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(Deadline)   Iron Man 3 is still golden at the box office, its $75 million weekend making it the top film at the box office. Baz Luhrmann's unfaithful adaptation of The Great Gatsby is a big #2 with $52 million, and the latest Tyler Perry film bombs   (deadline.com) divider line 73
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2013-05-12 09:34:17 AM  
Iron Man 3 reminded me of the way the Pirate sequels overexposed Johnny Depp: A little too much RDJ. It's not a bad movie, but you can tell they're milking this character for all its worth and his schtick is starting to get old.

It also felt less like a superhero movie and more like a Lethal Weapon movie, and not just because it was written/directed by Shane Black.
 
2013-05-12 11:14:35 AM  
My gf wanted to see gatsby so we went. I can see how you can like it, buuuuut it was mainly bad and missed the only point of the book i liked. he made it into a chick flick really (i know, shocking right?) also, he does know you don't have to hold the zoom button every scene right?
 
2013-05-12 11:15:09 AM  
Who's Tyler Perry?
 
2013-05-12 11:15:17 AM  
I have a feeling the word "bombs" has a different meaning in Tyler Perry's world. I'd be surprised if any of his films has lost money (the ones he's produced, anyway.)
 
2013-05-12 11:19:09 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: I have a feeling the word "bombs" has a different meaning in Tyler Perry's world. I'd be surprised if any of his films has lost money (the ones he's produced, anyway.)


That's kind of the problem these days - as long as it turns a profit, it's a "success." It's why SyFy sucks, Tyler Perry has a job, and Kesha is still in the damned news.
 
2013-05-12 11:23:08 AM  

Urine The Money: Who's Tyler Perry?


The guy who is president of the Federation.
 
2013-05-12 11:23:52 AM  

Urine The Money: Who's Tyler Perry?


A no talent hack with a knack for making movies that sell like crack
 
2013-05-12 11:25:53 AM  
Is fark doing another fantasy summer movie thing? that thing was funny.

/finished fifth because of the lucky Tyler perry pick
 
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2013-05-12 11:27:14 AM  
for a film that "bombs" that hack makes a lot of money for a lot of people.
 
2013-05-12 11:44:43 AM  
At first I thought you said "the last Tyler Perry film", subby, and I was all ready to convert to christianity thinking that there is a god.
 
2013-05-12 11:47:10 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Urine The Money: Who's Tyler Perry?

A no talent hack with a knack for making movies

misguided morality plays that sell like crack

FTFY
 
2013-05-12 11:58:44 AM  
"Unfaithful"? Have you even seen the film, Subby? I read the first 2/3rds of the book last week in preparation, and the film is nearly word-for-word. With visual flair, yes, but it's not "unfaithful" to the source material. I was surprised by how many scenes were exact representations of the book. I think Gatsby has become the film everyone who hasn't seen it loves to rip apart. I went into it with low expectations, and as someone who is not a big fan of Baz's previous films, and I was totally won over by it. Total spectacle.
 
2013-05-12 12:00:21 PM  
RDJ could read the phone book for two hours and I don't think I'd get tired of it. His shtick is what sells the films.  Take him out and you have Transformers with Gwyneth Paltrow. Who wants to be subjected to that?

Watch Home for the Holidays if you haven't. Some of RDJ's best work.
 
2013-05-12 12:08:33 PM  
I liked Iron Man 3, probably my favorite of the three films (note, I'm not saying its better than Iron Man 1 necessarily just that I enjoyed it more than the first two). Also, I saw Star Trek Into the Darkness yesterday in an advanced screening and have to say I enjoyed Iron Man 3 more.
 
2013-05-12 12:10:15 PM  

bbfreak: I liked Iron Man 3, probably my favorite of the three films (note, I'm not saying its better than Iron Man 1 necessarily just that I enjoyed it more than the first two). Also, I saw Star Trek Into the Darkness yesterday in an advanced screening and have to say I enjoyed Iron Man 3 more.


Aw craps, I was hoping that would be knock your socks off great.
 
2013-05-12 12:11:12 PM  

Urine The Money: Who's Tyler Perry?


You haven't seen Tyler Perry Presents: Tyler Perry's Tyler Perry, a Tyler Perry Production?  The brothers love it.
 
2013-05-12 12:14:34 PM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: RDJ could read the phone book for two hours and I don't think I'd get tired of it. His shtick is what sells the films.  Take him out and you have Transformers with Gwyneth Paltrow. Who wants to be subjected to that?

Watch Home for the Holidays if you haven't. Some of RDJ's best work.


Actually I was pretty happy that they kept RDJ out of the suit for most of the film (IM3).  It made him a BETTER super hero and really drove home that "the suit is great and all, but TONY is Iron Man, not the SUIT".  That, and when the plane scene happens you are not already weary of seeing Tony in costume winning battles (altho the reveal of where exactly Tony was did cheapen the scene a bit).  Finally - we already had three movies with tons of Iron Man in costume.  This film really did alot more character development on Stark and made us FEEL for the person in the suit.  The post traumatic stress stuff was brilliant.

Having said that, clean slate was farking stupid.  Peter learned "With great power comes great responsibility".  Tony learned "biatchES BE JEALOUS OF ARMOR LOL".  Pepper never bothered to care what was troubling Tony (he saved the farking world from an alien invasion and dead fell out of the Lumpy Abyss and is having a BIT of a hard time coping) and just complained that Tony was spending too much time making armor.
 
2013-05-12 12:16:14 PM  

Thank You Black Jesus!: RDJ could read the phone book for two hours and I don't think I'd get tired of it. His shtick is what sells the films.  Take him out and you have Transformers with Gwyneth Paltrow. Who wants to be subjected to that?

Watch Home for the Holidays if you haven't. Some of RDJ's best work.


I agree to the extent that this movie was carried on the shoulders of RDJ, but the other Iron Man movies had decent enough plots and good enough ancillary characters to make them both good movies and fun summer blockbusters. This one didn't. It had a sloppily written plot, an entirely superfluous Short-Round-esque kid sidekick, and a significantly worse opponent. This was, as you said, about as good as Transformers in terms of plot and character development, it just had Robert Downey Junior to save it from suckitude, which is sad, considering I honestly like the first one, and I kind of liked the second.
 
2013-05-12 12:18:36 PM  
Took the kids to IM3 yesterday and we totally missed the post-credits scene.  My daughter has the bladder of a 10 year old girl, wtf.
 
2013-05-12 12:20:07 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: "Unfaithful"? Have you even seen the film, Subby? I read the first 2/3rds of the book last week in preparation, and the film is nearly word-for-word. With visual flair, yes, but it's not "unfaithful" to the source material. I was surprised by how many scenes were exact representations of the book. I think Gatsby has become the film everyone who hasn't seen it loves to rip apart. I went into it with low expectations, and as someone who is not a big fan of Baz's previous films, and I was totally won over by it. Total spectacle.


He captured the words in the book but not the meaning behind them. Putting Nick in a sanatorium is completely ridiculous and misses the entire point of his journey and disillusionment with society.
 
2013-05-12 12:20:32 PM  

Esc7: bbfreak: I liked Iron Man 3, probably my favorite of the three films (note, I'm not saying its better than Iron Man 1 necessarily just that I enjoyed it more than the first two). Also, I saw Star Trek Into the Darkness yesterday in an advanced screening and have to say I enjoyed Iron Man 3 more.

Aw craps, I was hoping that would be knock your socks off great.


Your mileage my vary, though this review by Luke Y Thompson sums up my feelings best:  Star Trek Into Darkness is the most visually spectacular film in the franchise...Narratively, however, it's more problematic - its incessant references and cribs from predecessors are a disappointment.
 
2013-05-12 12:24:35 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: "Unfaithful"? Have you even seen the film, Subby? I read the first 2/3rds of the book last week in preparation, and the film is nearly word-for-word. With visual flair, yes, but it's not "unfaithful" to the source material. I was surprised by how many scenes were exact representations of the book. I think Gatsby has become the film everyone who hasn't seen it loves to rip apart. I went into it with low expectations, and as someone who is not a big fan of Baz's previous films, and I was totally won over by it. Total spectacle.


I hope it's good, as I'm taking my daughter to see it this weekend.  Her English teacher is giving extra credit for seeing the film since the class just finished reading the book.
 
2013-05-12 12:24:45 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: You haven't seen Tyler Perry Presents: Tyler Perry's Tyler Perry, a Tyler Perry Production?  The brothers sistas love it.


The brothas are sick of his shiat (and I actually know the guy)
 
2013-05-12 12:26:48 PM  

Wulfman: Took the kids to IM3 yesterday and we totally missed the post-credits scene.  My daughter has the bladder of a 10 year old girl, wtf.


You didn't miss a ton.. just the revelation of who Tony was telling this whole story to (the narration)
 
2013-05-12 12:32:26 PM  
Oblig for Tyler Perry threads:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRfDgnapUAw
 
2013-05-12 12:34:52 PM  

nmrsnr: Thank You Black Jesus!: RDJ could read the phone book for two hours and I don't think I'd get tired of it. His shtick is what sells the films.  Take him out and you have Transformers with Gwyneth Paltrow. Who wants to be subjected to that?

Watch Home for the Holidays if you haven't. Some of RDJ's best work.

I agree to the extent that this movie was carried on the shoulders of RDJ, but the other Iron Man movies had decent enough plots and good enough ancillary characters to make them both good movies and fun summer blockbusters. This one didn't. It had a sloppily written plot, an entirely superfluous Short-Round-esque kid sidekick, and a significantly worse opponent. This was, as you said, about as good as Transformers in terms of plot and character development, it just had Robert Downey Junior to save it from suckitude, which is sad, considering I honestly like the first one, and I kind of liked the second.


what was sloppy about the plot?  mysterious man tries to sell tony on some genetic crap.  mysterious man, rebuffed by tony, finds other avenues and has problems.  mysterious man tries to cover up problems with crazy terror plot.  A PST Tony has to figure out what is happening and save the day while his armor hating girlfriend is in another castle, while also developing his own humanity.  The "Short Round" stuff was great, not because the kid was any great shakes (he was ok and played very true to what an annoying kid would be) but because it made Tony rely on someone other than himself to get the job done.  Even in the Avengers, Tony was still pretty much a "one-man show".  He didn't need the other heroes.  He thought Thor was an idiot, that Cap was blind and all Hulk was good for was smashing.  He saved the world pretty much all on his own (at least that is how he saw it, I believe). I think what might have also been a part of his PST - realizing that he couldn't do it alone really farked with him.

It was miles away better than any of those shiatty Transformers films (and this is coming from a life long Marvel\Transformers fan).
 
2013-05-12 12:36:36 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: "Unfaithful"? Have you even seen the film, Subby? I read the first 2/3rds of the book last week in preparation, and the film is nearly word-for-word. With visual flair, yes, but it's not "unfaithful" to the source material. I was surprised by how many scenes were exact representations of the book. I think Gatsby has become the film everyone who hasn't seen it loves to rip apart. I went into it with low expectations, and as someone who is not a big fan of Baz's previous films, and I was totally won over by it. Total spectacle.


You can be faithful to a plot without being faithful to the story.
 
2013-05-12 12:44:53 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: I have a feeling the word "bombs" has a different meaning in Tyler Perry's world. I'd be surprised if any of his films has lost money (the ones he's produced, anyway.)


^This^. Peeples had a budget of $15M. The lowest grossing TP film so far grossed $31M, so even if it ties for last, it will have more than doubled its money.

Cite: http://boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=tylerperry.htm
 
2013-05-12 12:55:46 PM  

Wulfman: Took the kids to IM3 yesterday and we totally missed the post-credits scene.  My daughter has the bladder of a 10 year old girl, wtf.


My daughter is 10 and she held it pretty well.

Nobody left the theater till after post-credits.
 
2013-05-12 01:03:59 PM  

frepnog: what was sloppy about the plot?


::Spoiler Alert::

Oh, where to start?

Most of this stuff was just far too coincidental for a good plot. Happy just so happens to be taking in a movie where an illegal drug transaction is going down, which just so happens to be about a drug that Guy Pierce just so happened to that very day be peddling to Gwenyth Paltrow, and that drug transaction just so happened to go wrong so that Happy is injured, which is just enough to incense Tony to seek vengeance. Then after he puts his facility on lockdown, he apparently is entirely defenseless (as is the US air force and NORAD) from stopping two black helicopters armed to the gills from blowing up his place. When he wakes up in Tennessee he has a kid helper, fine, I don't like juvenile sidekicks, but whatever, he just so happens to meet the mother of the first experiment-gone-wrong as she is waiting to deliver crucial, sensitive information to one of the bad guys which has all the information Tony would ever need to crack the case, and literally hands it to him. How did she get that file? Why did the bad guys want that file? Who knows, but Tony saw it and that's enough for the movie, because now we can have a fight with glowy hands! Meanwhile, Iron Patriot goes on a hunt in Afghanistan and gets disabled by the glowy version of the Vulcan neck pinch, which is entirely unexplained throughout the film. Plus, while the suit doesn't work at all, it does work enough later for Rhody to be ejected from the suit, and then somehow reactivated so that someone else entirely can also use the suit. Not to mention that every other Iron Man suit except for this can only be activated by only who Tony wants to wear it, so that the bad guy can conveniently hop in. Stuff happens, Tony is kidnapped, and his implants of awesomeness have a range of over 800 miles (if I wasn't already sucked out of my suspension of disbelief I might let that one pass). Now the President is in danger, but it's okay because Rhody phoned the Vice President (because he can't phone the President or his secretary, apparently), but the Vice President doesn't warn him because HE'S A TRAITOR ::gasp:: because he has an amputee daughter, or something (if you ever need the vice president to be a secret agent, mole or traitor, really rethink your plot, because it's hare for me to along with that unless it's really compelling). After that it's generic explosions which are fun and I enjoyed, but yeah, that plot kind of sucked hard.
 
2013-05-12 01:08:39 PM  
I had a lot of fun. As long as you separate comics universe from movie universe, it was a lot of fun. I didn't even think I'd like the whole "Iron Man team of robots" but ended up loving it.
My main thing is though, I go into EVERY movie thinking "This movie is going to be the best movie I've ever seen". I make sure to not go in with ANY drama or ANY negativity. That way I can grade the movie on its own merits.

As long as they don't make a 4, this wraps up the trilogy nicely.
If you don't read comics and just watched these 3 movies, it would be a nice flow.
RDJ, Cheadle, Paltrow. everyone got nice screen time, it had enough humor for kids, romance for girls and action for guys.
Nice family movie (PG13).

I'd love it if the kid in the movie turned out to be NOVA from the current series.
 
2013-05-12 01:10:21 PM  

nmrsnr: frepnog: what was sloppy about the plot?

::Spoiler Alert::

Oh, where to start?

Most of this stuff was just far too coincidental for a good plot. Happy just so happens to be taking in a movie where an illegal drug transaction is going down, which just so happens to be about a drug that Guy Pierce just so happened to that very day be peddling to Gwenyth Paltrow, and that drug transaction just so happened to go wrong so that Happy is injured, which is just enough to incense Tony to seek vengeance. Then after he puts his facility on lockdown, he apparently is entirely defenseless (as is the US air force and NORAD) from stopping two black helicopters armed to the gills from blowing up his place. When he wakes up in Tennessee he has a kid helper, fine, I don't like juvenile sidekicks, but whatever, he just so happens to meet the mother of the first experiment-gone-wrong as she is waiting to deliver crucial, sensitive information to one of the bad guys which has all the information Tony would ever need to crack the case, and literally hands it to him. How did she get that file? Why did the bad guys want that file? Who knows, but Tony saw it and that's enough for the movie, because now we can have a fight with glowy hands! Meanwhile, Iron Patriot goes on a hunt in Afghanistan and gets disabled by the glowy version of the Vulcan neck pinch, which is entirely unexplained throughout the film. Plus, while the suit doesn't work at all, it does work enough later for Rhody to be ejected from the suit, and then somehow reactivated so that someone else entirely can also use the suit. Not to mention that every other Iron Man suit except for this can only be activated by only who Tony wants to wear it, so that the bad guy can conveniently hop in. Stuff happens, Tony is kidnapped, and his implants of awesomeness have a range of over 800 miles (if I wasn't already sucked out of my suspension of disbelief I might let that one pass). Now the President is in danger, but it's okay because Rhody phoned the Vice President (because he can't phone the President or his secretary, apparently), but the Vice President doesn't warn him because HE'S A TRAITOR ::gasp:: because he has an amputee daughter, or something (if you ever need the vice president to be a secret agent, mole or traitor, really rethink your plot, because it's hare for me to along with that unless it's really compelling). After that it's generic explosions which are fun and I enjoyed, but yeah, that plot kind of sucked hard.


Did you actually watch the film? Many of your complaints are due to either jumbling up events or just plain not paying attention.
 
2013-05-12 01:17:29 PM  

nmrsnr: Oh, where to start?


I WAS going to go over this point-by-point, but halfway through I had to realize this was troll copypasta.

Unless you repeatedly dozed off through the movie or have -severe- ADHD, there's no way you could've missed all the explanations to the issues you bring up.
 
2013-05-12 01:17:41 PM  

Summoner101: nmrsnr: frepnog: what was sloppy about the plot?

::Spoiler Alert::

Oh, where to start?

Most of this stuff was just far too coincidental for a good plot. Happy just so happens to be taking in a movie where an illegal drug transaction is going down, which just so happens to be about a drug that Guy Pierce just so happened to that very day be peddling to Gwenyth Paltrow, and that drug transaction just so happened to go wrong so that Happy is injured, which is just enough to incense Tony to seek vengeance. Then after he puts his facility on lockdown, he apparently is entirely defenseless (as is the US air force and NORAD) from stopping two black helicopters armed to the gills from blowing up his place. When he wakes up in Tennessee he has a kid helper, fine, I don't like juvenile sidekicks, but whatever, he just so happens to meet the mother of the first experiment-gone-wrong as she is waiting to deliver crucial, sensitive information to one of the bad guys which has all the information Tony would ever need to crack the case, and literally hands it to him. How did she get that file? Why did the bad guys want that file? Who knows, but Tony saw it and that's enough for the movie, because now we can have a fight with glowy hands! Meanwhile, Iron Patriot goes on a hunt in Afghanistan and gets disabled by the glowy version of the Vulcan neck pinch, which is entirely unexplained throughout the film. Plus, while the suit doesn't work at all, it does work enough later for Rhody to be ejected from the suit, and then somehow reactivated so that someone else entirely can also use the suit. Not to mention that every other Iron Man suit except for this can only be activated by only who Tony wants to wear it, so that the bad guy can conveniently hop in. Stuff happens, Tony is kidnapped, and his implants of awesomeness have a range of over 800 miles (if I wasn't already sucked out of my suspension of disbelief I might let that one pass). Now the President is in danger, but it's okay because Rhody phoned the Vice President (because he can't phone the President or his secretary, apparently), but the Vice President doesn't warn him because HE'S A TRAITOR ::gasp:: because he has an amputee daughter, or something (if you ever need the vice president to be a secret agent, mole or traitor, really rethink your plot, because it's hare for me to along with that unless it's really compelling). After that it's generic explosions which are fun and I enjoyed, but yeah, that plot kind of sucked hard.

Did you actually watch the film? Many of your complaints are due to either jumbling up events or just plain not paying attention.


Like what? If you can tell me how/when they explain why merely touching the iron man suits makes them lock up I'll immediately change my review from bad to disappointing.
 
2013-05-12 01:24:01 PM  

nmrsnr: frepnog: what was sloppy about the plot?

::Spoiler Alert::

Oh, where to start?

Most of this stuff was just far too coincidental for a good plot.
Happy just so happens to be taking in a movie where an illegal drug transaction is going down, which just so happens to be about a drug that Guy Pierce just so happened to that very day be peddling to Gwenyth Paltrow,


How do you know that didn't happen over the course of several days?
Oh, no, we should watch Happy follow the guy to McDonalds and the bathroom. That'd be fun.


and that drug transaction just so happened to go wrong so that Happy is injured, which is just enough to incense Tony to seek vengeance.

Dude. You're farking nitpicking.


Then after he puts his facility on lockdown, he apparently is entirely defenseless (as is the US air force and NORAD) from stopping two black helicopters armed to the gills from blowing up his place.

"I thought we were on high alert? What's with 'Ding Dong'?
"Sir, it's hard to defend the house when you've given the World your address."


When he wakes up in Tennessee he has a kid helper, fine, I don't like juvenile sidekicks, but whatever,
You have issues. More than the X-Men.

he just so happens to meet the mother of the first experiment-gone-wrong as she is waiting to deliver crucial, sensitive information to one of the bad guys which has all the information
So the kid and a little investigative work couldn't show WHAT SHE LOOKED LIKE AFTER BEING IN THE NEWS?!

Tony would ever need to crack the case, and literally hands it to him.
"You're not the one who called?"

How did she get that file?
So...you pretty much know her whole backstory in 2 minutes of screen time?
Cool. You're way smart.

Why did the bad guys want that file?
To keep it from Authorities finding out about the "suicide bomb". Covering tracks.

Who knows, but Tony saw it and that's enough for the movie, because now we can have a fight with glowy hands! Meanwhile, Iron Patriot goes on a hunt in Afghanistan and gets disabled by the glowy version of the Vulcan neck pinch, which is entirely unexplained throughout the film.
Holy fark. You're either 7 and need According To Jim explained to you or not paying attention.

Plus, while the suit doesn't work at all, it does work enough later for Rhody to be ejected from the suit, and then somehow reactivated so that someone else entirely can also use the suit. Not to mention that every other Iron Man suit except for this can only be activated by only who Tony wants to wear it, so that the bad guy can conveniently hop in. Stuff happens, Tony is kidnapped, and his implants of awesomeness have a range of over 800 miles (if I wasn't already sucked out of my suspension of disbelief I might let that one pass). Now the President is in danger, but it's okay becaus


Forget it. I'm out.
It's not worth it. Clearly you're either:
a) Somone who invested money in seeing a movie they couldn't afford,
b) An investor OF the movie
c) A nerd who can't seperate movie universe from comic universe
d) Someone who was raped by the movie.

I'm sorry if it was D, but truth be told, RDJr could rape me and I wouldn't tell just for the story.
 
2013-05-12 01:27:01 PM  

nmrsnr: frepnog: what was sloppy about the plot?

::Spoiler Alert::

Oh, where to start?

Most of this stuff was just far too coincidental for a good plot. Happy just so happens to be taking in a movie where an illegal drug transaction is going down, which just so happens to be about a drug that Guy Pierce just so happened to that very day be peddling to Gwenyth Paltrow, and that drug transaction just so happened to go wrong so that Happy is injured, which is just enough to incense Tony to seek vengeance. Then after he puts his facility on lockdown, he apparently is entirely defenseless (as is the US air force and NORAD) from stopping two black helicopters armed to the gills from blowing up his place. When he wakes up in Tennessee he has a kid helper, fine, I don't like juvenile sidekicks, but whatever, he just so happens to meet the mother of the first experiment-gone-wrong as she is waiting to deliver crucial, sensitive information to one of the bad guys which has all the information Tony would ever need to crack the case, and literally hands it to him. How did she get that file? Why did the bad guys want that file? Who knows, but Tony saw it and that's enough for the movie, because now we can have a fight with glowy hands! Meanwhile, Iron Patriot goes on a hunt in Afghanistan and gets disabled by the glowy version of the Vulcan neck pinch, which is entirely unexplained throughout the film. Plus, while the suit doesn't work at all, it does work enough later for Rhody to be ejected from the suit, and then somehow reactivated so that someone else entirely can also use the suit. Not to mention that every other Iron Man suit except for this can only be activated by only who Tony wants to wear it, so that the bad guy can conveniently hop in. Stuff happens, Tony is kidnapped, and his implants of awesomeness have a range of over 800 miles (if I wasn't already sucked out of my suspension of disbelief I might let that one pass). Now the President is in danger, but it's okay becaus ...


you are very much overthinking it.  not saying the movie was the best thing ever, but the pieces fit where they needed to and the coincidental stuff is no more than the "MacGuyver has what ever he needs to get out of this jam" writing that exists in almost all movies.  Happy was following that dude.   I am pretty sure that was made obvious.  Town in Tennessee stuff was certainly convenient but it WAS why he was going there. The Iron Patriot stuff was obviously that the protocols were either disabled or the Iron Patriot suit isn't specifically keyed to Rhodey, which MUST be the case since they stuck the president in there and had him incapacitated in the armor.  Tony's implants obviously work on some satellite network (you can call people on your cell that are more than 20 feet away, right? )  The vice president stuff was kind of stupid sure but not story breaking - you always need a government traitor in Marvel stuff.  Could it have been better?  Of course, what movie couldn't?  They did however do a very good job with it, it was better than the second film, it avoided the old "too many villains" bullshiat that so many studios do with super hero sequels, didn't dilute the character and didn't spend too much time on Iron Patriot (honestly I am not sure why they felt the need to include that stuff, you could cut IP out of the film entirely and it would be the same film).
 
2013-05-12 01:28:33 PM  

nmrsnr: Most of this stuff was just far too coincidental for a good plot. Happy just so happens to be taking in a movie where an illegal drug transaction is going down


OK, I literally got a sentence into that gigantic wall-of-text before spotting the first instance of you missing a plot point. Happy was tailing that guy. It was set up by Happy being suspicious of him earlier, Happy telling Tony that he was gonna look into it and shots of Happy literally following that guy.

It's not the movie's fault you weren't paying attention.
 
2013-05-12 01:29:49 PM  

Zombie DJ: I'm sorry if it was D, but truth be told, RDJr could rape me and I wouldn't tell just for the story.


I am a not-ghey dude, but if RDJ tried to rape me he would figure out pretty quick that this was going to be an easy crime.  ;)
 
2013-05-12 01:46:28 PM  

flaminio: thatguyoverthere70: I have a feeling the word "bombs" has a different meaning in Tyler Perry's world. I'd be surprised if any of his films has lost money (the ones he's produced, anyway.)

^This^. Peeples had a budget of $15M. The lowest grossing TP film so far grossed $31M, so even if it ties for last, it will have more than doubled its money.

Cite: http://boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=tylerperry.htm


OK, this time I'll be the guy in every Fark movie thread that reminds everyone how a production budget does not include the marketing costs. A typical studio-backed film invests at least half as much as the project's production budget into advertising it.

That said, studios never release this info, so its all speculatve, and Tyler Perry's audience doesn't really need advertising to get 'em in the seats. He's been as close to a sure-thing for many years, regardless of quality, and its got that guy from The Office, so I'm surprising that this one didn't hit.
 
2013-05-12 01:57:19 PM  

Urine The Money: Who's Tyler Perry?


The guys who wrote the song "Walk This Way". Or did Run-Dmc write the song? N/M.
 
2013-05-12 03:00:10 PM  
I enjoyed IM3. Far more character exposition than in any of the other films thus far. Thoroughly good. Thor 2 also looks interesting as I don't know much of his story in general.
 
2013-05-12 03:09:39 PM  

frepnog: I am not sure why they felt the need to include that stuff, you could cut IP out of the film entirely and it would be the same film).


For the buddy-cop banter. Remember, this IS Shane Black we're talking about.
 
2013-05-12 03:34:43 PM  

Wulfman: Took the kids to IM3 yesterday and we totally missed the post-credits scene.  My daughter has the bladder of a 10 year old girl, wtf.




You don't say?
 
2013-05-12 03:54:00 PM  

Ishkur: frepnog: I am not sure why they felt the need to include that stuff, you could cut IP out of the film entirely and it would be the same film).

For the buddy-cop banter. Remember, this IS Shane Black we're talking about.


i would have thought jarvis could have done that.  meh, it was ok.
 
2013-05-12 04:09:28 PM  

nmrsnr: ...Meanwhile, Iron Patriot goes on a hunt in Afghanistan and gets disabled by the glowy version of the Vulcan neck pinch, which is entirely unexplained throughout the film....


Err, it was one of the major plot points in the film. How did you miss it?
 
2013-05-12 04:19:26 PM  
Tyler Perry's A Tyler Perry Production of "Black People Doing Updated Minstral Show That Endears Some Blacks Because They Have Nothing Else To Identify With While Enraging Educated Blacks Who Thought We Were Past This" by Tyler Perry is finally losing steam?

Good.
 
2013-05-12 04:22:54 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: nmrsnr: ...Meanwhile, Iron Patriot goes on a hunt in Afghanistan and gets disabled by the glowy version of the Vulcan neck pinch, which is entirely unexplained throughout the film....

Err, it was one of the major plot points in the film. How did you miss it?


They explained it was part of Extremis, but they kinda neglected to say in Scientific terms what it was other than some nonsensical formula from Tony Stark and Maya Hanson.  Whar nanotechnology whar?  I sometimes wonder why these runtimes are average when they could add 5 minutes (or less) of exposition to make shiat make a little more sense.
 
2013-05-12 04:24:15 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: "Unfaithful"? Have you even seen the film, Subby? I read the first 2/3rds of the book last week in preparation, and the film is nearly word-for-word. With visual flair, yes, but it's not "unfaithful" to the source material. I was surprised by how many scenes were exact representations of the book. I think Gatsby has become the film everyone who hasn't seen it loves to rip apart. I went into it with low expectations, and as someone who is not a big fan of Baz's previous films, and I was totally won over by it. Total spectacle.


My Problem with it were twofold: 1) visual gimmicks to make it play like "moulin rouge 2" with the typewriter and crap that the story didn't need and 2) the backwards direction choices. When the movie should have been tight and oppressive (in the new York scenes), they were mostly shot from across the room and you lost the characters in the wallpaper.
 
2013-05-12 04:29:41 PM  
How anachronistic is Great Gatsby? I heard the soundtrack has dubstep.
 
2013-05-12 04:42:21 PM  

eddievercetti: How anachronistic is Great Gatsby? I heard the soundtrack has dubstep.


...? Lot of jay z, beyonce, and fark's favorite Lana del ray. Made the parties feel modern so I thought it was a good move but it's clear he wanted to do a long music video
 
2013-05-12 05:35:28 PM  

Where wolf: shower_in_my_socks: "Unfaithful"? Have you even seen the film, Subby? I read the first 2/3rds of the book last week in preparation, and the film is nearly word-for-word. With visual flair, yes, but it's not "unfaithful" to the source material. I was surprised by how many scenes were exact representations of the book. I think Gatsby has become the film everyone who hasn't seen it loves to rip apart. I went into it with low expectations, and as someone who is not a big fan of Baz's previous films, and I was totally won over by it. Total spectacle.

My Problem with it were twofold: 1) visual gimmicks to make it play like "moulin rouge 2" with the typewriter and crap that the story didn't need and 2) the backwards direction choices. When the movie should have been tight and oppressive (in the new York scenes), they were mostly shot from across the room and you lost the characters in the wallpaper.


All of that is true, but subby was trolling with the headline. Nothing about that adaption was unfaithful to the material. Not one single complaint made here in the comments makes any sense as a valid complaint about the film. Haters gonna hate.
 
2013-05-12 05:45:32 PM  
Oh, what the hell...

nmrsnr: frepnog: what was sloppy about the plot?

::Spoiler Alert::

Oh, where to start?

Most of this stuff was just far too coincidental for a good plot. Happy just so happens to be taking in a movie where an illegal drug transaction is going down, which just so happens to be about a drug that Guy Pierce just so happened to that very day be peddling to Gwenyth Paltrow,and that drug transaction just so happened to go wrong so that Happy is injured, which is just enough to incense Tony to seek vengeance.


Apparently you missed the part where Guy Pierce's "guy" is sitting in the lobby and the whole conversation between Happy and Tony that followed where Happy said the guy was suspicious.  He was NOT taking in a movie.  He was following the guy.

Then after he puts his facility on lockdown, he apparently is entirely defenseless (as is the US air force and NORAD) from stopping two black helicopters armed to the gills from blowing up his place.

This, I had a problem with.  Just made no sense.

When he wakes up in Tennessee he has a kid helper, fine, I don't like juvenile sidekicks, but whatever, he just so happens to meet the mother of the first experiment-gone-wrong as she is waiting to deliver crucial, sensitive information to one of the bad guys which has all the information Tony would ever need to crack the case, and literally hands it to him. How did she get that file?

Maybe the guy stole the file for safe keeping?  And then, after he died, his mom found it?

Why did the bad guys want that file? Who knows, but Tony saw it and that's enough for the movie, because now we can have a fight with glowy hands!

Why wouldn't they want to track it down?  They'd want to know who knows what and how much control they need to create over the situation.

Meanwhile, Iron Patriot goes on a hunt in Afghanistan and gets disabled by the glowy version of the Vulcan neck pinch, which is entirely unexplained throughout the film.

I wasn't thrilled with the lack of explanation, but I thought it was kind of okay that they didn't need to spoon-feed it to me, either.  Its use was pretty consistent, if not a little vague.

Plus, while the suit doesn't work at all, it does work enough later for Rhody to be ejected from the suit, and then somehow reactivated so that someone else entirely can also use the suit.

Rhody ejected himself.  That said, I believe it was stated that AIM did some sort of re-branding for the Iron Patriot.  It wouldn't be unreasonable to think they had some sort of override code.

Not to mention that every other Iron Man suit except for this can only be activated by only who Tony wants to wear it, so that the bad guy can conveniently hop in.

Just the ones that Tony had in his possession.  I doubt the Iron Man suits employed by the services could only be controlled by one guy, particularly a contractor.

Stuff happens, Tony is kidnapped, and his implants of awesomeness have a range of over 800 miles (if I wasn't already sucked out of my suspension of disbelief I might let that one pass).

Fine.  I can see where that's a problem.

Now the President is in danger, but it's okay Rhody phoned the Vice President (because he can't phone the President or his secretary, apparently),
Because the President was in danger to start with, and was told by one of the goons that the Vice President was involved.  The implication was that the Vice President would be targeted, and Tony and Rhody didn't make him as a traitor because they had no reason to.

but the Vice President doesn't warn him because HE'S A TRAITOR ::gasp:: because he has an amputee daughter, or something (if you ever need the vice president to be a secret agent, mole or traitor, really rethink your plot, because it's hare for me to along with that unless it's really compelling).

Yes, I actually kind of have a problem with the Vice President being a traitor just to support a single technology.  Seemed like a lot of motivation was missing there.

After that it's generic explosions which are fun and I enjoyed, but yeah, that plot kind of sucked hard.

I actually rather enjoyed this movie, aside from the lame "Pepper saves the day" moment at the end (I get it in context, but Gwyneth Paltrow is not equipped to be an action star).  In fact, I think my favorite "Comic Book" movie series is the Iron Man series.  I think for a lot of reasons, this is probably the best "third part" of any trilogy I've seen in the genre.
 
2013-05-12 05:56:13 PM  
(this reply post will be spoiler laden)

nmrsnr: Most of this stuff was just far too coincidental for a good plot. Happy just so happens to be taking in a movie where an illegal drug transaction is going down,


He was tailing Savin, James Badge Dale's character.

which just so happens to be about a drug that Guy Pierce just so happened to that very day be peddling to Gwenyth Paltrow,

That's why he was tailing him, he got a bad vibe from both of them (and to be fair, none of the movies did a really good job explaining that Happy is actually a very competent person.)

and that drug transaction just so happened to go wrong so that Happy is injured, which is just enough to incense Tony to seek vengeance. Then after he puts his facility on lockdown, he apparently is entirely defenseless (as is the US air force and NORAD) from stopping two black helicopters armed to the gills from blowing up his place.

Anything like this can be written off by "The Vice President let it happen." He was the high-level person letting lots of things slide and covering up Killian (Guy Pierce)'s activities.

When he wakes up in Tennessee he has a kid helper, fine, I don't like juvenile sidekicks, but whatever, he just so happens to meet the mother of the first experiment-gone-wrong as she is waiting to deliver crucial, sensitive information to one of the bad guys which has all the information Tony would ever need to crack the case, and literally hands it to him.

When the kid - and to call him a sidekick stretches it, he is a kid who is trying to get something out of a famous rich person - tells the story to him, he says that his wife is in the bar. Tony goes there to ask her some questions, and it happens to be where Guy Pierce's people are also looking for them. Convenient, yes, but it works.

How did she get that file?

It was her Husband's file.

Why did the bad guys want that file?

It exposed the whole thing.

Who knows, but Tony saw it and that's enough for the movie, because now we can have a fight with glowy hands! Meanwhile, Iron Patriot goes on a hunt in Afghanistan and gets disabled by the glowy version of the Vulcan neck pinch, which is entirely unexplained throughout the film.

Extreme temperatures can effect how Iron Armor works - they explained that in the first film with the Icing problem (it's not just flight, the extremes causes the suit to fail... we can also note this is probably why he blanks out in The Avengers when going through the wormhole.) This time it's extreme heat that causes the malfunctions.

Plus, while the suit doesn't work at all, it does work enough later for Rhody to be ejected from the suit, and then somehow reactivated so that someone else entirely can also use the suit.

It's motor control is malfunctioning. They make it clear the suit is not working, and Killian says that Savin could get it working again.

Not to mention that every other Iron Man suit except for this can only be activated by only who Tony wants to wear it, so that the bad guy can conveniently hop in. Stuff happens, Tony is kidnapped, and his implants of awesomeness have a range of over 800 miles (if I wasn't already sucked out of my suspension of disbelief I might let that one pass). Now the President is in danger, but it's okay becaus ...

We could hand-wave this as the Vice President again - remember War Machine is military hardware. He overwrites the code except for Rhodes' personal password (the one that he has to keep on changing due to Tony). Also the Implants are a short-range thing to give him control of the suit. and to align it when it was being put on (like the bracelets he wore at the end of THe Avengers to align the Mk. 3). The control was entirely J.A.R.V.I.S., an ability he's had since at least The Avengers.

Now the President is in danger, but it's okay because Rhody phoned the Vice President (because he can't phone the President or his secretary, apparently), but the Vice President doesn't warn him because HE'S A TRAITOR ::gasp:: because he has an amputee daughter, or something (if you ever need the vice president to be a secret agent, mole or traitor, really rethink your plot, because it's hare for me to along with that unless it's really compelling).

The President was on lockdown in Air Force One. Using the Iron Patriot armor Kilian struck and proceeded to kill people, cause a death trap to delay Tony then Kidnap the President. The goal being that if he kill him, then he'd control both the fake terrorist and the new president, and getting fat financial compensation due to military contracts (which Maya Hansen brings up).

Now you do make one plot hole apparent - the Secret Service wouldn't let the VP have christmas dinner at home during a crisis like this. A tiny bit of licence. The Amputee daughter is there to show he is being manipulated by Killian, same as he does the stage actor who plays the Mandarin, by playing on his weakness.

After that it's generic explosions which are fun and I enjoyed, but yeah, that plot kind of sucked hard.

Well you went to an action movie called "Iron Man 3", what did you expect, "My Dinner with Andre"?

/tell me more
 
2013-05-12 06:01:39 PM  

Six_By_Nine: Rhody ejected himself.  That said, I believe it was stated that AIM did some sort of re-branding for the Iron Patriot.  It wouldn't be unreasonable to think they had some sort of override code.


You are absolutely correct. And it's better then my version. Good ear.

(I believe they clarify this point while Tony is driving).
 
2013-05-12 06:56:51 PM  

Six_By_Nine: This, I had a problem with.  Just made no sense.


The helicopters were disguised as news choppers.
 
2013-05-12 07:02:06 PM  
Hey, Pepper is equipped to be an action star, as long as she has that sports bra. :P
 
2013-05-12 07:13:51 PM  

Alphax: Hey, Pepper is equipped to be an action star, as long as she has that sports bra. :P


The biggest plot-hole is why didn't that sports bra burn off when she fell into the fire?
 
2013-05-12 07:28:41 PM  
Why is Tyler Perry still allowed to make movies?
 
2013-05-12 07:33:37 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: Why is Tyler Perry still allowed to make movies?


As has been covered they all make a profit.
 
2013-05-12 07:33:52 PM  

Ishkur: Alphax: Hey, Pepper is equipped to be an action star, as long as she has that sports bra. :P

The biggest plot-hole is why didn't that sports bra burn off when she fell into the fire?


Obvious answer, to prevent an R rating.

Course, all of the Extremis infected people should have instantly burned their clothes to ashes. All of them.
 
2013-05-12 07:45:19 PM  
Course, if the bad guys had developed special high temperature clothes, they could have put some of them on Pepper, after they injected her.
 
2013-05-12 08:33:59 PM  

Esc7: bbfreak: I liked Iron Man 3, probably my favorite of the three films (note, I'm not saying its better than Iron Man 1 necessarily just that I enjoyed it more than the first two). Also, I saw Star Trek Into the Darkness yesterday in an advanced screening and have to say I enjoyed Iron Man 3 more.

Aw craps, I was hoping that would be knock your socks off great.


We saw it on Friday night (it opened last Wednesday here) and enjoyed it. My wife isn't a huge Trek fan, but it was her favorite movie so far this year.
 
2013-05-12 09:29:05 PM  
I'm tired of people screaming that Tony is so dumb because he told the Mandarin where he lived and then his house was blown up.  It didn't seem odd to me.  For one thing, his house is practically a landmark.  Anyone with any sort of resources could locate it.  Heck, i could probably find Bill Gates's house if i really tried.  Killian already knew where it was, it's not like he saw the news and said "aha!  I have the address at last!  Your hubris will be your downfall, Mr. Stark!"  It was a moment of grandstanding, and if the Mandarin was who he appeared to be -- a guy hiding out in the middle East -- not much would have come of it.  No one would think that a guy in Pakistan could strike you that night.  Tony was probably going to contact his allies, and get together with Rhodey the next morning and plan a US-backed mission to track down the Mandarin in the middle East... he just wasn't aware that his real enemy was someone who had a personal grudge against him, AND had local resources that could be activated in 2 hours or whatever.  These geeks screaming about this supposed massive blunder are dumb.

Tennessee, yeah!  Chattanooga and Ca$hville, wut!
 
2013-05-12 10:09:33 PM  

Marc L'Hommedieu: I'm tired of people screaming that Tony is so dumb because he told the Mandarin where he lived and then his house was blown up.  It didn't seem odd to me.  For one thing, his house is practically a landmark.  Anyone with any sort of resources could locate it.


Is it even a secret at all?  He farked a reporter there at the start of Iron Man and Pepper had a cab waiting for her outside the next morning.
 
2013-05-12 11:06:15 PM  
Nothin I love more than people who over analyze plot points in a freaking Super Hero movie.  Here's all I know :  saw it today with my 2 sons (13, 7) and wife.  they loved it,so did she.  I spent 2 hours watching something visually exciting, quick paced, with a lot of witty dialogue.

Gwyneth Paltrow is annoying as shiat, but still looks great.  Ben Kingsley was fabulous.  Is RDJ's "schtick" tired ?  Not to me - the guy flat out is the Tony Stark I imaginedwhile  reading comics as a kid ....his "schtick" is directly responsible for this fabulous Golden Age of comic movies, and without his character, Disney probaly wouldnt have made the massive paradigm shift in IP acquisition that led to their rescuing Star Wars from certain mediocrity.

He can schtick it up all he wants - I'm fine with it.
 
2013-05-12 11:20:24 PM  

Marc L'Hommedieu: I'm tired of people screaming that Tony is so dumb because he told the Mandarin where he lived and then his house was blown up.  It didn't seem odd to me.


I was thinking it also had something to do with his sleep deprivation.
 
2013-05-12 11:35:44 PM  
As far as the helicopters attacking the house goes, they were disguised as news copters and were camouflaged by all the other news copters in the area, which is why they didn't create any suspicion.

What WAS a stretch was that the Killian would have had the foresight to have performed complicated and time-consuming modifications to helicopters in anticipation of Happy following the dude from Rubicon and getting injured, causing Tony to make the public threat that brought the copters to his house. That's some crazy Joker-style pre-planning there, unless you just assume that Tony was already targeted for a similar revenge attack and Happy's accident just moved up the timetable.
 
2013-05-13 12:09:48 AM  

Alphax: Ishkur: Alphax: Hey, Pepper is equipped to be an action star, as long as she has that sports bra. :P

The biggest plot-hole is why didn't that sports bra burn off when she fell into the fire?

Obvious answer, to prevent an R rating.

Course, all of the Extremis infected people should have instantly burned their clothes to ashes. All of them.



It's a Marvel Universe. The clothes are made of "unstable molecules."  Even though they don't have a Reed Richards in this universe, someone else could have discovered that invention (AIM, for instance) and applied it where it was needed: On Extremis soldiers.

However, now I'm hoping there's an R-rated director's cut!
 
2013-05-13 12:22:36 AM  
Stuff for Marvel zombies to enjoy in Iron Man 3:

→ All the major plot points to Extremis were present, but jumbled around.*

→ The female Extremis soldier in Tennessee was Ellen Brandt, also known as Man-Thing's wife (who tried to kill him, which caused him to become Man-Thing.) She even had the scarred face which was inflicted by Man-Thing's corrosive touch. This means that Man-Thing probably exists on Earth 199999*. Could Howard the Duck be there, too? (Before you say "no", just think: We're getting Rocket Raccoon.)

→ Yinsen was, indeed, at the conference in Bern, just like he told Tony in that cave.

→ Space armor! A nod to possible involvement in Guardians of the Galaxy.

→ Remote control armors. Something Tony has been doing a lot in the comics, lately while he's off-planet with the Guardians of the Galaxy.

→ Fire-breath. Fans of the Extremis story will remember this is a primary Extremis soldier power, and it looked cool!


* This is a different universe- the Marvel Cinematic Universe (aka Universe 199999) and so naturally, things unfold differently than in Universe 616 (mainstream Marvel) or Universe 1619 (Ultimate Marvel).
 
2013-05-13 01:09:29 AM  
I have to ask again as the answer to this I get is always so varied, is the Mandarin essentially the Lex Luthor type of enemy? People who've been reading the comics since forever have both said that this movie shiats on the rivalry and that the character was always changing. Is it really the same as the Eddie brock/Venom treatment in spiderman 3?
 
2013-05-13 02:06:36 AM  

Urine The Money: Who's Tyler Perry?


Ask Aaron Mcgruder of "The Boondocks", LOL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47En_G2Mzf4
 
2013-05-13 10:36:59 AM  
Ironic.  The Great Gatsby shows America's Owners doing what they do best and where does the average american go: Iron Man 3

a Nation of idiot kids. even the 'adults' are kids now.

the Owners wouldn't have it any other way.
 
2013-05-13 10:38:27 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: "Unfaithful"? Have you even seen the film, Subby? I read the first 2/3rds of the book last week in preparation, and the film is nearly word-for-word. With visual flair, yes, but it's not "unfaithful" to the source material. I was surprised by how many scenes were exact representations of the book. I think Gatsby has become the film everyone who hasn't seen it loves to rip apart. I went into it with low expectations, and as someone who is not a big fan of Baz's previous films, and I was totally won over by it. Total spectacle.



and such a great theme for America now too.
 
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