requirement in the state of Georgia. The parent never taught any of the children. Now the youngest is in middle school and is leagues behind her peers in GEORGIA.

I've told her parents that they're ruining their children. The youngest is behind and now doesn't want to go to school because it's too hard and she feels dumb so they're considering letting her drop.

all I can say: yuck.


The kids are related to my husband's family. He offered to tutor them. He lasted three days. The kids complained to their parents that he was too strict. He wasn't being strict. He wouldn't let them watch tv, text, or play around on the internet during the tutoring.
 
2013-05-12 10:14:23 AM  

encyclopediaplushuman: Considering this is Iowa, I live in Iowa, and this is about homeschooling. I know this is in no way related to smart parents who desire to teach their children about the world. This has everything to do with allowing the fundamentalists to school their children to be good, christian robots, anti-science, anti-intellectual, and closer to the Judeo-Christian god.


Yep. Yet notice it is the rare few intelligent, educated parents who wish to homeschool their children at a level above and beyond the public schools whom they trot out to support the changes.

It is possible to homeschool your children well. But that is rare.
 
2013-05-12 10:14:51 AM  
Because teaching towards the test is going so well for public schools.  Not all homeschoolers are fundamentalists. There has to be a way to allow those parents who care and try to continue to homeschool without becoming like mini public schools
 
2013-05-12 10:15:33 AM  

Fark U: Just the mere fact that the internet and google exist these days are enough to poo poo the arguments of the "public education is failing ME" crowd.  Enough already.  Put the facebook down and read an article about critical thinking skills, then apply them and wow your classmates.


Bingo.

Any kid today with an internet connection has access to references and archives that would have been unthinkable 20 years ago.

When the internet was becoming a big deal in the '90's, everybody talked about how it would change schooling.  Has it, really?  Yeah, any classroom has access to an impossibly vast archive of the collected knowledge of mankind. . .and it's being used for crap.
 
2013-05-12 10:15:49 AM  

MyRandomName: And 2nd. Why have the majority of test changers been in liberal districts? Which areas pass students who can't read at their grade levels? Which side believes student emotions are a higher priority than learning? To pretend democrats support rigid learning standards is hilarious. Oakland democrats just killed their three highest performing schools because they were charter schools. Democrats don't give two shiats about children learning, they care about feeding the public unions. Spending has tripled since 1979 yet test scores have remained constant. Administration has doubled with admins taking half of public education dollars.

Basically fark off with your ignorant and partisan views


Oh STFU. The vast majority of homeschool curricula out there have an obvious and decidedly far right winged religious bias when it comes to the material they teach. These curricula are rife with revisionist and altered history, poor emphasis on math and sciences, and do not reinforce critical thinking at all. So yes, people have a problem with what amounts to pseudo educational brain-washing of children.
 
2013-05-12 10:17:36 AM  

furiousxgeorge: I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job


And we should be able to fire them if they don't? Or at least deny them tenure or reduce their funding.

Seriously, a lot of my friends (all college educated) would be terrible at teaching their kids. They're too dumb. If you can't improve on the public schools then why bother?
 
2013-05-12 10:18:02 AM  

Bontesla: MFAWG: furiousxgeorge: One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.

Yeah, that seems necessary to prevent raising up a generation of children who are unemployable because they don't believe in sciency things like 'Math' and 'Observable Reality'.

Or even lazy parenting. I know a family in which all four children dropped out to homeschool at various times because they didn't "do" mornings.

There isn't a testing requirement in the state of Georgia. The parent never taught any of the children. Now the youngest is in middle school and is leagues behind her peers in GEORGIA.

I've told her parents that they're ruining their children. The youngest is behind and now doesn't want to go to school because it's too hard and she feels dumb so they're considering letting her drop.


And this never happens to kids who got to public schools from the get-go.

/ and no ... throwing more money at the problem won't fix bad parenting - no matter whether the kids are home or public schooled.
 
2013-05-12 10:18:13 AM  

MyRandomName: Would parents be allowed to change wrong answers to right answers like public school teachers do?


Sure! Just as long as they face the same criminal charges the public school teachers are facing.
 
2013-05-12 10:18:23 AM  
Pull the curtain back and this is the face of home schooling...

wafflesatnoon.com
 
2013-05-12 10:21:14 AM  

furiousxgeorge: One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.


Why? It isnt like your tax dollars are paying the teacher's salary and it isn't your kid. Having said that, the article also says home schoolers average in the 80th percentile ons0 state standardized tests.. And for those home schoolers that want to go to college, there already are test- the SAT/ACT
 
2013-05-12 10:21:44 AM  

MyRandomName: furiousxgeorge: One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.

Would parents be allowed to change wrong answers to right answers like public school teachers do?


I homeschooled my youngest for 6-12th grades in metro Atlanta.  He had to take standardized tests at least every 3 years - Georgia law - so he took the same tests as the school system.  He also took the PSAT, SAT, SAT Subject tests to prove he actually took the subjects and didn't cheat.

Now, what else is happening with education in metro Atlanta?  Oh, yeah -- a massive teacher-administrator cheating scandal with dozens of arrests/indictments over grades being changed for YEARS.

With higher scores, public school teachers would get more  money and the school systems would get more Federal dollars so fraud was the easiest way to do that.  Homeschooling parents only get higher test scores with their students by providing a better education.  But lets demonize those parents.
 
2013-05-12 10:22:28 AM  
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2013-05-12 10:22:44 AM  

Yeah_Right: Bontesla: MFAWG: furiousxgeorge: One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.

Yeah, that seems necessary to prevent raising up a generation of children who are unemployable because they don't believe in sciency things like 'Math' and 'Observable Reality'.

Or even lazy parenting. I know a family in which all four children dropped out to homeschool at various times because they didn't "do" mornings.

There isn't a testing requirement in the state of Georgia. The parent never taught any of the children. Now the youngest is in middle school and is leagues behind her peers in GEORGIA.

I've told her parents that they're ruining their children. The youngest is behind and now doesn't want to go to school because it's too hard and she feels dumb so they're considering letting her drop.

And this never happens to kids who got to public schools from the get-go.

/ and no ... throwing more money at the problem won't fix bad parenting - no matter whether the kids are home or public schooled.


Why are you arguing with a statement that I never made?
 
2013-05-12 10:23:18 AM  

MyRandomName: Boxcutta: Bullshiat. It's because Republicans have no interest in educating their constituencies. If they do, they might learn that the entire world view of today's GOP is built on deceit, obfuscation and lies.

Money spent does not mean well educated. If you were educated you would know that.


Nicely recited, but completely irrelevant to what Boxcutta pointed out.
 
2013-05-12 10:25:29 AM  

hardinparamedic: Oh STFU. The vast majority of homeschool curricula out there have an obvious and decidedly far right winged religious bias when it comes to the material they teach. These curricula are rife with revisionist and altered history, poor emphasis on math and sciences, and do not reinforce critical thinking at all. So yes, people have a problem with what amounts to pseudo educational brain-washing of children.


You sound exactly like the farking assholes on the right who are worried that their kids will catch teh ghey marriage from the libtard educational system.
 
2013-05-12 10:27:57 AM  

Bontesla: MFAWG: furiousxgeorge: One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.

Yeah, that seems necessary to prevent raising up a generation of children who are unemployable because they don't believe in sciency things like 'Math' and 'Observable Reality'.

Or even lazy parenting. I know a family in which all four children dropped out to homeschool at various times because they didn't "do" mornings.

There isn't a testing requirement in the state of Georgia. The parent never taught any of the children. Now the youngest is in middle school and is leagues behind her peers in GEORGIA.

I've told her parents that they're ruining their children. The youngest is behind and now doesn't want to go to school because it's too hard and she feels dumb so they're considering letting her drop.


My mother (in the middle of an ugly divorce) decided to homeschool us for a year. It didn't really impact 2 of us, but I honestly believe that taking my obviously learning-disabled brother out of school for a year at a critical age (third grade) and then not teaching him anything was child abuse. I truly believe his struggles with reading would not be as bad as an adult, had he not lost a year to homeschooling.

/bss
//bitter story sis
///slashies
 
2013-05-12 10:30:16 AM  

MFAWG: furiousxgeorge: One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.

Yeah, that seems necessary to prevent raising up a generation of children who are unemployable because they don't believe in sciency things like 'Math' and 'Observable Reality'.


It's happening, anyway. My cousin is homeschooling her kids, and she has no secondary education other than "JESUS!" I don't see how her kids will learn anything. Hell, her spelling ability is an atrocity itself, don't even get me started on her belief that science is turning kids from god.
 
2013-05-12 10:36:46 AM  

legion_of_doo: You sound exactly like the farking assholes on the right who are worried that their kids will catch teh ghey marriage from the libtard educational system.


Except for the fact that I'm not using my beliefs to justify stripping away the basic human and legal rights of a specific group because of their sexual preference or religious ideals, you might have a point there.

But, because I wasn't nice when I said it, that makes my point invalid, right? More flies with honey?
 
2013-05-12 10:37:46 AM  

Bontesla: MFAWG: furiousxgeorge: One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.

Yeah, that seems necessary to prevent raising up a generation of children who are unemployable because they don't believe in sciency things like 'Math' and 'Observable Reality'.

Or even lazy parenting. I know a family in which all four children dropped out to homeschool at various times because they didn't "do" mornings.

There isn't a testing requirement in the state of Georgia. The parent never taught any of the children. Now the youngest is in middle school and is leagues behind her peers in GEORGIA.

I've told her parents that they're ruining their children. The youngest is behind and now doesn't want to go to school because it's too hard and she feels dumb so they're considering letting her drop.


Well I know a couple who home schooled who's kids both took dual credit at the local CC and stomped the state averages for SAT test scores.

I guess that means these 2 examples negate each other and we are back at square one.

If you read the article you would have picked up on this part: House and Senate leaders have not yet negotiated language in earnest in an attempt to broker agreement.

It's no somuch as being held up as no one has started working on it yet.

Way to spin submitter.
 
2013-05-12 10:38:57 AM  
I'm ok with a $200,000 welfare bond for any kid who is home schooled.  Refunded at 40 if they haven't touched welfare or prorated based on graduating from a university or trade school.
 
2013-05-12 10:39:03 AM  

furiousxgeorge: I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.


Agreed.  I've seen a parent that "home-schooled" because the kid was fighting against going to school.  She went with an on-line class (there's no way she could possibly have done it herself) and said kid did basically zero schoolwork.  No problems with the state.

hardinparamedic: Oh STFU. The vast majority of homeschool curricula out there have an obvious and decidedly far right winged religious bias when it comes to the material they teach. These curricula are rife with revisionist and altered history, poor emphasis on math and sciences, and do not reinforce critical thinking at all. So yes, people have a problem with what amounts to pseudo educational brain-washing of children.


An interesting thing I ran into on this--the reason that all you see is the wacky stuff is that a parent who wants a normal curriculum simply goes to the same sources the teachers use.

RickN99: With higher scores, public school teachers would get more money and the school systems would get more Federal dollars so fraud was the easiest way to do that. Homeschooling parents only get higher test scores with their students by providing a better education. But lets demonize those parents.


You sound like a good home-schooler.  Unfortunately there are far too many that aren't.
 
2013-05-12 10:39:23 AM  
Save me from myself, Uncle Sam.
 
2013-05-12 10:39:26 AM  

bborchar: MFAWG: furiousxgeorge: One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.

Yeah, that seems necessary to prevent raising up a generation of children who are unemployable because they don't believe in sciency things like 'Math' and 'Observable Reality'.

It's happening, anyway. My cousin is homeschooling her kids, and she has no secondary education other than "JESUS!" I don't see how her kids will learn anything. Hell, her spelling ability is an atrocity itself, don't even get me started on her belief that science is turning kids from god.


They'll end up in the same welfare system they biatch so much about. That's the real tragedy here.
 
2013-05-12 10:41:44 AM  

MyRandomName: Boxcutta: Bullshiat. It's because Republicans have no interest in educating their constituencies. If they do, they might learn that the entire world view of today's GOP is built on deceit, obfuscation and lies.

And 2nd. Why have the majority of test changers been in liberal districts? Which areas pass students who can't read at their grade levels? Which side believes student emotions are a higher priority than learning? To pretend democrats support rigid learning standards is hilarious. Oakland democrats just killed their three highest performing schools because they were charter schools. Democrats don't give two shiats about children learning, they care about feeding the public unions. Spending has tripled since 1979 yet test scores have remained constant. Administration has doubled with admins taking half of public education dollars.

Basically fark off with your ignorant and partisan views.


As a Republican, it took you two posts to respond to me. You appear to have little to no reading comprehension and an inability to craft a coherent thought. Thank you for proving my point.
 
2013-05-12 10:43:24 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: furiousxgeorge: One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.

Why? It isnt like your tax dollars are paying the teacher's salary and it isn't your kid. Having said that, the article also says home schoolers average in the 80th percentile ons0 state standardized tests.. And for those home schoolers that want to go to college, there already are test- the SAT/ACT


Because mis-educated children are a burden on the rest of us.  If parents can't do the job the kids should be enrolled in a proper school, it's better for the kids and better for the country.
 
2013-05-12 10:43:37 AM  

Loren: An interesting thing I ran into on this--the reason that all you see is the wacky stuff is that a parent who wants a normal curriculum simply goes to the same sources the teachers use.


When I was a volunteer, I worked with a guy who joined at 18, like I did, who was homeschooled by his parents. They used a fundamentalist conservative curriculum in teaching him. He couldn't even pass the COMPASS test to get into college, and had to do over a year of remedial classes to even begin his freshman basics.

I'm talking like Young Earth Creationism here. Honest to God, we had a conversation on why the earth was not 5000 years old.

What you believe as an adult is your business. The fact that you push that on your children when they have no choice or alternate way of learning, and then expect and gripe when they are not treated the same in life later is sad and what is wrong with homeschooling.
 
2013-05-12 10:46:32 AM  
Trolling headline is trolling.
 
2013-05-12 10:49:52 AM  

jaybeezey: Bontesla: MFAWG: furiousxgeorge: One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.

Yeah, that seems necessary to prevent raising up a generation of children who are unemployable because they don't believe in sciency things like 'Math' and 'Observable Reality'.

Or even lazy parenting. I know a family in which all four children dropped out to homeschool at various times because they didn't "do" mornings.

There isn't a testing requirement in the state of Georgia. The parent never taught any of the children. Now the youngest is in middle school and is leagues behind her peers in GEORGIA.

I've told her parents that they're ruining their children. The youngest is behind and now doesn't want to go to school because it's too hard and she feels dumb so they're considering letting her drop.

Well I know a couple who home schooled who's kids both took dual credit at the local CC and stomped the state averages for SAT test scores.

I guess that means these 2 examples negate each other and we are back at square one.

If you read the article you would have picked up on this part: House and Senate leaders have not yet negotiated language in earnest in an attempt to broker agreement.

It's no somuch as being held up as no one has started working on it yet.

Way to spin submitter.


Why are you arguing against claims I've never made?

Would you like to try this again?
 
2013-05-12 10:50:28 AM  

RickN99: MyRandomName: furiousxgeorge: One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.

Would parents be allowed to change wrong answers to right answers like public school teachers do?

I homeschooled my youngest for 6-12th grades in metro Atlanta.  He had to take standardized tests at least every 3 years - Georgia law - so he took the same tests as the school system.  He also took the PSAT, SAT, SAT Subject tests to prove he actually took the subjects and didn't cheat.

Now, what else is happening with education in metro Atlanta?  Oh, yeah -- a massive teacher-administrator cheating scandal with dozens of arrests/indictments over grades being changed for YEARS.

With higher scores, public school teachers would get more  money and the school systems would get more Federal dollars so fraud was the easiest way to do that.  Homeschooling parents only get higher test scores with their students by providing a better education.  But lets demonize those parents.



I homeschooled in St. Louis, MO. My kids did not hit the public school district until their middle school years.  My kids have tested higher than average on MAP and end of course assessments.  PSAT/SAT is not age relevant yet for two of them.  My oldest earned at 31 on his ACT.

I understand why they want to allow teaching 4 unrelated kids.  I suck at grammar/English but excel at maths and sciences.  We found parents that needed help in math and science that were good in grammar/English so we could teach each others kids the subjects we were weak in.  Additional, we know more that one parent remove their failing children from schools to finally figure out why their kids were not failing and then they have teamed up with other parents to work through learning disabilities so their kids can succeed.
 
2013-05-12 10:52:35 AM  

furiousxgeorge: One of the measures would allow home-school parents to teach their children driver education, while another would allow home-school educators to teach up to four unrelated students. The most controversial, though, would remove requirements currently in law for home-schoolers to file paperwork with their local school district and to undergo testing by an independent teacher. Results are reported back to the district.

I'm fine with home schooling, but you should definitely have to do the testing to make sure the parents are doing their job.


Hmm, I wonder if you made homeschooled students pass a standardized test, administered by the public school system, each year, on the curriculum appropriate to that grade level to stay out of public school, how well would that work?

Yeah, there would be screaming of discrimination and oppression, but it would provide a nice quality check against those "homeschools" that teach crap like young Earth creationism or hideously skewed versions of history.
 
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