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2013-05-11 11:56:38 AM
That's a bunch of bullsh*t
 
2013-05-11 12:04:46 PM
Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.
 
2013-05-11 12:26:29 PM

make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.


who cares? if it's not the second amendment, it's fair game.
 
2013-05-11 01:03:34 PM
Does the congresscritter know that rules like that can get his state's produce put on "banned for sale" lists in many countries?
 
2013-05-11 01:50:13 PM

DON.MAC: Does the congresscritter know that rules like that can get his state's produce put on "banned for sale" lists in many countries?


Doesn't matter. It's more important to protect corporations from being held accountable to law. And if their produce gets banned in foreign countries they can just blame foreigners for attack them economically.
 
2013-05-11 01:59:14 PM
TFA: Rep. Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill, said the law would protect farmers from animal-rights activists who trespass or gain entry under false pretenses, take misleading footage, then publish it online without context.

I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem.  I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.
 
2013-05-11 04:05:24 PM
Nope, can't see how this could POSSIBLY be abused!
 
2013-05-11 04:07:30 PM

downstairs: I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem. I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.


Then prosecute and punish them for trespassing.  See, that's already against the law.
 
2013-05-11 04:08:39 PM
FTFA:
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"The folks who (oppose) this legislation disagree with how animals are raised," Hurd said. "If they had their way, we'd only be eating lettuce and rice, and the animals would roam the country freely."

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 And lo, the gates of Hell were opened, and I did gaze upon the many afflictions there.
 
2013-05-11 04:09:40 PM
Rather than address the issues of abuse in industrial farming, you simply make a felony to keep it from being exposed.

Like the cops trying to prevent themselves from being filmed abusing people rather than punish the bad cops.

WTF.
 
2013-05-11 04:11:33 PM
Can't see this holding up in court.

Although it will cost the first victims a lot of money.
 
2013-05-11 04:11:35 PM
Just what we need more laws to create criminals. More laws to damage the First Amendment. Way to go, Pennsyltucky.
 
2013-05-11 04:11:47 PM

vudutek: make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.

who cares? if it's not the second amendment, it's fair game.


Cons only care about the 2nd and libs only care about the 1st if its for porn, otherwise they try and opress it harder than the cons do.
 
2013-05-11 04:12:13 PM

phamwaa: FTFA:
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"The folks who (oppose) this legislation disagree with how animals are raised," Hurd said. "If they had their way, we'd only be eating lettuce and rice, and the animals would roam the country freely."

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 And lo, the gates of Hell were opened, and I did gaze upon the many afflictions there.


I had a chuckle at that quote too.  What an idiot.
 
2013-05-11 04:12:52 PM
The law should be the same as it is for personal property, like your house.  So whatever those standards are should apply to businesses.  Private property is private property.

I don't know if this means you can take photos over fences, etc. or not.  And trespassing is trespassing, regardless of motivation, but would not apply to whistleblowers.
 
2013-05-11 04:13:01 PM

Satanic_Hamster: downstairs: I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem. I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.

Then prosecute and punish them for trespassing.  See, that's already against the law.


Yep, and the way the article portrays the law, you couldn't use a telephoto lens from the road either, even though you're not trespassing.
 
2013-05-11 04:13:54 PM
I'd like to see some photos of huuuge tracts of land.
 
2013-05-11 04:15:24 PM
I, for one, welcome our corporate overlords
 
2013-05-11 04:15:30 PM
And what about Google street view or Google Earth? I'd like to see them try to prosecute there.
 
2013-05-11 04:16:32 PM
It's Pennsylvania. If you are going to abuse a goat or something, just take it into a men's locker room and nobody will say a word.
 
2013-05-11 04:20:30 PM
Just another addition to the many existing "Cheeseburger laws". Though, these are more common in the midwest.
 
2013-05-11 04:21:29 PM

pxlboy: Rather than address the issues of abuse in industrial farming, you simply make a felony to keep it from being exposed.

Like the cops trying to prevent themselves from being filmed abusing people rather than punish the bad cops.

WTF.


Or Republicans trying to stop the census bureau from taking information that shows the economy (for the wealthy) improving
 
2013-05-11 04:22:57 PM

downstairs: TFA: Rep. Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill, said the law would protect farmers from animal-rights activists who trespass or gain entry under false pretenses, take misleading footage, then publish it online without context.

I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem.  I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.


This law is meant to go after animal rights activists who pose as employees and then use hidden cameras to film animal abuse.
 
2013-05-11 04:24:11 PM

phamwaa: FTFA:
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"The folks who (oppose) this legislation disagree with how animals are raised," Hurd said. "If they had their way, we'd only be eating lettuce and rice, and the animals would roam the country freely."

--------------------------------
 And lo, the gates of Hell were opened, and I did gaze upon the many afflictions there.


Wow... that is one giant strawman.  I wonder if it is illegal to take pictures of?

/Omnivore that disagrees with how most animals in the US are raised.
 
2013-05-11 04:25:47 PM
THANKS PETA---This is all because of PETA. farkers.
 
2013-05-11 04:26:06 PM
other states have areas where it's illegal to feed the hungry homeless humans. no surprise some politicians don't care if animals suffer.

calling out what someone intends to do with a photo image or recorded motion images is right out of a bad Tom Cruise movie. stop future crime before it happens - only you can help.
 
2013-05-11 04:26:45 PM
If y'all t'aint got nothin' to hide, why worry?
 
2013-05-11 04:28:48 PM

Cup_O_Jo: THANKS PETA---This is all because of PETA. farkers.


I don't like PETA either, but rather than curb the bad behavior, they prevent it from being reported.

That's f*cked up.
 
2013-05-11 04:28:55 PM
Where's PETA when they could actually do some good?

But anyway, yeah, this won't pass muster.  You can charge someone with trespassing, and you can even sue them for libel if they publish something UNTRUE about your company- however, you CANNOT prosecute someone for publishing what goes on in your company without making them sign a contract first.  And even then, you can't get them for telling authorities that you're doing something illegal.
 
2013-05-11 04:29:06 PM
FTA:
'Look, this guy's dragging a cow on a chain with a tractor.' Well, there aren't too many ways of moving a cow.

Is the cow alive? Then you shouldnt be dragging it.
 
2013-05-11 04:30:25 PM
It's about time. Inhumane treatment of animals was starting to get a bad rap.
 
2013-05-11 04:31:22 PM
Rob Hurd, you are an idiot and a liar.
 
2013-05-11 04:32:17 PM

KrispyKritter: other states have areas where it's illegal to feed the hungry homeless humans.


Are there areas where it is legal to feed homeless humans to the hungry?
 
2013-05-11 04:32:56 PM

Witty_Retort: Or Republicans trying to stop the census bureau from taking information that shows the economy (for the wealthy) improving


Or when pattern-legislation dominated legislatures put in appropriations to block a public referendum.
 
2013-05-11 04:32:56 PM

kidgenius: KrispyKritter: other states have areas where it's illegal to feed the hungry homeless humans.

Are there areas where it is legal to feed homeless humans to the hungry?


notsureifserious.jpg
 
2013-05-11 04:34:09 PM

bborchar: Where's PETA when they could actually do some good?

But anyway, yeah, this won't pass muster.  You can charge someone with trespassing, and you can even sue them for libel if they publish something UNTRUE about your company- however, you CANNOT prosecute someone for publishing what goes on in your company without making them sign a contract first.  And even then, you can't get them for telling authorities that you're doing something illegal.


Sorry, but truth isn't an ultimate defense against libel/slander.  You can be found guilty of libel/slander even if what you said was true.

This whole thing came about because certain political powers that be have money in this industry and they're afraid it might not be completely clean.  The idea that it is a FELONY is absolutely retarded, because felonies were specifically meant to be for violent/dangerous/brutal people.  Like if I punch you in the face it isn't a felony.  If I take your wallet and steal your money, it may not be a felony.  If I stab you, that's a felony.  That's right...same kind of crime as taking a picture of a farm.  Yep, that's justice right there.
 
2013-05-11 04:34:27 PM

phamwaa: FTFA:
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"The folks who (oppose) this legislation disagree with how animals are raised," Hurd said. "If they had their way, we'd only be eating lettuce and rice, and the animals would roam the country freely."

--------------------------------
 And lo, the gates of Hell were opened, and I did gaze upon the many afflictions there.




Animal-Rights Activists Release 71,000 Cows Into Wild

PRAIRIE DU CHIEN, WI-Members of the radical group Animal Liberation Front swept through a 900-square-mile region of Western Wisconsin Monday, freeing an estimated 71,000 cows from their human captors.

"These cows are finally free to run wild through the wilderness," said ski-masked ALF member "Brent," loosing a 200-head Guernsey herd from Milk-Rite Dairy in Reedsburg. "No creature should have to live in servitude to humans."

Within hours of the cows' release, police departments throughout the area began receiving reports of bovine fatalities.

"We've been getting calls all night long," Viroqua police chief Dale Chambers said. "So far, 43 cows have been hit by cars, 11 have fallen off bridges and drowned, and three have been electrocuted from chewing on power lines."

Among the 71,000 freed cows were 450 Jerseys from the Cumberland Dairy Farm near Prairie du Chien, liberated by a team of activists in a midnight raid. The cows were loaded onto trucks, then transported 100 miles north and freed in a forest clearing, where, as of press time, all 450 were standing around eating grass.

The long-distance transport of the Cumberland cows was deemed necessary in light of an event last August, when 80 Milking Shorthorns were released from the Miklewski farm in Beloit, only to wander back into their pens the next day.

"It was the greatest thrill of my life to have personally broken the padlock on the gate that cruelly held these cows," Animal Liberation Front member Ross Kreutzman said. "As long as I live, I'll never forget the lazy, sluggish look in those cows' eyes as I shoved them through the gate with all my might."

Animal activists are hailing the raid as a major victory for cows' rights.

"Cows do not belong in dairy farmers' pens. They belong out in the wilderness, where they may run free with the wolves and bears," PETA spokesperson Linda McCune said. "This raid was an important first step toward returning the proud, majestic cow to its natural environs."
 
2013-05-11 04:36:20 PM

make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.


It's private land.  If it were public land there would be a first amendment issue.
 
2013-05-11 04:36:30 PM
Well that's one way to make all agricultural products from your state get boycotted. Not sure why you would want that but hey I guess that is why I'm not an elected official.

Think I'm joking?  All major German supermarkets have banned live lobster sales because they think that dropping a giant under sea spider into a pot of boiling water is cruelty.   http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2013/03/18/nb-germa n y-lobster-730.html

Animal rights groups are some of the oldest protest movements currently operating. They have experience organization and numbers. I don't think pissing them off is the best way to sell your food.
 
2013-05-11 04:37:09 PM
Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill, said the law would protect farmers from animal-rights activists

DAMN REPUBLICANS ALWAYS IN THE POCKET OF BIG BUSINES... hang on, what?

That's like having a Republican wanting to ban guns... *mind assplode*
 
2013-05-11 04:37:29 PM

pxlboy: kidgenius: KrispyKritter: other states have areas where it's illegal to feed the hungry homeless humans.

Are there areas where it is legal to feed homeless humans to the hungry?

notsureifserious.jpg


i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-11 04:38:56 PM

downstairs: TFA: Rep. Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill, said the law would protect farmers from animal-rights activists who trespass or gain entry under false pretenses, take misleading footage, then publish it online without context.

I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem.  I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.


yet for some reason
tresspassing is not a felony
(unless u get caught vandalizing or stealing)

this is tresspassing with a camera

similar to
cops want privacy while beating you
 
2013-05-11 04:41:38 PM
If only we had somebody bigger than life that could help us fight the corporate overlords against abuse and corruption:

images.starpulse.com
 
2013-05-11 04:43:05 PM
#1 One California town is actually considering making it illegal to smoke in your own backyard.
#2 In Louisiana, a church was recently ordered to stop giving out waterbecause it did not have a permit to do so.
#3 In the United States it is illegal to operate a train that does not have an "F"painted on the front.  Apparently without that "F" we all might not know where the front of the train is.
#4 In many U.S. states is it now illegal to collect rain that falls from the sky on to your own property.
#5 In America today it is illegal to milk your cow and sell the milk to your neighbor.  If you do this, there is a good chance that federal agents will raid your home at the crack of dawn.
#6 In Washington D.C. it is illegal not to recycle cat litter.
#7 It is illegal to give a tour of the monuments in Washington D.C. without a license.
#8 In the United States it is illegal to sell natural cures for cancer - even if they work.
#9 In the state of Massachusetts it is illegal to deface a milk carton.
#10 In the state of Alabama, bear wrestling is completely illegal.
#11 In Fairbanks, Alaska it is illegal to give alcoholic beverages to a moose.
#12 In Lake Elmo, Minnesota it is illegal to sell pumpkins or Christmas trees that are grown outside city limits.
#13 There is a federal law that makes it illegal to be "annoying" on the Internet.
#14 If you register with a false name on MySpace or Facebook you could potentially "spend five years in federal prison".
#15 In Hazelwood, Missouri it is illegal for little girls to sell girl scout cookies in the front yards of their own homes.
#16 All over the United States lemonade stands run by children are being shut down because they do not have the proper permits.
#17 In Florida, it is illegal to bring a plastic butter knife to school.
#18 In San Juan Capistrano, California it is illegal to hold a home Bible study without a "conditional use permit".
#19 In the city of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania it is illegal to make even a single dollar from a blog unless you buy a $300 business license.

Everything Is Illegal
 
2013-05-11 04:44:08 PM
This bill, without a doubt, is about protecting fracking companies, and nothing else! They (fracking) would love nothing more than to protect themselves from all oversight. The state legislature all the way to Corbett are in love with the campaign money the frackers have thrown at them to get bills passed in their favor.
 
2013-05-11 04:44:14 PM

vudutek: make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.

who cares? if it's not the second amendment, it's fair game.


Correction:

All of the Constitutional amendments have been repeatedly trampled except the third. I don't know why people even mention the Constitution since it is widely ignored by the U.S. legal system.
 
2013-05-11 04:44:20 PM

Repo Man: phamwaa: FTFA:
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"The folks who (oppose) this legislation disagree with how animals are raised," Hurd said. "If they had their way, we'd only be eating lettuce and rice, and the animals would roam the country freely."

--------------------------------
 And lo, the gates of Hell were opened, and I did gaze upon the many afflictions there.



Animal-Rights Activists Release 71,000 Cows Into Wild

PRAIRIE DU CHIEN, WI-Members of the radical group Animal Liberation Front swept through a 900-square-mile region of Western Wisconsin Monday, freeing an estimated 71,000 cows from their human captors.

"These cows are finally free to run wild through the wilderness," said ski-masked ALF member "Brent," loosing a 200-head Guernsey herd from Milk-Rite Dairy in Reedsburg. "No creature should have to live in servitude to humans."

Within hours of the cows' release, police departments throughout the area began receiving reports of bovine fatalities.

"We've been getting calls all night long," Viroqua police chief Dale Chambers said. "So far, 43 cows have been hit by cars, 11 have fallen off bridges and drowned, and three have been electrocuted from chewing on power lines."

Among the 71,000 freed cows were 450 Jerseys from the Cumberland Dairy Farm near Prairie du Chien, liberated by a team of activists in a midnight raid. The cows were loaded onto trucks, then transported 100 miles north and freed in a forest clearing, where, as of press time, all 450 were standing around eating grass.

The long-distance transport of the Cumberland cows was deemed necessary in light of an event last August, when 80 Milking Shorthorns were released from the Miklewski farm in Beloit, only to wander back into their pens the next day.

"It was the greatest thrill of my life to have personally broken the padlock on the gate that cruelly held these cows," Animal Liberation Front member Ross Kreutzman said. "As long as I live, I'll never forget the lazy, sluggish look in those cows' eyes as I shoved them through the gate with all my might."

Animal activists are hailing the raid as a major victory for cows' rights.

"Cows do not belong in dairy farmers' pens. They belong out in the wilderness, where they may run free with the wolves and bears," PETA spokesperson Linda McCune said. "This raid was an important first step toward returning the proud, majestic cow to its natural environs."


ALF are domestic terrorists.
 
2013-05-11 04:47:10 PM

phamwaa: FTFA:
--------------------------------
"The folks who (oppose) this legislation disagree with how animals are raised," Hurd said. "If they had their way, we'd only be eating lettuce and rice, and the animals would roam the country freely."

--------------------------------
 And lo, the gates of Hell were opened, and I did gaze upon the many afflictions there.


Isn't this exactly what Rick Santorum warned us would happen if we turned our backs on the traditional definition of dinner?
 
2013-05-11 04:49:01 PM

make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.


The Tennessee Attorney General has stated that the version that passed the Tennessee legislator by one vote, and is sitting on the governor's desk, is constitutionally suspect.  Given the TN Attorney General's opinion that any version would be constitutionally suspect.

Video tape was recently used to capture and expose a huge amount of animal abuse in connection with the Tennessee Walking Horse competition.  The soring and beating of walking horses is apparently nearly industry wide.  It's telling when inspectors show up at the competitions to check for horse shoring competitors pack up their horses and leave.  Horse soring is the act of placing chemicals on a horses legs then wrapping them in plastic to cause the walking horse pain and this pain causes the horses to walk with a high gait, which is called the big lick.

The trainers abuse the horses by hitting them with hammers and boards so they will not move when inspectors touch their legs after being sored.  (video link - graphic)  There were several convictions recently here in Tennessee in federal court, and other pending in state court, as a result of that linked video.  All of the federal court defendants that were charged plead guilty.  Sadly none received any jail or prison time.

It is not cheap to own, train, or show Tennessee Walking Horses, so many in Tennessee believe that the Tennessee version of the Agg-Gag bill is a result of a lot of rich people wanting to be sure that this manner of animal treatment doesn't get any more exposure and they can continue with business as usual.

The thought that after all of this that our governor is still considering this bill is pretty sick.

What is even more sick is other states are considering and appear to be ready to pass similar legislation.
 
2013-05-11 04:49:03 PM

Astorix: ALF are domestic terrorists.


sighroll.com
 
2013-05-11 04:50:06 PM
Ah Pennsylvania - whe it's a felony to audio/video record the police in public.

F that state.
 
2013-05-11 04:50:28 PM

kidgenius: FTA:
'Look, this guy's dragging a cow on a chain with a tractor.' Well, there aren't too many ways of moving a cow.

Is the cow alive? Then you shouldnt be dragging it.


Yep. People have been moving cattle for thousands of years without dragging them.

And of it's dead then no one will care.
 
2013-05-11 04:50:33 PM

JeffreyScott: make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.

The Tennessee Attorney General has stated that the version that passed the Tennessee legislator by one vote, and is sitting on the governor's desk, is constitutionally suspect.  Given the TN Attorney General's opinion that any version would be constitutionally suspect.

Video tape was recently used to capture and expose a huge amount of animal abuse in connection with the Tennessee Walking Horse competition.  The soring and beating of walking horses is apparently nearly industry wide.  It's telling when inspectors show up at the competitions to check for horse shoring competitors pack up their horses and leave.  Horse soring is the act of placing chemicals on a horses legs then wrapping them in plastic to cause the walking horse pain and this pain causes the horses to walk with a high gait, which is called the big lick.

The trainers abuse the horses by hitting them with hammers and boards so they will not move when inspectors touch their legs after being sored.  (video link - graphic)  There were several convictions recently here in Tennessee in federal court, and other pending in state court, as a result of that linked video.  All of the federal court defendants that were charged plead guilty.  Sadly none received any jail or prison time.

It is not cheap to own, train, or show Tennessee Walking Horses, so many in Tennessee believe that the Tennessee version of the Agg-Gag bill is a result of a lot of rich people wanting to be sure that this manner of animal treatment doesn't get any more exposure and they can continue with business as usual.

The thought that after all of this that our governor is still considering this bill is pretty sick.

What is even more sick is other states are considering and appear to be ready to pass similar legislation.


o_O
 
2013-05-11 04:52:56 PM

Oldiron_79: vudutek: make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.

who cares? if it's not the second amendment, it's fair game.

Cons only care about the 2nd and libs only care about the 1st if its for porn, otherwise they try and opress it harder than the cons do.


Cons care about the 1st amendment as well, they just interpret it a little differently. Instead of "freedom of religion", it's "freedom to be whichever flavor of Christianity you want".
 
2013-05-11 04:53:14 PM
Oldiron_79:
Cons only care about the 2nd and libs only care about the 1st if its for porn, otherwise they try and opress it harder than the cons do.

Both sides you say? Which should I vote for?
 
2013-05-11 04:58:12 PM
The key issue: This ban is being proposed as a work-around of the first amendment. The line of reasoning for creating this legislation is ABSURD.

This kind of thing is why my friend's child was abused by his mother for over a decade in the state of Iowa. Photographic evidence be damned (context was not needed in those pictures), the father was the one threatened by the police for taking said photos (from the street, through an open door, in his own house [that he was NOT restrained from entering, legally]).
 
2013-05-11 04:58:28 PM
Wow. This law is written almost as poorly and is as stupid as the law where LA tried to ban rave music.
 
2013-05-11 04:58:31 PM
Oldiron_79:

Cons only care about the 2nd and libs only care about the 1st if its for porn, otherwise they try and opress it harder than the cons do.

So if I'm reading you correctly, you're suggesting that we can all find common ground with videos of hot naked chicks shooting machine guns?

(I was going to google up some links for effect, but I knew that I'd just get distracted and never finish this post.)
 
2013-05-11 04:59:29 PM

Clemkadidlefark: #1 One California town is actually considering making it illegal to smoke in your own backyard.
#2 In Louisiana, a church was recently ordered to stop giving out waterbecause it did not have a permit to do so.
#3 In the United States it is illegal to operate a train that does not have an "F"painted on the front.  Apparently without that "F" we all might not know where the front of the train is.
#4 In many U.S. states is it now illegal to collect rain that falls from the sky on to your own property.
#5 In America today it is illegal to milk your cow and sell the milk to your neighbor.  If you do this, there is a good chance that federal agents will raid your home at the crack of dawn.
#6 In Washington D.C. it is illegal not to recycle cat litter.
#7 It is illegal to give a tour of the monuments in Washington D.C. without a license.
#8 In the United States it is illegal to sell natural cures for cancer - even if they work.
#9 In the state of Massachusetts it is illegal to deface a milk carton.
#10 In the state of Alabama, bear wrestling is completely illegal.
#11 In Fairbanks, Alaska it is illegal to give alcoholic beverages to a moose.
#12 In Lake Elmo, Minnesota it is illegal to sell pumpkins or Christmas trees that are grown outside city limits.
#13 There is a federal law that makes it illegal to be "annoying" on the Internet.
#14 If you register with a false name on MySpace or Facebook you could potentially "spend five years in federal prison".
#15 In Hazelwood, Missouri it is illegal for little girls to sell girl scout cookies in the front yards of their own homes.
#16 All over the United States lemonade stands run by children are being shut down because they do not have the proper permits.
#17 In Florida, it is illegal to bring a plastic butter knife to school.
#18 In San Juan Capistrano, California it is illegal to hold a home Bible study without a "conditional use permit".
#19 In the city of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania it is illegal to make even a single dollar ...


Oh man, you mean there is a natural cure for cancer and big ole meany gubbermint shut down the honest hard working individual trying to sell it?  Those jerks, never letting cancer be cured.  They ought to put this stuff in a newsletter or some email distribution format.
 
2013-05-11 04:59:41 PM

mcmiller: Oldiron_79:

Cons only care about the 2nd and libs only care about the 1st if its for porn, otherwise they try and opress it harder than the cons do.

So if I'm reading you correctly, you're suggesting that we can all find common ground with videos of hot naked chicks shooting machine guns?

(I was going to google up some links for effect, but I knew that I'd just get distracted and never finish this post.)




Then I suppose you shouldn't watch this video (somewhat NSFW)
 
2013-05-11 04:59:54 PM

99.998er: It's Pennsylvania. If you are going to abuse a goat or something, just take it into a men's locker room and nobody will say a word.


Don't you mean a kid?
 
2013-05-11 05:01:05 PM
Oh, and this kind of thing is a start.

What about farm co-ops? What about community gardens? What about not-for-profit farms? Does one's home garden count? Can I not take a picture of a man slaughtering pets on his own property?
 
2013-05-11 05:01:42 PM

mcmiller: Oldiron_79:

Cons only care about the 2nd and libs only care about the 1st if its for porn, otherwise they try and opress it harder than the cons do.

So if I'm reading you correctly, you're suggesting that we can all find common ground with videos of hot naked chicks shooting machine guns?

(I was going to google up some links for effect, but I knew that I'd just get distracted and never finish this post.)


Now that is some change we can all beleive in.
 
2013-05-11 05:02:25 PM

Astorix: Just what we need more laws to create criminals. More laws to damage the First Amendment. Way to go, Pennsyltucky.


The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Ayn Rand
 
2013-05-11 05:04:31 PM

Paintbox: Astorix: Just what we need more laws to create criminals. More laws to damage the First Amendment. Way to go, Pennsyltucky.

The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Ayn Rand


That is the single most insightful thing she ever wrote.
 
2013-05-11 05:05:21 PM

make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.


Doubt it. The farms are private property after all. Here in NC our legislature already rammed through a similar bill that criminalizes any farm employee who becomes a whistleblower; this stops activists from getting hired on at a farm with the purpose of documenting the animal or safety abuses that take place there.

Of course, there's nothing stopping private citizens or the media or inspectors from visiting these farms, but don't expect to just drop in on a moment's notice and you certainly won't have the run of the place. Plus, if the media or visitors try to record anything, you'll get run off the farm pretty fast. As for the inspectors, well, defunding the state inspection agency and allowing the governor to fire anyone at will instead of giving them the right to a hearing and appeal means they aren't going to be visiting the factory farms all that often anyway (and probably schedule their 30 minute visit 2 weeks in advance too).

/Koch brothers getting their agenda advanced
//one state legislature at a time
 
2013-05-11 05:05:55 PM

karmaceutical: Oh man, you mean there is a natural cure for cancer and big ole meany gubbermint shut down the honest hard working individual trying to sell it? Those jerks, never letting cancer be cured. They ought to put this stuff in a newsletter or some email distribution format.


ask him about vaccines, I dare yah.
 
2013-05-11 05:09:02 PM

Astorix: Repo Man: phamwaa: FTFA:
--------------------------------
"The folks who (oppose) this legislation disagree with how animals are raised," Hurd said. "If they had their way, we'd only be eating lettuce and rice, and the animals would roam the country freely."
--------------------------------
 And lo, the gates of Hell were opened, and I did gaze upon the many afflictions there.

Animal-Rights Activists Release 71,000 Cows Into Wild

PRAIRIE DU CHIEN, WI-Members of the radical group Animal Liberation Front swept through a 900-square-mile region of Western Wisconsin Monday, freeing an estimated 71,000 cows from their human captors.

"These cows are finally free to run wild through the wilderness," said ski-masked ALF member "Brent," loosing a 200-head Guernsey herd from Milk-Rite Dairy in Reedsburg. "No creature should have to live in servitude to humans."

Within hours of the cows' release, police departments throughout the area began receiving reports of bovine fatalities.
...
The long-distance transport of the Cumberland cows was deemed necessary in light of an event last August, when 80 Milking Shorthorns were released from the Miklewski farm in Beloit, only to wander back into their pens the next day.

"It was the greatest thrill of my life to have personally broken the padlock on the gate that cruelly held these cows," Animal Liberation Front member Ross Kreutzman said. "As long as I live, I'll never forget the lazy, sluggish ...


ALF are domestic terrorists.

Repo Man, I just knew you'd catch someone. Well played! :^)
 
2013-05-11 05:09:47 PM
Clemkadidlefark:
#1 One California town is actually considering making it illegal to smoke in your own backyard.

This actually does make sense. California has a massive problem with forest fires; many people's "back yard" is a part of or adjacent to a forested area.

/besides, drug addicts should stay out of sight
 
2013-05-11 05:10:11 PM
How many ways are there to move a cow?
 
2013-05-11 05:11:17 PM

Aeonite: How many ways are there to move a cow?


southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2013-05-11 05:12:04 PM
pxlboy:

mcmiller: (I was going to google up some links for effect, but I knew that I'd just get distracted and never finish this post.)

Then I suppose you shouldn't watch this video (somewhat NSFW)



That is a rediculous amount of awesome right there.
 
2013-05-11 05:12:26 PM
The state officials who gave you Jerry Sandusky and Puppy Mills don't want you peering onto a farm where small animals or children are being raised. After all, that guy in neighboring Cleveland is spilling the beans and people might start looking at his farm.

It's a desperate attempt to lasso the lucrative sex tourism business which has recently been going offshore.
 
2013-05-11 05:12:41 PM

mcmiller: pxlboy:

mcmiller: (I was going to google up some links for effect, but I knew that I'd just get distracted and never finish this post.)

Then I suppose you shouldn't watch this video (somewhat NSFW)

That is a rediculous amount of awesome right there.


I thought so. That is one of the best music videos ever made.
 
2013-05-11 05:12:46 PM

Beta Tested: phamwaa: FTFA:
--------------------------------
"The folks who (oppose) this legislation disagree with how animals are raised," Hurd said. "If they had their way, we'd only be eating lettuce and rice, and the animals would roam the country freely."

--------------------------------
 And lo, the gates of Hell were opened, and I did gaze upon the many afflictions there.

Wow... that is one giant strawman.  I wonder if it is illegal to take pictures of?

/Omnivore that disagrees with how most animals in the US are raised.


It's not entirely a straw man. The people in the HSUS are crazy animal righters. They're pretty much what you'd expect PETA to be if they had money and political clout.
That being said, I'm not so trusting as to believe this bill is purely designed to protect farmers from the abuses of nutjob documentarians.
 
2013-05-11 05:14:38 PM

Aeonite: How many ways are there to move a cow?


Lots, but I always found they'd follow me anywhere so long as I held out a handful of cow-chow for them. Place the chow on the ground and shoot the cow in the brain between the horns with a .22 while their head it down (they drop like a 1000 lb bag of jello). Butcher cow...eat tasty, tasty cow. Rinse, repeat.
 
2013-05-11 05:15:09 PM

DON.MAC: Does the congresscritter know that rules like that can get his state's produce put on "banned for sale" lists in many countries?


[citation needed]

Not because I don't believe you, but because I'd like to see who's on one of those lists.
 
2013-05-11 05:19:17 PM
OBEY YOUR FARMING OVERLORDS
 
2013-05-11 05:22:47 PM
The first person prosecuted will be some tourist taking a picture of a barn.
 
2013-05-11 05:23:33 PM

downstairs: TFA: Rep. Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill, said the law would protect farmers from animal-rights activists who trespass or gain entry under false pretenses, take misleading footage, then publish it online without context.

I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem.  I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.


He didn't say it was one of the conditions, he said it could be used to prosecute those sorts of people.

That doesn't stop it from being used to prosecute other sorts of people.
 
2013-05-11 05:29:01 PM
Pictures  = information = power.

Naturally, some people have a problem with you seizing power from them.
 
2013-05-11 05:32:53 PM
That is quite literally the dumbest idea I've read anything about all day. Why doesn't Haluska just take the rest of this session off and let lobbyists do his entire job instead of just telling him what legislation to introduce.
 
2013-05-11 05:36:12 PM

studebaker hoch: Pictures  = information = power.

Naturally, some people have a problem with you seizing power from them.


This is the general idea. The American multinationals (and their pet legislators) aren't interested in accountability (for themselves).
 
2013-05-11 05:36:40 PM
I'm fairly certain the courts have already made it clear that you can take pictures of building without permission so long as you don't trespass when doing so.
 
2013-05-11 05:37:22 PM
IIRC, a similar bill was introduced in the Florida Legislature.  Can't remember whether it passed, or not.

/Florida Tag sings, "Nobody knows, the Trouble I've Seen..."
 
2013-05-11 05:37:31 PM

OgreMagi: I'm fairly certain the courts have already made it clear that you can take pictures of building without permission so long as you don't trespass when doing so.


Yes, but this would apply to employee whistleblowers.

That's kind of the reason people are upset about it.
 
2013-05-11 05:38:04 PM

vudutek: make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.

who cares? if it's not the second amendmentabortion rights or gay marriage, it's fair game.


FTFY
 
2013-05-11 05:38:57 PM

SoupJohnB: IIRC, a similar bill was introduced in the Florida Legislature.  Can't remember whether it passed, or not.

/Florida Tag sings, "Nobody knows, the Trouble I've Seen..."


i.ytimg.com
 
2013-05-11 05:43:01 PM

Clemkadidlefark: #1 One California town is actually considering making it illegal to smoke in your own backyard.
#2 In Louisiana, a church was recently ordered to stop giving out waterbecause it did not have a permit to do so.
#3 In the United States it is illegal to operate a train that does not have an "F"painted on the front.  Apparently without that "F" we all might not know where the front of the train is.
#4 In many U.S. states is it now illegal to collect rain that falls from the sky on to your own property.
#5 In America today it is illegal to milk your cow and sell the milk to your neighbor.  If you do this, there is a good chance that federal agents will raid your home at the crack of dawn.
#6 In Washington D.C. it is illegal not to recycle cat litter.
#7 It is illegal to give a tour of the monuments in Washington D.C. without a license.
#8 In the United States it is illegal to sell natural cures for cancer - even if they work.
#9 In the state of Massachusetts it is illegal to deface a milk carton.
#10 In the state of Alabama, bear wrestling is completely illegal.
#11 In Fairbanks, Alaska it is illegal to give alcoholic beverages to a moose.
#12 In Lake Elmo, Minnesota it is illegal to sell pumpkins or Christmas trees that are grown outside city limits.
#13 There is a federal law that makes it illegal to be "annoying" on the Internet.
#14 If you register with a false name on MySpace or Facebook you could potentially "spend five years in federal prison".
#15 In Hazelwood, Missouri it is illegal for little girls to sell girl scout cookies in the front yards of their own homes.
#16 All over the United States lemonade stands run by children are being shut down because they do not have the proper permits.
#17 In Florida, it is illegal to bring a plastic butter knife to school.
#18 In San Juan Capistrano, California it is illegal to hold a home Bible study without a "conditional use permit".
#19 In the city of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania it is illegal to make even a single dollar from a blog unless you buy a $300 business license.

Everything Is Illegal


What was the quote "everyone is a felon" or was it something along those lines?

/people are dumb, lawmakers are dumber
//also, waiting for whistleblowers that are willing to challenge the system to come forth
///grabs popcorn
 
2013-05-11 05:45:57 PM
meh. i'll obey OWS when they take up arms and shoot the people in power. until then i've got pizza to eat. i'm going back to my pizza and coke. pizza. pizza.
 
2013-05-11 05:46:44 PM
If you are constantly harassed by activist filming your every activity at your farm or hunt club and filing lawsuits and keeping your business in the courts, forcing you to hire expensive lawyers to defend your business, I can see the merit of something like this.

But if I simply stop on the side of the road to take a picture of a cow or llama because I think they're cool and I get run off to jail for doing this, I can see the merit against this kind of law.

Solution: Tort reform where loser pays.   It sucks for the little guy that has to sue a big corporation with deep pockets on a legitimate injury, but stop these non-sense lawsuits that bankrupt legal businesses.

......you'll have no idea how many times I had to "Mooo, mooooo, moooo" to finally get this Longhorn to finally turn his head to look at me.
img33.imageshack.us
 
2013-05-11 05:49:05 PM

Slappy McLongstockings: If y'all t'aint got nothin' to hide, why worry?


Is this small government in action? As in government interested in small cameras?

Or is this nanny state run amok? Whaaaaaah someone filmed my employees routinely and unnecessarily torturing animals and now I'm all butt hurt. Won't somebody please think of the farmers?

Is there some way that a woman's body can be violated in this law too? Mandatory ultrasounds for all women driving past a farm?

Okay, that last one was uncalled for. I retract it.
 
2013-05-11 05:49:50 PM

downstairs: TFA: Rep. Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill, said the law would protect farmers from animal-rights activists who trespass or gain entry under false pretenses, take misleading footage, then publish it online without context.

I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem.  I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.


The bill in question:

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtT yp e=HTM&sessYr=2013&sessInd=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=0683&pn=0770

sub a 1 (ii) needs tweaking because it could be interpreted that any image of a farm taken from anywhere would be off-limits for posting on the internet.  But otherwise, it looks pretty constitutional to me.
 
2013-05-11 05:50:07 PM

Clemkadidlefark: #1 One California town is actually considering making it illegal to smoke in your own backyard.


That's an urban myth. It was one dude that was pissed that his neighbor was smoking and he asked the city council to ban it. They did nothing.
 
2013-05-11 06:00:19 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Everything Is Illegal


About at the 27:10 mark a cop is being filmed and acts absolutely correct.  "My name is ---, badge number ---" etc.  If I'm going to get a ticket, that's the kind of cop I want to get it from.  We need more like that.  Good cops are far too rare.
 
2013-05-11 06:01:52 PM

EdNortonsTwin: Ah Pennsylvania - whe it's a felony to audio/video record the police in public.

F that state.


Not any more.  Federal courts have already ruled the police have no expectation of privacy while going about their duties.
 
2013-05-11 06:03:49 PM

Hrist: bborchar: Where's PETA when they could actually do some good?

But anyway, yeah, this won't pass muster.  You can charge someone with trespassing, and you can even sue them for libel if they publish something UNTRUE about your company- however, you CANNOT prosecute someone for publishing what goes on in your company without making them sign a contract first.  And even then, you can't get them for telling authorities that you're doing something illegal.

Sorry, but truth isn't an ultimate defense against libel/slander.  You can be found guilty of libel/slander even if what you said was true.

This whole thing came about because certain political powers that be have money in this industry and they're afraid it might not be completely clean.  The idea that it is a FELONY is absolutely retarded, because felonies were specifically meant to be for violent/dangerous/brutal people.  Like if I punch you in the face it isn't a felony.  If I take your wallet and steal your money, it may not be a felony.  If I stab you, that's a felony.  That's right...same kind of crime as taking a picture of a farm.  Yep, that's justice right there.


That's true in the UK, but in America truth is a valid defense.
 
2013-05-11 06:12:27 PM

vudutek: make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.

who cares? if it's not the second amendment, it's fair game.


The president has shown no regard to the constitution and the leftist sheep have proven to be ok with it.
 
2013-05-11 06:14:26 PM

downstairs: TFA: Rep. Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill, said the law would protect farmers from animal-rights activists who trespass or gain entry under false pretenses, take misleading footage, then publish it online without context.

I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem.  I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.


If only there were existing laws on the books for tresspassing
 
2013-05-11 06:15:10 PM

OgreMagi: Clemkadidlefark: Everything Is Illegal

About at the 27:10 mark a cop is being filmed and acts absolutely correct.  "My name is ---, badge number ---" etc.  If I'm going to get a ticket, that's the kind of cop I want to get it from.  We need more like that.  Good cops are far too rare.


that cop is in oceanside and has a phat biblical name, too.
 
2013-05-11 06:17:09 PM
Seems fine to me, provided the farm/farmer in question does not receive one f*cking penny of government subsidies.

Your place, your privacy. If we're footing any part of the bill, I think we can have a little look-see.
 
2013-05-11 06:21:02 PM

mod3072: Oldiron_79: vudutek: make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.

who cares? if it's not the second amendment, it's fair game.

Cons only care about the 2nd and libs only care about the 1st if its for porn, otherwise they try and opress it harder than the cons do.

Cons care about the 1st amendment as well, they just interpret it a little differently. Instead of "freedom of religion", it's "freedom to be whichever flavor of Christianity you want".


...and most libs interpret it as "freedom from religion"

/Aren't broad partisan brushes fun?
 
2013-05-11 06:22:07 PM
Rep. Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill
 
2013-05-11 06:27:12 PM

OgreMagi: EdNortonsTwin: Ah Pennsylvania - whe it's a felony to audio/video record the police in public.

F that state.

Not any more.  Federal courts have already ruled the police have no expectation of privacy while going about their duties.


i decided to do more research after my post, and you are right.  However, it looks as tho some of the Penn popo didnt get the memo, and may still be arresting folks.
http://www.aclupa.org/pressroom/aclusettleslawsuitoverarre.htm

As we know, an arrest can be as bad as a conviction
 
2013-05-11 06:30:55 PM

downstairs: TFA: Rep. Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill, said the law would protect farmers from animal-rights activists who trespass or gain entry under false pretenses, take misleading footage, then publish it online without context.

I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem.  I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.


There are already laws against trespassing.
 
2013-05-11 06:36:29 PM

JesusJuice: There are already laws against trespassing.


tell that to the state swat team that stormed my compound and took my guns and drugs away.
 
2013-05-11 06:39:40 PM
sadly, I read this part in the article

"If you're not doing anything wrong, there's nothing to hide."


And I have to say fark you activists.

/shouldn't need to explain it
 
2013-05-11 06:40:19 PM

OgreMagi: EdNortonsTwin: Ah Pennsylvania - whe it's a felony to audio/video record the police in public.

F that state.

Not any more.  Federal courts have already ruled the police have no expectation of privacy while going about their duties.


People still get arrested for using their cameraphones to video police in Chicago.  Recently, even.  It happens quite often.  One case was in the news not too many months ago.

Federal justice is for rich people with the money and time to fight through layer after layer government red tape, delays, and lower courts until they reach the federal level.  The rest of us have to just pay a fine and go back to work.

In Illinois it's still illegal to audio record someone without their knowledge.  The law goes back to the old gangster days before there was any federal law enforcement with teeth.  The politicians didn't want to get recorded taking bribes.  You can tell that the law is antiquated because it only applies to audio.  To this day when Chicago TV stations do "undercover" investigations, they're video only -- no sound -- with subtitles.
 
2013-05-11 06:42:31 PM

Hrist: bborchar: Where's PETA when they could actually do some good?

But anyway, yeah, this won't pass muster.  You can charge someone with trespassing, and you can even sue them for libel if they publish something UNTRUE about your company- however, you CANNOT prosecute someone for publishing what goes on in your company without making them sign a contract first.  And even then, you can't get them for telling authorities that you're doing something illegal.

Sorry, but truth isn't an ultimate defense against libel/slander.  You can be found guilty of libel/slander even if what you said was true.

This whole thing came about because certain political powers that be have money in this industry and they're afraid it might not be completely clean.  The idea that it is a FELONY is absolutely retarded, because felonies were specifically meant to be for violent/dangerous/brutal people.  Like if I punch you in the face it isn't a felony.  If I take your wallet and steal your money, it may not be a felony.  If I stab you, that's a felony.  That's right...same kind of crime as taking a picture of a farm.  Yep, that's justice right there.


Definition of libel/slander:

Any intentional false communication, either written or spoken, that harms a person's reputation; decreases the respect, regard, or confidence in which a person is held; or induces disparaging, hostile, or disagreeable opinions or feelings against a person.

You can't sue someone for saying that you slept with the president for a position in the company if that person can prove that it's true.  The end.
 
2013-05-11 06:54:16 PM

reaperducer: OgreMagi: EdNortonsTwin: Ah Pennsylvania - whe it's a felony to audio/video record the police in public.

F that state.

Not any more.  Federal courts have already ruled the police have no expectation of privacy while going about their duties.

People still get arrested for using their cameraphones to video police in Chicago.  Recently, even.  It happens quite often.  One case was in the news not too many months ago.

Federal justice is for rich people with the money and time to fight through layer after layer government red tape, delays, and lower courts until they reach the federal level.  The rest of us have to just pay a fine and go back to work.

In Illinois it's still illegal to audio record someone without their knowledge.  The law goes back to the old gangster days before there was any federal law enforcement with teeth.  The politicians didn't want to get recorded taking bribes.  You can tell that the law is antiquated because it only applies to audio.  To this day when Chicago TV stations do "undercover" investigations, they're video only -- no sound -- with subtitles.


As I mentioned up-thread, Federal courts have already made it clear that the police have no expectation of privacy when going about their duties.  One of these cases applied specifically to Chicago.  You are now free to record (both audio and video) the police in Illinois. That doesn't mean the police won't harass you and possibly even arrest you.  But if they do, they open themselves up to a fat lawsuit, assuming you aren't killed when you pull out that gun you had along with that kilo of crack they found on your lifeless body.
 
2013-05-11 06:55:25 PM
Too Late.  I grew up on a PA dairy farm 10 miles from where Flight 93 went down, and I have scads of pictures of the place.

/Wish I had a way to host them so I could link to some of them here.
 
2013-05-11 06:56:52 PM

TopoGigo: It's not entirely a straw man. The people in the HSUS are crazy animal righters. They're pretty much what you'd expect PETA to be if they had money and political clout.
That being said, I'm not so trusting as to believe this bill is purely designed to protect farmers from the abuses of nutjob documentarians.


I read that as him saying anyone that opposes the bill is some hippy-dippy Vegan.  It definitely could be out of context, but that was the impression I got.  You can support the exposure of the horrible animal abuses that go on all over US farms and still think eating animals is ethical, suggesting otherwise is a false dichotomy.

I don't know much about the HSUS to be honest, My impression is that they at least do constructive work for animals unlike organizations like PETA.  I never got the impression they were crazy animal righters, but I admittedly don't follow closely.
 
2013-05-11 06:59:02 PM

JesusJuice: downstairs: TFA: Rep. Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill, said the law would protect farmers from animal-rights activists who trespass or gain entry under false pretenses, take misleading footage, then publish it online without context.

I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem.  I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.

There are already laws against trespassing.


And there are already laws against using guns to commit crimes. Too bad that's not good enough any more.

/did you really think the progressives wouldn't do to the first amendment the exact same thing they're doing to the second?
//and the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up, to explain it to us once more
 
2013-05-11 06:59:24 PM
See, it's not always those wrinkled senile ol' trouts with "R" beside their names that SUCK UP to big business when they wave money under their greedy noses.

Corrupt as hell.All of 'em.
 
2013-05-11 07:17:43 PM

reaperducer: OgreMagi: EdNortonsTwin: Ah Pennsylvania - whe it's a felony to audio/video record the police in public.

F that state.

Not any more.  Federal courts have already ruled the police have no expectation of privacy while going about their duties.

People still get arrested for using their cameraphones to video police in Chicago.  Recently, even.  It happens quite often.  One case was in the news not too many months ago.

Federal justice is for rich people with the money and time to fight through layer after layer government red tape, delays, and lower courts until they reach the federal level.  The rest of us have to just pay a fine and go back to work.

In Illinois it's still illegal to audio record someone without their knowledge.  The law goes back to the old gangster days before there was any federal law enforcement with teeth.  The politicians didn't want to get recorded taking bribes.  You can tell that the law is antiquated because it only applies to audio.  To this day when Chicago TV stations do "undercover" investigations, they're video only -- no sound -- with subtitles.


The times, they have passed you by my friend. You're working with old information.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-11-26/news/chi-supreme-court -r ejects-plea-to-prohibit-taping-of-police-20121126_1_cook-and-crawford- counties-police-officers-enforcement
 
2013-05-11 07:27:33 PM

Nemo's Brother: vudutek: make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.

who cares? if it's not the second amendment, it's fair game.

The president has shown no regard to the constitution and the leftist sheep have proven to be ok with it.


:LOL

The President has no jurisdiction over Pennsylvania state law.
 
2013-05-11 07:32:12 PM

bborchar: Hrist: bborchar: Where's PETA when they could actually do some good?

But anyway, yeah, this won't pass muster.  You can charge someone with trespassing, and you can even sue them for libel if they publish something UNTRUE about your company- however, you CANNOT prosecute someone for publishing what goes on in your company without making them sign a contract first.  And even then, you can't get them for telling authorities that you're doing something illegal.

Sorry, but truth isn't an ultimate defense against libel/slander.  You can be found guilty of libel/slander even if what you said was true.

This whole thing came about because certain political powers that be have money in this industry and they're afraid it might not be completely clean.  The idea that it is a FELONY is absolutely retarded, because felonies were specifically meant to be for violent/dangerous/brutal people.  Like if I punch you in the face it isn't a felony.  If I take your wallet and steal your money, it may not be a felony.  If I stab you, that's a felony.  That's right...same kind of crime as taking a picture of a farm.  Yep, that's justice right there.

Definition of libel/slander:

Any intentional false communication, either written or spoken, that harms a person's reputation; decreases the respect, regard, or confidence in which a person is held; or induces disparaging, hostile, or disagreeable opinions or feelings against a person.

You can't sue someone for saying that you slept with the president for a position in the company if that person can prove that it's true.  The end.


It is exceedingly rare, but there have been cases where truth was not a defense to a defamation case.  Usually they involve defendants who, with extreme malice, made particularly egregious statements of an embarrassing nature about victims who weren't particularly public figures.  These situations are on the fringes next to invasion of privacy and tortuous interference with contractual rights.
 
2013-05-11 07:47:04 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: See, it's not always those wrinkled senile ol' trouts with "R" beside their names that SUCK UP to big business when they wave money under their greedy noses.

Corrupt as hell.All of 'em.


And yet some of them have been reelected decade after decade. It's as if you somehow reap what you sow...
 
2013-05-11 07:48:10 PM
I hear they're growing houses in the fields, between the towns.
 
2013-05-11 07:57:52 PM

Clemkadidlefark: #1 One California town is actually considering making it illegal to smoke in your own backyard.


Which town? And they can consider all the goofy laws they want, unless it's for reasons of seasonal fire problems it's pretty much a non issue.

#2 In Louisiana, a church was recently ordered to stop giving out waterbecause it did not have a permit to do so.

If this is the case I'm thinking of (and who knows because they are vague as an urban legend about who what where and when) it was due to problems with the homeless.

#3 In the United States it is illegal to operate a train that does not have an "F"painted on the front.  Apparently without that "F" we all might not know where the front of the train is.

Trains are reversible and it's not always obvious which way they're going to go when they're at a stop.

#4 In many U.S. states is it now illegal to collect rain that falls from the sky on to your own property.

Again if this is due to what I'm thinking, it's because rain water collects in public areas for all of us to use, and when hits the ground enters underground natural resivors (however the fark that's spelled). Some asshat was collecting millions of gallons and storing it on his private land. This was problematic for everyone. I think there was even an article on FARK about it.

#5 In America today it is illegal to milk your cow and sell the milk to your neighbor.  If you do this, there is a good chance that federal agents will raid your home at the crack of dawn.

Raw milk though...right? And perhaps read on the history of milk in this country and pasturization. This isn't a bad law.

#6 In Washington D.C. it is illegal not to recycle cat litter.

Never heard this one, curious as to the reasons.

#7 It is illegal to give a tour of the monuments in Washington D.C. without a license.

In public, in groups for profit. The same as it is in most cities. Biz licenses apply to all. /shrug

#8 In the United States it is illegal to sell natural cures for cancer - even if they work.

This is bullshiat :) All natural cures have to do is prove they work. You know...scientifically. Then it's medicine. But since no 'natural' cures manage this....yeah. THey're illegal and should be.

#9 In the state of Massachusetts it is illegal to deface a milk carton.

This needs more deets.

#10 In the state of Alabama, bear wrestling is completely illegal.

I'm...okay with this? Why is this here? Are some people really upset they can't wrestle bears? Or watch bears wrestle each other? We're talking actual BEARS right, and not large hairy gay men? Because I'm pretty sure that goes on during Fiesta and bear runs...


#11 In Fairbanks, Alaska it is illegal to give alcoholic beverages to a moose.

Seriously who has issues with this? Moose are also pretty dangerous sober. ;)

#12 In Lake Elmo, Minnesota it is illegal to sell pumpkins or Christmas trees that are grown outside city limits.

Don't care.

#13 There is a federal law that makes it illegal to be "annoying" on the Internet.

No, there isn't.

#14 If you register with a false name on MySpace or Facebook you could potentially "spend five years in federal prison".

Depends on the purpose, any time you use a false name with the INTENT to defraud, you can face charges. Sex workers use facebook. No one I know uses their own name in sex work, it's always a stage name. No one is in jail for this.

#15 In Hazelwood, Missouri it is illegal for little girls to sell girl scout cookies in the front yards of their own homes.

It's illegal in a lot of places to conduct a biz in a physical set location without a permit where it's not zoned for that. Girl Scouts are a biz.

#16 All over the United States lemonade stands run by children are being shut down because they do not have the proper permits.

Yeees, and this happened in MOST places because adults were having kids set up perm. stands to make money from tourists. Amish country was farking famous for this, having their kids out there in stands shilling lemonade.

#17 In Florida, it is illegal to bring a plastic butter knife to school.

Florida has bigger problems than this. Much bigger problems than this.

#18 In San Juan Capistrano, California it is illegal to hold a home Bible study without a "conditional use permit".

Dunno the reason but I do know in Southern CA in the last 10 years many locations have similar rules because private 'churches' were running services out of members homes constantly and packing WAAAAY too many people into the same homes week after week. Neighbors do not like this either.

#19 In the city of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania it is illegal to make even a single dollar ...

You make money with a biz, they want you to have their permit. Why is this an issue? Might as well throw a tantrum because if you earn even a single buck doing ANYTHING...tax man wants his due. This is called life. 

I find lists where it mentions silly unenforced laws like you can't whistle while walking a pig on the sidewalk on Sundays far more entertaining.
 
2013-05-11 08:36:46 PM

Fano: I'd like to see some photos of huuuge tracts of land.


Sorry, it burned down, fell over, and sank into the swamp.
 
2013-05-11 08:43:42 PM
More opacity is what we need.
 
2013-05-11 09:09:16 PM

mod3072: Oldiron_79: vudutek: make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.

who cares? if it's not the second amendment, it's fair game.

Cons only care about the 2nd and libs only care about the 1st if its for porn, otherwise they try and opress it harder than the cons do.

Cons care about the 1st amendment as well, they just interpret it a little differently. Instead of "freedom of religion", it's "freedom to be whichever flavor of Christianity you want".


Wait, so ... you're saying libs only care about religious porn?
 
2013-05-11 09:41:36 PM

Carousel Beast: mod3072: Oldiron_79: vudutek: make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.

who cares? if it's not the second amendment, it's fair game.

Cons only care about the 2nd and libs only care about the 1st if its for porn, otherwise they try and opress it harder than the cons do.

Cons care about the 1st amendment as well, they just interpret it a little differently. Instead of "freedom of religion", it's "freedom to be whichever flavor of Christianity you want".

...and most libs interpret it as "freedom from religion"



But since I've been often told that Atheism is a religion, doesn't that mean that freedom FROM religion *is* freedom OF religion?
 
2013-05-11 09:59:41 PM

Lady Indica: Clemkadidlefark:#11 In Fairbanks, Alaska it is illegal to give alcoholic beverages to a moose.


Seriously who has issues with this? Moose are also pretty dangerous sober. ;)

Absolutely.  One bit my sister once.
 
2013-05-11 11:00:56 PM

Aeonite: How many ways are there to move a cow?


Corgis were bred to do it.

/Their short legs let them avoid being kicked while herding.
 
2013-05-11 11:19:36 PM

ciberido: Lady Indica: Clemkadidlefark:#11 In Fairbanks, Alaska it is illegal to give alcoholic beverages to a moose.

Seriously who has issues with this? Moose are also pretty dangerous sober. ;)

Absolutely.  One bit my sister once.


She shouldn't have been carving her initials on it! Besides didn't you get sacked the LAST time you wrote about this? ;)
 
2013-05-11 11:33:11 PM

ciberido: Fano: I'd like to see some photos of huuuge tracts of land.

Sorry, it burned down, fell over, and sank into the swamp.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-11 11:53:28 PM

make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.


The photo law May be crap, but I could totally understand using the photos as evidence of trespassing and prosecute that offense.
 
DYI
2013-05-12 12:01:58 AM
Lady Indica: Clemkadidlefark: #1 One California town is actually considering making it illegal to smoke in your own backyard.

Which town? And they can consider all the goofy laws they want, unless it's for reasons of seasonal fire problems it's pretty much a non issue.


Although it is rarely enforced, San Luis Obispo Made it illegal to smoke anywhere in town except on your own property. If someone complains about about you smoking on public property, the police can give you a ticket.
 
2013-05-12 12:02:20 AM
The supporters of the bill are 100% correct, this DOES protect business owners... ...from having ANY accountability whatsoever.
 
2013-05-12 12:59:21 AM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Can't see this holding up in court.

Although it will cost the first victims a lot of money.


I can. 5-4. Like always.
 
2013-05-12 01:04:28 AM
Did Frank back this bill?
cdn.uproxx.com
 
2013-05-12 01:48:35 AM

Krieghund: Clemkadidlefark: #1 One California town is actually considering making it illegal to smoke in your own backyard.

That's an urban myth. It was one dude that was pissed that his neighbor was smoking and he asked the city council to ban it. They did nothing.


Most of that post is probably myths though some of it makes a little sense. I've never seen an F on the front of a train but it would make sense. There are often locomotives on both ends of a train for various reasons.
 
2013-05-12 01:55:48 AM
"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." -- Thomas Jefferson.

"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." -- Thomas Jefferson.

"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." -- Thomas Jefferson.

"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." -- Thomas Jefferson.

"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." -- Thomas Jefferson.
 
2013-05-12 02:33:35 AM

Carousel Beast: mod3072: Oldiron_79: vudutek: make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.

who cares? if it's not the second amendment, it's fair game.

Cons only care about the 2nd and libs only care about the 1st if its for porn, otherwise they try and opress it harder than the cons do.

Cons care about the 1st amendment as well, they just interpret it a little differently. Instead of "freedom of religion", it's "freedom to be whichever flavor of Christianity you want".

...and most libs interpret it as "freedom from religion"

/Aren't broad partisan brushes fun?


Funny, do you mean liberals or libertarians?

Because as a liberal libertarian atheist, I'm getting a kick.

/fark Christians, they're domestic terrorists
 
2013-05-12 02:50:02 AM
This another attempt to simply close our eyes and ears and go "lallalalalala I can't hear you!"

People should be concerned about their feed animals and who raises them. It doesn't cost much more to be ethical and if you are going the extra mile to be ethical you should expect a higher standard for cleanliness and other things.
 
2013-05-12 08:25:45 AM

pxlboy: Paintbox: Astorix: Just what we need more laws to create criminals. More laws to damage the First Amendment. Way to go, Pennsyltucky.

The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Ayn Rand

That is the single most insightful thing she ever wrote.


Broken clock, etc.
 
2013-05-12 08:58:02 AM

LadySusan: Okay, that last one was uncalled for. I retract it.


If the escort agency is located on a parcel of land zoned for agriculture, then perhaps. However as Penn St. testifies, it may be a football player working his way to A-Team.
 
2013-05-12 09:50:26 AM

Flragnararch: sadly, I read this part in the article

"If you're not doing anything wrong, there's nothing to hide."


And I have to say fark you activists.

/shouldn't need to explain it


You didn't read the article very carefully then. Because that line was also used by a farmer who opposes this legislation.

So...fark you farmers, instead?
 
2013-05-12 10:24:04 AM
Rep. Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill, said the law would protect farmers from animal-rights activists who trespass or gain entry under false pretenses, take misleading footage, then publish it online without context.

There are laws already on the books for this...I know it's hard to weed through the million+ we already have, but they are there.
 
2013-05-12 11:53:44 AM

CruJones: The law should be the same as it is for personal property, like your house.  So whatever those standards are should apply to businesses.   Private property is private property.


The idea that businesses are (or should be) "private" in the same sense as a domicile is naive and foolish.
 
2013-05-12 01:14:36 PM

OgreMagi: EdNortonsTwin: Ah Pennsylvania - whe it's a felony to audio/video record the police in public.

F that state.

Not any more.  Federal courts have already ruled the police have no expectation of privacy while going about their duties.


Oh, they still take cameras away from people that try to tape them. If/when they get them back, anything that was recorded is gone.
 
2013-05-12 07:44:59 PM

Krieghund: That's an urban myth. It was one dude that was pissed that his neighbor was smoking and he asked the city council to ban it. They did nothing.


When I first read a headline saying that the city of Rocklin, California was considering banning residents from smoking outside of their homes on their own property, I was outraged.

Is outraged the new I do not agree with whatever?

/needs to find something to be outraged about
//maybe cold pizza being delivered?
 
2013-05-12 08:44:08 PM

booger42: I hear they're growing houses in the fields, between the towns.


How does one grow a house?
 
2013-05-12 08:52:53 PM

Clemkadidlefark: #3 In the United States it is illegal to operate a train that does not have an "F"painted on the front. Apparently without that "F" we all might not know where the front of the train is.


antiadvertisingagency.com

www.fodors.com

Nope. No F.
 
2013-05-12 10:13:33 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com

People in my state shouldn't be this stupid. You have to remember this guy was our senator at one time. We're doing better.

www.plunderbund.com
 
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