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(Hot Air)   Even Islamic terrorists in Dagestan thought Tsarnaev was an unhinged looney who might go too far   (hotair.com) divider line 25
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2013-05-10 02:34:34 PM  
10 votes:
You put in the "terrorists" yourself, mitter. Islamists just want Islamic Law enacted and for Islamic people to be governed by Muslims. Some actively participate or encourage violence to achieve these aims, like Tsarnev. Some do not, or actively oppose violence (like the people he was talking to).

Stop being an ignorant twat.
2013-05-10 05:15:45 PM  
6 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: You put in the "terrorists" yourself, mitter. Islamists just want Islamic Law enacted and for Islamic people to be governed by Muslims.


Then why don't they live in any of the numerous countries listed below where they can be governed by Shiria Law to the degree that they want and are comfortable? A quick search reveals all of these beautiful destinations as viable options.

1. Indonesia (Flogging, Caning; Sharia applied strictly in Aceh province)
2. Turkey (Restrictions on alcohol)
3. Brunei (Caning, Alcohol is illegal)
4. Jordan (2 years or less for honour killings)
5. Eritrea (Girls as young as 8 can be married, spousal rape is not recognized)
6. Syria (1 year or less for honour killings)
7. Djibouti (Sharia law regarding divorce)
8. Chechnya (Modest dress enforced, Alcohol and gambling suppressed by local authorities)
9. Niger (girls can be married off before they reach puberty)
10. Nigeria (Sharia is enforced in the northern states)
11. Kenya (Ad Hoc Sharia enforced in the east near the border with Somalia)
12. Gambia (Sharia courts decide all family matters, including for non-Muslims)
13. Qatar (public consumption is illegal during Ramadan, Alcohol heavily restricted, blood money acceptable punishment for murder, "kafala" law which is also shared by all Gulf states but Bahrain is technically slavery)
14. Uganda (Kadhi Courts overseeing family and civil matters)

The point is, there are plenty of places where Muslims (moderate or otherwise) can go and live as they wish; places where they don't have to assimilate to the indigenous society, because that's apparently asking way too much (see France). I mean really, the very idea that someone would immigrate to any non-third-world country for a better life, but be subject to the laws their new country and respect the culture and individuals must be too much. Put another way, if someone wants to rape their spouse, partake in an honor killing (provided they have a year or two to waste) or marry a pre-pubescent 8-year old without the risk of criminal prosecution, there are more than a dozen places listed above to go.

Some actively participate or encourage violence to achieve these aims, like Tsarnev. Some do not, or actively oppose violence (like the people he was talking to).

I don't recall that I saw anywhere in TFA where any of those being quoted were actively opposed to violence.

Where did you read that?

I must have missed it.

What I read was that they were referred to as congregants of a Salafist mosque in Dagestan.

Do you know what the Salafist movement is all about? It's related to and includes Wahhabism. Among other things, they're associated with a literalist, strict and puritanical approach to Islam, who espouse violent jihad against civilians as a legitimate expression of Islam.

Stop being an ignorant twat.

Stop being an apologist?
2013-05-10 03:56:55 PM  
3 votes:

 Felgraf: randomjsa: I'm sorry but people who want Islamic Law enacted for anyone are still terrorists in my book. They just use different methods and tools to get what they want.

Do you feel the same way about those who want to enact Christian law?


I, for one, very much do feel the same way.  Government should be secular if it is to include a religiously diverse populace.
2013-05-10 04:19:55 PM  
2 votes:

Oznog: NostroZ: [missjeyonline.files.wordpress.com image 480x600]

FTA: He greased his hair with olive oil and wore dark eye makeup, apparently in an effort to affect contemporary jihadist fashion.

This is the new face of Jihad.  Emo Jihad!

The real controversy- is "affect" or "effect" the appropriate word here?  It sounds like the rare transitive-verb version of "effect:  to cause to come into being" is correct here.

The verb "affect" IS syntactically valid, but doesn't seem contextually appropriate... "contemporary jihadist fashion" is not really an existing "thing" to affect.  The author's usage implies he was trying to make it exist.  So I think the author DID, in fact, mix up affect/effect.

Begun, the Affect/Effect Wars have!


No, the "affect" as used in the original is correct.   http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/affect   See Sense #2, Definitions 2b & 3.  It's not common usage, but it is correct, especially when you're talking about something done out of pretension or in order to affiliate or ingratiate one's self with a group.
2013-05-10 04:17:05 PM  
2 votes:
Yes   Mr. Tsarnaev took it way too far.  He actually read the Koran what a crazy mf'r.
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2013-05-10 03:45:40 PM  
2 votes:

PC LOAD LETTER: You put in the "terrorists" yourself, mitter. Islamists just want Islamic Law enacted and for Islamic people to be governed by Muslims. Some actively participate or encourage violence to achieve these aims, like Tsarnev. Some do not, or actively oppose violence (like the people he was talking to).

Stop being an ignorant twat.


I'm sorry but people who want Islamic Law enacted for anyone are still terrorists in my book. They just use different methods and tools to get what they want.
2013-05-11 01:29:10 AM  
1 votes:
PC LOAD LETTER:

The goal is to be governed by Islamic Law. If they want to do it by votes, they aren't terrorists, ... blah blah blah........  Once they get in power, once they start beheading girls for going to school, they are  STILL NOT TERRORISTS.have become terrorists.


Yes, I paraphrased/re-ordered the above. Not to be part of the original debate, I just wanted to point out.........

You are dead wrong. I am an atheist living in a (primarily) christian country. There may be christian rules here (don't steal, don't rape, don't kill, pay taxes, don;t speed, etc. etc. etc.) but when I [choose to]/[accidentally end up] break[ing] any of them, I might pay a fine, or get psychiatric care, or a short legal/prison sentence or a very long prison sentence, depending on the severity, frequency, lack of remorse, etc. but no way in hell am I ever at any risk of torture, maiming, acid in the face or beheading just because I 'DON'T DO WHAT YOU F_QKING SAY'.

For you to not be intelligent enough to see that any muslim who uses terrorism to get their goal *OR* uses terrorism once they achieve their goals (of sharia law) makes you a useless waste-of-space apologist. You can't trust what muslims say - we here in Ontario almost had sharia law enacted 'for muslims only' within the last 10 years.

I think the problem is that the vast majority of muslims don;t realize that once their religion seems to 'become victorious' over us infidels..... then all muslims will be forced to succumb to the strict interpretations of sharia law.
2013-05-10 08:25:01 PM  
1 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: Lydia_C: FTA: He greased his hair with olive oil and  wore dark eye makeup, apparently in an effort to affect contemporary jihadist fashion.

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Perfect Muslim Husband

QUESTION to all brothers: do you apply kohl to your eyes?

In the forum question, the OP mentions that wearing kohl was common among the mujahideen in Afghanistan. Not quite so contemporary.

Now let's see...who wears dark around their eyes and why...

[www.vspblog.com image 300x300]

[blogs.ajc.com image 300x283]

And they wear the eye black to help them see better. Because their lives depend on seeing things that might kill them...like 95 MPH fastball.

Now what would a mujahidin have to see clearly in order to save his life...a Hind helicopter. I think I'd put a little eyeliner on myself if I though I could avoid Soviet aerial cannon fire.


Dear ignoramus, desert dwellers have always worn kohl around the eyes, not to help them "see better", but to cut glare. In antiquity and before, prior to the invention of sunglasses, putting dark smudges around the eye sockets was the only other way to reduce the reflection of sun off the sand and rocks and, you know, blinding one. Arctic dwellers also used to blacken their eyes, or wore shades made of wood or bone to cut the glare off the ice.

It's used in pro sports like the NFL to reduce the blinding sodium floodlights and hot sun from above, which is why basketball players don't wear it much. And it's certainly nothing to do with "fashion" except among trendy urban terrorists who have no idea why their desert brethren darkened the skin around their eyes.
2013-05-10 08:19:10 PM  
1 votes:

Lydia_C: FTA: He greased his hair with olive oil and  wore dark eye makeup, apparently in an effort to affect contemporary jihadist fashion.

[freethinker.co.uk image 200x287]

Perfect Muslim Husband

QUESTION to all brothers: do you apply kohl to your eyes?

In the forum question, the OP mentions that wearing kohl was common among the mujahideen in Afghanistan. Not quite so contemporary.


Now let's see...who wears dark around their eyes and why...

www.vspblog.com

blogs.ajc.com

And they wear the eye black to help them see better. Because their lives depend on seeing things that might kill them...like 95 MPH fastball.

Now what would a mujahidin have to see clearly in order to save his life...a Hind helicopter. I think I'd put a little eyeliner on myself if I though I could avoid Soviet aerial cannon fire.
2013-05-10 08:08:08 PM  
1 votes:

KidKorporate: vudukungfu: He's only a terrorist if you are afraid of him.
Are you afraid of him?

This gets to the very bones of an issue I have with the English language and the root word "phobia."  In its current etymological context, a phobia can represent and irrational fear of something such as arachnophobia, OR an irrational hatred of something, such as homophobia.  When discussing islam, the term "islamophobia" often makes an appearance, often used by those who wish to others as having an "irrational" fear or hated of islam and muslims.

But what if we don't "fear" islam, and that our hatred of it is not irrational, but rather a dispassionate objective    analysis that reveals that islam is by its own definition a violent, retrograde set of tools for social control that rely on pain, fear, and subjugation to not only function but also merely exist?


Then you are an idiot, bigot, and an islamophobe with an irrational hatred of Islam.
2013-05-10 05:03:10 PM  
1 votes:
mije.org

I hear he only became unhinged after seeing some sort of video on YouTube...
2013-05-10 04:52:32 PM  
1 votes:
The only Islamic terrorist in the article was the dumbass with the oily hair.
2013-05-10 04:49:34 PM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: I'm sorry but people who want Islamic Law enacted for anyone are still terrorists in my book. They just use different methods and tools to get what they want.


Unless one of the tools they use is terror, then "your book" must not be the dictionary
2013-05-10 04:47:46 PM  
1 votes:

Oznog: NostroZ: [missjeyonline.files.wordpress.com image 480x600]

FTA: He greased his hair with olive oil and wore dark eye makeup, apparently in an effort to affect contemporary jihadist fashion.

This is the new face of Jihad.  Emo Jihad!

The real controversy- is "affect" or "effect" the appropriate word here?  It sounds like the rare transitive-verb version of "effect:  to cause to come into being" is correct here.

The verb "affect" IS syntactically valid, but doesn't seem contextually appropriate... "contemporary jihadist fashion" is not really an existing "thing" to affect.  The author's usage implies he was trying to make it exist.  So I think the author DID, in fact, mix up affect/effect.

Begun, the Affect/Effect Wars have!


No, he was emulating an existing look, not trying to get others to adopt it.

At least according to that HIGHLY detailed "article", IMHO. It was an affectation of a previously existing look, as opposed to trying to bring it about as a fashion statement in Diggitty-stan, or wherever he was from...
2013-05-10 04:45:11 PM  
1 votes:
Did subby even READ the 3 sentences that comprised the entirety of the "article"?

Ooooh, his olive oil and dark eyeliner look wasn't "popular".

Some dismissed him as "strange"?

They feared his brashness might get them extra attention from the cops, that's the onlty "too far" referenced in the article; that he was a showy loudmouth,
2013-05-10 04:33:28 PM  
1 votes:

chopit: geekbikerskum: No, the "affect" as used in the original is correct. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/affect See Sense #2, Definitions 2b & 3. It's not common usage, but it is correct, especially when you're talking about something done out of pretension or in order to affiliate or ingratiate one's self with a group.

Modern jihadists wear eye makeup?  That seems hard to believe, unless they're now modelling themselves after Disney Aladdin.


I have no idea.  The way the sentence is phrased, it makes him sound like he was trying to ingratiate himself with the group by copying some aspects of their physical appearance.  If that's not the intent, then yeah, it's poorly worded.
2013-05-10 04:28:38 PM  
1 votes:
There's a line even these farking animals won't cross? I don't believe it. They strap bombs to their farking children fer'christ sake
2013-05-10 04:26:09 PM  
1 votes:

geekbikerskum: No, the "affect" as used in the original is correct. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/affect See Sense #2, Definitions 2b & 3. It's not common usage, but it is correct, especially when you're talking about something done out of pretension or in order to affiliate or ingratiate one's self with a group.


Modern jihadists wear eye makeup?  That seems hard to believe, unless they're now modelling themselves after Disney Aladdin.
2013-05-10 03:59:32 PM  
1 votes:
He's only a terrorist if you are afraid of him.
Are you afraid of him?
2013-05-10 03:57:49 PM  
1 votes:
Speaking of unhinged loonies, Hot Air...

I'll pass.
2013-05-10 03:57:35 PM  
1 votes:

Stone Meadow: FTA: He greased his hair with olive oil and wore dark eye makeup

Now I'm confused...doesn't this make him a Guido from Jersey?


Or a potential drag queen?
2013-05-10 03:56:49 PM  
1 votes:
FTA: He greased his hair with olive oil and wore dark eye makeup

Now I'm confused...doesn't this make him a Guido from Jersey?
2013-05-10 03:49:48 PM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: I'm sorry but people who want Islamic Law enacted for anyone are still terrorists in my book. They just use different methods and tools to get what they want.


Do you feel the same way about those who want to enact Christian law?
2013-05-10 03:47:04 PM  
1 votes:
When the fundamentals say you've gone too far, you've gone too far

/never go full retard too
2013-05-10 02:14:49 PM  
1 votes:
Allahu Akbar!
There is no such thing as "too far" when it comes to jihad against the great Satan!
By killing and maiming people at a recreational event, this holy martyr taught the arrogant infidels of America that there is one God and his name is Allah.
If that doesn't convince them that Islam is the one true religion, I don't know what will.
 
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