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2013-05-11 11:56:38 AM
That's a bunch of bullsh*t
 
2013-05-11 12:04:46 PM
Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.
 
2013-05-11 12:26:29 PM

make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.


who cares? if it's not the second amendment, it's fair game.
 
2013-05-11 01:03:34 PM
Does the congresscritter know that rules like that can get his state's produce put on "banned for sale" lists in many countries?
 
2013-05-11 01:50:13 PM

DON.MAC: Does the congresscritter know that rules like that can get his state's produce put on "banned for sale" lists in many countries?


Doesn't matter. It's more important to protect corporations from being held accountable to law. And if their produce gets banned in foreign countries they can just blame foreigners for attack them economically.
 
2013-05-11 01:59:14 PM
TFA: Rep. Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill, said the law would protect farmers from animal-rights activists who trespass or gain entry under false pretenses, take misleading footage, then publish it online without context.

I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem.  I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.
 
2013-05-11 04:05:24 PM
Nope, can't see how this could POSSIBLY be abused!
 
2013-05-11 04:07:30 PM

downstairs: I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem. I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.


Then prosecute and punish them for trespassing.  See, that's already against the law.
 
2013-05-11 04:08:39 PM
FTFA:
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"The folks who (oppose) this legislation disagree with how animals are raised," Hurd said. "If they had their way, we'd only be eating lettuce and rice, and the animals would roam the country freely."

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 And lo, the gates of Hell were opened, and I did gaze upon the many afflictions there.
 
2013-05-11 04:09:40 PM
Rather than address the issues of abuse in industrial farming, you simply make a felony to keep it from being exposed.

Like the cops trying to prevent themselves from being filmed abusing people rather than punish the bad cops.

WTF.
 
2013-05-11 04:11:33 PM
Can't see this holding up in court.

Although it will cost the first victims a lot of money.
 
2013-05-11 04:11:35 PM
Just what we need more laws to create criminals. More laws to damage the First Amendment. Way to go, Pennsyltucky.
 
2013-05-11 04:11:47 PM

vudutek: make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.

who cares? if it's not the second amendment, it's fair game.


Cons only care about the 2nd and libs only care about the 1st if its for porn, otherwise they try and opress it harder than the cons do.
 
2013-05-11 04:12:13 PM

phamwaa: FTFA:
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"The folks who (oppose) this legislation disagree with how animals are raised," Hurd said. "If they had their way, we'd only be eating lettuce and rice, and the animals would roam the country freely."

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 And lo, the gates of Hell were opened, and I did gaze upon the many afflictions there.


I had a chuckle at that quote too.  What an idiot.
 
2013-05-11 04:12:52 PM
The law should be the same as it is for personal property, like your house.  So whatever those standards are should apply to businesses.  Private property is private property.

I don't know if this means you can take photos over fences, etc. or not.  And trespassing is trespassing, regardless of motivation, but would not apply to whistleblowers.
 
2013-05-11 04:13:01 PM

Satanic_Hamster: downstairs: I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem. I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.

Then prosecute and punish them for trespassing.  See, that's already against the law.


Yep, and the way the article portrays the law, you couldn't use a telephoto lens from the road either, even though you're not trespassing.
 
2013-05-11 04:13:54 PM
I'd like to see some photos of huuuge tracts of land.
 
2013-05-11 04:15:24 PM
I, for one, welcome our corporate overlords
 
2013-05-11 04:15:30 PM
And what about Google street view or Google Earth? I'd like to see them try to prosecute there.
 
2013-05-11 04:16:32 PM
It's Pennsylvania. If you are going to abuse a goat or something, just take it into a men's locker room and nobody will say a word.
 
2013-05-11 04:20:30 PM
Just another addition to the many existing "Cheeseburger laws". Though, these are more common in the midwest.
 
2013-05-11 04:21:29 PM

pxlboy: Rather than address the issues of abuse in industrial farming, you simply make a felony to keep it from being exposed.

Like the cops trying to prevent themselves from being filmed abusing people rather than punish the bad cops.

WTF.


Or Republicans trying to stop the census bureau from taking information that shows the economy (for the wealthy) improving
 
2013-05-11 04:22:57 PM

downstairs: TFA: Rep. Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill, said the law would protect farmers from animal-rights activists who trespass or gain entry under false pretenses, take misleading footage, then publish it online without context.

I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem.  I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.


This law is meant to go after animal rights activists who pose as employees and then use hidden cameras to film animal abuse.
 
2013-05-11 04:24:11 PM

phamwaa: FTFA:
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"The folks who (oppose) this legislation disagree with how animals are raised," Hurd said. "If they had their way, we'd only be eating lettuce and rice, and the animals would roam the country freely."

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 And lo, the gates of Hell were opened, and I did gaze upon the many afflictions there.


Wow... that is one giant strawman.  I wonder if it is illegal to take pictures of?

/Omnivore that disagrees with how most animals in the US are raised.
 
2013-05-11 04:25:47 PM
THANKS PETA---This is all because of PETA. farkers.
 
2013-05-11 04:26:06 PM
other states have areas where it's illegal to feed the hungry homeless humans. no surprise some politicians don't care if animals suffer.

calling out what someone intends to do with a photo image or recorded motion images is right out of a bad Tom Cruise movie. stop future crime before it happens - only you can help.
 
2013-05-11 04:26:45 PM
If y'all t'aint got nothin' to hide, why worry?
 
2013-05-11 04:28:48 PM

Cup_O_Jo: THANKS PETA---This is all because of PETA. farkers.


I don't like PETA either, but rather than curb the bad behavior, they prevent it from being reported.

That's f*cked up.
 
2013-05-11 04:28:55 PM
Where's PETA when they could actually do some good?

But anyway, yeah, this won't pass muster.  You can charge someone with trespassing, and you can even sue them for libel if they publish something UNTRUE about your company- however, you CANNOT prosecute someone for publishing what goes on in your company without making them sign a contract first.  And even then, you can't get them for telling authorities that you're doing something illegal.
 
2013-05-11 04:29:06 PM
FTA:
'Look, this guy's dragging a cow on a chain with a tractor.' Well, there aren't too many ways of moving a cow.

Is the cow alive? Then you shouldnt be dragging it.
 
2013-05-11 04:30:25 PM
It's about time. Inhumane treatment of animals was starting to get a bad rap.
 
2013-05-11 04:31:22 PM
Rob Hurd, you are an idiot and a liar.
 
2013-05-11 04:32:17 PM

KrispyKritter: other states have areas where it's illegal to feed the hungry homeless humans.


Are there areas where it is legal to feed homeless humans to the hungry?
 
2013-05-11 04:32:56 PM

Witty_Retort: Or Republicans trying to stop the census bureau from taking information that shows the economy (for the wealthy) improving


Or when pattern-legislation dominated legislatures put in appropriations to block a public referendum.
 
2013-05-11 04:32:56 PM

kidgenius: KrispyKritter: other states have areas where it's illegal to feed the hungry homeless humans.

Are there areas where it is legal to feed homeless humans to the hungry?


notsureifserious.jpg
 
2013-05-11 04:34:09 PM

bborchar: Where's PETA when they could actually do some good?

But anyway, yeah, this won't pass muster.  You can charge someone with trespassing, and you can even sue them for libel if they publish something UNTRUE about your company- however, you CANNOT prosecute someone for publishing what goes on in your company without making them sign a contract first.  And even then, you can't get them for telling authorities that you're doing something illegal.


Sorry, but truth isn't an ultimate defense against libel/slander.  You can be found guilty of libel/slander even if what you said was true.

This whole thing came about because certain political powers that be have money in this industry and they're afraid it might not be completely clean.  The idea that it is a FELONY is absolutely retarded, because felonies were specifically meant to be for violent/dangerous/brutal people.  Like if I punch you in the face it isn't a felony.  If I take your wallet and steal your money, it may not be a felony.  If I stab you, that's a felony.  That's right...same kind of crime as taking a picture of a farm.  Yep, that's justice right there.
 
2013-05-11 04:34:27 PM

phamwaa: FTFA:
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"The folks who (oppose) this legislation disagree with how animals are raised," Hurd said. "If they had their way, we'd only be eating lettuce and rice, and the animals would roam the country freely."

--------------------------------
 And lo, the gates of Hell were opened, and I did gaze upon the many afflictions there.




Animal-Rights Activists Release 71,000 Cows Into Wild

PRAIRIE DU CHIEN, WI-Members of the radical group Animal Liberation Front swept through a 900-square-mile region of Western Wisconsin Monday, freeing an estimated 71,000 cows from their human captors.

"These cows are finally free to run wild through the wilderness," said ski-masked ALF member "Brent," loosing a 200-head Guernsey herd from Milk-Rite Dairy in Reedsburg. "No creature should have to live in servitude to humans."

Within hours of the cows' release, police departments throughout the area began receiving reports of bovine fatalities.

"We've been getting calls all night long," Viroqua police chief Dale Chambers said. "So far, 43 cows have been hit by cars, 11 have fallen off bridges and drowned, and three have been electrocuted from chewing on power lines."

Among the 71,000 freed cows were 450 Jerseys from the Cumberland Dairy Farm near Prairie du Chien, liberated by a team of activists in a midnight raid. The cows were loaded onto trucks, then transported 100 miles north and freed in a forest clearing, where, as of press time, all 450 were standing around eating grass.

The long-distance transport of the Cumberland cows was deemed necessary in light of an event last August, when 80 Milking Shorthorns were released from the Miklewski farm in Beloit, only to wander back into their pens the next day.

"It was the greatest thrill of my life to have personally broken the padlock on the gate that cruelly held these cows," Animal Liberation Front member Ross Kreutzman said. "As long as I live, I'll never forget the lazy, sluggish look in those cows' eyes as I shoved them through the gate with all my might."

Animal activists are hailing the raid as a major victory for cows' rights.

"Cows do not belong in dairy farmers' pens. They belong out in the wilderness, where they may run free with the wolves and bears," PETA spokesperson Linda McCune said. "This raid was an important first step toward returning the proud, majestic cow to its natural environs."
 
2013-05-11 04:36:20 PM

make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.


It's private land.  If it were public land there would be a first amendment issue.
 
2013-05-11 04:36:30 PM
Well that's one way to make all agricultural products from your state get boycotted. Not sure why you would want that but hey I guess that is why I'm not an elected official.

Think I'm joking?  All major German supermarkets have banned live lobster sales because they think that dropping a giant under sea spider into a pot of boiling water is cruelty.   http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2013/03/18/nb-germa n y-lobster-730.html

Animal rights groups are some of the oldest protest movements currently operating. They have experience organization and numbers. I don't think pissing them off is the best way to sell your food.
 
2013-05-11 04:37:09 PM
Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill, said the law would protect farmers from animal-rights activists

DAMN REPUBLICANS ALWAYS IN THE POCKET OF BIG BUSINES... hang on, what?

That's like having a Republican wanting to ban guns... *mind assplode*
 
2013-05-11 04:37:29 PM

pxlboy: kidgenius: KrispyKritter: other states have areas where it's illegal to feed the hungry homeless humans.

Are there areas where it is legal to feed homeless humans to the hungry?

notsureifserious.jpg


i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-11 04:38:56 PM

downstairs: TFA: Rep. Gary Haluska, D-Cambria, the primary sponsor of the bill, said the law would protect farmers from animal-rights activists who trespass or gain entry under false pretenses, take misleading footage, then publish it online without context.

I haven't read the bill, but if the bolded part above is one of the conditions, I don't really see a problem.  I'm generally a "first ammendment above all else" guy, and animal abuse sickens me... but you still can't trespass on private property.


yet for some reason
tresspassing is not a felony
(unless u get caught vandalizing or stealing)

this is tresspassing with a camera

similar to
cops want privacy while beating you
 
2013-05-11 04:41:38 PM
If only we had somebody bigger than life that could help us fight the corporate overlords against abuse and corruption:

images.starpulse.com
 
2013-05-11 04:43:05 PM
#1 One California town is actually considering making it illegal to smoke in your own backyard.
#2 In Louisiana, a church was recently ordered to stop giving out waterbecause it did not have a permit to do so.
#3 In the United States it is illegal to operate a train that does not have an "F"painted on the front.  Apparently without that "F" we all might not know where the front of the train is.
#4 In many U.S. states is it now illegal to collect rain that falls from the sky on to your own property.
#5 In America today it is illegal to milk your cow and sell the milk to your neighbor.  If you do this, there is a good chance that federal agents will raid your home at the crack of dawn.
#6 In Washington D.C. it is illegal not to recycle cat litter.
#7 It is illegal to give a tour of the monuments in Washington D.C. without a license.
#8 In the United States it is illegal to sell natural cures for cancer - even if they work.
#9 In the state of Massachusetts it is illegal to deface a milk carton.
#10 In the state of Alabama, bear wrestling is completely illegal.
#11 In Fairbanks, Alaska it is illegal to give alcoholic beverages to a moose.
#12 In Lake Elmo, Minnesota it is illegal to sell pumpkins or Christmas trees that are grown outside city limits.
#13 There is a federal law that makes it illegal to be "annoying" on the Internet.
#14 If you register with a false name on MySpace or Facebook you could potentially "spend five years in federal prison".
#15 In Hazelwood, Missouri it is illegal for little girls to sell girl scout cookies in the front yards of their own homes.
#16 All over the United States lemonade stands run by children are being shut down because they do not have the proper permits.
#17 In Florida, it is illegal to bring a plastic butter knife to school.
#18 In San Juan Capistrano, California it is illegal to hold a home Bible study without a "conditional use permit".
#19 In the city of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania it is illegal to make even a single dollar from a blog unless you buy a $300 business license.

Everything Is Illegal
 
2013-05-11 04:44:08 PM
This bill, without a doubt, is about protecting fracking companies, and nothing else! They (fracking) would love nothing more than to protect themselves from all oversight. The state legislature all the way to Corbett are in love with the campaign money the frackers have thrown at them to get bills passed in their favor.
 
2013-05-11 04:44:14 PM

vudutek: make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.

who cares? if it's not the second amendment, it's fair game.


Correction:

All of the Constitutional amendments have been repeatedly trampled except the third. I don't know why people even mention the Constitution since it is widely ignored by the U.S. legal system.
 
2013-05-11 04:44:20 PM

Repo Man: phamwaa: FTFA:
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"The folks who (oppose) this legislation disagree with how animals are raised," Hurd said. "If they had their way, we'd only be eating lettuce and rice, and the animals would roam the country freely."

--------------------------------
 And lo, the gates of Hell were opened, and I did gaze upon the many afflictions there.



Animal-Rights Activists Release 71,000 Cows Into Wild

PRAIRIE DU CHIEN, WI-Members of the radical group Animal Liberation Front swept through a 900-square-mile region of Western Wisconsin Monday, freeing an estimated 71,000 cows from their human captors.

"These cows are finally free to run wild through the wilderness," said ski-masked ALF member "Brent," loosing a 200-head Guernsey herd from Milk-Rite Dairy in Reedsburg. "No creature should have to live in servitude to humans."

Within hours of the cows' release, police departments throughout the area began receiving reports of bovine fatalities.

"We've been getting calls all night long," Viroqua police chief Dale Chambers said. "So far, 43 cows have been hit by cars, 11 have fallen off bridges and drowned, and three have been electrocuted from chewing on power lines."

Among the 71,000 freed cows were 450 Jerseys from the Cumberland Dairy Farm near Prairie du Chien, liberated by a team of activists in a midnight raid. The cows were loaded onto trucks, then transported 100 miles north and freed in a forest clearing, where, as of press time, all 450 were standing around eating grass.

The long-distance transport of the Cumberland cows was deemed necessary in light of an event last August, when 80 Milking Shorthorns were released from the Miklewski farm in Beloit, only to wander back into their pens the next day.

"It was the greatest thrill of my life to have personally broken the padlock on the gate that cruelly held these cows," Animal Liberation Front member Ross Kreutzman said. "As long as I live, I'll never forget the lazy, sluggish look in those cows' eyes as I shoved them through the gate with all my might."

Animal activists are hailing the raid as a major victory for cows' rights.

"Cows do not belong in dairy farmers' pens. They belong out in the wilderness, where they may run free with the wolves and bears," PETA spokesperson Linda McCune said. "This raid was an important first step toward returning the proud, majestic cow to its natural environs."


ALF are domestic terrorists.
 
2013-05-11 04:47:10 PM

phamwaa: FTFA:
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"The folks who (oppose) this legislation disagree with how animals are raised," Hurd said. "If they had their way, we'd only be eating lettuce and rice, and the animals would roam the country freely."

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 And lo, the gates of Hell were opened, and I did gaze upon the many afflictions there.


Isn't this exactly what Rick Santorum warned us would happen if we turned our backs on the traditional definition of dinner?
 
2013-05-11 04:49:01 PM

make me some tea: Um, that has to be unconstitutional somewhere.


The Tennessee Attorney General has stated that the version that passed the Tennessee legislator by one vote, and is sitting on the governor's desk, is constitutionally suspect.  Given the TN Attorney General's opinion that any version would be constitutionally suspect.

Video tape was recently used to capture and expose a huge amount of animal abuse in connection with the Tennessee Walking Horse competition.  The soring and beating of walking horses is apparently nearly industry wide.  It's telling when inspectors show up at the competitions to check for horse shoring competitors pack up their horses and leave.  Horse soring is the act of placing chemicals on a horses legs then wrapping them in plastic to cause the walking horse pain and this pain causes the horses to walk with a high gait, which is called the big lick.

The trainers abuse the horses by hitting them with hammers and boards so they will not move when inspectors touch their legs after being sored.  (video link - graphic)  There were several convictions recently here in Tennessee in federal court, and other pending in state court, as a result of that linked video.  All of the federal court defendants that were charged plead guilty.  Sadly none received any jail or prison time.

It is not cheap to own, train, or show Tennessee Walking Horses, so many in Tennessee believe that the Tennessee version of the Agg-Gag bill is a result of a lot of rich people wanting to be sure that this manner of animal treatment doesn't get any more exposure and they can continue with business as usual.

The thought that after all of this that our governor is still considering this bill is pretty sick.

What is even more sick is other states are considering and appear to be ready to pass similar legislation.
 
2013-05-11 04:49:03 PM

Astorix: ALF are domestic terrorists.


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