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(Deadline)   Iron Man 3 is still golden at the box office, its $75 million weekend making it the top film at the box office. Baz Luhrmann's unfaithful adaptation of The Great Gatsby is a big #2 with $52 million, and the latest Tyler Perry film bombs   (deadline.com) divider line 73
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2013-05-12 05:35:28 PM

Where wolf: shower_in_my_socks: "Unfaithful"? Have you even seen the film, Subby? I read the first 2/3rds of the book last week in preparation, and the film is nearly word-for-word. With visual flair, yes, but it's not "unfaithful" to the source material. I was surprised by how many scenes were exact representations of the book. I think Gatsby has become the film everyone who hasn't seen it loves to rip apart. I went into it with low expectations, and as someone who is not a big fan of Baz's previous films, and I was totally won over by it. Total spectacle.

My Problem with it were twofold: 1) visual gimmicks to make it play like "moulin rouge 2" with the typewriter and crap that the story didn't need and 2) the backwards direction choices. When the movie should have been tight and oppressive (in the new York scenes), they were mostly shot from across the room and you lost the characters in the wallpaper.


All of that is true, but subby was trolling with the headline. Nothing about that adaption was unfaithful to the material. Not one single complaint made here in the comments makes any sense as a valid complaint about the film. Haters gonna hate.
 
2013-05-12 05:45:32 PM
Oh, what the hell...

nmrsnr: frepnog: what was sloppy about the plot?

::Spoiler Alert::

Oh, where to start?

Most of this stuff was just far too coincidental for a good plot. Happy just so happens to be taking in a movie where an illegal drug transaction is going down, which just so happens to be about a drug that Guy Pierce just so happened to that very day be peddling to Gwenyth Paltrow,and that drug transaction just so happened to go wrong so that Happy is injured, which is just enough to incense Tony to seek vengeance.


Apparently you missed the part where Guy Pierce's "guy" is sitting in the lobby and the whole conversation between Happy and Tony that followed where Happy said the guy was suspicious.  He was NOT taking in a movie.  He was following the guy.

Then after he puts his facility on lockdown, he apparently is entirely defenseless (as is the US air force and NORAD) from stopping two black helicopters armed to the gills from blowing up his place.

This, I had a problem with.  Just made no sense.

When he wakes up in Tennessee he has a kid helper, fine, I don't like juvenile sidekicks, but whatever, he just so happens to meet the mother of the first experiment-gone-wrong as she is waiting to deliver crucial, sensitive information to one of the bad guys which has all the information Tony would ever need to crack the case, and literally hands it to him. How did she get that file?

Maybe the guy stole the file for safe keeping?  And then, after he died, his mom found it?

Why did the bad guys want that file? Who knows, but Tony saw it and that's enough for the movie, because now we can have a fight with glowy hands!

Why wouldn't they want to track it down?  They'd want to know who knows what and how much control they need to create over the situation.

Meanwhile, Iron Patriot goes on a hunt in Afghanistan and gets disabled by the glowy version of the Vulcan neck pinch, which is entirely unexplained throughout the film.

I wasn't thrilled with the lack of explanation, but I thought it was kind of okay that they didn't need to spoon-feed it to me, either.  Its use was pretty consistent, if not a little vague.

Plus, while the suit doesn't work at all, it does work enough later for Rhody to be ejected from the suit, and then somehow reactivated so that someone else entirely can also use the suit.

Rhody ejected himself.  That said, I believe it was stated that AIM did some sort of re-branding for the Iron Patriot.  It wouldn't be unreasonable to think they had some sort of override code.

Not to mention that every other Iron Man suit except for this can only be activated by only who Tony wants to wear it, so that the bad guy can conveniently hop in.

Just the ones that Tony had in his possession.  I doubt the Iron Man suits employed by the services could only be controlled by one guy, particularly a contractor.

Stuff happens, Tony is kidnapped, and his implants of awesomeness have a range of over 800 miles (if I wasn't already sucked out of my suspension of disbelief I might let that one pass).

Fine.  I can see where that's a problem.

Now the President is in danger, but it's okay Rhody phoned the Vice President (because he can't phone the President or his secretary, apparently),
Because the President was in danger to start with, and was told by one of the goons that the Vice President was involved.  The implication was that the Vice President would be targeted, and Tony and Rhody didn't make him as a traitor because they had no reason to.

but the Vice President doesn't warn him because HE'S A TRAITOR ::gasp:: because he has an amputee daughter, or something (if you ever need the vice president to be a secret agent, mole or traitor, really rethink your plot, because it's hare for me to along with that unless it's really compelling).

Yes, I actually kind of have a problem with the Vice President being a traitor just to support a single technology.  Seemed like a lot of motivation was missing there.

After that it's generic explosions which are fun and I enjoyed, but yeah, that plot kind of sucked hard.

I actually rather enjoyed this movie, aside from the lame "Pepper saves the day" moment at the end (I get it in context, but Gwyneth Paltrow is not equipped to be an action star).  In fact, I think my favorite "Comic Book" movie series is the Iron Man series.  I think for a lot of reasons, this is probably the best "third part" of any trilogy I've seen in the genre.
 
2013-05-12 05:56:13 PM
(this reply post will be spoiler laden)

nmrsnr: Most of this stuff was just far too coincidental for a good plot. Happy just so happens to be taking in a movie where an illegal drug transaction is going down,


He was tailing Savin, James Badge Dale's character.

which just so happens to be about a drug that Guy Pierce just so happened to that very day be peddling to Gwenyth Paltrow,

That's why he was tailing him, he got a bad vibe from both of them (and to be fair, none of the movies did a really good job explaining that Happy is actually a very competent person.)

and that drug transaction just so happened to go wrong so that Happy is injured, which is just enough to incense Tony to seek vengeance. Then after he puts his facility on lockdown, he apparently is entirely defenseless (as is the US air force and NORAD) from stopping two black helicopters armed to the gills from blowing up his place.

Anything like this can be written off by "The Vice President let it happen." He was the high-level person letting lots of things slide and covering up Killian (Guy Pierce)'s activities.

When he wakes up in Tennessee he has a kid helper, fine, I don't like juvenile sidekicks, but whatever, he just so happens to meet the mother of the first experiment-gone-wrong as she is waiting to deliver crucial, sensitive information to one of the bad guys which has all the information Tony would ever need to crack the case, and literally hands it to him.

When the kid - and to call him a sidekick stretches it, he is a kid who is trying to get something out of a famous rich person - tells the story to him, he says that his wife is in the bar. Tony goes there to ask her some questions, and it happens to be where Guy Pierce's people are also looking for them. Convenient, yes, but it works.

How did she get that file?

It was her Husband's file.

Why did the bad guys want that file?

It exposed the whole thing.

Who knows, but Tony saw it and that's enough for the movie, because now we can have a fight with glowy hands! Meanwhile, Iron Patriot goes on a hunt in Afghanistan and gets disabled by the glowy version of the Vulcan neck pinch, which is entirely unexplained throughout the film.

Extreme temperatures can effect how Iron Armor works - they explained that in the first film with the Icing problem (it's not just flight, the extremes causes the suit to fail... we can also note this is probably why he blanks out in The Avengers when going through the wormhole.) This time it's extreme heat that causes the malfunctions.

Plus, while the suit doesn't work at all, it does work enough later for Rhody to be ejected from the suit, and then somehow reactivated so that someone else entirely can also use the suit.

It's motor control is malfunctioning. They make it clear the suit is not working, and Killian says that Savin could get it working again.

Not to mention that every other Iron Man suit except for this can only be activated by only who Tony wants to wear it, so that the bad guy can conveniently hop in. Stuff happens, Tony is kidnapped, and his implants of awesomeness have a range of over 800 miles (if I wasn't already sucked out of my suspension of disbelief I might let that one pass). Now the President is in danger, but it's okay becaus ...

We could hand-wave this as the Vice President again - remember War Machine is military hardware. He overwrites the code except for Rhodes' personal password (the one that he has to keep on changing due to Tony). Also the Implants are a short-range thing to give him control of the suit. and to align it when it was being put on (like the bracelets he wore at the end of THe Avengers to align the Mk. 3). The control was entirely J.A.R.V.I.S., an ability he's had since at least The Avengers.

Now the President is in danger, but it's okay because Rhody phoned the Vice President (because he can't phone the President or his secretary, apparently), but the Vice President doesn't warn him because HE'S A TRAITOR ::gasp:: because he has an amputee daughter, or something (if you ever need the vice president to be a secret agent, mole or traitor, really rethink your plot, because it's hare for me to along with that unless it's really compelling).

The President was on lockdown in Air Force One. Using the Iron Patriot armor Kilian struck and proceeded to kill people, cause a death trap to delay Tony then Kidnap the President. The goal being that if he kill him, then he'd control both the fake terrorist and the new president, and getting fat financial compensation due to military contracts (which Maya Hansen brings up).

Now you do make one plot hole apparent - the Secret Service wouldn't let the VP have christmas dinner at home during a crisis like this. A tiny bit of licence. The Amputee daughter is there to show he is being manipulated by Killian, same as he does the stage actor who plays the Mandarin, by playing on his weakness.

After that it's generic explosions which are fun and I enjoyed, but yeah, that plot kind of sucked hard.

Well you went to an action movie called "Iron Man 3", what did you expect, "My Dinner with Andre"?

/tell me more
 
2013-05-12 06:01:39 PM

Six_By_Nine: Rhody ejected himself.  That said, I believe it was stated that AIM did some sort of re-branding for the Iron Patriot.  It wouldn't be unreasonable to think they had some sort of override code.


You are absolutely correct. And it's better then my version. Good ear.

(I believe they clarify this point while Tony is driving).
 
2013-05-12 06:56:51 PM

Six_By_Nine: This, I had a problem with.  Just made no sense.


The helicopters were disguised as news choppers.
 
2013-05-12 07:02:06 PM
Hey, Pepper is equipped to be an action star, as long as she has that sports bra. :P
 
2013-05-12 07:13:51 PM

Alphax: Hey, Pepper is equipped to be an action star, as long as she has that sports bra. :P


The biggest plot-hole is why didn't that sports bra burn off when she fell into the fire?
 
2013-05-12 07:28:41 PM
Why is Tyler Perry still allowed to make movies?
 
2013-05-12 07:33:37 PM

rzrwiresunrise: Why is Tyler Perry still allowed to make movies?


As has been covered they all make a profit.
 
2013-05-12 07:33:52 PM

Ishkur: Alphax: Hey, Pepper is equipped to be an action star, as long as she has that sports bra. :P

The biggest plot-hole is why didn't that sports bra burn off when she fell into the fire?


Obvious answer, to prevent an R rating.

Course, all of the Extremis infected people should have instantly burned their clothes to ashes. All of them.
 
2013-05-12 07:45:19 PM
Course, if the bad guys had developed special high temperature clothes, they could have put some of them on Pepper, after they injected her.
 
2013-05-12 08:33:59 PM

Esc7: bbfreak: I liked Iron Man 3, probably my favorite of the three films (note, I'm not saying its better than Iron Man 1 necessarily just that I enjoyed it more than the first two). Also, I saw Star Trek Into the Darkness yesterday in an advanced screening and have to say I enjoyed Iron Man 3 more.

Aw craps, I was hoping that would be knock your socks off great.


We saw it on Friday night (it opened last Wednesday here) and enjoyed it. My wife isn't a huge Trek fan, but it was her favorite movie so far this year.
 
2013-05-12 09:29:05 PM
I'm tired of people screaming that Tony is so dumb because he told the Mandarin where he lived and then his house was blown up.  It didn't seem odd to me.  For one thing, his house is practically a landmark.  Anyone with any sort of resources could locate it.  Heck, i could probably find Bill Gates's house if i really tried.  Killian already knew where it was, it's not like he saw the news and said "aha!  I have the address at last!  Your hubris will be your downfall, Mr. Stark!"  It was a moment of grandstanding, and if the Mandarin was who he appeared to be -- a guy hiding out in the middle East -- not much would have come of it.  No one would think that a guy in Pakistan could strike you that night.  Tony was probably going to contact his allies, and get together with Rhodey the next morning and plan a US-backed mission to track down the Mandarin in the middle East... he just wasn't aware that his real enemy was someone who had a personal grudge against him, AND had local resources that could be activated in 2 hours or whatever.  These geeks screaming about this supposed massive blunder are dumb.

Tennessee, yeah!  Chattanooga and Ca$hville, wut!
 
2013-05-12 10:09:33 PM

Marc L'Hommedieu: I'm tired of people screaming that Tony is so dumb because he told the Mandarin where he lived and then his house was blown up.  It didn't seem odd to me.  For one thing, his house is practically a landmark.  Anyone with any sort of resources could locate it.


Is it even a secret at all?  He farked a reporter there at the start of Iron Man and Pepper had a cab waiting for her outside the next morning.
 
2013-05-12 11:06:15 PM
Nothin I love more than people who over analyze plot points in a freaking Super Hero movie.  Here's all I know :  saw it today with my 2 sons (13, 7) and wife.  they loved it,so did she.  I spent 2 hours watching something visually exciting, quick paced, with a lot of witty dialogue.

Gwyneth Paltrow is annoying as shiat, but still looks great.  Ben Kingsley was fabulous.  Is RDJ's "schtick" tired ?  Not to me - the guy flat out is the Tony Stark I imaginedwhile  reading comics as a kid ....his "schtick" is directly responsible for this fabulous Golden Age of comic movies, and without his character, Disney probaly wouldnt have made the massive paradigm shift in IP acquisition that led to their rescuing Star Wars from certain mediocrity.

He can schtick it up all he wants - I'm fine with it.
 
2013-05-12 11:20:24 PM

Marc L'Hommedieu: I'm tired of people screaming that Tony is so dumb because he told the Mandarin where he lived and then his house was blown up.  It didn't seem odd to me.


I was thinking it also had something to do with his sleep deprivation.
 
2013-05-12 11:35:44 PM
As far as the helicopters attacking the house goes, they were disguised as news copters and were camouflaged by all the other news copters in the area, which is why they didn't create any suspicion.

What WAS a stretch was that the Killian would have had the foresight to have performed complicated and time-consuming modifications to helicopters in anticipation of Happy following the dude from Rubicon and getting injured, causing Tony to make the public threat that brought the copters to his house. That's some crazy Joker-style pre-planning there, unless you just assume that Tony was already targeted for a similar revenge attack and Happy's accident just moved up the timetable.
 
2013-05-13 12:09:48 AM

Alphax: Ishkur: Alphax: Hey, Pepper is equipped to be an action star, as long as she has that sports bra. :P

The biggest plot-hole is why didn't that sports bra burn off when she fell into the fire?

Obvious answer, to prevent an R rating.

Course, all of the Extremis infected people should have instantly burned their clothes to ashes. All of them.



It's a Marvel Universe. The clothes are made of "unstable molecules."  Even though they don't have a Reed Richards in this universe, someone else could have discovered that invention (AIM, for instance) and applied it where it was needed: On Extremis soldiers.

However, now I'm hoping there's an R-rated director's cut!
 
2013-05-13 12:22:36 AM
Stuff for Marvel zombies to enjoy in Iron Man 3:

→ All the major plot points to Extremis were present, but jumbled around.*

→ The female Extremis soldier in Tennessee was Ellen Brandt, also known as Man-Thing's wife (who tried to kill him, which caused him to become Man-Thing.) She even had the scarred face which was inflicted by Man-Thing's corrosive touch. This means that Man-Thing probably exists on Earth 199999*. Could Howard the Duck be there, too? (Before you say "no", just think: We're getting Rocket Raccoon.)

→ Yinsen was, indeed, at the conference in Bern, just like he told Tony in that cave.

→ Space armor! A nod to possible involvement in Guardians of the Galaxy.

→ Remote control armors. Something Tony has been doing a lot in the comics, lately while he's off-planet with the Guardians of the Galaxy.

→ Fire-breath. Fans of the Extremis story will remember this is a primary Extremis soldier power, and it looked cool!


* This is a different universe- the Marvel Cinematic Universe (aka Universe 199999) and so naturally, things unfold differently than in Universe 616 (mainstream Marvel) or Universe 1619 (Ultimate Marvel).
 
2013-05-13 01:09:29 AM
I have to ask again as the answer to this I get is always so varied, is the Mandarin essentially the Lex Luthor type of enemy? People who've been reading the comics since forever have both said that this movie shiats on the rivalry and that the character was always changing. Is it really the same as the Eddie brock/Venom treatment in spiderman 3?
 
2013-05-13 02:06:36 AM

Urine The Money: Who's Tyler Perry?


Ask Aaron Mcgruder of "The Boondocks", LOL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47En_G2Mzf4
 
2013-05-13 10:36:59 AM
Ironic.  The Great Gatsby shows America's Owners doing what they do best and where does the average american go: Iron Man 3

a Nation of idiot kids. even the 'adults' are kids now.

the Owners wouldn't have it any other way.
 
2013-05-13 10:38:27 AM

shower_in_my_socks: "Unfaithful"? Have you even seen the film, Subby? I read the first 2/3rds of the book last week in preparation, and the film is nearly word-for-word. With visual flair, yes, but it's not "unfaithful" to the source material. I was surprised by how many scenes were exact representations of the book. I think Gatsby has become the film everyone who hasn't seen it loves to rip apart. I went into it with low expectations, and as someone who is not a big fan of Baz's previous films, and I was totally won over by it. Total spectacle.



and such a great theme for America now too.
 
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