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2013-05-10 03:49:21 PM
Makes sense, I hear there are lots of well-regulated militias at public universities.
 
2013-05-10 04:02:18 PM
What could possibly go wrong?
 
2013-05-10 04:07:57 PM
Well sooner or later we were going to find out who was right about it.  Kutztown seems as good a place as any.  There are already laws that make menacing or threatening with a firearm a felony, so realistically this should be a non-issue.
 
2013-05-10 04:08:12 PM
Klutztown U?  I suppose people are tripping over themselves to attend.
 
2013-05-10 04:09:59 PM
Kutztown? This will end well.
 
2013-05-10 04:12:08 PM
Wow, when they're talking about something that their team support, Fox actually puts some effort into the details: "All weapons, including legally-registered firearms, will still be banned from academic buildings, student residence halls, dining facilities and sporting events. The reversal came after state lawyers warned public colleges all-out weapons bans that go farther than federal laws put them on shaky legal ground."

I wonder how flexible they'll be with the "compelling safety concern," considering that the grad student that emerges from the lab at 11:30pm to walk to her car won't be able to carry... just people passing through, really.
 
2013-05-10 04:19:20 PM
Wouldn't want to attend the next kegger where some jock just flunked his Basic Algebra 101 class...
 
2013-05-10 04:21:57 PM
So they still aren't allowed to defend themselves.
Waste of time.
 
2013-05-10 04:23:07 PM

gopher321: Wouldn't want to attend the next kegger where some jock just flunked his Basic Algebra 101 class...


Concealed carry was already permitted in private residences, off-campus, and is still banned in on-campus residences, so this shouldn't have any effect on that.
 
2013-05-10 04:25:03 PM

jehovahs witness protection: So they still aren't allowed to defend themselves.
Waste of time.


This is a legal maneuver, and well-designed from the point of view of keeping guns off campus.  However, it does provide legal protection for CCW holders that want to keep their weapon in the car.
 
2013-05-10 04:35:46 PM
Oh noes, now it'll be a blood batch just like Michigan.  You can legally carry on college campuses there, just not in the actual classrooms or dorms.
 
2013-05-10 05:12:07 PM
WooHoo!

Roadtrip to visit the Zeta Mu chapter!
 
2013-05-10 05:23:18 PM
They don't call Kutztown "the Dump on the Hump" for nothing.
 
2013-05-10 07:18:45 PM
Just gonna throw this out there:

If they can limit speech on their campus, why cant they do the same with guns?

/Gun nut here
//Logically speaking this needs to be resolved.
 
2013-05-10 08:04:19 PM

cman: Just gonna throw this out there:

If they can limit speech on their campus, why cant they do the same with guns?

/Gun nut here
//Logically speaking this needs to be resolved.


Courts distinguish between a limitation and a wholesale ban.   That was Chicago's problem.
 
2013-05-10 08:10:51 PM
I find it strange that the world would sell guns to people they think are too young to rent a car.
 
2013-05-10 08:26:17 PM
I still don't get why we persist in this silly debate over guns, gun registries, et. al.

The economic impact of restrictions on guns is far smaller than restrictions on automobiles, yet guns receive protections that automobiles don't. I find it odd that what is ostensibly a piece of hobby equipment (the self-defense argument is not born out by the data, no matter what that Bush-appointed partisan fark Roberts says) is somehow immune to restriction in a way many other things are not.

I realize there is an amendment about this. But I also realize that not only the technology, but the reality of our government has changed in the intervening years. Amendments are statistically less likely to be passed when it is 3/4ths of 50 states instead of 13, and the Senate and House were far more distinctly differentiated in purpose and process.

I think it's been established ever since Hammurabi that people have the right to not be killed by random assholes. Why is the method of avoiding said killing by assholes have to be so specific?
 
2013-05-10 08:28:53 PM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Why is the method ... have to be so specific?


Dammit.
 
2013-05-10 08:32:17 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: What could possibly go wrong?


Based on every other instance of concealed carry being legalized, nothing. But I'm sure there will be lots of emotional whining about it anyway.
 
2013-05-10 08:36:51 PM
Meh, you just won't get into trouble if you leave a gun in your car.

/ why are you guys freaking out?
 
2013-05-10 08:38:06 PM
Congrats on Common Sense prevailing, Pennsylvania. Stats are in your favor.
 
2013-05-10 08:38:08 PM

jbuist: Oh noes, now it'll be a blood batch just like Michigan.  You can legally carry on college campuses there, just not in the actual classrooms or dorms.


If you mean all of them, you give bad legal advice.

...Scope of Article X. Article X applies to all property owned, leased, or otherwise controlled by the Regents of the University of Michigan and applies regardless of whether the individual has a concealed weapons permit or is otherwise authorized by law to possess, discharge or use any device referenced below....no person shall while on any property owned, leased, or otherwise controlled by the Regents of the University of Michigan: (1) possess any firearm or any other dangerous weapons as defined in or interpreted under Michigan law...

/it's actually kind of a problem in Ann Arbor with how the University has bitten off entire blocks of the town, if you have a CCW getting from Point A to Point B can involve a detour of fair distance to avoid Michigan's turf
//East Lansing will let you carry your gun, but they're really anal about couches, matches, and lighter fluid for some reason
 
2013-05-10 08:39:06 PM
I guess my handle is unusually ironic given my stance on the issue at hand.
 
2013-05-10 08:39:31 PM
Is this some new movie? Is Mel Brooks the director?
 
2013-05-10 08:39:37 PM
TFA: All weapons, including legally-registered firearms, will still be banned from academic buildings, student residence halls, dining facilities and sporting events.

So, you can have a gun on campus, as long as you aren't headed anywhere on campus. Makes sense.
 
2013-05-10 08:39:41 PM
How many murders on campus were there before colleges passed laws saying you couldn't carry your legally owned firearm on the property?

Hand wringing is not a number.
 
2013-05-10 08:39:55 PM
Ah, the Mr. Torgue solution.
 
2013-05-10 08:42:38 PM
Just a minor setback in the efforts to infantalize everyone under 30.
 
2013-05-10 08:43:46 PM
Maybe we are in fact regressing as a society and nation
 
2013-05-10 08:45:09 PM

Giltric: How many murders on campus were there before colleges passed laws saying you couldn't carry your legally owned firearm on the property?

Hand wringing is not a number.


Colleges have been known to cover up the existence of murder-rapes on campus before the government passed a law saying "if a girl is raped and murdered on your campus, you have to mention that to prospective students."

I'm guessing it's an image thing. Drunk college kid + Glock = kind of white person who may eventually be in a position to donate to the school later in life not enrolling.
 
2013-05-10 08:46:19 PM

JesseL: Just a minor setback in the efforts to infantalize everyone under 30.


Hey, you might want to brush up on the benefits of neoteny. Neanderthals were essentially adults by 12 or 13. Now look where they are.
 
2013-05-10 08:46:35 PM
Hero tag is appropriate.
They value people's rights.
 
2013-05-10 08:47:26 PM

Giltric: How many murders on campus were there before colleges passed laws saying you couldn't carry your legally owned firearm on the property?

Hand wringing is not a number.


That question can easily be turned around

Just because the gun crowd is perpetually scared doesn't mean the rest of us are
 
2013-05-10 08:48:22 PM

tenpoundsofcrap: I DNRTFA

 
2013-05-10 08:49:04 PM
Thank You God!
 
2013-05-10 08:50:52 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Maybe we are in fact regressing as a society and nation


Nope.

Now we just know about stupid shiat, and you've forgotten all the stupid shiat people did back in the day.
 
2013-05-10 08:50:59 PM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Giltric: How many murders on campus were there before colleges passed laws saying you couldn't carry your legally owned firearm on the property?

Hand wringing is not a number.

Colleges have been known to cover up the existence of murder-rapes on campus before the government passed a law saying "if a girl is raped and murdered on your campus, you have to mention that to prospective students."

I'm guessing it's an image thing. Drunk college kid + Glock = kind of white person who may eventually be in a position to donate to the school later in life not enrolling.


Do they perpetuate the cover up by sending post cards to the victims parents? Maybe tricking the parents into thinking Billy or Lisa or Jeff joined the Peace Corps or circus after graduating?
 
2013-05-10 08:52:07 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Hero tag is appropriate.
They value people's rights.


In the designated Freedom Zone, yes.

/Freedom Zone is located behind Parking Lot B, next to the recycling dumpsters.
 
2013-05-10 08:53:29 PM
Well, I do like action movies

/grabs popcorn and 3D glasses
//nomnomnom
 
2013-05-10 08:55:03 PM

lennavan: Makes sense, I hear there are lots of well-regulated militias at public universities.


I don't understand your post. Well regulated militias aren't guaranteed the right to bear arms. The people are. Is English not your first language?
 
2013-05-10 08:56:40 PM
So, can someone clear something up for me? What's going on in Kutztown, does it classify as a hootananny, or a hodown?

tenpoundsofcheese: Hero tag is appropriate.
They value people's rights.


The mere fact that you are typing the words "Value People's Rights" should earn you the funniest comment of this thread. You're one of the most authoritative people I know on this board.
 
2013-05-10 08:56:51 PM
I am dating myself here.....

but I went to a public university in Pennsylvania during in an era when there was no prohibition of firearms on campus.


// Never had a shooting incident or firearms problem during my entire time there.
 
2013-05-10 08:57:50 PM
The big issues I always had in college with guns was safe storage.  We had gun lockers in the basement of South Quad where you could toss a hunting rifle and some ammo, but there wasn't any kind of readily accessible gun safe for a CCW to be easily stored in overnight and there was way too much traffic in and out of my dorm room for the gun just to hang out.

Later in my rental houses pretty much the same deal. Nowhere good to put the gun and the landlord was definitely going to frown on us anchoring a gun safe into the wall.

I can understand why a school would deter CCWs in their undergrad body.  You have young adults out on their own for the first time, living with strangers in the dorm, lots of people coming and going, experimentation with alcohol (and possibly drugs), plus a whole class of petty criminals who prey upon the fact undergrads are really bad at locking doors, closing windows, etc.

Moving beyond that many schools are fairly aggressive with public safety.  They often have a real police department and a building security force covering the dorms.  Plus things like a program to walk you home after dark if you're on campus or some kind of deal with a taxi company for a free ride/reduced rate/flat fee.  Aside from the issues where you end up needing a tactical team because some crazy dude is shooting up the place, security is normally well above average.  Offer not valid in schools located in the armpit of some urban area though (sup UPenn and Wayne State?).

Common sense seems to suggest for a lot of schools they have the twin issues of "lots of risk factors for unsafe gun ownership" coupled with "lots of public safety people roaming around" that suggests that they're statically better off restricting guns on their turf.  I'm a gun owner and I don't really consider "Hey your kid can bring her Glock" to be a selling point of a school.  I figure odds are she's really at risk when she hits up the bar district, so I'm more concerned with local LEO ability to babysit the students when the students hit the bar en masse on Friday.
 
2013-05-10 08:58:20 PM
Subby does realize this is not the University of Pennsylvania, a private Ivy League university founded by Ben Franklin in Philadelphia, but instead a state institution in the bucolic town of Kutz and more allied with Beaver Penn State university where state legislators and politically active tea baggers can have their way the the institutions' reputations.
 
2013-05-10 08:58:22 PM

Bisu: Well regulated militias aren't guaranteed the right to bear arms. The people are. Is English not your first language?


Actually, it's both.

media.washtimes.com
 
2013-05-10 08:59:22 PM
FTA: All weapons, including legally-registered firearms, will still be banned from academic buildings, student residence halls, dining facilities and sporting events

So, guns are still pretty much banned if you are doing anything more than walking on the sidewalk or driving in your car, but according to Fark: OMG BLOOD ON THE STREETS!!!!1!!1!

Don't we get this bullshiat whining every time someplace loosens the restrictions on firearms, and then, nothing happens?
 
2013-05-10 09:02:37 PM

gblive: I am dating myself here.....

but I went to a public university in Pennsylvania during in an era when there was no prohibition of firearms on campus.


// Never had a shooting incident or firearms problem during my entire time there.


I'd be curious though as to how popular the CCW (or open carry handgun) was during that time though.  I'm old enough I could take guns, so long as they were unloaded, into my high school and store them in my locker during the day, but really the only weapons that came in were long guns that had been used to hunt deer before school or were going to be taken to the range after school.  Thinking back I barely saw any handguns.

Be interesting to see a study about what was really brought into schools during the time there weren't weapon bans.  I'd imagine the vast bulk of it would be unloaded guns intended for hunting which are a different class from people wanting a CCW on them at all times.
 
2013-05-10 09:04:09 PM
How many parking disputes will turn into a gun battle?  What happens when the Starbucks on campus gets an order wrong, will shooting the barista become the norm?  Students spend too much class time texting, there's no way the professor will refrain from using the under slung grenade launcher to eradicate the offending student and any student sitting with 30'.  Board of regents refuse your tenure?  Just pull your duster aside, demonstrate you have a hog leg in an unsnapped holster.

This will end badly.  Not one person can be trusted with a gun on campus, or anywhere for that matter.  After the first dozen shootings that school and their short-sighted policies on gun "rights" will probably lose their funding and hopefully their accreditation.
 
2013-05-10 09:05:00 PM
The problem is that today you can't point at a crazy person and say "lock that f*cker up".
 
2013-05-10 09:06:11 PM

ha-ha-guy: Thinking back I barely saw any handguns.


Or blacks or nonchristians.
 
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