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(NPR)   Mimolette, a pretentious French cheese, gets its distinctive taste from cheese mites that live inside it. The FDA thinks importing cheese with live bugs is dangerous, and for some reason people are upset they can't get French bug cheese   (npr.org) divider line 39
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2013-05-11 02:19:33 PM
8 votes:
Oops. I'm sure they were thinking, "Our entire corn harvest looks like this. Oh, we'll, I guess it's this or starvation."
2013-05-11 02:05:56 PM
5 votes:
Casu marzu is even more vile. Would you like some live, jumping maggots with your rotten cheese? If so, Sardinia is the place for you.
2013-05-11 05:55:15 PM
3 votes:

markie_farkie: Then there's corn smut, or huitlacoche.  Fungus-based disease that infects corn and makes the kernels go all cancerous, crazy, tumorish..

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Gotta wonder who the first person who saw that and thought "Yum" was thinking...


Probably somebody who relied on his corn harvest to be able to eat at all, and when his corn was infected thought "well, it's eat this or starve." and hope it wasn't poisonous, and learned it was edible and at least somewhat palatable.
2013-05-11 02:39:04 PM
3 votes:
Huitlacoche tastes like corn and mushrooms (which, of course, are fungi).

markie_farkie: Gotta wonder who the first person who saw that and thought "Yum" was thinking...


I wonder the same thing about people who rave about "food" from Taco Hell.
Ral
2013-05-11 07:55:33 PM
2 votes:

Cerebral Knievel: and of course, people east sashimi all the time with out issue for the most part, And I can just about eat my own weight in sushi/sashimi in a sitting...


There's a BIG difference with sashimi, however.  In the United States, fish sold for the purpose of being eaten raw (sashimi grade) is required to have undergone a flash-freezing process of a specific type that kills any parasites in it.

Other meats intended to be cooked, such as beef, are not similarly restricted.

Sashimi in this country is a lot safer than people may think.  And yes, this means that your raw sashimi fish has been previously frozen.  It's not the same kind of frozen as sticking it in your freezer, however, which is why it tastes fresh.
2013-05-11 06:50:11 PM
2 votes:

puffy999: Skirl Hutsenreiter: squicked

Maybe "squick" meant something else where I grew up...


I haven't thought of Squicking since Alt.tasteless. Ah memories
pla
2013-05-11 06:39:11 PM
2 votes:
Speaker2Animals : STFU -- there's no way that can possibly be true. WhDaFuq would eat that?

You've never eaten a mushroom?


fusillade762 : YUM!

Never, ever look at your pillow under a microscope.


The One True TheDavid : Try coating some cheddar with dog vomit and then let it sit for a couple years. Somebody somewhere will pronounce it "le roi des fromages," for particular individuals only.

Sounds not all that far off from Kopi Luwak


Seriously folks, what makes cow lactation cool to drink, and if we let it rot in a bag for a while, still okay... But add the same microscopic bugs that cover every square inch of our homes, our beds, our clothes, our bodies; microscopic bugs that don't even eat the cheese or penetrate it - they only eat the fungus that makes the cheese "cheese" - and suddenly we have the FDA banning it and comparisons to dog puke?
2013-05-11 06:15:16 PM
2 votes:

JWideman: What about yogurt? It's full of live bacteria.


Bacteria is very different from mold, much less actual animals moving around in your food.  We have bacteria inside our digestive tracts (often the same kinds that are used in yoghurt).  Not the same for mold and itty bitty arthropods.

Most people have itty bitty arthropods on their skin, but you can actually give someone a bad reaction in rare cases by exposing them to your body's arthropods.  Fun fact:  the arthropods living on your skin are usually descended from whatever was living on your mom's skin when you were born.
2013-05-11 06:12:15 PM
2 votes:

ladyfortuna: I figured the odds were pretty low I'd actually get sick from it


Steak is probably okay. It has relatively small surface area, and comes from a single animal and wasn't processed much between the time it was cut from the primal and the time it was packaged. I'm not sure I'd go tartare, but you're fairly safe so long as the outside of a steak gets hot.

Hamburger... not so much. Tons of surface area, lots of mixing, lots of handling. Overcooked hamburgers suck, and I can totally understand if you don't want the center to hit 165°, but there is a non-trivial risk and the resulting illnesses can be very bad if you're unlucky, so be sure you know what you're doing.

You can do better if you grind your own, or even have the butcher grind it (depending on how clean they keep their equipment), so long as you don't let it sit around for long after grinding; like raw milk a lot of the danger comes not from the initial contamination, but from letting the contaminants sit around and breed. There's still some danger, but it's lower the less time you wait.

/ We could just irradiate food
2013-05-11 05:53:33 PM
2 votes:
How exactly is this cheese pretentious?
2013-05-11 03:48:51 PM
2 votes:
Regulatory overreach?  In my cheese?  Never...

This isn't a case where the mites are a threat to cheeses here (they're already here), this is a case of the FDA making an arbitrary decision for the consumer.  If people KNOW this cheese has mites and are educated on the possible risks, there's no reason why the FDA should ban it.
2013-05-11 02:11:41 PM
2 votes:
Then there's corn smut, or huitlacoche.  Fungus-based disease that infects corn and makes the kernels go all cancerous, crazy, tumorish..

www.mexicoguru.com
www.thesneeze.com

3.bp.blogspot.com

Gotta wonder who the first person who saw that and thought "Yum" was thinking...
2013-05-12 01:43:44 AM
1 votes:
Don't eat commercial mushrooms then.


I can't even bring Norvegia cheese back to the US- it isn't pasteurized.

And Kinder Eggs- totally illegal in the US.
2013-05-12 12:15:15 AM
1 votes:

Tanthalas39: RexTalionis: Nabb1: Oops. I'm sure they were thinking, "Our entire corn harvest looks like this. Oh, we'll, I guess it's this or starvation."

Americans today have the luxury of throwing away food willy nilly. Most people elsewhere don't.

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Citation? It may be just a single case, but I bet this kid would have eaten funny-looking corn had he been given the opportunity:

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2013-05-11 10:30:01 PM
1 votes:

ladyfortuna: I was in fact shocked when I ordered a burger medium-rare at a local restaurant recently and it was freakin' squishy in the middle. Since I fear sending things back to the kitchen and they probably would have made it into a hockey puck anyway, I sucked it up and ate it. My dad has told me stories about loving steak tartare at some restaurant in Cleveland in the 70s, so I figured the odds were pretty low I'd actually get sick from it. It was pretty tasty, but it was a very odd sensation.


Rare cuts of steak are one thing. Rare ground beef is far riskier just due to how it's made and the increased risk of something gross being in there. You gotta cook that sh*t. Not well-done, but at least to a good internal temp.

Come after my rare NY strip though, and I'll cut ya.

/in some states it's technically illegal for a restaurant to cook a burger below a certain temp. South Carolina was one of them when I went to school there in the 90s. Others won't do it just for liability reasons.
//however, no one seems to have a problem with raw oysters, which I eat at least weekly.
2013-05-11 07:54:40 PM
1 votes:

durbnpoisn: If you took the time to look through the electron microscope pictures of what is already in your mouth, belly, swimming over your eyes, living in your pillow, etc etc... you probably would be mortified.

Well, be mortified.  Because these little tiny monsters have been here for longer than us.  And we couldn't live 2 minutes without them.  I'm afraid you are just going to have to deal with it.


I'll never forget college biology freshman year. Professor is going over bacteria, and how they are on your skin, in your mouth, gut, etc. and how you need them to survive.

Dumb ass cheerleader type chick says loudly, "Not in MY body!"

Teacher looked at her like she was a fool for a moment, then stated that she must not be alive then, and resumed teaching.
2013-05-11 07:26:43 PM
1 votes:

Cerebral Knievel: ladyfortuna: slayer199: Regulatory overreach?  In my cheese?  Never...

This isn't a case where the mites are a threat to cheeses here (they're already here), this is a case of the FDA making an arbitrary decision for the consumer.  If people KNOW this cheese has mites and are educated on the possible risks, there's no reason why the FDA should ban it.

They don't like restaurants serving super rare beef either though, although I don't think it's outright banned. Just strongly discouraged.

I was in fact shocked when I ordered a burger medium-rare at a local restaurant recently and it was freakin' squishy in the middle. Since I fear sending things back to the kitchen and they probably would have made it into a hockey puck anyway, I sucked it up and ate it. My dad has told me stories about loving steak tartare at some restaurant in Cleveland in the 70s, so I figured the odds were pretty low I'd actually get sick from it. It was pretty tasty, but it was a very odd sensation.

As long as the meat is fresh and the animal wasn't sick at the time of butchering, there shouldn't be an issue of getting sick from eating most undercooked in this day and age

steak tartare is made with extremely lean ground beef mixed with various herbs, and usually presented with a raw egg cracked in the middle that the consumer will muddle with the rest of the meat..

visiting my oma in Germany as a child.. that was one of the things I loved to eat at grammas house.

the Ex had a thing about raw meat though... I think there may have been an underlining issue with anema somewhere there, but when ever I deboned chicken thighs she would make me save the bones so she could pick at the meat I left behind... raw hamburger, as long as it wasn't from a tube.. .

tubed ground beer tends to be more of the.... Mechanically separated chicken of ground beef..

if you are going to prepare the stuff, get a meat grinder, and grind it yourself from trusted meat.


and of course, people east sashimi all the ti ...


Food processing assumes you will kill the bugs through cooking. I remember reading about how the Royal Zoo in Spain lost their newly acquired lions to food poisoning after they were fed a diet of only the finest American beef. In Europe you can expect to eat raw meat and eggs without catching some disease and they were shocked when the American source basically shrugged and said that if you don't cook it thoroughly of course you are going to get sick because modern practices inherently produce contaminated food. Granted this was a while ago but I have never ever thought that it would be safe to eat any meat or dairy produced by the US food industry without thorough cooking, pasteurization or other processing.

/raised by a chemist in the food industry
//dinner conversation usually revolved around the quality control failings inherent in the system
///we raised a LOT of food ourselves and got meat from relatives who had their own old-timey herd
////lot of gardening and canning when I was young
2013-05-11 07:16:57 PM
1 votes:

darwinpolice: markie_farkie: Then there's corn smut, or huitlacoche.  Fungus-based disease that infects corn and makes the kernels go all cancerous, crazy, tumorish..

[www.mexicoguru.com image 800x600]
[www.thesneeze.com image 300x345]

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 792x586]

Gotta wonder who the first person who saw that and thought "Yum" was thinking...

That is the most disgusting-looking crap ever, but I've had it in Mexican dishes in New Mexico a couple of times and it's actually kind of tasty.

I think the first person ever to look at a lobster and think "Yes, that should go in my belly" must've been the hungriest person in the history of hunger.


Fun fact: through the 18th century, lobster was seen as only fit for prisoners and the poor to eat.
2013-05-11 06:42:24 PM
1 votes:
People squicked out by this have obviously never seen images of what's living on their own skin. (Or the skin of people they put their mouths on.)

Does it infect our produce? Is it hazardous to the public? Then let the people who want to eat it eat it and pass it by if you're squeamish.
2013-05-11 06:34:12 PM
1 votes:

markie_farkie: Then there's corn smut, or huitlacoche.  Fungus-based disease that infects corn and makes the kernels go all cancerous, crazy, tumorish..

[www.mexicoguru.com image 800x600]
[www.thesneeze.com image 300x345]

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 792x586]

Gotta wonder who the first person who saw that and thought "Yum" was thinking...


Probably: "Oh thank God I'm only going to get sick and not starve to death!"
2013-05-11 06:11:35 PM
1 votes:

LandOfChocolate: The One True TheDavid: LandOfChocolate:

How exactly is this cheese pretentious?

Actually it's the people who cultivate a taste for it that are pretentious.

So its now pretentious to enjoy cheese?


Cheese, no. Cheese bugs, yes.

Try coating some cheddar with dog vomit and then let it sit for a couple years. Somebody somewhere will pronounce it "le roi des  fromages," for particular individuals only.
2013-05-11 06:08:45 PM
1 votes:

eraser8: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Casu marzu is even more vile. Would you like some live, jumping maggots with your rotten cheese? If so, Sardinia is the place for you.

Yep.  Exactly what I came to post.

Take a look at this stuff: Casu marzu.


I wonder if that would go well with cicada?
2013-05-11 06:06:01 PM
1 votes:

Speaker2Animals: markie_farkie: Then there's corn smut, or huitlacoche.  Fungus-based disease that infects corn and makes the kernels go all cancerous, crazy, tumorish..

[www.mexicoguru.com image 800x600]
[www.thesneeze.com image 300x345]

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 792x586]

Gotta wonder who the first person who saw that and thought "Yum" was thinking...

STFU -- there's no way that can possibly be true. WhDaFuq would eat that?


"Corn crop is farked.   We either eat this or starve."

Google three month fish...
2013-05-11 05:59:53 PM
1 votes:

markie_farkie: Then there's corn smut, or huitlacoche.  Fungus-based disease that infects corn and makes the kernels go all cancerous, crazy, tumorish..






Gotta wonder who the first person who saw that and thought "Yum" was thinking...


It's likely a case of "it's the only thing available to eat" when shiat like starts

/then it becomes gourmet
//if people want to eat mites, I say let 'em
2013-05-11 05:59:17 PM
1 votes:

LandOfChocolate: How exactly is this cheese pretentious?


It's French.
2013-05-11 05:58:34 PM
1 votes:

LandOfChocolate: How exactly is this cheese pretentious?


It insists upon itself.
2013-05-11 05:57:54 PM
1 votes:

Speaker2Animals: markie_farkie: Then there's corn smut, or huitlacoche.  Fungus-based disease that infects corn and makes the kernels go all cancerous, crazy, tumorish..

[www.mexicoguru.com image 800x600]
[www.thesneeze.com image 300x345]

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 792x586]

Gotta wonder who the first person who saw that and thought "Yum" was thinking...

STFU -- there's no way that can possibly be true. WhDaFuq would eat that?


Me. In fact, I seek out Mexican places that serve it. It's like the best mushroom on Earth.
2013-05-11 05:47:46 PM
1 votes:

markie_farkie: Then there's corn smut, or huitlacoche.  Fungus-based disease that infects corn and makes the kernels go all cancerous, crazy, tumorish..

[www.mexicoguru.com image 800x600]
[www.thesneeze.com image 300x345]

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 792x586]

Gotta wonder who the first person who saw that and thought "Yum" was thinking...


That is the most disgusting-looking crap ever, but I've had it in Mexican dishes in New Mexico a couple of times and it's actually kind of tasty.

I think the first person ever to look at a lobster and think "Yes, that should go in my belly" must've been the hungriest person in the history of hunger.
2013-05-11 05:47:04 PM
1 votes:
What about yogurt? It's full of live bacteria.
2013-05-11 05:43:40 PM
1 votes:

antidisestablishmentarianism: markie_farkie: Then there's corn smut, or huitlacoche.  Fungus-based disease that infects corn and makes the kernels go all cancerous, crazy, tumorish..

[www.mexicoguru.com image 800x600]
[www.thesneeze.com image 300x345]

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 792x586]

Gotta wonder who the first person who saw that and thought "Yum" was thinking...

You can eat that? I saw that happen to corn crops around here last summer and I never thought it would be something edible.


It is actually considered a delicacy. Some farmers in Mexico intentionally try and infect their crops with it. Supposedly, it tastes somewhat like a truffle. Just google "mexican truffle."
2013-05-11 04:28:48 PM
1 votes:
Frumunder cheese imports still OK?
2013-05-11 03:34:27 PM
1 votes:

markie_farkie: Then there's corn smut, or huitlacoche.  Fungus-based disease that infects corn and makes the kernels go all cancerous, crazy, tumorish..

[www.mexicoguru.com image 800x600]
[www.thesneeze.com image 300x345]

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 792x586]

Gotta wonder who the first person who saw that and thought "Yum" was thinking...


You can eat that? I saw that happen to corn crops around here last summer and I never thought it would be something edible.
2013-05-11 02:33:43 PM
1 votes:

whither_apophis: Speaker2Animals: markie_farkie: Then there's corn smut, or huitlacoche.  Fungus-based disease that infects corn and makes the kernels go all cancerous, crazy, tumorish..

[www.mexicoguru.com image 800x600]
[www.thesneeze.com image 300x345]

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 792x586]

Gotta wonder who the first person who saw that and thought "Yum" was thinking...

STFU -- there's no way that can possibly be true. WhDaFuq would eat that?

This guy http://www.thesneeze.com/steve-dont-eat-it/




this guy
2013-05-11 02:33:04 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: Oops. I'm sure they were thinking, "Our entire corn harvest looks like this. Oh, we'll, I guess it's this or starvation."


That's what I was thinking, too

/maybe after a week or so without food...
2013-05-11 02:30:04 PM
1 votes:

Speaker2Animals: markie_farkie: Then there's corn smut, or huitlacoche.  Fungus-based disease that infects corn and makes the kernels go all cancerous, crazy, tumorish..

[www.mexicoguru.com image 800x600]
[www.thesneeze.com image 300x345]

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 792x586]

Gotta wonder who the first person who saw that and thought "Yum" was thinking...

STFU -- there's no way that can possibly be true. WhDaFuq would eat that?


This guy http://www.thesneeze.com/steve-dont-eat-it/
2013-05-11 02:27:42 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: Oops. I'm sure they were thinking, "Our entire corn harvest looks like this. Oh, we'll, I guess it's this or starvation."


Americans today have the luxury of throwing away food willy nilly. Most people elsewhere don't.
2013-05-11 02:20:08 PM
1 votes:
That's it. I hate doing this on an iPad.
2013-05-11 02:18:10 PM
1 votes:

markie_farkie: Then there's corn smut, or huitlacoche.  Fungus-based disease that infects corn and makes the kernels go all cancerous, crazy, tumorish..

[www.mexicoguru.com image 800x600]
[www.thesneeze.com image 300x345]

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 792x586]

Gotta wonder who the first person who saw that and thought "Yum" was thinking...

2013-05-11 02:16:33 PM
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Casu marzu is even more vile. Would you like some live, jumping maggots with your rotten cheese? If so, Sardinia is the place for you.


Yep.  Exactly what I came to post.

Take a look at this stuff: Casu marzu.
 
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