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2013-05-11 06:34:50 PM  
I'm sure this thread will be nothing but cries to properly fund police training.
 
2013-05-11 08:16:28 PM  

Krieghund: I'm sure this thread will be nothing but cries to properly fund police training.


I won't cry about it but LEOs need training that is updated as much as any profession.
 
2013-05-11 09:01:19 PM  
It was a joke, subby: The officer admitted as much in the video.

-1 for incorrect use of the Fail tag.
 
2013-05-11 09:39:41 PM  

Krieghund: I'm sure this thread will be nothing but cries to properly fund police training.


Our police are underfunded; want steak.
 
2013-05-11 09:57:54 PM  
it's a simple machine that tells him what speed you are going.

The training is so he knows not to rest the business end in his crotch and give himself testicular cancer.
 
2013-05-11 10:20:33 PM  
There are carnies running these things in pitching booths at every fair midway in the country

/you sayin' they don't know what they're doing?
//ok... I forget my point...
 
2013-05-11 10:29:10 PM  

Apos: It was a joke, subby: The officer admitted as much in the video.

-1 for incorrect use of the Fail tag.




I don't see it that way.

He admitted he doesn't have any training.
 
2013-05-11 10:34:05 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Apos: It was a joke, subby: The officer admitted as much in the video.

-1 for incorrect use of the Fail tag.

I don't see it that way.

He admitted he doesn't have any training.



Re-watch it. He admits to "being a smartass" towards the end.
 
2013-05-12 12:05:36 AM  
How hard can it be to operate those things?  You just turn them on, point them at something moving and push a button to emit a signal.
 
2013-05-12 12:14:37 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: How hard can it be to operate those things?  You just turn them on, point them at something moving and push a button to emit a signal.


Yes, but you have to know how much to add to the readout based on the target's ethnicity, and have to mentally calculate the "reported" speed while walking up to the perp's car with your taser out.
 
2013-05-12 12:15:07 AM  
In the state of Ohio, police don't need to use speed-detecting tech to give a ticket for speeding. They are legally allowed to just guess.

Probably not terribly relevant to the video but it's all I have to contribute.
 
2013-05-12 12:20:55 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: How hard can it be to operate those things?  You just turn them on, point them at something moving and push a button to emit a signal.


Microwave radar: Beam gets wider further away and will pick up more vehicles in its path.
Little vehicle with large truck behind the beam will catch some of the large truck. Same can be said for you close to the beam and a car coming up fast behind(try it on a side of the road speed reading board).
Them radar beams attached to automated cameras can measure the vehicle going in the opposite direction of you at the same point in the road, but you got the ticket for his speeding

Laser radar: contest any reading that is not on a tripod. Studies have shown that when it is held freehand or with the gunstock extension, that the officer will lean forward as he pushes the button causing a 3mph rise in the speed reading. Also called the stationary brick wall is moving down the road defense.
Where the officer aims the beam on the vehicle is also important to avoid sudden range shift during the reading.

When an officer uses the laser radar to measure tailgaters: Is he using two beams at once or is there a discrepancy of five seconds before he measures the second tailing vehicle? Vehicle speed changes are a biatch to use two reading points.

/The police don't care if the ticket is legit.
//You have to take the day off of work to fight it and he doesn't get punished unless you get all uppity in court.
///Tickets for speeding equal revenue, and tickets for dangerous driving equal guaranteed court time which the local governments hate to pay for
 
2013-05-12 02:14:33 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: I don't see it that way.

He admitted he doesn't have any training.


Do the world a favor, don't have kids.
 
2013-05-12 04:19:46 AM  

sheep snorter: Laser radar: contest any reading that is not on a tripod. Studies have shown that when it is held freehand or with the gunstock extension, that the officer will lean forward as he pushes the button causing a 3mph rise in the speed reading. Also called the stationary brick wall is moving down the road defense.

Where the officer aims the beam on the vehicle is also important to avoid sudden range shift during the reading.


I've heard these claims a number of times, usually from defense attorneys trying to get people to hire them to fight their tickets. They're not true. I have tried to replicate these claims and cannot do it. If I sweep the laser across a large, stationary object I can sometimes get the laser to show a speed, but it's difficult and the motion is very obvious. If you move the laser even slightly while pointing it at a moving object, you get nothing but an error message.

These type of false claims are the same as the "inaccurate breath testing machine" claims that defense attorneys use to convince people they can beat their ticket in court. Then they go into court and get the same plea deal you could get yourself and claim victory and send you a fat bill.

Besides the physical inability to effect the laser reading, there's the question of "why?" Why would a cop intentionally manipulate a laser to get a false reading? What benefit does the cop get from this? Do you really think cops want to give false tickets just to pad their stats? There's enough speeders on the road that cops don't have to do that. Hell, most of the time you have to ignore some speeding violations because you'd drive yourself crazy trying to stop every one of them.  And if you think cops give a damn about how much revenue their city gets, you're very wrong.
 
2013-05-12 06:40:04 AM  

CruiserTwelve: sheep snorter: Laser radar: contest any reading that is not on a tripod. Studies have shown that when it is held freehand or with the gunstock extension, that the officer will lean forward as he pushes the button causing a 3mph rise in the speed reading. Also called the stationary brick wall is moving down the road defense.

Where the officer aims the beam on the vehicle is also important to avoid sudden range shift during the reading.

I've heard these claims a number of times, usually from defense attorneys trying to get people to hire them to fight their tickets. They're not true. I have tried to replicate these claims and cannot do it. If I sweep the laser across a large, stationary object I can sometimes get the laser to show a speed, but it's difficult and the motion is very obvious. If you move the laser even slightly while pointing it at a moving object, you get nothing but an error message.

These type of false claims are the same as the "inaccurate breath testing machine" claims that defense attorneys use to convince people they can beat their ticket in court. Then they go into court and get the same plea deal you could get yourself and claim victory and send you a fat bill.

Besides the physical inability to effect the laser reading, there's the question of "why?" Why would a cop intentionally manipulate a laser to get a false reading? What benefit does the cop get from this? Do you really think cops want to give false tickets just to pad their stats? There's enough speeders on the road that cops don't have to do that. Hell, most of the time you have to ignore some speeding violations because you'd drive yourself crazy trying to stop every one of them.  And if you think cops give a damn about how much revenue their city gets, you're very wrong.


Riiight, and what about overtime for showing up in court and "performance targets"?

2/10
 
2013-05-12 08:10:15 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Why would a cop intentionally manipulate a laser to get a false reading?


End of the month quota needs to be met!
 
2013-05-12 09:47:41 AM  
What is it with farkholes who take such tiny, thin, videos?
 
2013-05-12 10:25:28 AM  

wild9: CruiserTwelve: Why would a cop intentionally manipulate a laser to get a false reading?

End of the month quota needs to be met!


$$$$$$$$

cops gotta eat
 
2013-05-12 12:17:47 PM  

CruiserTwelve: sheep snorter: Laser radar: contest any reading that is not on a tripod. Studies have shown that when it is held freehand or with the gunstock extension, that the officer will lean forward as he pushes the button causing a 3mph rise in the speed reading. Also called the stationary brick wall is moving down the road defense.

Where the officer aims the beam on the vehicle is also important to avoid sudden range shift during the reading.

I've heard these claims a number of times, usually from defense attorneys trying to get people to hire them to fight their tickets. They're not true.


Since CruiserTwelve is a cop, I think the above means that those claims are true.
 
2013-05-12 01:10:51 PM  
Joking/sarcastic or not, if that video is submitted as evidence the ticket has a good chance to be anulled, and the cop getting his ass chewed for saying stupid shiat.
 
2013-05-12 01:44:16 PM  

dynomutt: Riiight, and what about overtime for showing up in court and "performance targets"?

2/10


Most police departments don't have "performance targets." In some states they're even illegal. I imagine there are some that still set quotas but I don't personally know of any. The cops I know are offended at the idea of quotas.

As I said previously, there are enough violators out there that cops don't need to try very hard to write as many tickets as they want. I knew one traffic cop that would go out and write 20 tickets in the first two hours of his shift (because there's 20 tickets in each ticket book) and then goof off the rest of the day. He could have written 100 tickets if he wanted to. Most of the traffic cops chose to pace themselves.

As for court overtime, there are a few cops that don't mind going to court, but the cops that get overtime are going to court on their day off, or during the day while working night shift and they hate it. The money is nice but when you're working graveyard shift the sleep is better.

But defense attorneys need to eat to, so go ahead and believe their advertising gimmicks. They'll tell you they can prove the laser was inaccurate or the cop was using it wrong, then they'll go into court and get a plea bargain down to a two point violation and claim victory and send you a bill. The same thing would have happened if you went to court without a lawyer.
 
2013-05-12 02:03:18 PM  

Saberus Terras: Joking/sarcastic or not, if that video is submitted as evidence the ticket has a good chance to be anulled, and the cop getting his ass chewed for saying stupid shiat.


Judging by their comparatively different accents, my guess is the driver "ain't from around those parts". To contest a ticket, you have to appear in a courtroom in the municipality where it was issued, which means the driver takes a couple days off from work to drive/fly to whatever bumfart county he was passing through to fight a ticket that was probably less than $100. Even if he wins, he loses.

And the LEOs issuing these tickets know it.
 
2013-05-12 02:25:26 PM  

Saberus Terras: Joking/sarcastic or not, if that video is submitted as evidence the ticket has a good chance to be anulled, and the cop getting his ass chewed for saying stupid shiat.


This. No matter if the driver was being a smart ass or not, the cop doesn't get to be sarcastic in return. That was very unprofessional.
 
2013-05-12 02:27:01 PM  
Cops should not be out collecting taxes anyways. That is not the job they are supposed to be doing. They are supposed to stop crime. This country needs to fire 80% of its cops , and put the rest on actual crime stopping duties instead of tax collection. First order of business for the remaining 20%? Arrest all the recently fired cops for the years of illegal tax collection.
 
2013-05-12 02:58:31 PM  

Theaetetus: CruiserTwelve: sheep snorter: Laser radar: contest any reading that is not on a tripod. Studies have shown that when it is held freehand or with the gunstock extension, that the officer will lean forward as he pushes the button causing a 3mph rise in the speed reading. Also called the stationary brick wall is moving down the road defense.

Where the officer aims the beam on the vehicle is also important to avoid sudden range shift during the reading.

I've heard these claims a number of times, usually from defense attorneys trying to get people to hire them to fight their tickets. They're not true.

Since CruiserTwelve is a cop, I think the above means that those claims are true.


The only people who could possibly know for sure are defense attorneys or those who read something on the internet right? Because the latter surely know whats what, and the former aren't motivated by money, and definitely not moreso than the cops who are paid a salary and maybe some OT, right?

Now this I fully believe:

Funbags: To contest a ticket, you have to appear in a courtroom in the municipality where it was issued, which means the driver takes a couple days off from work to drive/fly to whatever bumfart county he was passing through to fight a ticket that was probably less than $100. Even if he wins, he loses.

And the LEOs issuing these tickets know it.


I can certainly see a LEO having the incentive to write tickets he knows will slide through if the cop wanted to avoid the courtroom time. I still doubt they would have a need to manufacture a speeding ticket though.
 
2013-05-12 07:52:09 PM  
A couple of comments.

1.  I hate seeing the attitude of "how dare you question me, I am infallible"  You have the right and should question it; there is nothing wrong with it. (see comment below for personal story of officer who did no have radar on)

Imagine if the officer were sued for some offense, do you think he would ask the question if there is evidence of this infraction; I mean the opponent is in fact an officer of the court and so should enjoy the same infallible status.

2.  The officer was completely unprofessional in his answer.  The person asking the question had no tone, no aggressiveness?  Because he did not do so he chose to try and reduce it from "adult - adult" to "child - adult" so he cant try to grab that status....Any officer out there knows what I am talking about.  Those of us who are professionals seek to keep the conversation at 'adult - adult'  The squirrels are the ones who try to push someone into behaving childish so they can pull out the authority side of the job.

3.  The guy should have left it at the admission he did not use his radar, that he guessed it.  That is admissible in court; esp the video.  Don't give him the opportunity to say he was just kidding.

Personal Story:  When I was going to college I was pulled over for speeding, which I was not.  I had driven in front of a state troopers depot; a local cop pulled me over after seeing the out of state tags.  When I asked to see the lock on the radar he pointed out I have no right to see it and he had no intention of showing it.  He made the mistake of getting me out of my car on a hot summer day in texas.  While out I asked again to see it, he said no I was not allowed to....so I walked back to his car anyway - IT WAS NOT EVEN TURNED ON.

When I fought the ticket he actually said on the stand that he turns it off after each stop - the calibration takes 15 min to do (warm up included).  I asked if he had given a speeding ticket with in the 15 min prior to me given one.  He stated no; I had passed him as he finished a stop!  so purgered himself.  I did not point it out right away I would use that in my hip pocket if needed..... as it turns out I did not....I was found not guilty..........so YES ask if they have it on, ask if its calibrated, ask ask ask, its ok, its not anti cop, its not anti-gov, anti-american.
 
2013-05-12 10:43:32 PM  

420Gabriel: Cops should not be out collecting taxes anyways. That is not the job they are supposed to be doing. They are supposed to stop crime. This country needs to fire 80% of its cops , and put the rest on actual crime stopping duties instead of tax collection. First order of business for the remaining 20%? Arrest all the recently fired cops for the years of illegal tax collection.


You certainly don't know much about cops.
 
2013-05-12 11:39:58 PM  
 Riiight, and what about overtime for showing up in court and "performance targets"?

2/10

Most police departments don't have "performance targets." In some states they're even illegal. I imagine there are some that still set quotas but I don't personally know of any. The cops I know are offended at the idea of quotas.


This is a classic example of being technically correct, but leaving an incorrect impression.   Even in states where performance targets are illegal, all governments must have budgets.  By GASB (government accounting rules - differ slightly from generally accepted accounting rules), that budget must include all sources of revenue, one of which is income from traffic tickets.   Since that income reduces the taxes on local voters necessary for the governmental unit to operate, they all are required by law to track budget performance.

A few years ago, Texas looked at removing that entry from county and municipal budget requirements, but the effort failed as they could not figure out a way to set a tax rate which would survive a legal challenge if they failed to include all sources of revenue in the budget.

Whether you call it a performance target, a ticket quota or simply a legally required budget entry, all police departments have a revenue target which they must attempt to meet.
 
2013-05-12 11:59:00 PM  
I didn't really see too much to prove that really was a police officer, but, for argument sake, lets presuppose it is.

There is a method that is used in Massachusetts, which they call "clocking" which basically means the officer drives the limit and if you look like you're exceeding the 10 mph or more over, its generally the minimum grounds for a ticket. Or they just match your speed. They also use mile markers, and aircraft to estimate speed.

It seems to me he could have said "I guessed it" when he meant to say I clocked it.

Either way, there has to be either radar or laser to back up clocking. There is even a place on our speeding tickets for it. Its to the left and above of #3 Oh, and look. ESTIMATED.
www.massrmv.com
 
2013-05-13 03:30:38 AM  

CruiserTwelve: sheep snorter: Laser radar: contest any reading that is not on a tripod. Studies have shown that when it is held freehand or with the gunstock extension, that the officer will lean forward as he pushes the button causing a 3mph rise in the speed reading. Also called the stationary brick wall is moving down the road defense.

Where the officer aims the beam on the vehicle is also important to avoid sudden range shift during the reading.

I've heard these claims a number of times, usually from defense attorneys trying to get people to hire them to fight their tickets. They're not true. I have tried to replicate these claims and cannot do it. If I sweep the laser across a large, stationary object I can sometimes get the laser to show a speed, but it's difficult and the motion is very obvious. If you move the laser even slightly while pointing it at a moving object, you get nothing but an error message.

These type of false claims are the same as the "inaccurate breath testing machine" claims that defense attorneys use to convince people they can beat their ticket in court. Then they go into court and get the same plea deal you could get yourself and claim victory and send you a fat bill.

Besides the physical inability to effect the laser reading, there's the question of "why?" Why would a cop intentionally manipulate a laser to get a false reading? What benefit does the cop get from this? Do you really think cops want to give false tickets just to pad their stats? There's enough speeders on the road that cops don't have to do that. Hell, most of the time you have to ignore some speeding violations because you'd drive yourself crazy trying to stop every one of them.  And if you think cops give a damn about how much revenue their city gets, you're very wrong.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't proper training for speed measuring devices include insuring that the officer can visually estimate the speed of a vehicle within 5mph anyways, and that visual estimation is considered good enough for a conviction in most cases anyways? After all, how many people get charged with going 0-5mph over anyways?
 
2013-05-13 04:16:04 AM  

JPINFV: Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't proper training for speed measuring devices include insuring that the officer can visually estimate the speed of a vehicle within 5mph anyways, and that visual e ...


With radar you're taught to estimate the speed of the vehicle and then use the radar to confirm your estimate. They expect you to be within 5 mph with your estimate. The reason for that is because target identification is crucial with radar and you want to match your visual estimate with the speed shown on the radar to ensure you're clocking to vehicle you think you're clocking. Radar has a much wider beam and will pick up the strongest signal. That can be from the largest or the fastest vehicle within range.

With laser that's not necessary. Laser is more precise, allowing you to select a particular car out of many. You put the red dot on the front of the car and pull the trigger, and it measures the speed of that specific vehicle. They now have lasers that take a picture of the vehicle when the trigger is pulled.
 
2013-05-13 10:32:39 AM  
the reason the cop has no time is because his Owner took all his time.
 
2013-05-13 11:44:22 AM  

CruiserTwelve: 420Gabriel: Cops should not be out collecting taxes anyways. That is not the job they are supposed to be doing. They are supposed to stop crime. This country needs to fire 80% of its cops , and put the rest on actual crime stopping duties instead of tax collection. First order of business for the remaining 20%? Arrest all the recently fired cops for the years of illegal tax collection.

You certainly don't know much about cops.


He would cut the numbers by 80%, but then those 20% would somehow be available for response and crime-stopping?

Speeding tickets and other crap are just things for cops to do while waiting for a crime to occur.  If you take away the "tax collecting" as he calls it (which fwiw, I'd wager most of the nation agrees with the existence of traffic rules and enforcement anyways) then you just have cops spread throughout a state during their shift waiting for crime.  Or he is really stupid and thinks they should all be detectives who can figure out on thursday which husband in the neighborhood is going to beat their wife on friday.  And they should do that with 20% manpower!

I think hearing the word "cop" has a similar effect on some people that having a couple boobs whipped out has on most men: a near-complete shutdown of logic and critical thinking.
 
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