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(Boston Globe)   Boston Marathon bomber to spend eternity surrounded by Virginians   (bostonglobe.com) divider line 42
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2013-05-11 02:06:29 AM
5 votes:

doglover: gaslight: What do people expect that his urn will be passed from person to person forever like some curse?

No, they just don't want to give him a proper burial. Nor should they. He doesn't deserve a proper burial. Huck his ashes into a bacon factory's dumpster and be done with him.


And what would that accomplish? He's dead, all you're doing is burying some rotting meat.  We're the civil ones here.
2013-05-11 07:17:57 AM
4 votes:
Anybody who pickets a funeral or screams and shouts about this sort of thing really doesn't deserve a seat at the adults' table.
2013-05-11 12:51:51 PM
3 votes:

doglover: gaslight: What do people expect that his urn will be passed from person to person forever like some curse?

No, they just don't want to give him a proper burial. Nor should they. He doesn't deserve a proper burial. Huck his ashes into a bacon factory's dumpster and be done with him.


He's dead and out of the picture. He has no more contracts. What we do with him now says nothing about him and everything about the rest of us.
2013-05-11 07:46:22 AM
3 votes:

doglover: UDel_Kitty: How about people just not be immature, vengeful assholes?

Good luck with that. It's been 1000's of years since history was recorded and in no single epoch has human nature been fundamentally different.


Said, philosophically, the guy who openly suggested relgiously-motivated desecration of Tsarnaev's body like an hour ago. Give it a rest.

Those who talk of grace at any time should focus on this opportunity to exemplify it. No matter what else he was, Tamerlan was a person - he had a mother and a father, he lived in a town and went to a school not unlike our own, and somehow all of his experience led to him wanting to kill as many people as possible (probably due to some amount of mental illness). To attempt to deny his humanity in death is, I can't help but think, an attempt to escape the thought that he is more like each of us than he is different. People did this to people. We should dwell on that as we bury him, and wonder what we can do to prevent people from feeling so estranged from their fellow man - and once they do, what we can do to rescue them (and everyone) from their demons.
2013-05-11 06:47:28 AM
3 votes:

Gulper Eel: What was the point of all the fuss about keeping his burial spot secret, then disclosing the location?


This. That was the dumbest possible move. The people who are most likely to suffer the ramifications are the families of everyone else buried in that plot, because any of the brilliant minds that come to do shiat to Tsarnaev's grave aren't likely to stop there.

It would be nice to see us Americans take the high road and just leave him in the ground to return to nature, unremarked, but I may as well be wishing for unicorns and rainbows.
2013-05-11 06:18:55 AM
3 votes:
I hope they dumped a couple of truckloads of concrete on the grave.

/where was the Sandy Hook shooter buried? No one seemed to make a big deal about it
//How about Aurora?
2013-05-11 06:17:00 AM
3 votes:
Does anyone know where they bury the CEOs of energy companies and the like that kill many more children by ordering the poisoning of land and water for profit? or the CEOs of apparel companies who intentionally out-source work to countries who do not really care if 1000 people die?

One might argue the only decent people on this planet are ones unborn.
2013-05-11 06:09:10 AM
3 votes:
Should have donated his body to medical research. Problem solved
2013-05-11 07:16:00 AM
2 votes:
He paid for his crimes with his life (yes he still owes a lot more) but now he is Regardless of what he did while he was alive he still should be buried as a human.

If we don't bury terrorists properly what are we going to do with republicans????
2013-05-11 06:49:43 AM
2 votes:

rev. dave: Times like these require remedial reading about the golden rule



The main problem here is wherever his ass is planted it WILL be vandalized repeatedly.

So, it's unfair to put him near places where people will be bringing innocent corpses to bury because they'll have to step over the vandals' handiwork to get to their legit ceremony.

Hence we should have just lost the body, like with Bin Laden.
2013-05-11 06:26:50 AM
2 votes:
People that have done much worse than he did are also buried in various cemeteries around the country. Lets dig them all up! May we take them to Hawaii and throw them all in a volcano or something.

News Flash: He's dead. He's no longer the "Boston Marathon bomber". He's a sac of rotting skin. Worm food, if you will. Let it go and move on to the next step with the one that can actually be punished.
2013-05-11 06:25:04 AM
2 votes:

EvilEgg: //How about Aurora?


He's still alive.
2013-05-11 06:10:16 AM
2 votes:

snuff3r: doglover: gaslight: What do people expect that his urn will be passed from person to person forever like some curse?

No, they just don't want to give him a proper burial. Nor should they. He doesn't deserve a proper burial. Huck his ashes into a bacon factory's dumpster and be done with him.

And what would that accomplish? He's dead, all you're doing is burying some rotting meat.  We're the civil ones here.


Same reason why his brother has a good chance of getting the death penalty. Humans crave revenge, no matter how irrational.
2013-05-11 01:38:12 AM
2 votes:
Most of the rejection was from fear of troublemakers, a reasonable assumption.
2013-05-11 01:33:55 AM
2 votes:
There is a lesson to be learned here.

DON'T die as a virgin.
There are terrorists up there just waiting to have their way with you.
2013-05-11 04:37:17 PM
1 votes:
Yeah, I just have to say,... I love this headline. +72, subby.
2013-05-11 03:13:20 PM
1 votes:

bratface: And we wonder why the majority of the world hates americans?


Yes, that part of the world that hates us would never stoop to desecrating bodies.

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2013-05-11 02:07:31 PM
1 votes:
He's not the first to kill a kid.  He's not the first premeditated killer.  He's not the first with a political agenda.

/ but there sure are a whole lot of indignant assholes out there these days
2013-05-11 11:39:40 AM
1 votes:
Whomever told the media about his burial site is the ultimate troll.
2013-05-11 09:15:05 AM
1 votes:
FFS, people, the corpse was buried according to the wishes of his family!  They claimed it according to MA law, which does NOT allow the coroner to withhold a corpse for desecration.   What in Hell makes you all assume that "we, the People" had any claim to it or say in what to do with it?
xcv
2013-05-11 09:01:04 AM
1 votes:

octopied: robohobo: hardinparamedic: Should have donated his body to medical research. Problem solved

Should have tossed his body in a hog pen.

You can't eat pigs that have eaten a human being.


In the end, who cares? Lots of people who have committed awful atrocities are buried in some graveyard or other. Why the fuss now?Where's Tim Mcveigh? Or like someone said, the guy who shot up sandy Hook?If they're dead...who cares.

Once someone is dead they can't harm anyone.


McVeigh was cremated IIRC.

I think it's normal for people from a Christian background to be anxious about the bomber's burial site becoming a shrine for Islamists and an inspiring rallying point for other jihdaists in America, but I'm pretty sure that venerating grave-sites is explicitly forbidden by the Wahhabi ideology and fundamentalist Muslims aren't going to start making pilgrimages to Virginia any time soon.
2013-05-11 08:27:55 AM
1 votes:
he's dead, stop giving him power.

Monitor the site
  1) those who come to desecrate: Arrest
  2) those who come to praise his deeds: Put on the "List"

I think we'll see more of #1
2013-05-11 08:20:30 AM
1 votes:
Feel bad for the folks whose beloved grandma is now sharing a final resting place with Captain Terrortard Steroidpants. Sure they are not amused.
2013-05-11 08:07:48 AM
1 votes:
My fellow massholes disappointed me on this - I won't say he should of been buried in the Granary Burying Ground, but they should of just found a spot and been done with it.  The people protesting the funeral home in Worcester for just doing their job are pretty pathetic.

Getting so upset about where someone turns into compost gives them more power then they deserve.  A quiet burial in some random western mass graveyard would of been fine.

Unrelated but the other thing that bothered me - I'm disappointed that we just handed all this over to the Feds without a peep.  We have laws on the books for this, the crimes happened in MA, he was caught by the BPD, they should of at least fought about trying to prosecute the surviving guy in MA courts.  The guy isn't Lex Luthor - just prosecute him, throw him in jail and be done with it.

We are better than this Massholes
2013-05-11 08:04:15 AM
1 votes:

doglover: gaslight: What do people expect that his urn will be passed from person to person forever like some curse?

No, they just don't want to give him a proper burial. Nor should they. He doesn't deserve a proper burial. Huck his ashes into a bacon factory's dumpster and be done with him.


Let it go, you will live longer.
2013-05-11 07:42:09 AM
1 votes:

Blasphemous Knave: Way to sweep the actions of Martha Mullen (you know, one of those rare Christians who actually try to emulate Christ), who did this because we are called to love our enemy, to instead interview a bunch of slack-jawed yokels for more petty vitriol and a few local pols for empty, pandering bluster.

Is the government ever supposed to have a say in where a corpse is buried (presuming that, like here, that "where" is legal cemetery)? How is that not a separation of church and state issue?

Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a complete asshole, that doesn't mean we all need to be, too. It seems Antigone needs to be required reading.


"Slack Jawed Yokels"?  The BBC story on it says that the people most angry are the local Muslims and their imam who have to share a cemetery with him, and that's mainly because they had a notorious terrorist interred amongst their loved ones.  Not only do they not like the implications, they don't want to deal with the people who are going to be attracted to the grave.
2013-05-11 07:03:28 AM
1 votes:

kim jong-un: Do you think he cares if you piss on his corpse?


No, but the owners of the cemetery and the families of the people buried next to him will care when people all over come and vandalize the place over and over again.

Parisians aren't thrilled about what happened at Jim Morrison's grave, and people liked him. This guy's body will get much worse treatment, and who has to pay to clean that up? If you said the owners of the place he's stuck, you win the prize.

Hence just dispose of him completely. No muss, no fuss. Can't desecrate what isn't interred there.
2013-05-11 07:03:07 AM
1 votes:

doglover: snuff3r: just seems redundant to be upset about his burial

It's not about his burial per se, it's about people who do care doing shiat at the grave site.

I personally don't care. But I don't care so much it's a non-issue. Burn him up to bones, toss the bones in a landfill, and let's move on.


That's not what you were originally advocating. Which is good as you are headed in the right direction.

The only thing that desecrating a corpse proves is that terrorist attacks will provoke a excessive response, which is exactly the point of terrorism.
2013-05-11 06:58:04 AM
1 votes:

chewielouie: Why bury him in a Muslim cemetery?


Because his body sat in a funeral home for more than a week, which was picketed every day by people who thought punishing a business for doing it's job and disrupting other people's funerals and moments of grief was far less savage than blowing up an 8 year old and was therefore okay, until someone who ran a Muslim cemetery read about it and stepped in.

It's just a guess, but I'm betting his Uncle spent that week trying to send the body to Russia and being told by various Russian officials to fark off and deal with it himself.
2013-05-11 06:56:43 AM
1 votes:
+1 subby. The perfect headline.
2013-05-11 06:44:32 AM
1 votes:

robohobo: Al-Barzakh Cemetery,  in Doswell, Virginia.

Have at it, VA farkers.



Says the Internet tough guy in brownbackistan.

Go commit your own crimes.
2013-05-11 06:41:21 AM
1 votes:
Times like these require remedial reading about the golden rule and its reverse the dumbass rule.
If you don't want him to be buried then that says you would rather have your own corpse dumped along the side of the road when you die for the buzzards to eat.
2013-05-11 06:22:24 AM
1 votes:
What was the point of all the fuss about keeping his burial spot secret, then disclosing the location?

Even calling it "an Islamic cemetery in central Virginia" (as I heard the network newsbots read it) is really narrowing it down. How many Islamic cemeteries could there possibly be in that part of the country? It's like saying he's buried near a seafood restaurant in the Oklahoma panhandle.

Whitey Bulger is disappoint that nobody in Massachusetts knows of any discreet places to dump a body.
2013-05-11 06:21:56 AM
1 votes:
I am not a person who believes that people are entitled to very much just for existing, but for the body to be properly disposed of does make my list. Not so much because of anything about the deceased, but because it's a "what you are in the dark" moment for ourselves and our society. There are not many cases where a person can want something but never know if they got it, and I think it's good for the public mental health to routinely carry one of those out.

That said, it's worth noting that his parents wanted him to be buried in Russia, and he seems to have expressed no particular wishes himself, so he should have been buried there. The person who found him a plot doubtless meant well, but she went against the wishes of his family.
2013-05-11 06:14:17 AM
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Should have donated his body to medical research. Problem solved


Should have tossed his body in a hog pen.
2013-05-11 04:39:14 AM
1 votes:

snuff3r: just seems redundant to be upset about his burial


It's not about his burial per se, it's about people who do care doing shiat at the grave site.

I personally don't care. But I don't care so much it's a non-issue. Burn him up to bones, toss the bones in a landfill, and let's move on.
2013-05-11 04:24:48 AM
1 votes:

doglover: snuff3r: And what would that accomplish?

You don't have to be nice to be civilized. The dude blew up an 8 year old. He's garbage. Let's toss him away like the garbage he is.

You want a burial a decent person would get? Die a decent person.


I understand the sentiment, i have an 8 year old myself, just seems redundant to be upset about his burial. He will be remembered a monster and that will never change.  Personally, he should been cremated or simply buried at sea. I can't imagine much grief being assuaged through wasting your time worrying about the craphead's body. Healing and moving on is complicated enough.

But meh, everyone deals with tragedy in their own way ;p
2013-05-11 03:02:39 AM
1 votes:

snuff3r: And what would that accomplish?


You don't have to be nice to be civilized. The dude blew up an 8 year old. He's garbage. Let's toss him away like the garbage he is.

You want a burial a decent person would get? Die a decent person.
2013-05-11 02:06:25 AM
1 votes:
Headline should have been "... 72 virginians (at least)".

I'm not angry... I'm just disappointed.

hehehehe
FNG [TotalFark]
2013-05-11 01:22:09 AM
1 votes:
Where's the WBC?
2013-05-10 11:57:30 PM
1 votes:
Just like John Adams on a list of US Presidents
2013-05-10 09:04:00 PM
1 votes:
What do people expect that his urn will be passed from person to person forever like some curse? He's going to end up in the ground, it's just a question of where.

It's not like you're hurting his feelings.
 
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