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(Chron)   Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg says that while she supports Roe vs. Wade, she feels the ruling by her predecessors on the court was too sweeping and gave abortion opponents a symbol to target   (chron.com ) divider line
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2013-05-12 12:39:59 PM  

Fart_Machine: hardinparamedic: Yes, he was.

He wasn't inspected for 17 years.


Read the actual Grand Jury findings I linked. He used his connections with state and local inspectors to avoid being inspected by the medical boards that oversaw him.

Doom MD: Why are people against common-sense abortion control? No one is coming to take your abortions away. If these changes will save one life, just one life, then it will be worth it.


Stick to the ICU. I respect you more when you stay there.
 
2013-05-12 12:40:21 PM  
I'm curious as to how the pro-life movement views showering. No, really, hear me out..

They state that a zygote is a human life and everything, yet cleaning their own bodies they kill more advanced single-celled organisms on a genocidal scale. How do they sleep at night knowing they are worse than a million Hitlers?
 
2013-05-12 12:43:02 PM  

Alphax: Doom MD: Alphax: Doom MD: Why are people against common-sense abortion control? No one is coming to take your abortions away. If these changes will save one life, just one life, then it will be worth it.

They won't save a life.

Yes, I see what you did, and I rolled my eyes. More barriers to health care mean more dead women.

I wonder how many people on here are pro-choice but anti-gun. They're ok with abortions but god forbid someone have a firearm to protect themself. For the record I'm pro-choice and pro-2nd amendment.

I believe that if you own a gun, you are more likely to die a violent death, so I don't consider them defensive weapons.


Ever think that people who own guns may be at risk of dying a violent death, hence needing a firearm? Feel free to petition that police officers get rid of their guns, since they're not defensive tools, after all. Nevermind, it's better if the government just tell people what to do with their bodies.
 
2013-05-12 12:43:38 PM  

Doom MD: Why are people against common-sense abortion control? No one is coming to take your abortions away. If these changes will save one life, just one life, then it will be worth it.


Those changes won't save a life, they'll just make mine more miserable, as I'd still seek an abortion. Only now it won't be safe. Now, I'll be risking major infections if my birth control should fail. That's not a life saved.

That's you getting your squishy, feel-good emotions by ruining somebody else's life.
 
2013-05-12 12:44:09 PM  

Epoch_Zero: I'm curious as to how the pro-life movement views showering. No, really, hear me out..

They state that a zygote is a human life and everything, yet cleaning their own bodies they kill more advanced single-celled organisms on a genocidal scale. How do they sleep at night knowing they are worse than a million Hitlers?


Where'd you learn that skin cells can reproduce on their own into a whole new being?
 
2013-05-12 12:45:18 PM  

Epoch_Zero: I'm curious as to how the pro-life movement views showering. No, really, hear me out..

They state that a zygote is a human life and everything, yet cleaning their own bodies they kill more advanced single-celled organisms on a genocidal scale. How do they sleep at night knowing they are worse than a million Hitlers?


Only people have souls, so even when they throw bags of kittens in a river, they don't feel guilty.
 
2013-05-12 12:45:19 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: What's missing from these scholarly arguments ?
I feel we have overlooked something .

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//2001 Starchild so as not to upset the delicate.


When a fetus can stand on its own two feet and offer an opinion in its own words, I'll give it consideration.  Until then, it's just a part of my body to do with as I will.  Deal with it.
 
2013-05-12 12:46:55 PM  

Delawheredad: Hardinparamedic

  And as the Gosnell trial so deftly demonstrates in some ways things have not changed one iota. The man is a butcher now and would have been a butcher then. He's completely legal, was state inspected and yet is the very thing that Rowe was SUPPOSED to do away with!

 Abortion is a nasty procedure no matter where you stand on the issue of its legality.


No matter where you stand on the issue, somebody who wants an abortion will seek it regardless of its safety and legality. You don't care to protect those lives?
 
2013-05-12 12:46:55 PM  

Doom MD: Alphax: Doom MD: Alphax: Doom MD: Why are people against common-sense abortion control? No one is coming to take your abortions away. If these changes will save one life, just one life, then it will be worth it.

They won't save a life.

Yes, I see what you did, and I rolled my eyes. More barriers to health care mean more dead women.

I wonder how many people on here are pro-choice but anti-gun. They're ok with abortions but god forbid someone have a firearm to protect themself. For the record I'm pro-choice and pro-2nd amendment.

I believe that if you own a gun, you are more likely to die a violent death, so I don't consider them defensive weapons.

Ever think that people who own guns may be at risk of dying a violent death, hence needing a firearm? Feel free to petition that police officers get rid of their guns, since they're not defensive tools, after all. Nevermind, it's better if the government just tell people what to do with their bodies.


No.
 
2013-05-12 12:48:13 PM  

hardinparamedic: Mrtraveler01: Yes, but that won't stop the pro-life folks from twisting the truth to suit their agenda.

They're trying to use Gosnell the same way the gun control lobby used Sandy Hook.

And the Pro-life folks still can't see the irony in it.

Can we please stop calling them pro-life. They're not. They're anti-choice. They're as much pro-life as I am pro-rape.


It's not even so much anti-choice as it is anti-woman. They specifically do not want women to have a say in the matter.
 
2013-05-12 12:48:27 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Doom MD: Why are people against common-sense abortion control? No one is coming to take your abortions away. If these changes will save one life, just one life, then it will be worth it.

Those changes won't save a life, they'll just make mine more miserable, as I'd still seek an abortion. Only now it won't be safe. Now, I'll be risking major infections if my birth control should fail. That's not a life saved.

That's you getting your squishy, feel-good emotions by ruining somebody else's life.


Why won't you compromise on abortion control? You abortion nuts get so uptight whenever anyone suggests a tightening of regulations. There have been 53 million abortions in the USA since 1973. No one is coming for your coat hangers.
 
2013-05-12 12:48:51 PM  

Mrbogey: Epoch_Zero: I'm curious as to how the pro-life movement views showering. No, really, hear me out..

They state that a zygote is a human life and everything, yet cleaning their own bodies they kill more advanced single-celled organisms on a genocidal scale. How do they sleep at night knowing they are worse than a million Hitlers?

Where'd you learn that skin cells can reproduce on their own into a whole new being?


What is an amoeba, Alex?
 
2013-05-12 12:49:30 PM  

Alphax: Doom MD: Alphax: Doom MD: Alphax: Doom MD: Why are people against common-sense abortion control? No one is coming to take your abortions away. If these changes will save one life, just one life, then it will be worth it.

They won't save a life.

Yes, I see what you did, and I rolled my eyes. More barriers to health care mean more dead women.

I wonder how many people on here are pro-choice but anti-gun. They're ok with abortions but god forbid someone have a firearm to protect themself. For the record I'm pro-choice and pro-2nd amendment.

I believe that if you own a gun, you are more likely to die a violent death, so I don't consider them defensive weapons.

Ever think that people who own guns may be at risk of dying a violent death, hence needing a firearm? Feel free to petition that police officers get rid of their guns, since they're not defensive tools, after all. Nevermind, it's better if the government just tell people what to do with their bodies.

No.


Awesome reply, bro
 
2013-05-12 12:50:52 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: You can't say "Yeah this fetus has a bit of human life, but not enough to outweigh the rights of the mother over her own body, so she can kill it if she wants."


Actually... you can. So long as the fetus depends upon the mother for survival, it is a part of the mother's body to do with as she desires. It could be as alive as the day is long, and yet it's potential for life would still not be greater than the mother's current right to her own life.
 
2013-05-12 12:51:03 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Delawheredad: Hardinparamedic

  And as the Gosnell trial so deftly demonstrates in some ways things have not changed one iota. The man is a butcher now and would have been a butcher then. He's completely legal, was state inspected and yet is the very thing that Rowe was SUPPOSED to do away with!

 Abortion is a nasty procedure no matter where you stand on the issue of its legality.

No matter where you stand on the issue, somebody who wants an abortion will seek it regardless of its safety and legality. You don't care to protect those lives?

We need to ban 3d printers. Someone could print out coat hangers and have an abortion.
 
2013-05-12 12:52:53 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Doom MD: Alphax: Doom MD: Why are people against common-sense abortion control? No one is coming to take your abortions away. If these changes will save one life, just one life, then it will be worth it.

They won't save a life.

Yes, I see what you did, and I rolled my eyes. More barriers to health care mean more dead women.

I wonder how many people on here are pro-choice but anti-gun. They're ok with abortions but god forbid someone have a firearm to protect themself. For the record I'm pro-choice and pro-2nd amendment.

I believe that you have the right to have a gun to defend yourself.

I don't believe that means that you have the right to any gun your little heart wants without any questions asked.


I believe you have the right to defend yourself.  I also believe that when it is not your life, but rather your stuff in danger, then you have an obligation to just let it go man, because it's gone.
 
2013-05-12 12:55:37 PM  

Doom MD: The My Little Pony Killer: Doom MD: Why are people against common-sense abortion control? No one is coming to take your abortions away. If these changes will save one life, just one life, then it will be worth it.

Those changes won't save a life, they'll just make mine more miserable, as I'd still seek an abortion. Only now it won't be safe. Now, I'll be risking major infections if my birth control should fail. That's not a life saved.

That's you getting your squishy, feel-good emotions by ruining somebody else's life.

Why won't you compromise on abortion control? You abortion nuts get so uptight whenever anyone suggests a tightening of regulations. There have been 53 million abortions in the USA since 1973. No one is coming for your coat hangers.


Because your way of "compromising" involves putting my life in even greater danger than it would have been had you simply just allowed me to abort, safely and in a hospital. Why can't you just accept that adult women are going to live their lives the way they choose?

Why can't your compromise be more extensive birth control options/discussion of said options in sex ed classes?  Why does it have to be taking away my very last resort for not being a mother?
 
2013-05-12 12:57:09 PM  

Doom MD: The My Little Pony Killer: Delawheredad: Hardinparamedic

  And as the Gosnell trial so deftly demonstrates in some ways things have not changed one iota. The man is a butcher now and would have been a butcher then. He's completely legal, was state inspected and yet is the very thing that Rowe was SUPPOSED to do away with!

 Abortion is a nasty procedure no matter where you stand on the issue of its legality.

No matter where you stand on the issue, somebody who wants an abortion will seek it regardless of its safety and legality. You don't care to protect those lives?
We need to ban 3d printers. Someone could print out coat hangers and have an abortion.


I wish I could print out a fist to punch you in the face with. NOBODY USES COAT HANGER FOR ABORTIONS.   Not legal, safe ones, that is.

What you are arguing for is MORE back-alley abortions, more dead women, ACTUAL current lives ending because you can't just give up on that whole counting your eggs before they hatch thing.

The potential for life does not trump a current life.  Period.
 
2013-05-12 12:57:20 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: What's missing from these scholarly arguments ?
I feel we have overlooked something .

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//2001 Starchild so as not to upset the delicate.

When a fetus can stand on its own two feet and offer an opinion in its own words, I'll give it consideration.  Until then, it's just a part of my body to do with as I will.  Deal with it.


Keep that crazy biatch away from me.
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2013-05-12 12:57:24 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Mrtraveler01: Doom MD: Alphax: Doom MD: Why are people against common-sense abortion control? No one is coming to take your abortions away. If these changes will save one life, just one life, then it will be worth it.

They won't save a life.

Yes, I see what you did, and I rolled my eyes. More barriers to health care mean more dead women.

I wonder how many people on here are pro-choice but anti-gun. They're ok with abortions but god forbid someone have a firearm to protect themself. For the record I'm pro-choice and pro-2nd amendment.

I believe that you have the right to have a gun to defend yourself.

I don't believe that means that you have the right to any gun your little heart wants without any questions asked.

I believe you have the right to defend yourself.  I also believe that when it is not your life, but rather your stuff in danger, then you have an obligation to just let it go man, because it's gone.


When can you tell that your stuff is in danger vs your life is in danger?
 
2013-05-12 12:57:50 PM  

Doom MD: We need to ban 3d printers. Someone could print out coat hangers and have an abortion.


You are trying way too hard.

You're like the Michael Scott of Fark.
 
2013-05-12 12:58:36 PM  

Doom MD: The My Little Pony Killer: Mrtraveler01: Doom MD: Alphax: Doom MD: Why are people against common-sense abortion control? No one is coming to take your abortions away. If these changes will save one life, just one life, then it will be worth it.

They won't save a life.

Yes, I see what you did, and I rolled my eyes. More barriers to health care mean more dead women.

I wonder how many people on here are pro-choice but anti-gun. They're ok with abortions but god forbid someone have a firearm to protect themself. For the record I'm pro-choice and pro-2nd amendment.

I believe that you have the right to have a gun to defend yourself.

I don't believe that means that you have the right to any gun your little heart wants without any questions asked.

I believe you have the right to defend yourself.  I also believe that when it is not your life, but rather your stuff in danger, then you have an obligation to just let it go man, because it's gone.

When can you tell that your stuff is in danger vs your life is in danger?


You can't tell when you are being physically harmed vs. when somebody is just touching your stuff?
 
2013-05-12 12:58:39 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Doom MD: The My Little Pony Killer: Doom MD: Why are people against common-sense abortion control? No one is coming to take your abortions away. If these changes will save one life, just one life, then it will be worth it.

Those changes won't save a life, they'll just make mine more miserable, as I'd still seek an abortion. Only now it won't be safe. Now, I'll be risking major infections if my birth control should fail. That's not a life saved.

That's you getting your squishy, feel-good emotions by ruining somebody else's life.

Why won't you compromise on abortion control? You abortion nuts get so uptight whenever anyone suggests a tightening of regulations. There have been 53 million abortions in the USA since 1973. No one is coming for your coat hangers.

Because your way of "compromising" involves putting my life in even greater danger than it would have been had you simply just allowed me to abort, safely and in a hospital. Why can't you just accept that adult women are going to live their lives the way they choose?

Why can't your compromise be more extensive birth control options/discussion of said options in sex ed classes?  Why does it have to be taking away my very last resort for not being a mother?


Thank you, you've encapsulated the argument for the 2nd amendment. I agree women have a right to choose what to do with their bodies.
 
2013-05-12 12:59:28 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Doom MD: The My Little Pony Killer: Mrtraveler01: Doom MD: Alphax: Doom MD: Why are people against common-sense abortion control? No one is coming to take your abortions away. If these changes will save one life, just one life, then it will be worth it.

They won't save a life.

Yes, I see what you did, and I rolled my eyes. More barriers to health care mean more dead women.

I wonder how many people on here are pro-choice but anti-gun. They're ok with abortions but god forbid someone have a firearm to protect themself. For the record I'm pro-choice and pro-2nd amendment.

I believe that you have the right to have a gun to defend yourself.

I don't believe that means that you have the right to any gun your little heart wants without any questions asked.

I believe you have the right to defend yourself.  I also believe that when it is not your life, but rather your stuff in danger, then you have an obligation to just let it go man, because it's gone.

When can you tell that your stuff is in danger vs your life is in danger?

You can't tell when you are being physically harmed vs. when somebody is just touching your stuff?


Never been mugged at gunpoint?
 
2013-05-12 01:00:03 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Mrbogey: Epoch_Zero: I'm curious as to how the pro-life movement views showering. No, really, hear me out..

They state that a zygote is a human life and everything, yet cleaning their own bodies they kill more advanced single-celled organisms on a genocidal scale. How do they sleep at night knowing they are worse than a million Hitlers?

Where'd you learn that skin cells can reproduce on their own into a whole new being?

What is an amoeba, Alex?


Human cells.. amoebas... same thing. Amirite?

You made a bad argument. You don't have to defend it to the death.
 
2013-05-12 01:01:34 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Doom MD: The My Little Pony Killer: Mrtraveler01: Doom MD: Alphax: Doom MD: Why are people against common-sense abortion control? No one is coming to take your abortions away. If these changes will save one life, just one life, then it will be worth it.

They won't save a life.

Yes, I see what you did, and I rolled my eyes. More barriers to health care mean more dead women.

I wonder how many people on here are pro-choice but anti-gun. They're ok with abortions but god forbid someone have a firearm to protect themself. For the record I'm pro-choice and pro-2nd amendment.

I believe that you have the right to have a gun to defend yourself.

I don't believe that means that you have the right to any gun your little heart wants without any questions asked.

I believe you have the right to defend yourself.  I also believe that when it is not your life, but rather your stuff in danger, then you have an obligation to just let it go man, because it's gone.

When can you tell that your stuff is in danger vs your life is in danger?

You can't tell when you are being physically harmed vs. when somebody is just touching your stuff?


Why do you even bother with Doom? He just wants to make a point about the second amendment. Like most "constitutionalists" they are incredibly lazy, can't actually debate a topic on it's own merits, and can seem to fathom that issues can be different and should be approached differently.
 
2013-05-12 01:01:59 PM  

Mrbogey: Epoch_Zero: Mrbogey: Epoch_Zero: I'm curious as to how the pro-life movement views showering. No, really, hear me out..

They state that a zygote is a human life and everything, yet cleaning their own bodies they kill more advanced single-celled organisms on a genocidal scale. How do they sleep at night knowing they are worse than a million Hitlers?

Where'd you learn that skin cells can reproduce on their own into a whole new being?

What is an amoeba, Alex?

Human cells.. amoebas... same thing. Amirite?

You made a bad argument. You don't have to defend it to the death.


Because bacteria and all sorts of non-human single-celled organisms totally don't occupy the same space as human cells, ever.
 
2013-05-12 01:02:49 PM  

Bane of Broone: The My Little Pony Killer: Doom MD: The My Little Pony Killer: Mrtraveler01: Doom MD: Alphax: Doom MD: Why are people against common-sense abortion control? No one is coming to take your abortions away. If these changes will save one life, just one life, then it will be worth it.

They won't save a life.

Yes, I see what you did, and I rolled my eyes. More barriers to health care mean more dead women.

I wonder how many people on here are pro-choice but anti-gun. They're ok with abortions but god forbid someone have a firearm to protect themself. For the record I'm pro-choice and pro-2nd amendment.

I believe that you have the right to have a gun to defend yourself.

I don't believe that means that you have the right to any gun your little heart wants without any questions asked.

I believe you have the right to defend yourself.  I also believe that when it is not your life, but rather your stuff in danger, then you have an obligation to just let it go man, because it's gone.

When can you tell that your stuff is in danger vs your life is in danger?

You can't tell when you are being physically harmed vs. when somebody is just touching your stuff?

Why do you even bother with Doom? He just wants to make a point about the second amendment. Like most "constitutionalists" they are incredibly lazy, can't actually debate a topic on it's own merits, and can seem to fathom that issues can be different and should be approached differently.


*can't seem to fathom
 
2013-05-12 01:03:01 PM  

Bane of Broone: The My Little Pony Killer: Doom MD: The My Little Pony Killer: Mrtraveler01: Doom MD: Alphax: Doom MD: Why are people against common-sense abortion control? No one is coming to take your abortions away. If these changes will save one life, just one life, then it will be worth it.

They won't save a life.

Yes, I see what you did, and I rolled my eyes. More barriers to health care mean more dead women.

I wonder how many people on here are pro-choice but anti-gun. They're ok with abortions but god forbid someone have a firearm to protect themself. For the record I'm pro-choice and pro-2nd amendment.

I believe that you have the right to have a gun to defend yourself.

I don't believe that means that you have the right to any gun your little heart wants without any questions asked.

I believe you have the right to defend yourself.  I also believe that when it is not your life, but rather your stuff in danger, then you have an obligation to just let it go man, because it's gone.

When can you tell that your stuff is in danger vs your life is in danger?

You can't tell when you are being physically harmed vs. when somebody is just touching your stuff?

Why do you even bother with Doom? He just wants to make a point about the second amendment. Like most "constitutionalists" they are incredibly lazy, can't actually debate a topic on it's own merits, and can seem to fathom that issues can be different and should be approached differently.


God forbid someone demand logical and philosophical consistency.
 
2013-05-12 01:04:06 PM  

Alphax: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: What's missing from these scholarly arguments ?
I feel we have overlooked something 
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//2001 Starchild so as not to upset the delicate.

Irrelevant. It's just a bad excuse to control women for the harvest to be late.

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// All lives are relevant.
 
2013-05-12 01:05:22 PM  

Emposter: The idiot rightwingtard hordes looked at Roe v. Wade, ignored it, and went right back to doing everything in their power to outlaw the right to choose in the name of their imaginary sky fairy and half-witted delusions of how they believe medical science to work.


Oh geesh, not this off topic "sky fairy" horseshiat again. We get it, some of you hate religion, you put that knee jerk hate in every thread. However the real deal is the GOP was more interested in stuffing it's pockets and creating a historic deficit while waging a nice profitable proxy war. The GOP had Congress AND the White House from 2000 thru 2006 and did NOTHING about abortion. Now save your anti-faith bias for when it's on topic. The GOP won't do anything about abortion because it affects rich doctors and medical establishment's profit the end.
Don't confuse right wing Mammon worship for Christianity, it is a too common error.
 
2013-05-12 01:06:44 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Alphax: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: What's missing from these scholarly arguments ?
I feel we have overlooked something 

//2001 Starchild so as not to upset the delicate.

Irrelevant. It's just a bad excuse to control women for the harvest to be late.


// All lives are relevant.


Dafuq?
 
2013-05-12 01:12:39 PM  

Kurmudgeon: Emposter: The idiot rightwingtard hordes looked at Roe v. Wade, ignored it, and went right back to doing everything in their power to outlaw the right to choose in the name of their imaginary sky fairy and half-witted delusions of how they believe medical science to work.

Oh geesh, not this off topic "sky fairy" horseshiat again. We get it, some of you hate religion, you put that knee jerk hate in every thread. However the real deal is the GOP was more interested in stuffing it's pockets and creating a historic deficit while waging a nice profitable proxy war. The GOP had Congress AND the White House from 2000 thru 2006 and did NOTHING about abortion. Now save your anti-faith bias for when it's on topic. The GOP won't do anything about abortion because it affects rich doctors and medical establishment's profit the end.
Don't confuse right wing Mammon worship for Christianity, it is a too common error.


It's different, higher forms of morons driving the GOP now. Right now, they are VERY aggressively pushing anti-abortion restrictions at the state level, in every state where they now have unrestricted control.
 
2013-05-12 01:16:26 PM  

Alphax: Kurmudgeon: Emposter: The idiot rightwingtard hordes looked at Roe v. Wade, ignored it, and went right back to doing everything in their power to outlaw the right to choose in the name of their imaginary sky fairy and half-witted delusions of how they believe medical science to work.

Oh geesh, not this off topic "sky fairy" horseshiat again. We get it, some of you hate religion, you put that knee jerk hate in every thread. However the real deal is the GOP was more interested in stuffing it's pockets and creating a historic deficit while waging a nice profitable proxy war. The GOP had Congress AND the White House from 2000 thru 2006 and did NOTHING about abortion. Now save your anti-faith bias for when it's on topic. The GOP won't do anything about abortion because it affects rich doctors and medical establishment's profit the end.
Don't confuse right wing Mammon worship for Christianity, it is a too common error.

It's different, higher forms of morons driving the GOP now. Right now, they are VERY aggressively pushing anti-abortion restrictions at the state level, in every state where they now have unrestricted control.


It sucks when the other side is acting like authoritarian pricks, doesn't it?
 
2013-05-12 01:17:48 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Mrbogey: Epoch_Zero: Mrbogey: Epoch_Zero: I'm curious as to how the pro-life movement views showering. No, really, hear me out..

They state that a zygote is a human life and everything, yet cleaning their own bodies they kill more advanced single-celled organisms on a genocidal scale. How do they sleep at night knowing they are worse than a million Hitlers?

Where'd you learn that skin cells can reproduce on their own into a whole new being?

What is an amoeba, Alex?

Human cells.. amoebas... same thing. Amirite?

You made a bad argument. You don't have to defend it to the death.

Because bacteria and all sorts of non-human single-celled organisms totally don't occupy the same space as human cells, ever.


You've convinced me. Some humans are apparently as intelligent as amoebas.
 
2013-05-12 01:18:42 PM  

Doom MD: Alphax: Kurmudgeon: Emposter: The idiot rightwingtard hordes looked at Roe v. Wade, ignored it, and went right back to doing everything in their power to outlaw the right to choose in the name of their imaginary sky fairy and half-witted delusions of how they believe medical science to work.

Oh geesh, not this off topic "sky fairy" horseshiat again. We get it, some of you hate religion, you put that knee jerk hate in every thread. However the real deal is the GOP was more interested in stuffing it's pockets and creating a historic deficit while waging a nice profitable proxy war. The GOP had Congress AND the White House from 2000 thru 2006 and did NOTHING about abortion. Now save your anti-faith bias for when it's on topic. The GOP won't do anything about abortion because it affects rich doctors and medical establishment's profit the end.
Don't confuse right wing Mammon worship for Christianity, it is a too common error.

It's different, higher forms of morons driving the GOP now. Right now, they are VERY aggressively pushing anti-abortion restrictions at the state level, in every state where they now have unrestricted control.

It sucks when the other side is acting like authoritarian pricks, doesn't it?


I'd ask you what that even means, but it doesn't seem to be worthwhile. You're in full troll mode.
 
2013-05-12 01:31:47 PM  

Alphax: Doom MD: Alphax: Kurmudgeon: Emposter: The idiot rightwingtard hordes looked at Roe v. Wade, ignored it, and went right back to doing everything in their power to outlaw the right to choose in the name of their imaginary sky fairy and half-witted delusions of how they believe medical science to work.

Oh geesh, not this off topic "sky fairy" horseshiat again. We get it, some of you hate religion, you put that knee jerk hate in every thread. However the real deal is the GOP was more interested in stuffing it's pockets and creating a historic deficit while waging a nice profitable proxy war. The GOP had Congress AND the White House from 2000 thru 2006 and did NOTHING about abortion. Now save your anti-faith bias for when it's on topic. The GOP won't do anything about abortion because it affects rich doctors and medical establishment's profit the end.
Don't confuse right wing Mammon worship for Christianity, it is a too common error.

It's different, higher forms of morons driving the GOP now. Right now, they are VERY aggressively pushing anti-abortion restrictions at the state level, in every state where they now have unrestricted control.

It sucks when the other side is acting like authoritarian pricks, doesn't it?

I'd ask you what that even means, but it doesn't seem to be worthwhile. You're in full troll mode.


The cognitive dissonance in here is quite telling
 
2013-05-12 01:32:51 PM  

dickfreckle: I think it's unfair that people equate being pro-choice with the idea that we're all going out to the abortoplex to have some fun on a Saturday night. They even have a concession stand!


There won't be? Damnit, guess I am back to pro-life

Kidding, I would never be pro-life
 
2013-05-12 01:33:47 PM  

Zeno-25: [i.imgur.com image 575x1330]


Wow, that's really crap.
 
2013-05-12 01:34:06 PM  
Bullshiat. They would target it just the same. Look at their rhetoric: "life begins at conception." Do you think someone with a belief like that would say "oh well, it's murder by my logic but there are a few restrictions, therefore it's okay."

No. They're nuts. You're giving them too much credit.
 
2013-05-12 01:35:01 PM  

hardinparamedic: Tyrone Slothrop: Maybe we should allow slavery in certain circumstances, to pacify people who miss the old south.

Technically, we  DO.

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As long as it's consensual.


We also allow it for prisoners.

Seriously, read the 13th: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
 
2013-05-12 01:55:40 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: You can't say "Yeah this fetus has a bit of human life, but not enough to outweigh the rights of the mother over her own body, so she can kill it if she wants."

Actually... you can. So long as the fetus depends upon the mother for survival, it is a part of the mother's body to do with as she desires. It could be as alive as the day is long, and yet it's potential for life would still not be greater than the mother's current right to her own life.


By that logic, every time a medical breakthrough happens to increase the viability of premature babies, the line on where an abortion should be acceptable gets moved backwards. As we move towards a future where we have bag babies that can be grown term outside of the mother, abortion will become unacceptable in all situations, so long as the criteria is dependence on the mother for survival.
 
2013-05-12 02:01:48 PM  

Milo Minderbinder: in effect, conservative intransigence was CREATED by the decision.


There are conservatives, living today, who build their entire worldview around being pissed the federal government says they can no longer own slaves.  Conservative intransigence was no more created by RvW than nuclear bombs were created by magic pixies.  If we rewound everything back to the point we were paleolithic hunter-gatherers, the conservatives would be biatching about the liberal horro that is the opposable thumb.  America-hating, Satan-worshiping dogfarkers are going to be America-hating, Satan-worshiping dogfarkers because they are America-hating, Satan-worshiping dogfarkers, not because of RvW
 
2013-05-12 02:03:20 PM  

Doom MD: God forbid someone demand logical and philosophical consistency.


You don't see any people in here equating drug laws with abortion restrictions. You don't see anybody pestering the people in this thread with things like "How come abortion is legal but gay marriage isn't?"

You're not demanding "logical and philosophical consistency", you're just threadjacking; you're annoying everyone else here and making yourself look very stupid in the process. Stop it.
 
2013-05-12 02:12:40 PM  

hardinparamedic: Fart_Machine: hardinparamedic: Yes, he was.

He wasn't inspected for 17 years.

Read the actual Grand Jury findings I linked. He used his connections with state and local inspectors to avoid being inspected by the medical boards that oversaw him.

Doom MD: Why are people against common-sense abortion control? No one is coming to take your abortions away. If these changes will save one life, just one life, then it will be worth it.

Stick to the ICU. I respect you more when you stay there.


So he wasn't inspected then. I'm not sure where we disagree here.
 
2013-05-12 02:14:09 PM  

Biological Ali: Doom MD: God forbid someone demand logical and philosophical consistency.

You don't see any people in here equating drug laws with abortion restrictions. You don't see anybody pestering the people in this thread with things like "How come abortion is legal but gay marriage isn't?"

You're not demanding "logical and philosophical consistency", you're just threadjacking; you're annoying everyone else here and making yourself look very stupid in the process. Stop it.


Not to mention, hurting his cause.

If gun rights advocates would stop acting like a bunch of douchebags, then maybe we could have a serious discussion on issues like that one as well as abortion.

And yes...gun control advocates can be just as bad as the gun rights folks at times as well.
 
2013-05-12 02:18:28 PM  

Biological Ali: Doom MD: God forbid someone demand logical and philosophical consistency.

You don't see any people in here equating drug laws with abortion restrictions. You don't see anybody pestering the people in this thread with things like "How come abortion is legal but gay marriage isn't?"

You're not demanding "logical and philosophical consistency", you're just threadjacking; you're annoying everyone else here and making yourself look very stupid in the process. Stop it.


Oh, come now, how often do people make fun of "pro-life" people for being pro-death-penalty? Either attacking a moniker for inconsistencies across issues is fair game or it isn't.
 
2013-05-12 02:24:09 PM  

vygramul: Oh, come now, how often do people make fun of "pro-life" people for being pro-death-penalty? Either attacking a moniker for inconsistencies across issues is fair game or it isn't.


They're not attacking the "moniker" - pro-life people actually do make the claim that "life", in a generic sense, is sacred. You can be satisfied with their rationalizations for believing that while supporting the death penalty, perhaps, but it's nothing remotely like "Why come you want abortions to be legal but not guns?"
 
2013-05-12 02:26:19 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Biological Ali: Doom MD: God forbid someone demand logical and philosophical consistency.

You don't see any people in here equating drug laws with abortion restrictions. You don't see anybody pestering the people in this thread with things like "How come abortion is legal but gay marriage isn't?"

You're not demanding "logical and philosophical consistency", you're just threadjacking; you're annoying everyone else here and making yourself look very stupid in the process. Stop it.

Not to mention, hurting his cause.

If gun rights advocates would stop acting like a bunch of douchebags, then maybe we could have a serious discussion on issues like that one as well as abortion.

And yes...gun control advocates can be just as bad as the gun rights folks at times as well.


My cause are people who allow the government to shiat all over them because they won't unify against successfive infringements on their rights. People are fine with getting fingerbanged at the airport/listened to on their phone calls since they "have nothing to hide". People are ok taking away a woman's right to choose because they're not women. People are ok crapping on gun rights because they personally don't own any. People are ok with prolonged wars abroad that are bankrupting us because brown people. People are ok with the government giving welfare to corporations that have shown a complete lack of ethics or long-term business acumen because both sides of the aisle came to a foregone conclusion this was "the thing to do". People are ok with infringements on their rights when it's being done by "their guy". Yeah, go ahead and hand-wring around your cafeteria selection of rights that you give a shiat about. Hang together or hang seperately. Your choice.
 
2013-05-12 02:30:58 PM  

Biological Ali: vygramul: Oh, come now, how often do people make fun of "pro-life" people for being pro-death-penalty? Either attacking a moniker for inconsistencies across issues is fair game or it isn't.

They're not attacking the "moniker" - pro-life people actually do make the claim that "life", in a generic sense, is sacred. You can be satisfied with their rationalizations for believing that while supporting the death penalty, perhaps, but it's nothing remotely like "Why come you want abortions to be legal but not guns?"


You don't find it inconsistent that some people are more comfortable with allowing people to terminate unborn children rather than use a firearm to kill someone trying to do them or their family active harm?
 
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