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(Chicago Sun-Times)   A cop heard a call come in about a burning apartment, and since he was a block away he ran in and rescued seven residents while the building crumbled around him   (suntimes.com) divider line 93
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2013-05-11 11:20:37 PM
so no roast pork?
 
2013-05-11 11:21:05 PM
"I wouldn't want to be a fireman," said Leighton, a cop for eight years. "That was scary."

Not being able to breathe is a biatch.

/not a fireman or officer
 
2013-05-11 11:25:16 PM
Is this where we pretend this one decent, honest guy makes up for all the lying criminals wearing police uniforms all over the planet?
 
2013-05-11 11:31:34 PM
Good man

/that is all
 
2013-05-11 11:51:29 PM
If you think cops are pigs, next time you need help, try calling a hippie.
 
2013-05-11 11:53:06 PM
I'll bet he exceeded the speed limit, failed to come to a full and complete stop, and parked on the sidewalk. Jerk.
 
2013-05-11 11:59:00 PM
People have the capacity to show balls, and in this case it's not a gender exclusive remark. "Hero" never really enters into it. It's just how they're wired, or were raised.

bingethinker: Is this where we pretend this one decent, honest guy makes up for all the lying criminals wearing police uniforms all over the planet?


Because it's only this "one" decent guy, amirite? Everyone else in uniform is a thug. Look, man, I know a ton of cops (am not a cop myself nor would I want to be) who just wanted a steady job with benefits and a pension. I likely have more reason than many Farkers to b*tch about corrupt or just douchey cops, but I also don't assume that every black kid is a criminal because I was carjacked by one.

The blind hate for cops on this site really gets on my nerves sometimes. I'm not white-knighting them; I'm talking about the common sense of not extrapolating certain awful news stories to an entire segment of people.
 
2013-05-11 11:59:05 PM

shanrick: If you think cops are pigs, next time you need help, try calling a hippie.


You got something against hippies?
 
2013-05-12 12:03:11 AM

shanrick: If you think cops are pigs, next time you need help, try calling a hippie.


I'm a hippie

/I have a medal for heroism
//it's frikkin silly, but I have it
///no hero, just human
 
2013-05-12 12:03:20 AM
dickfreckle: "The blind hate for cops on this site really gets on my nerves sometimes. I'm not white-knighting them..."

IMO the cop-hate and white-knighting on this site are fairly even.  Which is probably representative among society.
 
2013-05-12 12:04:03 AM

dickfreckle: People have the capacity to show balls, and in this case it's not a gender exclusive remark. "Hero" never really enters into it. It's just how they're wired, or were raised.


Eh, that was worded poorly. I just meant that women can spontaneously have "balls," too. It seems like there's a joke in there but I'm just can't see it...
 
2013-05-12 12:13:23 AM

Frederick: dickfreckle: "The blind hate for cops on this site really gets on my nerves sometimes. I'm not white-knighting them..."

IMO the cop-hate and white-knighting on this site are fairly even.  Which is probably representative among society.


except that here "white knighting" means not shouting "pig" at every single story involving a cop.
 
2013-05-12 12:27:55 AM

log_jammin: Frederick: dickfreckle: "The blind hate for cops on this site really gets on my nerves sometimes. I'm not white-knighting them..."

IMO the cop-hate and white-knighting on this site are fairly even.  Which is probably representative among society.

except that here "white knighting" means not shouting "pig" at every single story involving a cop.


Maybe. I'm one of the libbiest libtards who ever libbed, and I'm pro-cop. Getting flamed every time I say something about cops which isn't filled with hate and vitriol gets a bit tiresome. Sometimes I'll cloak my respect in sarcasm, like in the story about the Chicago cop running into a burning building. But most of the time I'll avoid posting, like the story about the CHP officer and the bridge jumper.
 
2013-05-12 12:31:40 AM
So Zabrina has one kid for every pet.

Or one pet for every kid.

Anyway, it works out.
 
2013-05-12 01:23:35 AM

bingethinker: Is this where we pretend this one decent, honest guy makes up for all the lying criminals wearing police uniforms all over the planet?


for a few minutes, then back the cop hate.
 
2013-05-12 02:26:03 AM

bingethinker: Is this where we pretend this one decent, honest guy makes up for all the lying criminals wearing police uniforms all over the planet?


The fact that he happened to be a cop is irrelevant to the story or his heroism. He put his life at risk to save others; he could be a baby seal clubbing, excessive coupon-using, Nickelback-listening, three-letter-scrabbling, Tea Partier for all I care.
 
2013-05-12 02:29:14 AM

miss diminutive: he could be a baby seal clubbing, excessive coupon-using, Nickelback-listening, three-letter-scrabbling, Tea Partier for all I care.


whoa whoa WHOA! let's not get too carried away.
 
2013-05-12 02:34:55 AM

miss diminutive: bingethinker: Is this where we pretend this one decent, honest guy makes up for all the lying criminals wearing police uniforms all over the planet?

The fact that he happened to be a cop is irrelevant to the story or his heroism. He put his life at risk to save others; he could be a baby seal clubbing, excessive coupon-using, Nickelback-listening, three-letter-scrabbling, Tea Partier for all I care.


He writes checks at the grocery. In fact, he doesn't even get his checkbook out until the cashier scans everything and announces the total.  Obviously, he hasn't written the recipient, or the date, on the check in advance.
 
2013-05-12 02:41:11 AM
Hats off to this man.  Meanwhile, where I'm at, a fireman died of smoke and soot inhalation last week at a bar that mysteriously went up in smoke.  While wearing a mask.  Either way, hats off to the men who would risk their lives for other people and their possessions.

You're all better people than I am.
 
2013-05-12 03:17:38 AM

miss diminutive: bingethinker: Is this where we pretend this one decent, honest guy makes up for all the lying criminals wearing police uniforms all over the planet?

The fact that he happened to be a cop is

should be irrelevant to the story or his heroism. He put his life at risk to save others; he could be a baby seal clubbing, excessive coupon-using, Nickelback-listening, three-letter-scrabbling, Tea Partier for all I care.

This is subtle propaganda on the part of the publication (and fark headline writer) -pro law enforcement.  If it had been a tow truck driver would the hero's occupation had been in the headline?  I doubt it.

Because I recognize the propaganda I dont mind it too much -the cops could use some good publicity.  But the purposeful use can be influential.
 
2013-05-12 03:28:10 AM
Well that's certainly more lives than I've saved today and it being Saturday I've pretty much sat around doing nothing.
 
2013-05-12 03:31:21 AM
Sounds like the building didn't have working smoke detectors. I hope the owners/managers get more than a stern talking to.


shanrick: If you think cops are pigs, next time you need help, try calling a hippie.


What if the help I need is weed?
 
2013-05-12 03:35:43 AM

shanrick: If you think cops are pigs, next time you need help, try calling a hippie.


Questionable whether either would help, but chances of getting shot or beaten are pretty low with hippies.
 
2013-05-12 03:39:30 AM
It's the police state americans seem to be welcoming with open arms that's the problem more so police in themselves. Policing style in Western Australia is so different then what I saw in NYC.
 
2013-05-12 03:46:42 AM

Frederick: This is subtle propaganda on the part of the publication (and fark headline writer) -pro law enforcement.  If it had been a tow truck driver would the hero's occupation had been in the headline?  I doubt it.


I love this.

Because a hypothetical situation, that exists only in your mind, doesn't play out the same as a real situation, then the real situation must be "propaganda".
 
2013-05-12 03:46:44 AM

shanrick: If you think cops are pigs, next time you need help, try calling a hippie.


All the hippies I know would give their last piece of soy for you. Don't you forget it.
 
2013-05-12 03:53:16 AM

bingethinker: Is this where we pretend this one decent, honest guy makes up for all the lying criminals wearing police uniforms all over the planet?


No, this is where we derail a thread about a decent, honest guy doing something good, and start biatching about something else, as per usual.
 
2013-05-12 03:56:33 AM

shanrick: If you think cops are pigs, next time you need help, try calling a hippie.


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2013-05-12 03:58:13 AM

Frederick: miss diminutive: bingethinker: Is this where we pretend this one decent, honest guy makes up for all the lying criminals wearing police uniforms all over the planet?

The fact that he happened to be a cop is should be irrelevant to the story or his heroism. He put his life at risk to save others; he could be a baby seal clubbing, excessive coupon-using, Nickelback-listening, three-letter-scrabbling, Tea Partier for all I care.

This is subtle propaganda on the part of the publication (and fark headline writer) -pro law enforcement.  If it had been a tow truck driver would the hero's occupation had been in the headline?  I doubt it.

Because I recognize the propaganda I dont mind it too much -the cops could use some good publicity.  But the purposeful use can be influential.


Why not just go the extra step and say this was a false flag operation by the police department? Maybe you can wake some of us sheeple.
 
2013-05-12 04:02:46 AM
That piggy! I'm sure he didn't have legal cause to enter the premises. Plus, I'm sure he's going to use all the stuff he found illegally to throw them in jail. And all those 'burns' and 'smoke inhalation' - cop talk for lighter burns and tear gas!
 
2013-05-12 04:03:36 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Questionable whether either would help, but chances of getting shot or beaten are pretty low with hippies.


It's amazing how quickly we forget our history.  We can start with the Manson Family and then move on to the other extreme number of serial killers throughout the 60's and 70's if you like.  The "Hippie" era was among the most violent periods of our nation's history.  And the "hippies" were doing the killing.
 
2013-05-12 04:03:39 AM
lots of us might do the same thing if we knew about it....

...but lots of us dont think it's our responsibility leave a radio on waiting for it to happen.

good job, man, good job.
 
2013-05-12 04:26:51 AM
The woman's 21-year-old son jumped from the balcony to the roof of a neighboring two-story building....


What a dick...leave your mother in a burning building.
 
2013-05-12 04:27:31 AM

log_jammin: Frederick: This is subtle propaganda on the part of the publication (and fark headline writer) -pro law enforcement.  If it had been a tow truck driver would the hero's occupation had been in the headline?  I doubt it.

I love this.

Because a hypothetical situation, that exists only in your mind, doesn't play out the same as a real situation, then the real situation must be "propaganda".


Bane of Broone: Why not just go the extra step and say this was a false flag operation by the police department? Maybe you can wake some of us sheeple.


Perhaps neither of you understand the meaning of propaganda.  Sounds like you automatically assume it means something negative.  You have been influenced by too much Alex Jones.   As miss diminutive pointed out "The fact that he happened to be a cop is irrelevant to the story ".  Yet that fact is in the headline.  My opinion is that suggests propaganda.

Why do you think that irrelevant fact is in the headline?

/the condescension from each of you is immature and misplaced
 
2013-05-12 04:32:53 AM

Frederick: Perhaps neither of you understand the meaning of propaganda. Sounds like you automatically assume it means something negative. You have been influenced by too much Alex Jones. As miss diminutive pointed out "The fact that he happened to be a cop is irrelevant to the story ". Yet that fact is in the headline. My opinion is that suggests propaganda.


Adding "cop" to a story always enhances its readability.

"Man found guilty of choking hooker" is an interesting story.

"Cop found guilty of choking hooker" is an irresistible story.
 
2013-05-12 04:33:44 AM

Frederick: /the condescension from each of you is immature and misplaced


My condescension is neither.

You made up a hypothetical situation as "evidence" to justify the conclusion you already came to.
 
2013-05-12 04:36:47 AM
Cell Phone Saves Life Of Amish Farmer In Butler Township

Pro cell phone propaganda, or pro Amish farmer propaganda? You be the judge.
 
2013-05-12 04:45:11 AM

log_jammin: Frederick: /the condescension from each of you is immature and misplaced

My condescension is neither.

You made up a hypothetical situation as "evidence" to justify the conclusion you already came to.


log_jammin: Cell Phone Saves Life Of Amish Farmer In Butler Township

Pro cell phone propaganda, or pro Amish farmer propaganda? You be the judge.


1) you havent answered: Why do you think that irrelevant fact is in the headline?
2) I concluded nothing.  I specifically said "I doubt it."
3) If you dont understand why Cell phones and Amish are relevant to each other then I think we have discovered the root of the problem.

Good day.
 
2013-05-12 04:49:11 AM

Maybe you should drive: Frederick: Perhaps neither of you understand the meaning of propaganda. Sounds like you automatically assume it means something negative. You have been influenced by too much Alex Jones. As miss diminutive pointed out "The fact that he happened to be a cop is irrelevant to the story ". Yet that fact is in the headline. My opinion is that suggests propaganda.

Adding "cop" to a story always enhances its readability.

"Man found guilty of choking hooker" is an interesting story.

"Cop found guilty of choking hooker" is an irresistible story.


FYI: for those paying attention.  This is a perfectly reasonably explanation.  Essentially sensation.  Quite possible.
 
2013-05-12 04:54:08 AM
You know... Statistically the hero that rescues people from a fire is very often the one who set it in the first place .
 
2013-05-12 04:57:12 AM
Turk182!
 
2013-05-12 04:57:50 AM

Frederick: 1) you havent answered: Why do you think that irrelevant fact is in the headline?


It sells newspapers/page clicks.

Frederick: 2) I concluded nothing.  I specifically said "I doubt it."


That's called a conclusion. You determined the most likely outcome in your made up situation because it "felt right".

Frederick: 3) If you dont understand why Cell phones and Amish are relevant to each other then I think we have discovered the root of the problem.


I do understand why. just trying to figure out why one headline id propaganda and the other one isn't.
 
2013-05-12 05:09:11 AM

log_jammin: I do understand why. just trying to figure out why one headline id propaganda and the other one isn't.


I think "propaganda" is a poor choice of words because it means the medium is trying to influence the readers opinion regarding an issue.  "Sensationalism" is a much better choice of words.  I don't think the media are trying to influence what readers think of cops.  I doubt they care.  They are trying to gain and retain readers.
 
2013-05-12 05:11:03 AM

shanrick: If you think cops are pigs, next time you need help, try calling a hippie.


Actually a hippie helped me shen no one else including the cops would so f--k off, thanks.

/hippie was my ex
//who also physically protected me when the cops didn't give a f--k about my stalker since he hadn't "done anything yet"
///we broke up for decent reasons but he'll always have a place in my heart for that reason
 
2013-05-12 05:17:43 AM

Maybe you should drive: I think "propaganda" is a poor choice of words because it means the medium is trying to influence the readers opinion regarding an issue.  "Sensationalism" is a much better choice of words.  I don't think the media are trying to influence what readers think of cops.  I doubt they care.  They are trying to gain and retain readers.


exactly.
 
2013-05-12 05:36:49 AM

bingethinker: Is this where we pretend this one decent, honest guy makes up for all the lying criminals wearing police uniforms all over the planet?


The majority of police officers that I've encountered are just fine.   Don't be a complete jackass when they're trying to do their job and you shouldn't have any issues.  However, I can see how your attitude can cause you problems.  For example, I'm not even a cop and I want to taser you right now.
 
2013-05-12 06:09:42 AM

Maybe you should drive: J. Frank Parnell: Questionable whether either would help, but chances of getting shot or beaten are pretty low with hippies.

It's amazing how quickly we forget our history.  We can start with the Manson Family and then move on to the other extreme number of serial killers throughout the 60's and 70's if you like.  The "Hippie" era was among the most violent periods of our nation's history.  And the "hippies" were doing the killing.


Really? Really? You got some statistics on that, or are you just jealous you never got to be a hippie, because you were so incredibly uncool?
 
2013-05-12 06:14:56 AM
I wonder if anyone who saw him on his way there went "What's he running for?  Where's the fire?"
 
2013-05-12 06:30:19 AM
on a semi serious note - i hope he doesn't lose his job for violating safety procedures and putting himself at unnecessary risk.

(yes some bad attitude in there - but really, i hope he is rewarded and not harmed by this )
 
2013-05-12 06:35:17 AM

ghare: Really? Really? You got some statistics on that, or are you just jealous you never got to be a hippie, because you were so incredibly uncool?


I am jealous because I never got to be a hippie and was incredibly uncool.

I was incorrect and hippies never hurt anyone and the idea that they might have done so was the product people who are jealous that they never got to be part of the free love movement.  The whole Charles Manson thing was blown out of proportion.  There has never been a lower crime rate in our history than 1966-1973. Ever.

Why argue with you when we both know what your endgame is going to be?
 
2013-05-12 06:44:46 AM
What's really impressive about this is that the guy didn't even had time to go to a phone booth to switch to his real identity.
 
2013-05-12 06:46:18 AM

bindlestiff2600: on a semi serious note - i hope he doesn't lose his job for violating safety procedures and putting himself at unnecessary risk.

(yes some bad attitude in there - but really, i hope he is rewarded and not harmed by this )


I'm a bit more jaded than you.  I only hope that he doesn't end up being the arsonist.
 
2013-05-12 07:08:34 AM

bindlestiff2600: on a semi serious note - i hope he doesn't lose his job for violating safety procedures and putting himself at unnecessary risk.

(yes some bad attitude in there - but really, i hope he is rewarded and not harmed by this )


I was thinking something similar. He had no SCBA or PPE, no extinguishing agent, no entry or extrication tools, no backup, and no one outside knew he was in there.

Not to mention he didn't have a warrant.
 
2013-05-12 07:16:57 AM

Bucky Katt: so no roast pork?


Nice

/also, surprised this was in Chicago
//one of the few pigs out there
///he deserves his 15 minutes
 
2013-05-12 07:18:04 AM
Ogden District Officer Edward Leighton... knocked in the door and found a mother helping her 8-year-old son with his homework. Leighton said Zabrina Washington, 33, told him she'd seen smoke but didn't realize the fire was coming from her building.

"What? There's a fire?", he said.

.
/no point in planting that blow now
//(i keed)
 
2013-05-12 07:19:32 AM

Notabunny: Maybe. I'm one of the libbiest libtards who ever libbed, and I'm pro-cop.


There's really no contradiction in being a liberal and being pro-cop. The pro-big-government end of the spectrum usually favors government workers.
 
2013-05-12 07:24:15 AM

justoneznot: There's really no contradiction in being a liberal and being pro-cop. The pro-big-government end of the spectrum usually favors government workers.


I think marijuana muddies the waters for a lot of people
 
2013-05-12 07:59:25 AM
Meanwhile 5 other cops in the neighborhood stood around and said "Not my job."

(It WOULD be true...)
 
2013-05-12 08:17:12 AM

gerbilpox: Not to mention he didn't have a warrant.


You do know there are certain exception to needing a warrant to enter premises.  A burning house is basically a textbook case of the "emergency" exception.
 
2013-05-12 08:29:51 AM
I am going to poke at the mom in this story.  Why would you not leave the house when it is on fire?  'Oh, it just smoke.  We continue with life as if the smoke can't be a sign of fire.'  Everytime I smell smoke I atleast check it out.  Especially when you can tell the difference between leaves burning or man made materials.  Bugged a neighbor once because we smelled burning plastic coming from her house.  Turned out it was intentional burning, but I would've felt terrible if we had done nothing and lost our neighbor.

/although the kid may have had one of those teachers that don't take a house burning down as an excuse for late homework
 
2013-05-12 08:33:27 AM
Thumbs up, bro. And I agree with you. I did fire suppression for 7 years as a volunteer. I won't lie when I say I was terrified each and every time I had to go in and make an interior attack. Not only because of the conditions, but because without glasses I looked like Velma from Scooby Doo, minus the pot.

justoneznot: Notabunny: Maybe. I'm one of the libbiest libtards who ever libbed, and I'm pro-cop.

There's really no contradiction in being a liberal and being pro-cop. The pro-big-government end of the spectrum usually favors government workers.


You can be pro-cop and decry and outright hate the people who abuse their authority and their badge. This is something that many "FARK Liberals" and "FARK Libertarians" seem unable to wrap their heads around. And it's something that many "FARK Republicans" can't understand when you don't suck cop dick 24/7. (When their guy is in office. When their
 
2013-05-12 08:45:32 AM

Silverstaff: gerbilpox: Not to mention he didn't have a warrant.

You do know there are certain exception to needing a warrant to enter premises.  A burning house is basically a textbook case of the "emergency" exception.


Yeah, I was joking. It's "exigent circumstance," at least in regard to whether found evidence would be admissible. I don't know if it's something different to simply enter for a rescue, IANAL


/ Or is it I♥ANAL?
 
2013-05-12 09:24:24 AM
I wish we would stop turning ever thread involving police into a cop hate debate thread.

*gets on knees and dramatically reaches for the sky*

Must we make everything so black and white?! Can we not accept that there are both paragons and corrupt people employed in every profession?! That there is good and bad in everyone?!

*gets back up*

And before anyone says it,

welcometofark.jpg
 
2013-05-12 09:31:45 AM

Ronin_S: Must we make everything so black and white?! Can we not accept that there are both paragons and corrupt people employed in every profession?! That there is good and bad in everyone?!


Part of it on both sides is hero worship. We're taught by the media, our parents, and our schools that, from a very early age, cops and firemen and nurses and doctors are heroic people who we expect to be infallible and utterly morally upright in their decision making processes. This is manifest on both sides - either cops can do no wrong, or cops are all corrupt, murdering sociopaths. People don't see them as human beings and individuals with their own motivations, personality, and moral upbringings.

So instead of using critical thought, it's easier to stereotype (or be inflammatory) by promoting the belief that it is EITHER one or the other, and that anyone who says differently is X.
 
2013-05-12 09:34:38 AM
Wow, look at all the nitter natter about cops.

Anyway, he goes to the second floor and finds a woman who said she didn't really pay attention to where the smoke was coming from and didn't know the building was on fire...a 33 year old woman with 6 kids, 5 dogs, and a cat.

I'd be surprised if she managed to notice a simulatanous earthquake, tornado, and flood.
 
2013-05-12 09:36:42 AM
Glad to hear he was able to avoid tripping over his massive steel balls while rescuing those folks.

/Yes, most cops are assholes
//There are a few who care
///Here's to you, Mr. Can't Breathe My Ass Is On Fire Cop-Fire Rescue Guy!
 
2013-05-12 09:58:53 AM
This guy exemplifies (by contrast) one of my complaints about society. Most people pass the buck to anyone else. People go shopping and pass corrals full of shopping carts. I tried to report a piece of faulty equipment at my gym and I got "Oh, that's facilities responsibility" our of the staff.

This man had authority, had a sense of duty, and applied himself because the buck stopped at him.

www.greenbookblog.org
 
2013-05-12 10:13:04 AM
Hero

no slight this time, a good man a heroic act and I'm happy that all the people he helped escaped
 
2013-05-12 10:30:05 AM

Ronin_S: I wish we would stop turning ever thread involving police into a cop hate debate thread.

*gets on knees and dramatically reaches for the sky*

Must we make everything so black and white?! Can we not accept that there are both paragons and corrupt people employed in every profession?! That there is good and bad in everyone?!

*gets back up*

And before anyone says it,

welcometofark.jpg


The corrupt dude working at FoodMax will over charge me and pocket the difference.
The corrupt cop can kill me and get away with it.

See the difference?
 
2013-05-12 10:39:47 AM

Psycoholic_Slag: The corrupt dude working at FoodMax will over charge me and pocket the difference.
The corrupt cop can kill me and get away with it.

See the difference?


So both are bad and should be punished.

That automatically means that everyone in a specific profession is a thief or a murderer.

ecimages.kobobooks.com

Just like all Islamics are terrorists, all Christians are abortion clinic bombers, all Republicans are racist klansmen, etc....
 
2013-05-12 10:58:48 AM

Flumple: It's the police state americans seem to be welcoming with open arms that's the problem more so police in themselves. Policing style in Western Australia is so different then what I saw in NYC.


Doesn't Australia have super strict gun laws?

How much of a police state is America when I can go into Wal-Mart and pick up a rifle along with a carton of milk and a loaf of bread?

Can you do that in Australia?
 
2013-05-12 11:05:50 AM

mekki: Flumple: It's the police state americans seem to be welcoming with open arms that's the problem more so police in themselves. Policing style in Western Australia is so different then what I saw in NYC.

Doesn't Australia have super strict gun laws?

How much of a police state is America when I can go into Wal-Mart and pick up a rifle along with a carton of milk and a loaf of bread?

Can you do that in Australia?


www.achievemore.com.au

Hey mates. What are those things on the right hips of those Aussie cops?

It's almost as if the police there are armed for some reason. FASCISM!
 
2013-05-12 11:08:08 AM

mekki: Flumple: It's the police state americans seem to be welcoming with open arms that's the problem more so police in themselves. Policing style in Western Australia is so different then what I saw in NYC.

Doesn't Australia have super strict gun laws?

How much of a police state is America when I can go into Wal-Mart and pick up a rifle along with a carton of milk and a loaf of bread?

Can you do that in Australia?


Nope, to Walmart too thankfully ;) that said we don't get shot by army surplus totting police on no knock warrants either, so there's that.
 
2013-05-12 11:17:55 AM

Flumple: Nope, to Walmart too thankfully ;) that said we don't get shot by army surplus totting police on no knock warrants either, so there's that.


You must not pay too much attention to the news, then.


/apologies for the daily fail link.
 
2013-05-12 11:28:09 AM

hardinparamedic: Flumple: Nope, to Walmart too thankfully ;) that said we don't get shot by army surplus totting police on no knock warrants either, so there's that.

You must not pay too much attention to the news, then.


/apologies for the daily fail link.


I'm just about to go to sleep so forgive me for being slow.. But isn't that link to a story about a no knock wrongful shooting by police in America... And therefore supports my statement?
 
2013-05-12 11:32:22 AM

Flumple: mekki: Flumple: It's the police state americans seem to be welcoming with open arms that's the problem more so police in themselves. Policing style in Western Australia is so different then what I saw in NYC.

Doesn't Australia have super strict gun laws?

How much of a police state is America when I can go into Wal-Mart and pick up a rifle along with a carton of milk and a loaf of bread?

Can you do that in Australia?

Nope, to Walmart too thankfully ;) that said we don't get shot by army surplus totting police on no knock warrants either, so there's that.


Army surplus toting? Have you seen our bad guys? They're not exactly the sling shot carrying kind. They are the high powered rifle with armor piercing bullets carrying along with IEDs and a cart full of grenades kind. What do you suggest the cops carry? A strongly worded letter?
 
2013-05-12 11:37:21 AM

mekki: Flumple: mekki: Flumple: It's the police state americans seem to be welcoming with open arms that's the problem more so police in themselves. Policing style in Western Australia is so different then what I saw in NYC.

Doesn't Australia have super strict gun laws?

How much of a police state is America when I can go into Wal-Mart and pick up a rifle along with a carton of milk and a loaf of bread?

Can you do that in Australia?

Nope, to Walmart too thankfully ;) that said we don't get shot by army surplus totting police on no knock warrants either, so there's that.

Army surplus toting? Have you seen our bad guys? They're not exactly the sling shot carrying kind. They are the high powered rifle with armor piercing bullets carrying along with IEDs and a cart full of grenades kind. What do you suggest the cops carry? A strongly worded letter?


Well, I guess that's another argument for gun control. Then police can be trained in useful skills instead of pew pew pew!
 
2013-05-12 11:45:27 AM

Flumple: I'm just about to go to sleep so forgive me for being slow.. But isn't that link to a story about a no knock wrongful shooting by police in America... And therefore supports my statement?


Sorry. Maybe these are more interesting to Aussies.

Victoria Police shoot 15 year old and then try to have it declared a suicide.

Mentally ill woman shot by police after calling them because she was being attacked.
 
2013-05-12 11:54:21 AM
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2013-05-12 12:02:55 PM
Ah, good old Victoria, armpit of Australia. Still, prefer that then the Yes. Sir. No. Sir how high do you want me to jump sir relationship between civilians and police I saw in NYC.
Hell, the police in Japan are iiintense, but with the respect flowing both ways.authority doesn't have to be a boot your throat and one hand in federal government via the armies pocket and one hand in the private prison industries pocket.... Police can do positive things when they aren't inside a toxic system.
 
2013-05-12 12:36:35 PM
Another imperialist pig breaking into a home without a warrant.

FOURTH AMENDMENT 4EVA
 
2013-05-12 12:37:35 PM

Flumple: Ah, good old Victoria, armpit of Australia. Still, prefer that then the Yes. Sir. No. Sir how high do you want me to jump sir relationship between civilians and police I saw in NYC.
Hell, the police in Japan are iiintense, but with the respect flowing both ways.authority doesn't have to be a boot your throat and one hand in federal government via the armies pocket and one hand in the private prison industries pocket.... Police can do positive things when they aren't inside a toxic system.


Well, as long as you have the toxic nationalism and the "It's not bad when we do it" attitude, bonus points for the "police never do positive things" comment.

10/10 with the comment about Japanese police, too.

The "private prison industry" controls less than 10% of prisons across the United States, as well. Hardly the nefarious conspiracy you suggest.

It's almost as if you're taking stereotypes and talking about them like you know something about a country you're not even in, just to get a rise out of people.
 
2013-05-12 12:59:02 PM

Flumple: mekki: Flumple: mekki: Flumple: It's the police state americans seem to be welcoming with open arms that's the problem more so police in themselves. Policing style in Western Australia is so different then what I saw in NYC.

Doesn't Australia have super strict gun laws?

How much of a police state is America when I can go into Wal-Mart and pick up a rifle along with a carton of milk and a loaf of bread?

Can you do that in Australia?

Nope, to Walmart too thankfully ;) that said we don't get shot by army surplus totting police on no knock warrants either, so there's that.

Army surplus toting? Have you seen our bad guys? They're not exactly the sling shot carrying kind. They are the high powered rifle with armor piercing bullets carrying along with IEDs and a cart full of grenades kind. What do you suggest the cops carry? A strongly worded letter?

Well, I guess that's another argument for gun control. Then police can be trained in useful skills instead of pew pew pew!


Wait, you are going on about the police state and the over reaching arm of the government with one breath and going on about gun control with the next. Are you that not self-aware?
 
2013-05-12 02:03:13 PM

shanrick: If you think cops are pigs, next time you need help, try calling a hippie.


To be fair, when you need help, 99% of the time, you're not gonna get it for hours.

/had my house burglarized a year ago, cops took 4 hours to stop by... I could see seven or eight of them a block away running a speed trap... apparently that was more important.
 
2013-05-12 02:30:09 PM
He'll be fired. Because current police practice is to establish a perimeter and wait for federal agents to arrive; deny anything's wrong; allow the first to destroy everything and then pronounce the evidence implicates the Tea Party.
 
2013-05-12 02:38:09 PM
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2013-05-12 02:40:46 PM

Clemkadidlefark: He'll be fired. Because current police practice is to establish a perimeter and wait for federal agents to arrive; deny anything's wrong; allow the first to destroy everything and then pronounce the evidence implicates the Tea Party.


You poor, poor persecuted soul. The Jews in Nazi Germany had nothing compared to your persecution in the United States of Socialst Kenyan Usurpers.
 
2013-05-12 03:04:32 PM

hardinparamedic: Ronin_S: Must we make everything so black and white?! Can we not accept that there are both paragons and corrupt people employed in every profession?! That there is good and bad in everyone?!

Part of it on both sides is hero worship. We're taught by the media, our parents, and our schools that, from a very early age, cops and firemen and nurses and doctors are heroic people who we expect to be infallible and utterly morally upright in their decision making processes.


I think being 'morally upright' is expected of ALL people, not just cops and firemen and nurses and doctors.

This is manifest on both sides - either cops can do no wrong, or cops are all corrupt, murdering sociopaths

I see plenty of 'cops can do no wrong' people, but I've never seen anyone say "cops are all corrupt, murdering sociopaths". On the other hand it is true that SOME cops are "corrupt, murdering sociopaths" (um... let's just say "bad cops", okay?), and some cops are NOT 'bad cops'. The problem is, all the 'not-bad cops' who don't do anything about the 'bad cops' are complicit.

Basically, there are some bad cops, a few really good cops, and the vast majority that aren't 'bad' by themselves, but don't do anything about the bad cops. Which makes them complicit with the bad cops, and thus 'bad' themselves. But they aren't "corrupt, murdering sociopaths".

People don't see them as human beings and individuals with their own motivations, personality, and moral upbringings.

Once they put on that uniform, they are supposed to leave personal baggage behind.
 
2013-05-12 03:54:16 PM
I'm just hoping this isn't updated in a week with new information that the cop started the fire... seems to be a LOT of THAT type of thing nowadays (civil servant wishing they could be heroes, then ultimately deciding to "create" a situation where they "become" the hero).

Just playing devil's advocate-
 
2013-05-12 04:07:10 PM

shanrick: If you think cops are pigs, next time you need help, try calling a hippie.


+eleventy
 
2013-05-12 08:33:49 PM

hardinparamedic: Flumple: Ah, good old Victoria, armpit of Australia. Still, prefer that then the Yes. Sir. No. Sir how high do you want me to jump sir relationship between civilians and police I saw in NYC.
Hell, the police in Japan are iiintense, but with the respect flowing both ways.authority doesn't have to be a boot your throat and one hand in federal government via the armies pocket and one hand in the private prison industries pocket.... Police can do positive things when they aren't inside a toxic system.

Well, as long as you have the toxic nationalism and the "It's not bad when we do it" attitude, bonus points for the "police never do positive things" comment.

10/10 with the comment about Japanese police, too.

The "private prison industry" controls less than 10% of prisons across the United States, as well. Hardly the nefarious conspiracy you suggest.

It's almost as if you're taking stereotypes and talking about them like you know something about a country you're not even in, just to get a rise out of people.


USA has the highest rate of incarceration in the industrialised world. Clearly that's a negative thing, americans are not more inherently criminal... Oh and before you ou say "but but it's easy for homogeneous countries" that's rubbish Australia and many other countries are multicultural too and clearly get by just fine without sending excessive amounts of its population to prison. Interesting how you flipped police CAN do positive things in your head to that they CANT.

Police here are still a service, not a force, I've been impressed the couple of times I've interacted with them.

You lose community policing and mutual respect as soon as you start arming police with surplus military gear and prosecute a endless drug war against your own people
 
2013-05-13 12:35:20 AM

hardinparamedic: Clemkadidlefark: He'll be fired. Because current police practice is to establish a perimeter and wait for federal agents to arrive; deny anything's wrong; allow the first to destroy everything and then pronounce the evidence implicates the Tea Party.

You poor, poor persecuted soul. The Jews in Nazi Germany had nothing compared to your persecution in the United States of Socialst Kenyan Usurpers.


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:-)
 
2013-05-13 09:19:17 AM
I've made this comment multiple times here, and as of now no one has given it any notice.  But it's damned relevant.

1- Had one friend who was a cop for 15 years.  He never did any of this stupid shiat, was generally laid back.

2- Had on cousin who was a cop in a larger city.    For years, every time the family got together for a holiday I had to listen to him brag about how they beat this one guy up, or someone tried to run and they put him in the hospital, or how one perp tried to kick out the window of the squad car (from inside)....so they dragged him out (still cuffed) and five officers nearly beat him to death.  Oh, and for a little icing on the cake - all the officers lied to IA when questioned about the incident.

So listen up....this was NOT a couple of isolated incidents.  It was RAMPANT throughout the department.  They beat the crap out of people on a regular basis, and what's more THEY ENJOYED IT.

I really try not to make snap judgements about people, but after listening to endless stories of "we beat the crap outta this one guy" I can't help but view people who have power over others with anything less than a cynical eye.
 
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