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(BBC)   Texas sheriff: Yes, we've arrested a much interviewed first responder to the West plant explosion for owning bomb components, but it's probably just a coincidence   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 155
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2013-05-11 09:39:05 AM
John Orr is impressed
 
2013-05-11 09:48:58 AM
Patsy.
 
2013-05-11 09:52:33 AM

Peter von Nostrand: John Orr is impressed


Indeed, Orr only had a body count of what, four?  Of course he also had several thousand fires attributed to him, so do we judge by quantity or damage done.  TX certainly wins for a single event (and may it ever stay at the top of that list).

I wonder just how common such a thing is.  I know around here over the past couple of decades there have been at least 3-4 firefighters around here arrested for multiple arsons (& those are just the ones that the media picked up on.  I'm sure that there have probably been more than a few "If you quit NOW we won't call the cops" to try to protect the FD's reputation).
 
2013-05-11 10:19:59 AM
According to the criminal complaint, police were called to a Texas residence on Tuesday where they discovered bomb-making components including a galvanised metal pipe, fuse, lighter and explosive powder in bags.

Now wait a second here (having finally RTFA.... I really need to start doing that first...) THAT'S all that he was arrested on?  I'm sure that quite a few people have metal pipe laying around the house left over from various projects (especially in rural-ish Texas). Show me anyone who claims to not have a lighter somewhere around the house & I'll probably call you a liar.  The fuse is a little less common but I know I have a coil of cannon fuse around here somewhere from some long ago 4th of July project (and yes explosives do revolve around that holiday, the fuse is the hardest to explain).  And the "explosive powder in bags" is a bit strange only because gunpowder comes in plastic bottles & shouldn't be stored in baggies.  However anyone who reloads ammunition will have a bunch of "explosive powder" at their residence (assuming of course the the powder was gunpowder, anything else would be extremely hard to explain).

I know that I also have gasoline out in the shed (for the mower), laundry detergent/dish soap, rags & glass bottles (if the recycling hasn't been picked up), should I be arrested for having the components for a destructive device (molatov cocktail with the detergent added to make it sticky like napalm)?  I hope that the components for his devices were actually in the process of being assembled into devices (such as fuse holes drilled into the pipe, pipe cut up into short sections, etc) & not scattered around the house/garage where any homeowner would logically keep such items.

The amount of AWing this guy was doing certainly raised more than a few eyebrows & probably was what warranted the closer look into his activities to begin with.  I just hope that they have a LOT more to go on than "well, he had stuff to make a bomb". Everyone has stuff to make a simple bomb around their house (an empty water bottle & a couple of things that are under every kitchen sink), intent is everything here.  If that is what it is then every hardware store in the country needs to be shut down & the owners arrested for having components for weapons of mass destruction (you would be amazed/frightened what someone with the right knowledge can make out of the inventory of a Home Depot - bombs, chemical weapons, all sorts of firearms, etc)
 
2013-05-11 11:09:29 AM
 
2013-05-11 11:12:33 AM
... I have all of those things.
do I need to turn myself in?
 
2013-05-11 11:12:52 AM
If he's guilty Texas knows how to deal with him.
 
2013-05-11 11:13:51 AM
The guy was a first responder after he set off the bombs. There, Texas, case solved. You get the details, I'll take that fat check.
 
2013-05-11 11:15:25 AM
Terry Bratton, 38, started the Colorado Hayman Fire in June 2008 in order to get more hours for her paycheck as a Forest Service ranger technician and be thought of as a hero for reporting it.

138,000 acres
6 fatalities
$40,000,000+ cost to fight fire
Nearly 6,000 evacuated
133 homes destroyed
 
2013-05-11 11:15:27 AM
False flag.

n0bamalamadingdong did this to steal out fertilizer and force us to use our own poop.

Just study it out.
 
2013-05-11 11:17:06 AM

cabbyman: If he's guilty Texas knows how to deal with him.


Deregulate?
 
2013-05-11 11:17:30 AM

DoctorCal: Recoil Therapy: I hope that the components for his devices were actually in the process of being assembled into devices

If you google Bryce Reed, you'll find plenty of sources that have the entire contents of the court affidavit, which is a lot more damning than what's described in TFA.

For example:

According to an affidavit released by the federal court in Waco, the McLennan County Sheriff's Office was called on Tuesday to home in Abbott, which is near West, about 'a possible destructive device' and related items.
The affidavit said that law enforcement officials determined that the device and related items belonged to Reed.
The material is described as a 3.5-inch galvanized metal pipe an inch and a half in diameter. Two galvanized end caps were attached to the pipe. One end cap had a small hole drilled into it.
Canisters containing a fuse, a lighter, six coils of metal ribbon and several pounds of chemical powders were also found.
The powders were described as potassium nitrate, aluminum powder, red iron oxide, ammonium perchlorate, sulfur powder and other materials.
The affidavit said that the materials had been left in a home near Waco by Reed on April 26, but the person at the home did not know what had been left.

You can also download the whole criminal complaint from there (the Daily Fail).

HTH.


i'm not convinced- maybe he was blasting for rare earth elements in Texas

/jk he's toast
 
2013-05-11 11:18:22 AM

Doktor_Zhivago: False flag.

n0bamalamadingdong did this to steal out fertilizer and force us to use our own poop.

Just study it out.


Just wait till they find the black man responsible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1cgHEWG-BA
 
2013-05-11 11:18:49 AM
This is Texas we're talking about. Who DOESN'T have that shiat at home?
 
2013-05-11 11:18:51 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Terry Bratton, 38, started the Colorado Hayman Fire in June 2008 in order to get more hours for her paycheck as a Forest Service ranger technician and be thought of as a hero for reporting it.

138,000 acres
6 fatalities
$40,000,000+ cost to fight fire
Nearly 6,000 evacuated
133 homes destroyed


You can't even get her last name right.
 
2013-05-11 11:20:02 AM

DoctorCal: Recoil Therapy: I hope that the components for his devices were actually in the process of being assembled into devices

If you google Bryce Reed, you'll find plenty of sources that have the entire contents of the court affidavit, which is a lot more damning than what's described in TFA.

For example:

According to an affidavit released by the federal court in Waco, the McLennan County Sheriff's Office was called on Tuesday to home in Abbott, which is near West, about 'a possible destructive device' and related items.
The affidavit said that law enforcement officials determined that the device and related items belonged to Reed.
The material is described as a 3.5-inch galvanized metal pipe an inch and a half in diameter. Two galvanized end caps were attached to the pipe. One end cap had a small hole drilled into it.
Canisters containing a fuse, a lighter, six coils of metal ribbon and several pounds of chemical powders were also found.
The powders were described as potassium nitrate, aluminum powder, red iron oxide, ammonium perchlorate, sulfur powder and other materials.
The affidavit said that the materials had been left in a home near Waco by Reed on April 26, but the person at the home did not know what had been left.

You can also download the whole criminal complaint from there (the Daily Fail).

HTH.


Ya know, the article would convey the actual situation a lot better if they had just said he had a pipe bomb instead of listing the parts.
 
2013-05-11 11:20:20 AM
Maybe if we sacrifice enough virgins, the gods will favor us again?
 
2013-05-11 11:21:03 AM
1.5 inch pipe that's 3.5 inches long? That's not a bomb, that's a firecracker.
 
2013-05-11 11:23:17 AM
I'll wait to read what Alex Jones says about it before I decide who did it.
 
2013-05-11 11:23:20 AM

Recoil Therapy: Everyone has stuff to make a simple bomb around their house (an empty water bottle & a couple of things that are under every kitchen sink), intent is everything here.  If that is what it is then every hardware store in the country needs to be shut down & the owners arrested for having components for weapons of mass destruction (you would be amazed/frightened what someone with the right knowledge can make out of the inventory of a Home Depot - bombs, chemical weapons, all sorts of firearms, etc)


What's scary is, you're exactly right.

It is downright disturbing how many everyday items, like chemicals and routine hardware, can be turned into something very bad with just a little bit of knowledge.  In the Army I was trained for counterinsurgency work.  The thing is, they have to train you to think like an insurgent to know how to fight them.  That involved learning a lot of insurgent TTP's (tactics, techniques and procedures).  It was scary stuff to learn, because it's frightening how easy it can be.

It's like going back to the 3D printed gun threads, where people pointed out how with only some raw metal and basic machine tools people have been able to turn out basic guns for decades (but generally don't because of the ease of access to commercially produced firearms).

I remember seeing a display my state Department of Corrections had at the State Fair when I was a kid.  It was a wall of contraband weapons seized at state prisons that year.  One big case was nothing but zip guns.  Dozens of zip guns, from just that year.  It was there as a teenager, staring a wall of guns made by prisoners behind bars I'd realize that gun control could never really disarm people if prisoners behind bars could make guns if they wanted them bad enough.

With modern technology and consumer products, the only way to completely eliminate the ability to produce bombs and/or firearms without permission would be to create a virtual police state.  That's unacceptable.

So, we instead have to fight the societal root causes of crime, and be vigilant in prosecuting those who hurt people with the things they build.
 
2013-05-11 11:23:51 AM
Hope no one investigates me. High power rocketry as a hobby means there is usually a bunch of this stuff floating around the house. Well, not floating, but you get the principle. I don't suppose the mill and lathe with turned parts would help either.

/dammit.
 
2013-05-11 11:25:30 AM
Have they found any evidence that the fertilizer plant explosion was set off by a bomb?

I'm open to any possibility, but given that that section of Texas is crawling with crazy bagger survivalist wackos, he could simply be a nutty bomb-maker WITHOUT any connection to the plant explosion.
 
2013-05-11 11:25:56 AM

Recoil Therapy: According to the criminal complaint, police were called to a Texas residence on Tuesday where they discovered bomb-making components including a galvanised metal pipe, fuse, lighter and explosive powder in bags.

Now wait a second here (having finally RTFA.... I really need to start doing that first...) THAT'S all that he was arrested on?  I'm sure that quite a few people have metal pipe laying around the house left over from various projects (especially in rural-ish Texas). Show me anyone who claims to not have a lighter somewhere around the house & I'll probably call you a liar.  The fuse is a little less common but I know I have a coil of cannon fuse around here somewhere from some long ago 4th of July project (and yes explosives do revolve around that holiday, the fuse is the hardest to explain).  And the "explosive powder in bags" is a bit strange only because gunpowder comes in plastic bottles & shouldn't be stored in baggies.  However anyone who reloads ammunition will have a bunch of "explosive powder" at their residence (assuming of course the the powder was gunpowder, anything else would be extremely hard to explain).

I know that I also have gasoline out in the shed (for the mower), laundry detergent/dish soap, rags & glass bottles (if the recycling hasn't been picked up), should I be arrested for having the components for a destructive device (molatov cocktail with the detergent added to make it sticky like napalm)?  I hope that the components for his devices were actually in the process of being assembled into devices (such as fuse holes drilled into the pipe, pipe cut up into short sections, etc) & not scattered around the house/garage where any homeowner would logically keep such items.

The amount of AWing this guy was doing certainly raised more than a few eyebrows & probably was what warranted the closer look into his activities to begin with.  I just hope that they have a LOT more to go on than "well, he had stuff to make a bomb". Everyone has stu ...


knock knock...
 
2013-05-11 11:27:34 AM

Goodluckfox: 1.5 inch pipe that's 3.5 inches long? That's not a bomb, that's a firecracker.


Clearly he needs 10 years in prison.
 
2013-05-11 11:29:31 AM

Silverstaff: So, we instead have to fight the societal root causes of crime, and be vigilant in prosecuting those who hurt people with the things they build.


We need to have giant press conferences, with scary looking guns, crying people who were affected by gun violence, and shiatloads of emotional responses.

Only by going with visceral emotional feelings can we do what is right in this country.

/what is right?  To vote to re-elect all the incumbents, so that the people can serve our government yet again
/societal root causes? fark that. People don't want to know why they are farked. The problem is always a thing, an external group, or some such.
 
2013-05-11 11:29:49 AM
Also on Friday, paramedic Bryce Reed made a brief court appearance in the town of Waco where he was charged with owning an unregistered destructive device.

So if it was registered he wouldn't have been arrested?
 
2013-05-11 11:30:37 AM
movieactors.com
Burn it all.
 
2013-05-11 11:31:03 AM
More here.
 
2013-05-11 11:31:58 AM

ravenlore: This is Texas we're talking about. Who DOESN'T have that shiat at home?


A valid point.
The case is weak sauce unless they can show that he was assembling bombs.
If they can prove he had anything to do with the fire tho...  You might as well  raffle off his boots, cause he's done for.

/Do they have the death penalty in Texas?
 
2013-05-11 11:33:50 AM

BizarreMan: Also on Friday, paramedic Bryce Reed made a brief court appearance in the town of Waco where he was charged with owning an unregistered destructive device.

So if it was registered he wouldn't have been arrested?


You can register destructive devices, but there's quite a bit of paperwork.

/If he's a felon then he might get a pass on fifth amendment grounds.
 
2013-05-11 11:34:20 AM
Check the kitchen for a pressure cooker!
 
2013-05-11 11:36:15 AM
moonwolves.files.wordpress.com

Just another preper.
 
2013-05-11 11:36:22 AM
Just remember, the good citizens of FARKistan have already concluded that the cause of the fire was lax federal regulations and an evil greedy business owner who should be in jail by now.
 
2013-05-11 11:41:24 AM
Fuse?

Is the BATFE sure that isn't actually a fully automatic rifle?
 
2013-05-11 11:42:47 AM
The explosion flattened homes, shattered a block of flats and badly damaged a nursing home and several schools.

Any word on the number of lorries, pubs, and roundabouts that were damaged?

/Teehee
 
2013-05-11 11:44:06 AM
Sounds like the old Munchhausens by Proxy applied to arson. The twisted fireman or the arson investigator sets the blaze and then steps into the spotlight as the hero or the detective.

In general, any rescuer is suspect. The corollary is arrest the innocent rescuer so the actual perpetrator either lets down his guard or brags with more detail to impress his buddies.

Anything, really, but shift focus away from the impulse to regulate the industry that is wide open to this kind of catastrophe.
 
2013-05-11 11:44:33 AM

90supraT: Goodluckfox: 1.5 inch pipe that's 3.5 inches long? That's not a bomb, that's a firecracker.

Clearly he needs 10 years in prison.


If only the pipe bomb would've gone off in his house as he was assembling it, he wouldn't need the 10 years in prison
 
2013-05-11 11:45:07 AM
i.somethingawful.com
 
2013-05-11 11:46:19 AM
he is obviously innocent

remember this was all about the GOP not supporting the EPA (previous thread)
 
2013-05-11 11:48:45 AM

Doktor_Zhivago: Just study it out.


Dad giveaway. Deeeeeaaaad giveaway.
 
2013-05-11 11:53:09 AM

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: 90supraT: Goodluckfox: 1.5 inch pipe that's 3.5 inches long? That's not a bomb, that's a firecracker.

Clearly he needs 10 years in prison.

If only the pipe bomb would've gone off in his house as he was assembling it, he wouldn't need the 10 years in prison


He apparently is more capable than the Weather Underground.
He too can be a Professor in a couple of years.
 
2013-05-11 11:54:54 AM

sobernutz: Doktor_Zhivago: False flag.

n0bamalamadingdong did this to steal out fertilizer and force us to use our own poop.

Just study it out.

Just wait till they find the black man responsible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1cgHEWG-BA


And then sentences Bryce Reed to be tried as a black man.
news.bbcimg.co.uk
 
2013-05-11 11:55:55 AM
So far other than his job there is no connection to him and the explosion at the plant

He is a firefighter, if it goes bang, boom or whoosh they are into it

Interesting how the  right is latching onto this to say that lack of regulation is not a problem.  For them I would like to point out that if he did do it the  lack of regualtion that allowed him into area with known fire/explosion hazards was a very big contributing factor in the incident.
 
2013-05-11 11:55:56 AM
May not be a killer but he is a nut.
 
2013-05-11 11:56:24 AM

way south: The case is weak sauce unless they can show that he was assembling bombs.
If they can prove he had anything to do with the fire tho... You might as well raffle off his boots, cause he's done for.

/Do they have the death penalty in Texas?


Do I need to give you the Florida tag?
 
2013-05-11 12:01:10 PM

FARK rebel soldier: sobernutz: Doktor_Zhivago: False flag.

n0bamalamadingdong did this to steal out fertilizer and force us to use our own poop.

Just study it out.

Just wait till they find the black man responsible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1cgHEWG-BA

And then sentences Bryce Reed to be tried as a black man.
[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 226x282]


I love that one
 
2013-05-11 12:01:54 PM

Azlefty: So far other than his job there is no connection to him and the explosion at the plant

He is a firefighter, if it goes bang, boom or whoosh they are into it

Interesting how the  right is latching onto this to say that lack of regulation is not a problem.  For them I would like to point out that if he did do it the  lack of regualtion that allowed him into area with known fire/explosion hazards was a very big contributing factor in the incident.


We should keep breeding adults away from children cause they know how to have sex and might have sex with children?
 
2013-05-11 12:02:45 PM
 
2013-05-11 12:02:49 PM
By the "logic" of what they found I should be arrested at any minute.  My chemistry lab would probably get me sent to GITMO for my next 8 life times.
 
2013-05-11 12:03:32 PM
i651.photobucket.com
 
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