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2013-05-11 11:53:19 AM
A vegan with a sandy vagina.  How novel.
 
2013-05-11 11:56:30 AM
It's not only "very disturbing for a longtime vegan to unknowingly eat animal flesh," said Gene Bauer, president of animal protection organization Farm Sanctuary and one of the most well-known vegans in the country. "There could also be some health issues for someone who hasn't eaten animal flesh for a longtime because our stomachs aren't used to it."

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2013-05-11 11:57:10 AM
This seems to fall under the "that sucks, mistakes happen" category of thing.
 
2013-05-11 12:06:21 PM

DamnYankees: This seems to fall under the "that sucks, mistakes happen" category of thing.


Clearly, grounds for a multi-million dollar lawsuit.
 
2013-05-11 12:21:21 PM
OH NOES!!1

/I don't have much sympathy, I've had a medication recalled before because it contained twice the active ingredient it should have
//bonus points: active ingredient was amphetamine
///*high as a kite and didn't know why*
////this is nothing compared to sh*t like that
 
2013-05-11 12:43:13 PM
Oh, Jesus Christ. Is it too much to ask that you look at what you're shoving don your throat before you put it in your mouth? It wouldn't be even a little bit hard to see that there was chicken, eggs, or whatever else you're farking retarded about, thus enabling you to avoid eating it.
 
2013-05-11 12:58:30 PM
I have to agree with anyone complaining about mislabeled food.  It doesn't matter why a person doesn't want to eat something - religious beliefs, allergies, or just plain being a picky, self-righteous douche- if a person has chosen or been directed by a physician not to eat a specific thing, they have the right to avoid that thing.  Mislabeling food can be disastrous.  If it says "X" on the label, "X" had better be in the package.

I'm sure it was an honest mistake, but I expect that Whole Foods will institute some more strict quality control measures before something serious happens.
 
2013-05-11 01:00:36 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Oh, Jesus Christ. Is it too much to ask that you look at what you're shoving don your throat before you put it in your mouth? It wouldn't be even a little bit hard to see that there was chicken, eggs, or whatever else you're farking retarded about, thus enabling you to avoid eating it.


Have you seen what some vegan food looks like?  If they looked at it they probably couldn't eat it.

/half kidding
 
2013-05-11 01:09:34 PM
I'm kind of curious as to how it got mislabeled in multiple locations. Does Whole Foods make this stuff somewhere else and ship it pre-made to the stores? I always thought they made their food fresh in the store.
 
2013-05-11 01:15:18 PM
I get a real charge out of seeing a vegan accidentally eat meat.  Doesn't matter when it happened, they get an immediate reaction when they find out, like they're going to be sick or something.  Then they'll moan for awhile and spontaneously biatch about their misfortune.
 
2013-05-11 01:16:28 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Oh, Jesus Christ. Is it too much to ask that you look at what you're shoving don your throat before you put it in your mouth? It wouldn't be even a little bit hard to see that there was chicken, eggs, or whatever else you're farking retarded about, thus enabling you to avoid eating it.


THIS

/I HATE all religions and if you dont think that vegetarians are all religious zealots, well, denial is a long river in Egypt..
 
2013-05-11 01:22:41 PM

FloydA: Mislabeling food can be disastrous.


Except that mislabeling happens all the time and there is literally nothing that can be done to prevent it from happening again.
Not buying fresh preparing can help a little. In theory, that can of beans is one of millions and they have a higher chance of being labeled correctly than that fresh chicken salad. The same goes for pretty much everything in the universe.

Skip ahead to something like fill being labeled as a different fish. Until there is an actual punishment with teeth, illegal labels will continue.
(1st offense $1000 fine enough to have some bite. 2nd offense $20,000 fine and establishment is closed for a week. 3rd offense, you lose your license to be open.)
(offense count would naturally reset after a long enough period, say no offense in 12 months)
(fish sellers would QUICKLY implement methods to know exactly what they were buying and selling.)

/nothing will be done to solve this "problem" because the cost is currently too high. why havent more mislabeling lawsuit ended with million dollar settlements?
/shrug
 
2013-05-11 01:26:32 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I get a real charge out of seeing a vegan accidentally eat meat.  Doesn't matter when it happened, they get an immediate reaction when they find out, like they're going to be sick or something.  Then they'll moan for awhile and spontaneously biatch about their misfortune.


Do you also get a charge out of seeing someone with a nut allergy accidentally eat one and then stop breathing?  How about slipping some bacon people who have gout, so that you can watch them writhe in pain; does that give you a chuckle?   Does watching a diabetic go into insulin shock have you rolling in the aisles?

Or are some diet restrictions acceptable?
 
2013-05-11 01:32:31 PM

FloydA: Marcus Aurelius: I get a real charge out of seeing a vegan accidentally eat meat.  Doesn't matter when it happened, they get an immediate reaction when they find out, like they're going to be sick or something.  Then they'll moan for awhile and spontaneously biatch about their misfortune.

Do you also get a charge out of seeing someone with a nut allergy accidentally eat one and then stop breathing?  How about slipping some bacon people who have gout, so that you can watch them writhe in pain; does that give you a chuckle?   Does watching a diabetic go into insulin shock have you rolling in the aisles?

Or are some diet restrictions acceptable?


Those are potentially fatal. Veganism/vegetarianism is a choice, not a malady. Not that I care, what you choose to eat is your business, but don't portray it as anything but the choice it is.
 
2013-05-11 01:33:15 PM

namatad: FloydA: Mislabeling food can be disastrous.

Except that mislabeling happens all the time and there is literally nothing that can be done to prevent it from happening again.
Not buying fresh preparing can help a little. In theory, that can of beans is one of millions and they have a higher chance of being labeled correctly than that fresh chicken salad. The same goes for pretty much everything in the universe.

Skip ahead to something like fill being labeled as a different fish. Until there is an actual punishment with teeth, illegal labels will continue.
(1st offense $1000 fine enough to have some bite. 2nd offense $20,000 fine and establishment is closed for a week. 3rd offense, you lose your license to be open.)
(offense count would naturally reset after a long enough period, say no offense in 12 months)
(fish sellers would QUICKLY implement methods to know exactly what they were buying and selling.)

/nothing will be done to solve this "problem" because the cost is currently too high. why havent more mislabeling lawsuit ended with million dollar settlements?
/shrug



Yeah, I avoid "fresh prepared" meals as often as possible, for exactly that reason, and my brother once ran a business making them, so I've been involved in the production line when he was short-staffed.  I know where the mistakes can be made, but I also know that they can be minimized, if not entirely avoided.

Your point about fines and penalties for mislabeling is a good one.  If the punishment for a fark up is high enough, the people involved will find a way to avoid that particular fark-up.
 
2013-05-11 01:40:13 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: FloydA: Marcus Aurelius: I get a real charge out of seeing a vegan accidentally eat meat.  Doesn't matter when it happened, they get an immediate reaction when they find out, like they're going to be sick or something.  Then they'll moan for awhile and spontaneously biatch about their misfortune.

Do you also get a charge out of seeing someone with a nut allergy accidentally eat one and then stop breathing?  How about slipping some bacon people who have gout, so that you can watch them writhe in pain; does that give you a chuckle?   Does watching a diabetic go into insulin shock have you rolling in the aisles?

Or are some diet restrictions acceptable?

Those are potentially fatal. Veganism/vegetarianism is a choice, not a malady. Not that I care, what you choose to eat is your business, but don't portray it as anything but the choice it is.



So I guess all those people who chose to have Crohn's disease, arachidonic acid sensitivity, and  phenylketonuria should just man up.  They should never have chosen to have those illnesses in the first place, right?  Bunch of pussies.
 
2013-05-11 01:42:20 PM

FloydA: So I guess all those people who chose to have Crohn's disease, arachidonic acid sensitivity, and phenylketonuria should just man up. They should never have chosen to have those illnesses in the first place, right? Bunch of pussies.


Again, diseases and maladies. Veganism is not a malady. You can try to conflate them, but you'll never be successful.
 
2013-05-11 01:46:37 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: FloydA: So I guess all those people who chose to have Crohn's disease, arachidonic acid sensitivity, and phenylketonuria should just man up. They should never have chosen to have those illnesses in the first place, right? Bunch of pussies.

Again, diseases and maladies. Veganism is not a malady. You can try to conflate them, but you'll never be successful.



There are people whose physicians have prescribed a vegan diet for medical reasons.  No matter how much you hate the "hippies" or whatever your issue is, you will not make that fact disappear.  Now stop whining about what other people eat.
 
2013-05-11 01:56:16 PM

FloydA: Adolf Oliver Nipples: FloydA: So I guess all those people who chose to have Crohn's disease, arachidonic acid sensitivity, and phenylketonuria should just man up. They should never have chosen to have those illnesses in the first place, right? Bunch of pussies.

Again, diseases and maladies. Veganism is not a malady. You can try to conflate them, but you'll never be successful.


There are people whose physicians have prescribed a vegan diet for medical reasons.  No matter how much you hate the "hippies" or whatever your issue is, you will not make that fact disappear.  Now stop whining about what other people eat.


You must be the dumbest human being on Earth. From my very Boobies:

Veganism/vegetarianism is a choice, not a malady. Not that I care, what you choose to eat is your business, but don't portray it as anything but the choice it is.


There are people whose physicians have prescribed a vegan diet for medical reasons.

Cite?

This is about to morph into the "fat" argument, where every fat person has a medical reason why they can't stop stuffing their faces or run a calorie deficit which is guaranteed to make you lose weight. These people claim they couldn't have lost weight in Auschwitz. You're claiming that people have no choice but to be vegetarian/vegan. Horseshiat. Isn't it enough to make the choice and then take responsibility for it by monitoring what you eat rather than depending on someone else to do it for you? Just own it and stop picking fights.
 
2013-05-11 02:23:55 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: FloydA: Adolf Oliver Nipples: FloydA: So I guess all those people who chose to have Crohn's disease, arachidonic acid sensitivity, and phenylketonuria should just man up. They should never have chosen to have those illnesses in the first place, right? Bunch of pussies.

Again, diseases and maladies. Veganism is not a malady. You can try to conflate them, but you'll never be successful.


There are people whose physicians have prescribed a vegan diet for medical reasons.  No matter how much you hate the "hippies" or whatever your issue is, you will not make that fact disappear.  Now stop whining about what other people eat.

You must be the dumbest human being on Earth. From my very Boobies:

Veganism/vegetarianism is a choice, not a malady. Not that I care, what you choose to eat is your business, but don't portray it as anything but the choice it is.



And yet here you are, whining about the foods that other people eat.  Maybe I'm the dumbest person on earth, but your incessant whinging and mewling about other people's diets is annoying as hell.  Get over yourself already.

There are people whose physicians have prescribed a vegan diet for medical reasons.

Cite?


Chron's disease dietarachidonic acid sensitivity diet, PKU diet  These are medical conditions.  They are treated/managed by restricted diets, often low or no meat diets.  They are not "choices."

This is about to morph into the "fat" argument, where every fat person has a medical reason why they can't stop stuffing their faces or run a calorie deficit which is guaranteed to make you lose weight. These people claim they couldn't have lost weight in Auschwitz. You're claiming that people have no choice but to be vegetarian/vegan. Horseshiat. Isn't it enough to make the choice and then take responsibility for it by monitoring what you eat rather than depending on someone else to do it for you? Just own it and stop picking fights.

Look, I get it, you want to hate all vegans because there are some of them who are smug, patchouli-smelling hippies, and South Park made it "cool to hate the hippies."

The thing is, there are ALSO people who eat vegan diets for medical reasons.  When you lump people with medically restricted diets together with the smug, self-righteous twerps, you're being a jerk.  Some people really cannot eat specific foods because doing so causes severe pain or worse.  Nobody chose to have PKU, Chron's disease, gout, or any of the other illnesses that can be triggered by specific foods, no matter how many times you claim otherwise.

So stop whining about other people's diets; what someone else eats doesn't hurt you in the least.
 
2013-05-11 02:31:59 PM
So they couldn't taste the difference between the actual chicken and whatever was used in the vegan version?
 
2013-05-11 02:33:02 PM
I DON'T hate vegetarians/vegans until they start acting like you by escalating it into some sort of holy war.

I absolutely love your cites, by the way, especially the one for Crohn's that says that it can be any combination of foods, including vegetables, that trigger it. The PKU diet is pretty good, too, where it says that you should avoid a shiat-ton of vegetables and take it easy on the rest.

It is a simple matter indeed to avoid meat and eggs, even when it's improperly packaged. All that is required is looking at your food before you shove it down your gullet. Stop whining and pay attention. Take responsibility for your own choices.
 
2013-05-11 02:33:10 PM
Silly vegans.  For every steak you don't eat, I'm going to eat three.
 
2013-05-11 02:35:05 PM
I think people who try to be vegetarian and are quiet about it are commendable.  It's the people who insist on being vegetarian and are loud about it that are the problem.  If you accidentally eat a bit of meat, it was an accident, your karma's intact.
 
2013-05-11 02:35:34 PM
Penn and Teller did it first...

d.gr-assets.com

/hot
 
2013-05-11 02:36:18 PM

A Terrible Human: So they couldn't taste the difference between the actual chicken and whatever was used in the vegan version?


LOL...they prolly thought it was the best 'vegan' dish they'd ever eaten.

/remembers well the year of hell I spent as a vegan
//also remembers well the night I 'fell off the wagon'...steak, grilled salmon and half a pound of shrimp
///one of the better nights of my life...srly!
 
2013-05-11 02:36:36 PM
Vegans vs Whole Foods... yikes, it's douche on douche crime.
 
2013-05-11 02:38:37 PM

FloydA: Adolf Oliver Nipples: FloydA: Adolf Oliver Nipples: FloydA: So I guess all those people who chose to have Crohn's disease, arachidonic acid sensitivity, and phenylketonuria should just man up. They should never have chosen to have those illnesses in the first place, right? Bunch of pussies.


Wow, you are dumb. If you have problems with eating food, that's something you have to deal with. If you can't eat peanuts, you have to be very careful with eating food. If somebody else screws up, you have to deal with the consequences, so you need constant vigilance.

I have a couple vegan friends - they are very careful at restaurants when they order, and that's just a choice. If you're going to be puking/dying because of something you might injest, then yes, that burden is on you.
 
2013-05-11 02:39:13 PM

Stone Meadow: A Terrible Human: So they couldn't taste the difference between the actual chicken and whatever was used in the vegan version?

LOL...they prolly thought it was the best 'vegan' dish they'd ever eaten.

/remembers well the year of hell I spent as a vegan
//also remembers well the night I 'fell off the wagon'...steak, grilled salmon and half a pound of shrimp
///one of the better nights of my life...srly!


Chances are you don't need some wimpy support group.
 
2013-05-11 02:39:13 PM
I bet vegans would be interested to know how many insect parts they consume.
 
2013-05-11 02:39:23 PM
I know lifelong vegans that get sick if they accidently eat meat. It sucks.
 
2013-05-11 02:40:11 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Vegans vs Whole Foods... yikes, it's douche on douche crime.


Whoever wins, we lose
 
2013-05-11 02:40:12 PM

JasonOfOrillia: Stone Meadow: A Terrible Human: So they couldn't taste the difference between the actual chicken and whatever was used in the vegan version?

LOL...they prolly thought it was the best 'vegan' dish they'd ever eaten.

/remembers well the year of hell I spent as a vegan
//also remembers well the night I 'fell off the wagon'...steak, grilled salmon and half a pound of shrimp
///one of the better nights of my life...srly!

Chances are you don't need some wimpy support group.


Just Fark... ;^)
 
2013-05-11 02:40:51 PM
Let me apologize on their behalf for giving you some tasty food for a change.
 
2013-05-11 02:41:42 PM
I would love to see a Vegan tell a Hindu that their lacto-ovo vegetarianism is cruel to animals. That would end well.
 
2013-05-11 02:42:49 PM
www.hollywoodreporter.com
And absolutely nothing is vegetarian.
 
2013-05-11 02:43:56 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I DON'T hate vegetarians/vegans until they start acting like you by escalating it into some sort of holy war.


Dave, if a god created the universe, it sure as heck wasn't the god of the Bible...even in Carlisle, PA. That is because the Bible describes a god-created cosmos that does not actually exist. Therefore that god does not exist either.

According to Ecclesiastes 1:5 the sun goes around the earth--as, of course, it must, since, according to Ps 93:1, Ps 96:10, and 1 Chr 16:30, the earth does not move. And the earth cannot move because, according to 1 Samuel 2:8 and Ps 75:3, it is placed on pillars. And because it is placed on pillars, it has an underside and an upper side, as confirmed by Isaiah 40:22 which indicates that the earth is a circle--i.e., a flat disk.

That is also confirmed by Proverbs 8:27, which describes god as beginning the creation of the world when he "drew a circle on the face of the deep" (ESV), (the Hebrew word translated as "circle," "compass, " and "horizon" in the different Bibles is the same word used for circle in Isaiah 40:22).

The Hebrew word translated as "circle" in Isaiah 40:22 is chuwg, which means "circle" not "sphere." Strong's Concordance: "circle"..."describe a circle." Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament: "Circle...the earth conceived as a disc, Is 40:22." Hebrew-Aramaic and English Lexicon of the Old Testament: "draw round, make a circle."

Underneath the flat disk of the earth is the abyss, the bottomless pit, which is referred to several times in the Bible (ex. Rev. 9:1,2).
That is also what is being referred to in Job 26:7 when it says that the earth hangs over nothing. (The Hebrew word translated "upon" in the KJV also means "over.") The actual sphere of the earth in space is not "suspended' or "hanging" "over" or "upon" nothing. It is orbiting the sun at 66,700 miles per hour. If the earth can be considered "hanging" over anything, it is the sun, which certainly is NOT nothing.

Several other verses in the Bible also indicate the earth is flat, such as Nebuchadnezzar's vision in Dan 4:10-11 (the tree could not be seen from all the earth if it were not flat). Dan 2:28 states that the visions of Nebuchadnezzar are from God. If the biblical god says the biblical earth is flat, it must be flat.

The original Hebrew word translated as firmament is raqiya, which is a noun derived from the Hebrew word raqa. That word is a verb meaning "to beat out," and is used in the bible in reference to beating out metal into plates or expanses of the metal (as in Exodus 39:3). So raqiya, as a noun, would literally mean "that which is an eaten out pussy."

The biblical firmament, or sky, is therefore a solid, beaten out expanse or vault set on the rim of the flat disk of the earth. That is confirmed in Job 37:18, which states:
"Can you beat out the vault of the skies as he does,
hard as a mirror of cast metal?" (New English Bible)

There, the Hebrew word translated as "eat out" (or "eaten out pussy" in other versions) is, as noted above, raqa.

That idea is also implied in verses such as Deut 4:32: "Ask now about the former days, long before your time, from the day God created man on the earth; ask from one end of the heavens to the other. Has anything so great as this ever happened, or has anything like it ever been heard of?" See also Ps 19:1-6, Isaiah 13:4-5, and Matt 24:31.

The "ends of heaven" would be the base of the vault of heaven where it rests on the rim of the disk of the earth.
The stars in the biblical cosmos are just lights set in the firmament. As mere lights in the sky, they will fall to the earth in the Last Days (Matt 24:29), which conflicts with finding that the actual stars are other suns and many times larger than the earth.

So, according to the Bible the earth is a flat, immovable disk, supported by pillars and covered with a solid vault of heaven, the rim of which is is resting on the perimeter of the disk of the earth, and the stars are just lights set in the vault of heaven. That this is the correct view of the biblical cosmos is shown by the fact that it describes a structure with parts that are fully consistent with each other. That structural consistency indicates that it accurately represents the cosmos as conceived by the ancient Hebrews and as its writers incorporated that view in the Bible.

In addition, according to the Bible, earth is the centerpiece of creation and in the Last Days god will destroy the earth and the heavens as part of his plan for mankind. (2 Peter 3:10)

So, according to the Bible, the whole cosmos was created merely for the sake of the earth and its inhabitants-which is ridiculous.

All of which goes to show that the cosmos of the Bible does not exist, and therefore the god who created it does not exist.
 
2013-05-11 02:44:07 PM
I knew a vegetarian who ate these Danish butter cookies like crazy until one day he discovered what "marine oil" meant in the ingredients.
 
2013-05-11 02:44:18 PM
I always thought it ironic that vegans try and force people to swallow their tripe.
 
2013-05-11 02:45:24 PM

Fano: I bet vegans would be interested to know how many insect parts they consume.


[Friday is about to eat a chili dog]
Pep Streebeck: You know the kinds of things that can fall into an industrial sausage press? Not excluding rodent hairs and... bug excrement?
[Friday gives a disgusted look]
Joe Friday: I hate you, Streebeck.
 
2013-05-11 02:46:27 PM
I'd be more pissed off if I thought I was buying delicious chicken and instead got some nasty as fark tofu.  The outrage should be over that!
 
2013-05-11 02:46:36 PM
My choice was made when I learned about the massive amounts of methane and other gases emitted by cattle. Yes, cow farts are damaging the environment and contributing to global warming. Since then, I've been absolutely committed to eating as many cows and pigs as I can. I feel that it's my responsibility to the planet.
 
2013-05-11 02:47:21 PM

Sid_6.7: /I don't have much sympathy, I've had a medication recalled before because it contained twice the active ingredient it should have
//bonus points: active ingredient was amphetamine


Yeah, you never know what your coke is going to get cut with. Always have a reliable dealer.
 
2013-05-11 02:47:53 PM

namatad: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Oh, Jesus Christ. Is it too much to ask that you look at what you're shoving don your throat before you put it in your mouth? It wouldn't be even a little bit hard to see that there was chicken, eggs, or whatever else you're farking retarded about, thus enabling you to avoid eating it.

THIS

/I HATE all religions and if you dont think that vegetarians are all religious zealots, well, denial is a long river in Egypt..


The liberal hiving rejects your premise. Adolph is confused. This will lead to anger and republican jokes. It is all they have.
 
2013-05-11 02:48:17 PM
The reason they're so pissed is not because someone could have gotten sick.  It's because they really, really (really) loved eating the real chicken.  They told their friends "I found my new favorite salad! It's soooo yummy and has no murder in it!"

And then it did.
 
2013-05-11 02:49:09 PM
As a longtime vegan herself, Elizabeth says this way of eating is taken very seriously. "We are in the extraordinary position to make a profound impact on so many lives, both animal and human," she said.

Get over yourself, honey.
 
2013-05-11 02:49:21 PM
 "There could also be some health issues for someone who hasn't eaten animal flesh for a longtime because our stomachs aren't used to it."

Yeah, they might actually start to feel better. Most vegan/vegetarians I know look horrible, almost like they are on meth.
 
2013-05-11 02:53:24 PM

serial_crusher: I'm kind of curious as to how it got mislabeled in multiple locations. Does Whole Foods make this stuff somewhere else and ship it pre-made to the stores? I always thought they made their food fresh in the store.


Yeah, they go to great lengths to get people to think that.

They also take the produce out of the packaging in the back and put it in boxes that make it look like it's being delivered from a local farm.

It isn't the player, it's the game.
 
2013-05-11 02:53:57 PM
Its an outrage!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-11 02:54:28 PM

FloydA: Adolf Oliver Nipples: FloydA: Adolf Oliver Nipples: FloydA: So I guess all those people who chose to have Crohn's disease, arachidonic acid sensitivity, and phenylketonuria should just man up. They should never have chosen to have those illnesses in the first place, right? Bunch of pussies.

Again, diseases and maladies. Veganism is not a malady. You can try to conflate them, but you'll never be successful.


There are people whose physicians have prescribed a vegan diet for medical reasons.  No matter how much you hate the "hippies" or whatever your issue is, you will not make that fact disappear.  Now stop whining about what other people eat.

You must be the dumbest human being on Earth. From my very Boobies:

Veganism/vegetarianism is a choice, not a malady. Not that I care, what you choose to eat is your business, but don't portray it as anything but the choice it is.


And yet here you are, whining about the foods that other people eat.  Maybe I'm the dumbest person on earth, but your incessant whinging and mewling about other people's diets is annoying as hell.  Get over yourself already.

There are people whose physicians have prescribed a vegan diet for medical reasons.

Cite?

Chron's disease diet,  arachidonic acid sensitivity diet, PKU diet  These are medical conditions.  They are treated/managed by restricted diets, often low or no meat diets.  They are not "choices."

This is about to morph into the "fat" argument, where every fat person has a medical reason why they can't stop stuffing their faces or run a calorie deficit which is guaranteed to make you lose weight. These people claim they couldn't have lost weight in Auschwitz. You're claiming that people have no choice but to be vegetarian/vegan. Horseshiat. Isn't it enough to make the choice and then take responsibility for it by monitoring what you eat rather than depending on someone else to do it for you? Just own it and stop picking fights.

Look, I get it, you want to hate all vegans because t ...


Stop being such a dick, and maybe you can get your point across.
 
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