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(SFGate)   Pennsylvania has some beautiful farm land, but don't take any pictures because that's about to become a felony   (sfgate.com) divider line 30
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2013-05-11 04:07:30 PM  
12 votes:

downstairs: I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem. I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.


Then prosecute and punish them for trespassing.  See, that's already against the law.
2013-05-11 04:09:40 PM  
5 votes:
Rather than address the issues of abuse in industrial farming, you simply make a felony to keep it from being exposed.

Like the cops trying to prevent themselves from being filmed abusing people rather than punish the bad cops.

WTF.
2013-05-11 01:59:14 PM  
4 votes:
TFA: Rep. Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill, said the law would protect farmers from animal-rights activists who trespass or gain entry under false pretenses, take misleading footage, then publish it online without context.

I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem.  I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.
2013-05-11 12:26:29 PM  
4 votes:

make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.


who cares? if it's not the second amendment, it's fair game.
2013-05-11 04:44:08 PM  
3 votes:
This bill, without a doubt, is about protecting fracking companies, and nothing else! They (fracking) would love nothing more than to protect themselves from all oversight. The state legislature all the way to Corbett are in love with the campaign money the frackers have thrown at them to get bills passed in their favor.
2013-05-11 04:26:45 PM  
3 votes:
If y'all t'aint got nothin' to hide, why worry?
2013-05-11 04:22:57 PM  
3 votes:

downstairs: TFA: Rep. Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill, said the law would protect farmers from animal-rights activists who trespass or gain entry under false pretenses, take misleading footage, then publish it online without context.

I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem.  I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.


This law is meant to go after animal rights activists who pose as employees and then use hidden cameras to film animal abuse.
2013-05-11 01:50:13 PM  
3 votes:

DON.MAC: Does the congresscritter know that rules like that can get his state's produce put on "banned for sale" lists in many countries?


Doesn't matter. It's more important to protect corporations from being held accountable to law. And if their produce gets banned in foreign countries they can just blame foreigners for attack them economically.
2013-05-11 04:43:05 PM  
2 votes:
#1 One California town is actually considering making it illegal to smoke in your own backyard.
#2 In Louisiana, a church was recently ordered to stop giving out waterbecause it did not have a permit to do so.
#3 In the United States it is illegal to operate a train that does not have an "F"painted on the front.  Apparently without that "F" we all might not know where the front of the train is.
#4 In many U.S. states is it now illegal to collect rain that falls from the sky on to your own property.
#5 In America today it is illegal to milk your cow and sell the milk to your neighbor.  If you do this, there is a good chance that federal agents will raid your home at the crack of dawn.
#6 In Washington D.C. it is illegal not to recycle cat litter.
#7 It is illegal to give a tour of the monuments in Washington D.C. without a license.
#8 In the United States it is illegal to sell natural cures for cancer - even if they work.
#9 In the state of Massachusetts it is illegal to deface a milk carton.
#10 In the state of Alabama, bear wrestling is completely illegal.
#11 In Fairbanks, Alaska it is illegal to give alcoholic beverages to a moose.
#12 In Lake Elmo, Minnesota it is illegal to sell pumpkins or Christmas trees that are grown outside city limits.
#13 There is a federal law that makes it illegal to be "annoying" on the Internet.
#14 If you register with a false name on MySpace or Facebook you could potentially "spend five years in federal prison".
#15 In Hazelwood, Missouri it is illegal for little girls to sell girl scout cookies in the front yards of their own homes.
#16 All over the United States lemonade stands run by children are being shut down because they do not have the proper permits.
#17 In Florida, it is illegal to bring a plastic butter knife to school.
#18 In San Juan Capistrano, California it is illegal to hold a home Bible study without a "conditional use permit".
#19 In the city of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania it is illegal to make even a single dollar from a blog unless you buy a $300 business license.

Everything Is Illegal
2013-05-11 04:28:55 PM  
2 votes:
Where's PETA when they could actually do some good?

But anyway, yeah, this won't pass muster.  You can charge someone with trespassing, and you can even sue them for libel if they publish something UNTRUE about your company- however, you CANNOT prosecute someone for publishing what goes on in your company without making them sign a contract first.  And even then, you can't get them for telling authorities that you're doing something illegal.
2013-05-11 04:28:48 PM  
2 votes:

Cup_O_Jo: THANKS PETA---This is all because of PETA. farkers.


I don't like PETA either, but rather than curb the bad behavior, they prevent it from being reported.

That's f*cked up.
2013-05-11 04:11:33 PM  
2 votes:
Can't see this holding up in court.

Although it will cost the first victims a lot of money.
2013-05-11 04:08:39 PM  
2 votes:
FTFA:
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"The folks who (oppose) this legislation disagree with how animals are raised," Hurd said. "If they had their way, we'd only be eating lettuce and rice, and the animals would roam the country freely."

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 And lo, the gates of Hell were opened, and I did gaze upon the many afflictions there.
2013-05-11 01:03:34 PM  
2 votes:
Does the congresscritter know that rules like that can get his state's produce put on "banned for sale" lists in many countries?
2013-05-11 11:56:38 AM  
2 votes:
That's a bunch of bullsh*t
2013-05-11 06:14:26 PM  
1 votes:

downstairs: TFA: Rep. Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill, said the law would protect farmers from animal-rights activists who trespass or gain entry under false pretenses, take misleading footage, then publish it online without context.

I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem.  I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.


If only there were existing laws on the books for tresspassing
2013-05-11 06:00:19 PM  
1 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: Everything Is Illegal


About at the 27:10 mark a cop is being filmed and acts absolutely correct.  "My name is ---, badge number ---" etc.  If I'm going to get a ticket, that's the kind of cop I want to get it from.  We need more like that.  Good cops are far too rare.
2013-05-11 05:32:53 PM  
1 votes:
That is quite literally the dumbest idea I've read anything about all day. Why doesn't Haluska just take the rest of this session off and let lobbyists do his entire job instead of just telling him what legislation to introduce.
2013-05-11 05:29:01 PM  
1 votes:
Pictures  = information = power.

Naturally, some people have a problem with you seizing power from them.
2013-05-11 05:14:38 PM  
1 votes:

Aeonite: How many ways are there to move a cow?


Lots, but I always found they'd follow me anywhere so long as I held out a handful of cow-chow for them. Place the chow on the ground and shoot the cow in the brain between the horns with a .22 while their head it down (they drop like a 1000 lb bag of jello). Butcher cow...eat tasty, tasty cow. Rinse, repeat.
2013-05-11 05:05:21 PM  
1 votes:

make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.


Doubt it. The farms are private property after all. Here in NC our legislature already rammed through a similar bill that criminalizes any farm employee who becomes a whistleblower; this stops activists from getting hired on at a farm with the purpose of documenting the animal or safety abuses that take place there.

Of course, there's nothing stopping private citizens or the media or inspectors from visiting these farms, but don't expect to just drop in on a moment's notice and you certainly won't have the run of the place. Plus, if the media or visitors try to record anything, you'll get run off the farm pretty fast. As for the inspectors, well, defunding the state inspection agency and allowing the governor to fire anyone at will instead of giving them the right to a hearing and appeal means they aren't going to be visiting the factory farms all that often anyway (and probably schedule their 30 minute visit 2 weeks in advance too).

/Koch brothers getting their agenda advanced
//one state legislature at a time
2013-05-11 04:52:56 PM  
1 votes:

Oldiron_79: vudutek: make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.

who cares? if it's not the second amendment, it's fair game.

Cons only care about the 2nd and libs only care about the 1st if its for porn, otherwise they try and opress it harder than the cons do.


Cons care about the 1st amendment as well, they just interpret it a little differently. Instead of "freedom of religion", it's "freedom to be whichever flavor of Christianity you want".
2013-05-11 04:32:56 PM  
1 votes:

Witty_Retort: Or Republicans trying to stop the census bureau from taking information that shows the economy (for the wealthy) improving


Or when pattern-legislation dominated legislatures put in appropriations to block a public referendum.
2013-05-11 04:30:25 PM  
1 votes:
It's about time. Inhumane treatment of animals was starting to get a bad rap.
2013-05-11 04:26:06 PM  
1 votes:
other states have areas where it's illegal to feed the hungry homeless humans. no surprise some politicians don't care if animals suffer.

calling out what someone intends to do with a photo image or recorded motion images is right out of a bad Tom Cruise movie. stop future crime before it happens - only you can help.
2013-05-11 04:21:29 PM  
1 votes:

pxlboy: Rather than address the issues of abuse in industrial farming, you simply make a felony to keep it from being exposed.

Like the cops trying to prevent themselves from being filmed abusing people rather than punish the bad cops.

WTF.


Or Republicans trying to stop the census bureau from taking information that shows the economy (for the wealthy) improving
2013-05-11 04:16:32 PM  
1 votes:
It's Pennsylvania. If you are going to abuse a goat or something, just take it into a men's locker room and nobody will say a word.
2013-05-11 04:13:01 PM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: downstairs: I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem. I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.

Then prosecute and punish them for trespassing.  See, that's already against the law.


Yep, and the way the article portrays the law, you couldn't use a telephoto lens from the road either, even though you're not trespassing.
2013-05-11 04:11:35 PM  
1 votes:
Just what we need more laws to create criminals. More laws to damage the First Amendment. Way to go, Pennsyltucky.
2013-05-11 12:04:46 PM  
1 votes:
Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.
 
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