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2013-05-10 01:06:08 PM
No shiat. Who knew mayo and salami and cheese and more mayo and bacon and whatever were bad for you??

/ham and swiss with tons of cucumber, tomato, & spinach, thanks.
//they're stingy with the ham anyway...
 
2013-05-10 01:14:26 PM
Who the heck would get just a Big Mac and no fries?

/Fatty
 
2013-05-10 01:21:12 PM

wxboy: Who the heck would get just a Big Mac and no fries?


Me, actually, though I prefer the quarter-pounder with cheese.
 
2013-05-10 01:27:20 PM
you know what else has 1000 calories?  20 carrots.
 
2013-05-10 02:11:24 PM
Just because you can eat a foot long subway sandwich, doesn't mean you should.

/eat the 6", fatty
 
2013-05-10 02:19:23 PM
What makes McDonalds dangerous is the calorie and sodium density. If you want to compare a 12" sub against a big mac, you better compare it to eating  two big macs.
 
2013-05-10 02:28:31 PM

ladyfortuna: No shiat. Who knew mayo and salami and cheese and more mayo and bacon and whatever were bad for you??

/ham and swiss with tons of cucumber, tomato, & spinach, thanks.
//they're stingy with the ham anyway...


Sub club on honey oat with spinach, cucumber, tomato, green pepper, onion, jalapeno, oil, vinegar, parmasian, and oregano.

Could order that sandwich in my sleep.
 
2013-05-10 02:59:48 PM

Jubeebee: ladyfortuna: No shiat. Who knew mayo and salami and cheese and more mayo and bacon and whatever were bad for you??

/ham and swiss with tons of cucumber, tomato, & spinach, thanks.
//they're stingy with the ham anyway...

Sub club on honey oat with spinach, cucumber, tomato, green pepper, onion, jalapeno, oil, vinegar, parmasian, and oregano.

Could order that sandwich in my sleep.


Blech, you people and your vegetables. Is there any real way to lose weight and get healthy for those of us who can't stand eating rabbit food?
 
2013-05-10 03:09:46 PM

spman: Jubeebee: ladyfortuna: No shiat. Who knew mayo and salami and cheese and more mayo and bacon and whatever were bad for you??

/ham and swiss with tons of cucumber, tomato, & spinach, thanks.
//they're stingy with the ham anyway...

Sub club on honey oat with spinach, cucumber, tomato, green pepper, onion, jalapeno, oil, vinegar, parmasian, and oregano.

Could order that sandwich in my sleep.

Blech, you people and your vegetables. Is there any real way to lose weight and get healthy for those of us who can't stand eating rabbit food?


Eat rabbits.
 
2013-05-10 03:11:04 PM

spman: Blech, you people and your vegetables. Is there any real way to lose weight and get healthy for those of us who can't stand eating rabbit food?


Eat less. Like, 2/3 less. Focusing on calorie dense foods mean you can't eat nearly as much if you want to do it through diet alone. That's actually half the reason fruits and vegetables are key; they're mostly water so you get full. If you can, seriously take a nutrition course because it's fascinating to learn the ins & outs of it...

/fat because I like beer & chocolate...
 
2013-05-10 03:12:53 PM

ladyfortuna: No shiat. Who knew mayo and salami and cheese and more mayo and bacon and whatever were bad for you??

/ham and swiss with tons of cucumber, tomato, & spinach, thanks.
//they're stingy with the ham anyway...


YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH ABOUT BACON BEING BAD FOR YOU!

/jk
//but seriously, SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH ABOUT BACON BEING BAD FOR YOU!
 
2013-05-10 03:16:28 PM
UCLA scientists sent a group of nearly 100 adolescents aged 12 to 21 to eat at McDonald's and Subway restaurants, then collected their receipts to track what they ordered. Using the nutrition information available on each chain's website, they calculated the nutritional value of what the kids purchased.

What is the premise that this study is support to elucidate? That adolescents, left to their own devices, will eat unhealthily wherever they eat? Because it certainly doesn't address at all the question whether a meal customized by an informed customer is healthier at one restaurant then the other.
 
2013-05-10 03:16:34 PM
HEALTH NAZIS say that vegetables are good for you, but did you know that 10 heads of cabbage have more calories than a Quarter Pounder?  An apricot has more cyanide than a cigarette!?  An apple has more pesticides than a tall glass of mercury?!
 
2013-05-10 03:19:16 PM

spman: Is there any real way to lose weight and get healthy for those of us who can't stand eating rabbit food?


I've boldened the oxymoronic parts of the sentence. Vegetables are "healthy" in that they can provide nutrients with few calories. Bread, cheese, ice cream, and meat are "healthy" in that it can provide a lot of calories per gram - important in the third world. But I've got bad news for you if you think vegetables are rabbit food, and you're simultaneously trying to lose weight. Either it's time to find some veggies you like, or you can just take vitamins and exercise two hours a day.
 
2013-05-10 03:19:20 PM
The restaurants were strikingly similar by several other measures. Diners ordered 102g of carbohydrates at Subway compared to 128 at McDonald's and 36g of sugar to McDonalds' 54g


In other news, 80% versus 100% and 66% versus 100% are "strikingly similar."
 
2013-05-10 03:23:30 PM

dj_spanmaster: spman: Is there any real way to lose weight and get healthy for those of us who can't stand eating rabbit food?

I've boldened the oxymoronic parts of the sentence. Vegetables are "healthy" in that they can provide nutrients with few calories. Bread, cheese, ice cream, and meat are "healthy" in that it can provide a lot of calories per gram - important in the third world. But I've got bad news for you if you think vegetables are rabbit food, and you're simultaneously trying to lose weight. Either it's time to find some veggies you like, or you can just take vitamins and exercise two hours a day.


I do exercise for about 45 minute to an hour, 5 days a week. I've cut back on anything with High Fructose Corn Syrup (which is almost impossible because it's in EVERYTHING!) although I do have the occasional soda every now and then. I do eat fruits, but I just cant tolerate most vegetables. Peas, corn, lettuce are fine, but there's no way I'd ever be able to down broccoli, or spinach, or tomatoes, or peppers, or anything with a gourd, yuck!
 
2013-05-10 03:26:40 PM
You know what else has more calories than a Big Mac? 10 Lean Cuisines.
 
2013-05-10 03:31:57 PM
dear subby: when the name of the farking restaurant is Subway, perhaps you should stick to calling the sandwiches subs. they are not heroes. and neither are you.
 
2013-05-10 03:35:11 PM

spman: I do eat fruits, but I just cant tolerate most vegetables. Peas, corn, lettuce are fine, but there's no way I'd ever be able to down broccoli, or spinach, or tomatoes, or peppers, or anything with a gourd, yuck!


Grind them up in smoothies. You'll never know they're there.

I eat about 1,000 pounds of kale a week (slight exaggeration). I just throw a shiatload of it in smoothies along with stuff I actually do like, like yogurt, fruit, and almond milk. Problem solved.
 
2013-05-10 03:38:44 PM

spman: lech, you people and your vegetables. Is there any real way to lose weight and get healthy for those of us who can't stand eating rabbit food?


1) Buy multivitamins. Take them daily.
2) Calculate your TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure, there are calcs online)
3) Track everything you eat on a calorie tracker (DailyBurn, MyFitnessPal, etc.)
4) Eat 500 cals less than your TDEE
5) Lose 1 lb per week (more if you exercise)
6) ????
7) Profit

You're welcome.

/i hate vegetables too
 
2013-05-10 03:52:08 PM

spman: Jubeebee: ladyfortuna: No shiat. Who knew mayo and salami and cheese and more mayo and bacon and whatever were bad for you??

/ham and swiss with tons of cucumber, tomato, & spinach, thanks.
//they're stingy with the ham anyway...

Sub club on honey oat with spinach, cucumber, tomato, green pepper, onion, jalapeno, oil, vinegar, parmasian, and oregano.

Could order that sandwich in my sleep.

Blech, you people and your vegetables. Is there any real way to lose weight and get healthy for those of us who can't stand eating rabbit food?


Low-carb.  go low carb and never look back.  Eat meat. cheese nuts, bacon, to your heart's content while weight drops off you like a stone, your trigylceride drop through the floor and your LDL/HDL ratio suddenly makes your doctor smile (while lowering your BP and staving off Type II Beetus)  Now From personal experience, I'll tell you that once your diet is no longer laden with sugars you'll find yourself liking a lot of veggies you used to loathe like Borcooli, Asparagus green beans etc, because A) their high fiber content mean you can subtract most of the carbs against your daily 40-60, they make you feel fuller faster, and they taste SWEET instead fo bitter to your re-trained tastebuds.

/done low carb-high protien twice in my life:
 First time dropped 100lbs in 3 months- and kept 90% of that weight off even though I ate like shiat for 10 more years
Second time did a lower-card (60-80) regimine for about 4-5 months now.  Down an additional 40(50 overall) lbs  (so from 370-270 the first time, flirting with 230 now)
 
2013-05-10 04:05:11 PM

shaft6969: dear subby: when the name of the farking restaurant is Subway, perhaps you should stick to calling the sandwiches subs. they are not heroes. and neither are you.


Of course they're not heroes.  What kind of idiot calls a sandwich a "hero."  It should be abundantly clear to every sane person that Subway sells hoagies.
 
2013-05-10 04:11:25 PM
From TFA: The restaurants were strikingly similar by several other measures. Diners ordered 102g of carbohydrates at Subway compared to 128 at McDonald's and 36g of sugar to McDonalds' 54g.

128 / 102 = 1.2549...  so a 25%ish difference.
54 / 36 = 1.5... so a 50% difference.

That's not really 'strikingly similar'.  A 33% reduction in sugar going from McDonalds to Scrubway isn't insignificant.  A 20% reduction in carbs isn't insignificant either.
 
2013-05-10 04:20:06 PM

kronicfeld: The restaurants were strikingly similar by several other measures. Diners ordered 102g of carbohydrates at Subway compared to 128 at McDonald's and 36g of sugar to McDonalds' 54g


In other news, 80% versus 100% and 66% versus 100% are "strikingly similar."


Especially since, given how calorie density works, that means they ate proportionally more protein and fat to carbs at Subway than at McDonald's, and they likely got a ton more roughage (although how you TOP the sandwiches wasn't even tracked).
 
2013-05-10 04:23:25 PM

spman: dj_spanmaster: spman: Is there any real way to lose weight and get healthy for those of us who can't stand eating rabbit food?

I've boldened the oxymoronic parts of the sentence. Vegetables are "healthy" in that they can provide nutrients with few calories. Bread, cheese, ice cream, and meat are "healthy" in that it can provide a lot of calories per gram - important in the third world. But I've got bad news for you if you think vegetables are rabbit food, and you're simultaneously trying to lose weight. Either it's time to find some veggies you like, or you can just take vitamins and exercise two hours a day.

I do exercise for about 45 minute to an hour, 5 days a week. I've cut back on anything with High Fructose Corn Syrup (which is almost impossible because it's in EVERYTHING!) although I do have the occasional soda every now and then. I do eat fruits, but I just cant tolerate most vegetables. Peas, corn, lettuce are fine, but there's no way I'd ever be able to down broccoli, or spinach, or tomatoes, or peppers, or anything with a gourd, yuck!


Then you're farked on weight loss. You'd have to walk from Baltimore to DC to lose 1 pound.
 
2013-05-10 04:24:44 PM

spman: Jubeebee: ladyfortuna: No shiat. Who knew mayo and salami and cheese and more mayo and bacon and whatever were bad for you??

/ham and swiss with tons of cucumber, tomato, & spinach, thanks.
//they're stingy with the ham anyway...

Sub club on honey oat with spinach, cucumber, tomato, green pepper, onion, jalapeno, oil, vinegar, parmasian, and oregano.

Could order that sandwich in my sleep.

Blech, you people and your vegetables. Is there any real way to lose weight and get healthy for those of us who can't stand eating rabbit food?


Count calories.  Eat what you want, but portion control.  Avoiding HFCS will do nothing for you if you're replacing it with other calories.

Exercise is great, but even if you run for 30min @ 10min//mile, you're only burning around 450-500 calories.

I use an app called MyFitnessPal to track my food.

Get a food scale.  Yes, you need to weigh your foods so that you can figure out what the hell an appropriate serving is.

Get a body fat assessment.  This is so that you know where you're starting.  Get another one when you're at your target weight.  I know a lot of farkers believe BMI is wrong, but in fact it's mostly right as long as you take your waist circumference into account.  A decent place will tell you this when they do your assessment.

I was around 212 in January, now I'm 186, doing the above.
 
2013-05-10 04:30:30 PM
Oh yeah, get an RMR (resting metabolitic rate) test done too.  This is the only way you can find out how many calories you actually use.  Everything else is a guess.
 
2013-05-10 04:36:47 PM

Shazam999: spman: Jubeebee: ladyfortuna: No shiat. Who knew mayo and salami and cheese and more mayo and bacon and whatever were bad for you??

/ham and swiss with tons of cucumber, tomato, & spinach, thanks.
//they're stingy with the ham anyway...

Sub club on honey oat with spinach, cucumber, tomato, green pepper, onion, jalapeno, oil, vinegar, parmasian, and oregano.

Could order that sandwich in my sleep.

Blech, you people and your vegetables. Is there any real way to lose weight and get healthy for those of us who can't stand eating rabbit food?

Count calories.  Eat what you want, but portion control.  Avoiding HFCS will do nothing for you if you're replacing it with other calories.

Exercise is great, but even if you run for 30min @ 10min//mile, you're only burning around 450-500 calories.

I use an app called MyFitnessPal to track my food.

Get a food scale.  Yes, you need to weigh your foods so that you can figure out what the hell an appropriate serving is.

Get a body fat assessment.  This is so that you know where you're starting.  Get another one when you're at your target weight.  I know a lot of farkers believe BMI is wrong, but in fact it's mostly right as long as you take your waist circumference into account.  A decent place will tell you this when they do your assessment.

I was around 212 in January, now I'm 186, doing the above.


Awesome job.  I'm starting out in the past couple of months, from a worse spot.  I've got a pedometer to watch how often I'm walking; I'm cutting off the bad stuff slowly but surely, just because I know that if I were to go cold turkey it'd fark me all up anyway.  But in general I know it's helping, and I have lost weight and size.
 
2013-05-10 04:48:01 PM

FriarReb98: Awesome job.  I'm starting out in the past couple of months, from a worse spot.  I've got a pedometer to watch how often I'm walking; I'm cutting off the bad stuff slowly but surely, just because I know that if I were to go cold turkey it'd fark me all up anyway.  But in general I know it's helping, and I have lost weight and size.


Thanks.  I'm down to where I was when I met my wife.  Now to get down to where I was when I was in post-secondary school.
 
2013-05-10 04:56:43 PM

tillerman35: shaft6969: dear subby: when the name of the farking restaurant is Subway, perhaps you should stick to calling the sandwiches subs. they are not heroes. and neither are you.

Of course they're not heroes.  What kind of idiot calls a sandwich a "hero."  It should be abundantly clear to every sane person that Subway sells hoagies.


/hell, I'd even accept grinder. but not hero. that word and Subway should never, ever be uttered in the same sentence.
 
2013-05-10 05:03:16 PM

Shazam999: FriarReb98: Awesome job.  I'm starting out in the past couple of months, from a worse spot.  I've got a pedometer to watch how often I'm walking; I'm cutting off the bad stuff slowly but surely, just because I know that if I were to go cold turkey it'd fark me all up anyway.  But in general I know it's helping, and I have lost weight and size.

Thanks.  I'm down to where I was when I met my wife.  Now to get down to where I was when I was in post-secondary school.


I'm hoping to lose about 20-25 more pounds for my first goal, once I hit it I'll figure out what the next goal is.
 
2013-05-10 05:06:49 PM

FriarReb98: Shazam999: FriarReb98: Awesome job.  I'm starting out in the past couple of months, from a worse spot.  I've got a pedometer to watch how often I'm walking; I'm cutting off the bad stuff slowly but surely, just because I know that if I were to go cold turkey it'd fark me all up anyway.  But in general I know it's helping, and I have lost weight and size.

Thanks.  I'm down to where I was when I met my wife.  Now to get down to where I was when I was in post-secondary school.

I'm hoping to lose about 20-25 more pounds for my first goal, once I hit it I'll figure out what the next goal is.


Keep at her.  You should really check out the myfitnesspal forums, there's a ton of hot chicks on there that post very nice pics.  Also the bodybuilding.com member pages.  Lots of fappable material on there :)
 
2013-05-10 05:19:20 PM

tillerman35: Of course they're not heroes. What kind of idiot calls a sandwich a "hero." It should be abundantly clear to every sane person that Subway sells hoagies.


The ones that can't handle the double-entendre-laced mountain-of-awesomeness of that is the "grinder"

//kidding, no actual side in that battle.
 
2013-05-10 05:23:47 PM
The Big Mac still has 1.5 grams of trans fat.
 
2013-05-10 05:50:12 PM

kronicfeld: What is the premise that this study is support to elucidate? That adolescents, left to their own devices, will eat unhealthily wherever they eat? Because it certainly doesn't address at all the question whether a meal customized by an informed customer is healthier at one restaurant then the other.


I think you may be overestimating how informed most parents actually are, or whether most even care what their kids order when they're out. There's a reason most parents are fat too.
 
2013-05-10 06:09:37 PM
I just love weight/fitness threads filled with fatties giving advice.

/yes, I'm overweight
//no, you don't see me trying to give anyone advice
 
2013-05-10 06:34:37 PM

Magorn: Low-carb. go low carb and never look back. Eat meat. cheese nuts, bacon, to your heart's content while weight drops off you like a stone, your trigylceride drop through the floor and your LDL/HDL ratio suddenly makes your doctor smile (while lowering your BP and staving off Type II Beetus) Now From personal experience, I'll tell you that once your diet is no longer laden with sugars you'll find yourself liking a lot of veggies you used to loathe like Borcooli, Asparagus green beans etc, because A) their high fiber content mean you can subtract most of the carbs against your daily 40-60, they make you feel fuller faster, and they taste SWEET instead fo bitter to your re-trained tastebuds.


God, I love me some borcooli. Asparagus green beans aren't my favorite, though. I much prefer Artichoke corn.
 
2013-05-10 06:55:53 PM

FormlessOne: The Big Mac still has 1.5 grams of trans fat.


Beef has trans fat.  Also when you heat oil it makes trans fat.
 
2013-05-10 06:58:48 PM

Shazam999: FormlessOne: The Big Mac still has 1.5 grams of trans fat.

Beef has trans fat.  Also when you heat oil it makes trans fat.


Citation?
 
2013-05-10 07:07:33 PM

TopoGigo: Shazam999: FormlessOne: The Big Mac still has 1.5 grams of trans fat.

Beef has trans fat.  Also when you heat oil it makes trans fat.

Citation?


The usual, but you can do the research yourself, you should've learned that cows make trans fats (e.g. CLA) in high school biology?
 
2013-05-10 07:15:55 PM
21 year olds are considered adolescents now?
 
2013-05-10 07:22:15 PM

ladyfortuna: No shiat. Who knew mayo and salami and cheese and more mayo and bacon and whatever were bad for you??

/ham and swiss with tons of cucumber, tomato, & spinach, thanks.
//they're stingy with the ham anyway...


Yeah, but they were comparing a 10 dollar sub with "double everything" against a standard big mac.  If they would have chosen the largest, fattiest hamburger on the McDonalds menu then they would have at least been comparing something similar.
 
2013-05-10 07:26:32 PM
Wait. So you are saying that the most calorie laden Subway products have more fat and salt than selected McDonald's products?

Was this study funded by the Koch brothers?
 
2013-05-10 07:28:49 PM

Shazam999: TopoGigo: Shazam999: FormlessOne: The Big Mac still has 1.5 grams of trans fat.

Beef has trans fat.  Also when you heat oil it makes trans fat.

Citation?

The usual, but you can do the research yourself, you should've learned that cows make trans fats (e.g. CLA) in high school biology?


I certainly didn't learn that in high school biology. In fact, I'd never heard it before you stated it. It's polite to provide a citation, or at least a more detailed explanation, when introducing facts that aren't commonly known.
I didn't find support for your claim of trans fats being made by heating oil, though.
 
2013-05-10 07:29:39 PM
How about the Whopper Senior? http://www.uncoveror.com/whoppersenior.htm
 
2013-05-10 07:34:18 PM

spmun4gvn666: spman: lech, you people and your vegetables. Is there any real way to lose weight and get healthy for those of us who can't stand eating rabbit food?

1) Buy multivitamins. Take them daily.
2) Calculate your TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure, there are calcs online)
3) Track everything you eat on a calorie tracker (DailyBurn, MyFitnessPal, etc.)
4) Eat 500 cals less than your TDEE
5) Lose 1 lb per week (more if you exercise)
6) ????
7) Profit

You're welcome.

/i hate vegetables too


What worked for me was like this
1) Discover you're insulin reisistant
2) Cut carb intake to no more than about 20 grams per meal
3) Lose 45 lbs

Never realized how many carbs I ate until I had to restrict them. I don't even look at calories, fat, etc.
 
2013-05-10 07:35:04 PM

spman: Jubeebee: ladyfortuna: No shiat. Who knew mayo and salami and cheese and more mayo and bacon and whatever were bad for you??

/ham and swiss with tons of cucumber, tomato, & spinach, thanks.
//they're stingy with the ham anyway...

Sub club on honey oat with spinach, cucumber, tomato, green pepper, onion, jalapeno, oil, vinegar, parmasian, and oregano.

Could order that sandwich in my sleep.

Blech, you people and your vegetables. Is there any real way to lose weight and get healthy for those of us who can't stand eating rabbit food?


images3.wikia.nocookie.net

Aids?
 
2013-05-10 07:43:10 PM

Shazam999: TopoGigo: Shazam999: FormlessOne: The Big Mac still has 1.5 grams of trans fat.

Beef has trans fat.  Also when you heat oil it makes trans fat.

Citation?

The usual, but you can do the research yourself, you should've learned that cows make trans fats (e.g. CLA) in high school biology?


Tiny amounts of naturally occurring trans fats are present in beef, indeed. Trans fats are typically generated when hydrogen reacts with oil (which is why partially hydrogenated oils are particularly bad for you - lots of trans fats, by intent.)

The fun part, of course, is that not all the trans fats in the menu items presented by McDonald's comes from the meat. That exclamation is a red herring. The other items applied to their burgers add a bit, too, and that's what should interest you - a Big Mac, at 215 grams, has just as much trans fat (1.5 grams) as a double Whopper with cheese, at 398 grams, or a triple Whopper without mayo, at 434 grams. The latter two burgers have more meat on them, yet still rank about as high as a Big Mac. In fact, the McDouble, at 151 grams and which, I believe, uses the same patties as the Big Mac, only has 1 gram of trans fat.
 
2013-05-10 07:52:17 PM
87 data points, mostly by teen-agers that could care less if something is healthy as long as it tastes good, would not produce reliable enough data to conclude that water was, in fact, wet. Are they sure that the study came from UCLA and not San Dimas high?
 
2013-05-10 08:17:38 PM

ladyfortuna: spman: Blech, you people and your vegetables. Is there any real way to lose weight and get healthy for those of us who can't stand eating rabbit food?

Eat less. Like, 2/3 less. Focusing on calorie dense foods mean you can't eat nearly as much if you want to do it through diet alone. That's actually half the reason fruits and vegetables are key; they're mostly water so you get full. If you can, seriously take a nutrition course because it's fascinating to learn the ins & outs of it...

/fat because I like beer & chocolate...


Exactly, but if you don't like the taste of veggies, you ain't dong veggies right. Grill up some peppers, onions, corn, or steam some broccoli. Iceburg lettuce is for biatches, though.

Want an awesome lunch with low calories? 6oz steak, skip the shiat seasoning (that crap is loaded with sodium anyways and hides the flavor of the steak), add some steamed broccoli or grilled sweet red&green peppers, and enjoy. No one says you should only eat lettuce, but if you are, don't get iceburg. That shiat is mostly water with low nutrient value. The darker the green in lettuce, the healthier it is.
 
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