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(Slate)   Oldies acts like Def Leppard are re-recording back catalogs in order to earn higher royalty checks, chase film and TV music buyers who can't afford the original tracks. Unfortunately, Spotify and iTunes users are stuck with the replicas   (slate.com) divider line 55
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2013-05-12 12:04:20 AM
If Def Leppard's drummer lost his other arm, they would still prop him up in front of an audience with a drum machine as if he's some great artist.
 
2013-05-12 12:10:00 AM
I'm hot, sticky sweet. From my head to my feet, yeah.

Listen! red light, yellow light, green-a-light go!
 
2013-05-12 01:19:58 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-12 03:11:38 AM
what has nine arms and sucks?
 
2013-05-12 03:29:45 AM
This explains the mysteriously-off version of Jinglebell Rock I encountered on Spotify a while back. Thought my memory was playing tricks on me.
 
2013-05-12 03:38:35 AM

jjorsett: This explains the mysteriously-off version of Jinglebell Rock I encountered on Spotify a while back. Thought my memory was playing tricks on me.


This is an example of how all technology eventually leads to mass schizophrenia i.e. bluetooth earpieces & twitter et cetera
 
2013-05-12 03:54:14 AM
I heard a couple of the Def Leppard songs. They didn't sound bad for a bunch of old men. On the one hand, I'm all for artists getting paid and the record industry dying, but at the same time, why would anybody buy a song from Hysteria now? They must think there's a market for it but its been 25 years.
 
2013-05-12 03:55:45 AM

LDM90: I heard a couple of the Def Leppard songs. They didn't sound bad for a bunch of old men. On the one hand, I'm all for artists getting paid and the record industry dying, but at the same time, why would anybody buy a song from Hysteria now? They must think there's a market for it but its been 25 years.


The really young hipsters?
 
2013-05-12 04:04:53 AM
Gang of Four did it.  But they deserved it, not suck-ass hair metal bands that should have enough money already.
 
2013-05-12 04:24:38 AM
After listening to the sample of Rock of Ages on Amazon., I think I'll stick with the original.

It's not bad, but it just doesn't sound right. Pyromania was a huge album in my childhood and it'll always have a place on my iPod. While I understand why they did it, it just seems weird to me.
 
2013-05-12 04:27:30 AM
OLDIES? Hah! I don't think you know what you're talking about, subby.

I was listening to these guys as a high school student. That wasn't that long ago...

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2013-05-12 05:33:02 AM
Don't worry I am sure in a few years the artists will release the original recordings in a 5+ disk anthology that will cost over 60$ to buy.
 
2013-05-12 06:01:02 AM

derpy: what has nine arms and sucks?


Your mom
 
2013-05-12 06:04:44 AM

LDM90: I heard a couple of the Def Leppard songs. They didn't sound bad for a bunch of old men. On the one hand, I'm all for artists getting paid and the record industry dying, but at the same time, why would anybody buy a song from Hysteria now? They must think there's a market for it but its been 25 years.


Guilty.  Bought the CD a year or so ago after seeing them in concert.  They were really good live.  Them and the Scorpions are two old school bands that have impressed me a lot with their current live shows.
 
2013-05-12 06:25:52 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: If Def Leppard's drummer lost his other arm, they would still prop him up in front of an audience with a drum machine as if he's some great artist.


My TR-70 once fell on my head. We divorced 5 years later
 
2013-05-12 06:28:07 AM
I saw the singer of Everclear had reformed with a bunch of new people and re-recorded some of their old hits.  Was wondering why anyone would redo their own songs, but I guess this makes sense.
 
2013-05-12 06:54:36 AM
Meh. Artists have been doing this since the late 60s. You know those $5 double CDs "Original Artists"? Rerecorded at a later date, and usually, not very well. One I remember had a Four Tops recording from 1982.
 
2013-05-12 07:21:32 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: If Def Leppard's drummer lost his other arm, they would still prop him up in front of an audience with a drum machine as if he's some great artist.


Keep on sluggin away in that garage, envy-boy.

/Def Leppard is a great hard rock party band if you catch em before Hysteria (i'm throwing pyromania in there too, cause its a good album)
 
2013-05-12 07:57:50 AM

LDM90: I heard a couple of the Def Leppard songs. They didn't sound bad for a bunch of old men. On the one hand, I'm all for artists getting paid and the record industry dying, but at the same time, why would anybody buy a song from Hysteria now? They must think there's a market for it but its been 25 years.


you're right, the artists deserve to get paid. meanwhile (for example) a popular recording like Elton John's Good Bye Yellow Brick Road has had a top dollar price tag since it first came out as an LP vinyl album. as the years went by fans wore out the album and replaced it, bought it on eight track tape, later bought it on cassette tape and then purchased it on CD. and they paid top dollar every time. it's pretty much record label greed for maximum profit. E.J. is guilty too, that SOB has more money than his family line will ever spend and I really doubt he ever requested the company mark down their prices to a reasonable level. re recording for the sake of personal greed by artists who had made and pissed away millions is a sad reflection on their personal values and says a lot on how they truly view their fan base.
 
2013-05-12 08:00:36 AM
Madbassist1:
/Def Leppard is a great hard rock party band if you catch em before Hysteria (i'm throwing pyromania in there too, cause its a good album)

Agreed, "Let it Go" is a max-volume speaker-cracking jam.

/I can haz new speakerz?
 
2013-05-12 08:35:11 AM
Bob Mould had to do the same thing with a couple songs after his shiathead business manager signed over rights to one of his albums to his label. It's the only way he could make money when someone wanted it for a commercial.
 
2013-05-12 08:58:59 AM
Godscrack:Listen! red light, yellow light, green-a-light go!

Stoplights do not work that way!

i3.ytimg.com
 
2013-05-12 09:01:28 AM

nobiology2424: I saw the singer of Everclear had reformed with a bunch of new people and re-recorded some of their old hits.  Was wondering why anyone would redo their own songs, but I guess this makes sense.


They probably are different songs but since that guy could only write one song with the same rhythm section and the same structure, you just think they're the same song.
 
2013-05-12 09:10:13 AM
Since we're talking Def Leppard, I just have to chime in with my obligatory, "Pyromania is the only album I care about... But Gods of War is a kickass song, too" comment.
 
2013-05-12 09:14:42 AM
"Hey Dirt! Def Leppard SUCKS!!!"
 
2013-05-12 09:21:01 AM

lovefirststool: nobiology2424: I saw the singer of Everclear had reformed with a bunch of new people and re-recorded some of their old hits.  Was wondering why anyone would redo their own songs, but I guess this makes sense.

They probably are different songs but since that guy could only write one song with the same rhythm section and the same structure, you just think they're the same song.


I like that one Everclear song that goes like "DUH-NUH-NUH-NUH" and where he's telling off some chick
 
2013-05-12 09:38:32 AM
I'm confused, as they mention, why would anyone want to use the re-recorded version? I can't imagine a movie that is trying to set a certain tone for a certain era in time would want to use a noticeably different version of a song.
 
2013-05-12 09:41:55 AM
Maybe, just perhaps, our copyright system is broken.
 
2013-05-12 09:56:27 AM

taglius: Madbassist1:
/Def Leppard is a great hard rock party band if you catch em before Hysteria (i'm throwing pyromania in there too, cause its a good album)

Agreed, "Let it Go" is a max-volume speaker-cracking jam.

/I can haz new speakerz?


THIS!
 
2013-05-12 10:23:43 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: OLDIES? Hah! I don't think you know what you're talking about, subby.


This.  I get that they're old, but aren't they more in the *ahem* "classic rock" category than the "oldies" category?  I thought oldies was "Time Is On My Side" era Stones and the Animals and what not.  (Not that I don't dig 'em both, mind.) Get it right, subs.

/Off to wash the Just For Men out of my chesthair.  And what not.
 
2013-05-12 10:57:07 AM
At what point in time do we get to nuke the record labels?
 
2013-05-12 11:02:20 AM

balthan: Maybe, just perhaps, our copyright system is broken.


The problem isn't a broken copyright system as much as it is the ability of the record companies to write contracts that subvert the intent of the copyright system by allowing them to steal the rights to the works that others create.
 
2013-05-12 11:04:51 AM

Great_Milenko: Godscrack:Listen! red light, yellow light, green-a-light go!

Stoplights do not work that way!


Actually, in England, they do work that way.
 
2013-05-12 11:17:21 AM
I've noticed the re-recording of Twisted Sister's "We're Not Gonna Take It" popping up a lot lately in commercials and also on radio.  Guess Dee Snider's finally going to cash in.  (the new guitar solo break really sucks though)
 
2013-05-12 11:21:21 AM
They also do it to cut out royalties to former band members.

*cough* *Journey* *cough*
 
2013-05-12 11:41:50 AM
Heard this story with Joe Elliot on NPR several weeks ago.
The re-recordings aren't THAT bad.

/still has High n Dry record
 
2013-05-12 12:49:41 PM

superspeck: I've noticed the re-recording of Twisted Sister's "We're Not Gonna Take It" popping up a lot lately in commercials and also on radio.  Guess Dee Snider's finally going to cash in.  (the new guitar solo break really sucks though)


The rest of Still Hungry is pretty good though.  Much more raw and edgy than the original.  More of a "live in the studio" feel.  They were upfront that not only did they re-record because of a conflict with the record company, but they thought the original was too poppy.
 
2013-05-12 01:20:18 PM
I got a CD from Huey 'Piano' Smith and the Clowns that sounded too new. I thought he was deader than Abe Vigoda.
 
2013-05-12 01:24:30 PM

Great_Milenko: superspeck: I've noticed the re-recording of Twisted Sister's "We're Not Gonna Take It" popping up a lot lately in commercials and also on radio.  Guess Dee Snider's finally going to cash in.  (the new guitar solo break really sucks though)

The rest of Still Hungry is pretty good though.  Much more raw and edgy than the original.  More of a "live in the studio" feel.  They were upfront that not only did they re-record because of a conflict with the record company, but they thought the original was too poppy.



Other than WNGTI and IWR, Stay Hungry is actually a fairly raw, almost punky album. Some great tunes on there.

And you know what, to all those lame hipster dickhole's out there who think My Morning Jacket is the answer to the lack of good rock music out there, it's ok to you know, listen to music that's over 20 years old. Just because it's new, has dirty stringy hair and hipster clothes doesn't mean it's good.

Anyone watch SNL last night? If that Vampire Weekend band is what rock music is become, it makes my listening to Maiden, Rush and Zep make even more sense. Fark ME was that awful.
 
2013-05-12 01:30:12 PM

tkgeisha: I'm confused, as they mention, why would anyone want to use the re-recorded version? I can't imagine a movie that is trying to set a certain tone for a certain era in time would want to use a noticeably different version of a song.


Often the right to say yes or no to usage is not tied to who gets the lion's share of the cash from its use.

If a band may have the rights to say yes/no to the original track for soundtracks, but the original track gives them less royalties from using it, they'll only say yes to the new one, or demand a higher price to make sure their net cash is the same. If they only get 10% for the original a d 100% for the re-record they'll only say yes to 10x the price for the original.
 
2013-05-12 01:32:55 PM

ten foiled hats: AverageAmericanGuy: OLDIES? Hah! I don't think you know what you're talking about, subby.

This.  I get that they're old, but aren't they more in the *ahem* "classic rock" category than the "oldies" category?  I thought oldies was "Time Is On My Side" era Stones and the Animals and what not.  (Not that I don't dig 'em both, mind.) Get it right, subs.

/Off to wash the Just For Men out of my chesthair.  And what not.


I was ready to be up in arms, but then I remembered how many decades older the "oldies" of my youth were than the current music of the time.

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2013-05-12 01:37:42 PM
 
2013-05-12 01:43:43 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: If Def Leppard's drummer lost his other arm, they would still prop him up in front of an audience with a drum machine as if he's some great artist.


I have a half-assed hypothesis that they used a drum machine on Pyromania as well, and him losing his arm was just the luck he needed as a shiatty drummer.
 
2013-05-12 01:57:27 PM
Um, you're aware Pyromania was recorded well before Allen lost his arm, right? Or is that the joke?
 
2013-05-12 01:58:09 PM
I have not the slightest interest in listening to anyone's rerecorded music ever. That is all.
 
2013-05-12 02:06:35 PM

darch: Um, you're aware Pyromania was recorded well before Allen lost his arm, right? Or is that the joke?


Yep. No joke. If it was a band that still had live drums in the studio, his career would have been shot. However, because they had already used canned drums, there would be no need to get a new drummer. They could play a tape, he could fake the playing onstage, and there's that great human interest story of him overcoming adversity that pretty much catapulted Hysteria over the top.
 
2013-05-12 02:14:02 PM
Will they add shiatty synthesizer tracks to everything, like they did with Bringin' On the Heartache? Cause that would really be great.
 
2013-05-12 02:36:15 PM
Joe Elliott has lost much of his range and does an awesome Rod Stewart impersonation these days instead of the lilting high flying vocalist he used to be. The remakes are ok, but they need to do more off the first 2 albums!
 
2013-05-12 03:26:59 PM

darch: Great_Milenko: superspeck: I've noticed the re-recording of Twisted Sister's "We're Not Gonna Take It" popping up a lot lately in commercials and also on radio.  Guess Dee Snider's finally going to cash in.  (the new guitar solo break really sucks though)

The rest of Still Hungry is pretty good though.  Much more raw and edgy than the original.  More of a "live in the studio" feel.  They were upfront that not only did they re-record because of a conflict with the record company, but they thought the original was too poppy.


Other than WNGTI and IWR, Stay Hungry is actually a fairly raw, almost punky album. Some great tunes on there.

And you know what, to all those lame hipster dickhole's out there who think My Morning Jacket is the answer to the lack of good rock music out there, it's ok to you know, listen to music that's over 20 years old. Just because it's new, has dirty stringy hair and hipster clothes doesn't mean it's good.

Anyone watch SNL last night? If that Vampire Weekend band is what rock music is become, it makes my listening to Maiden, Rush and Zep make even more sense. Fark ME was that awful.


I think Under the Blade (their best album of all, IMO) was released 3 times in the 80s.  The original was a Euro only release and it sounds dark and raw.  The first US release "cleaned up" some of the mixing, but I prefer the original.  I believe the 3rd (2nd US) release was a complete re-recording and it lost even more edge.
 
2013-05-12 03:27:40 PM

bigbadideasinaction: tkgeisha: I'm confused, as they mention, why would anyone want to use the re-recorded version? I can't imagine a movie that is trying to set a certain tone for a certain era in time would want to use a noticeably different version of a song.

Often the right to say yes or no to usage is not tied to who gets the lion's share of the cash from its use.

If a band may have the rights to say yes/no to the original track for soundtracks, but the original track gives them less royalties from using it, they'll only say yes to the new one, or demand a higher price to make sure their net cash is the same. If they only get 10% for the original a d 100% for the re-record they'll only say yes to 10x the price for the original.


I hear ya there, but it surprises me there's a market for the re-recorded stuff. I know I would be upset if i got a noticeably different version than I thought I was buying and it if it was different enough I am surprised advertisers or movies would want to use it. They pay for a song to invoke a familiarity with a product or a the mood of a movie, I would think that a different version would have the opposite effect. Maybe they aren't as bad as I am hearing in my head..........
 
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