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2013-05-10 05:14:09 PM

neongoats: So wanting islamic law = terrorist but wanting jesus law = freedom


I'm an atheist. You were saying?
 
2013-05-10 05:14:47 PM
Sure they thought that in DAGESTAN, but what were the terrorists opinions over in Ubeki Beki Beki Beki Stan Stan?
 
2013-05-10 05:15:45 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: You put in the "terrorists" yourself, mitter. Islamists just want Islamic Law enacted and for Islamic people to be governed by Muslims.


Then why don't they live in any of the numerous countries listed below where they can be governed by Shiria Law to the degree that they want and are comfortable? A quick search reveals all of these beautiful destinations as viable options.

1. Indonesia (Flogging, Caning; Sharia applied strictly in Aceh province)
2. Turkey (Restrictions on alcohol)
3. Brunei (Caning, Alcohol is illegal)
4. Jordan (2 years or less for honour killings)
5. Eritrea (Girls as young as 8 can be married, spousal rape is not recognized)
6. Syria (1 year or less for honour killings)
7. Djibouti (Sharia law regarding divorce)
8. Chechnya (Modest dress enforced, Alcohol and gambling suppressed by local authorities)
9. Niger (girls can be married off before they reach puberty)
10. Nigeria (Sharia is enforced in the northern states)
11. Kenya (Ad Hoc Sharia enforced in the east near the border with Somalia)
12. Gambia (Sharia courts decide all family matters, including for non-Muslims)
13. Qatar (public consumption is illegal during Ramadan, Alcohol heavily restricted, blood money acceptable punishment for murder, "kafala" law which is also shared by all Gulf states but Bahrain is technically slavery)
14. Uganda (Kadhi Courts overseeing family and civil matters)

The point is, there are plenty of places where Muslims (moderate or otherwise) can go and live as they wish; places where they don't have to assimilate to the indigenous society, because that's apparently asking way too much (see France). I mean really, the very idea that someone would immigrate to any non-third-world country for a better life, but be subject to the laws their new country and respect the culture and individuals must be too much. Put another way, if someone wants to rape their spouse, partake in an honor killing (provided they have a year or two to waste) or marry a pre-pubescent 8-year old without the risk of criminal prosecution, there are more than a dozen places listed above to go.

Some actively participate or encourage violence to achieve these aims, like Tsarnev. Some do not, or actively oppose violence (like the people he was talking to).

I don't recall that I saw anywhere in TFA where any of those being quoted were actively opposed to violence.

Where did you read that?

I must have missed it.

What I read was that they were referred to as congregants of a Salafist mosque in Dagestan.

Do you know what the Salafist movement is all about? It's related to and includes Wahhabism. Among other things, they're associated with a literalist, strict and puritanical approach to Islam, who espouse violent jihad against civilians as a legitimate expression of Islam.

Stop being an ignorant twat.

Stop being an apologist?
 
2013-05-10 05:17:12 PM

BravadoGT: [mije.org image 544x306]

I hear he only became unhinged after seeing some sort of video on YouTube...


I heard it was Oklahoma City, tax day and Waco that set him off.

Even if just one of those things are true, that's pretty frightening.
 
2013-05-10 05:26:23 PM

neongoats: randomjsa: PC LOAD LETTER: You put in the "terrorists" yourself, mitter. Islamists just want Islamic Law enacted and for Islamic people to be governed by Muslims. Some actively participate or encourage violence to achieve these aims, like Tsarnev. Some do not, or actively oppose violence (like the people he was talking to).

Stop being an ignorant twat.

I'm sorry but people who want Islamic Law enacted for anyone are still terrorists in my book. They just use different methods and tools to get what they want.

So wanting islamic law = terrorist but wanting jesus law = freedom


That's how moron math works.  There's no arguing with them, they have proof.
 
2013-05-10 05:26:34 PM
fusillade762:

Mikey1969: Did subby even READ the 3 sentences that comprised the entirety of the "article"?

I sure didn't. Hot Air is a silly, silly place.


LIke Camelot?  :-)
 
2013-05-10 05:37:02 PM

abhorrent1: There's a line even these farking animals won't cross? I don't believe it. They strap bombs to their farking children fer'christ sake


yet they draw the line at a pork chop.
 
2013-05-10 05:39:23 PM

4NTLRZ: PC LOAD LETTER: You put in the "terrorists" yourself, mitter. Islamists just want Islamic Law enacted and for Islamic people to be governed by Muslims.

Then why don't they live in any of the numerous countries listed below where they can be governed by Shiria Law to the degree that they want and are comfortable? A quick search reveals all of these beautiful destinations as viable options.

1. Indonesia (Flogging, Caning; Sharia applied strictly in Aceh province)
2. Turkey (Restrictions on alcohol)
3. Brunei (Caning, Alcohol is illegal)
4. Jordan (2 years or less for honour killings)
5. Eritrea (Girls as young as 8 can be married, spousal rape is not recognized)
6. Syria (1 year or less for honour killings)
7. Djibouti (Sharia law regarding divorce)
8. Chechnya (Modest dress enforced, Alcohol and gambling suppressed by local authorities)
9. Niger (girls can be married off before they reach puberty)
10. Nigeria (Sharia is enforced in the northern states)
11. Kenya (Ad Hoc Sharia enforced in the east near the border with Somalia)
12. Gambia (Sharia courts decide all family matters, including for non-Muslims)
13. Qatar (public consumption is illegal during Ramadan, Alcohol heavily restricted, blood money acceptable punishment for murder, "kafala" law which is also shared by all Gulf states but Bahrain is technically slavery)
14. Uganda (Kadhi Courts overseeing family and civil matters)

The point is, there are plenty of places where Muslims (moderate or otherwise) can go and live as they wish; places where they don't have to assimilate to the indigenous society, because that's apparently asking way too much (see France). I mean really, the very idea that someone would immigrate to any non-third-world country for a better life, but be subject to the laws their new country and respect the culture and individuals must be too much. Put another way, if someone wants to rape their spouse, partake in an honor killing (provided they have a year or two to waste) or marry a pre ...

www.papygeek.com

4NTLRZ WINS!

FATALITY!
 
2013-05-10 05:44:50 PM

stir22: abhorrent1: There's a line even these farking animals won't cross? I don't believe it. They strap bombs to their farking children fer'christ sake

yet they draw the line at a pork chop.


"Funnied"
 
2013-05-10 05:51:19 PM
HotAir: from Mohamad Magomedov, who struck up a friendship with him at the mosque

It's not like we're not going to check out this guy's story, since most of us know MM as a real joker, like a suicide belt made of expired condoms, or the time he put a plastic puke on the Immam's podium just before Friday prayers.


And what passes for new and extreme is anything later than the 1850s in out little part of Dages, darges,
what ever this country is that spends too much on y's instead of regular vowels.  But thanks for the money for the interview WSJ
 
2013-05-10 05:59:03 PM
Well he did listen to Glenn Beck and watch FOX News..
 
2013-05-10 05:59:13 PM
4NTLRZ:
Then why don't they live in any of the numerous countries listed below where they can be governed by Shiria Law to the degree that they want and are comfortable? A quick search reveals all of these beautiful destinations as viable options.

If you're going to quote someone, please write something relevant to the quote.

I don't recall that I saw anywhere in TFA where any of those being quoted were actively opposed to violence.

So if nobody is quoted as being opposed to violence, they must support violence?  You did not assert an aversion to violence, therefore you must support violence.

Oh wait, no.  You're assuming they're violent because they're fundamentalist muslims.  Just like fundamentalist christians must be violent?

Oh wait, no.  Here's your misunderstanding.  You think that  all Salafists "espouse violent jihad against civilians as a legitimate expression of Islam".  As there are counterexamples, this cannot be true.

You are assuming that they are guilty of something without any real evidence.

Stop being an apologist?

It scares to see so many people, like you, involved in conversations that only seem to exist in their own minds.  Get help.
 
2013-05-10 06:03:16 PM

4NTLRZ: Stop being an apologist?


Hey asshole, did I actually say it was good? NO. I said they weren't fracking TERRORISTS BY DEFINITION IF THEY REJECT VIOLENCE AS A MEANS TO ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS.

Jesus fracking christ you people are so blinded by hatred that you start shotgunning stuff and come off like a moron. Yes, Islamists are bad, as any fundies are. Period. But if they aren't advocating violence, then they are not frigging terrorists, because the fracking dictionary disagrees with you, moron. You can have Islamists voted in democratically with zero violence involved. Are they terrorists? NO. By definition, NO.
 
2013-05-10 06:03:48 PM

SultanofSchwing: [cinemasights.files.wordpress.com image 381x207]
D'ya like Dagestans?


Ahh beat me to it.

i3.ytimg.com

Yeah, I like Dagestans.
 
2013-05-10 06:05:54 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: 4NTLRZ WINS!


Read my reply, dickbreath. You people are dumber than a sack of shiat, I swear.
 
2013-05-10 06:12:37 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: 4NTLRZ: Stop being an apologist?

Hey asshole, did I actually say it was good? NO. I said they weren't fracking TERRORISTS BY DEFINITION IF THEY REJECT VIOLENCE AS A MEANS TO ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS.

Jesus fracking christ you people are so blinded by hatred that you start shotgunning stuff and come off like a moron. Yes, Islamists are bad, as any fundies are. Period. But if they aren't advocating violence, then they are not frigging terrorists, because the fracking dictionary disagrees with you, moron. You can have Islamists voted in democratically with zero violence involved. Are they terrorists? NO. By definition, NO.


And in case you were completely idiotic: the goals are to establish an Islamic-run state. Once they get in power, once they start beheading girls for going to school, they are STILL NOT TERRORISTS. Why? because the same reason Hilter wasn't a despot and not a terrorist. The goal is to be governed by Islamic Law. If they want to do it by votes, they aren't terrorists, but if they do want to kill people to get there, they are. Did any of this go through your anencephaltic head?
 
2013-05-10 06:56:58 PM

ExtraStrengthPlacebos: Felgraf: randomjsa: I'm sorry but people who want Islamic Law enacted for anyone are still terrorists in my book. They just use different methods and tools to get what they want.

Do you feel the same way about those who want to enact Christian law?

Sky Cake!


The Cake is a Lie.
 
2013-05-10 06:57:25 PM
FTA: He greased his hair with olive oil and  wore dark eye makeup, apparently in an effort to affect contemporary jihadist fashion.

freethinker.co.uk

Perfect Muslim Husband

QUESTION to all brothers: do you apply kohl to your eyes?

In the forum question, the OP mentions that wearing kohl was common among the mujahideen in Afghanistan. Not quite so contemporary.
 
2013-05-10 07:22:27 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: PC LOAD LETTER: 4NTLRZ: Stop being an apologist?

Hey asshole, did I actually say it was good? NO. I said they weren't fracking TERRORISTS BY DEFINITION IF THEY REJECT VIOLENCE AS A MEANS TO ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS.

Jesus fracking christ you people are so blinded by hatred that you start shotgunning stuff and come off like a moron. Yes, Islamists are bad, as any fundies are. Period. But if they aren't advocating violence, then they are not frigging terrorists, because the fracking dictionary disagrees with you, moron. You can have Islamists voted in democratically with zero violence involved. Are they terrorists? NO. By definition, NO.

And in case you were completely idiotic: the goals are to establish an Islamic-run state. Once they get in power, once they start beheading girls for going to school, they are STILL NOT TERRORISTS. Why? because the same reason Hilter wasn't a despot and not a terrorist. The goal is to be governed by Islamic Law. If they want to do it by votes, they aren't terrorists, but if they do want to kill people to get there, they are. Did any of this go through your anencephaltic head?


You need to take a deep breath and count to ten, or you're going to hurt yourself. There are people who have convinced themselves--and, sadly, a large percentage of the population--that Muslim = terrorist, and now by extension Shari'a law = terrorist. It's sad and horrifying that someone would think a nation where gambling and alcohol was forbidden by law would therefore be a terrorist state, but clearly whoever posted that list and put Chechnya on there seems to think so.

You cannot convince them otherwise. So ignore them.
 
2013-05-10 07:50:08 PM

Gyrfalcon: PC LOAD LETTER: PC LOAD LETTER: 4NTLRZ: Stop being an apologist?

Hey asshole, did I actually say it was good? NO. I said they weren't fracking TERRORISTS BY DEFINITION IF THEY REJECT VIOLENCE AS A MEANS TO ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS.

Jesus fracking christ you people are so blinded by hatred that you start shotgunning stuff and come off like a moron. Yes, Islamists are bad, as any fundies are. Period. But if they aren't advocating violence, then they are not frigging terrorists, because the fracking dictionary disagrees with you, moron. You can have Islamists voted in democratically with zero violence involved. Are they terrorists? NO. By definition, NO.

And in case you were completely idiotic: the goals are to establish an Islamic-run state. Once they get in power, once they start beheading girls for going to school, they are STILL NOT TERRORISTS. Why? because the same reason Hilter wasn't a despot and not a terrorist. The goal is to be governed by Islamic Law. If they want to do it by votes, they aren't terrorists, but if they do want to kill people to get there, they are. Did any of this go through your anencephaltic head?

You need to take a deep breath and count to ten, or you're going to hurt yourself. There are people who have convinced themselves--and, sadly, a large percentage of the population--that Muslim = terrorist, and now by extension Shari'a law = terrorist. It's sad and horrifying that someone would think a nation where gambling and alcohol was forbidden by law would therefore be a terrorist state, but clearly whoever posted that list and put Chechnya on there seems to think so.

You cannot convince them otherwise. So ignore them.


I know everything hasn't been quite right with me, but I can assure you now, very confidently, that it's going to be all right again. I feel much better now. I really do.  I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I am completely operational, and all my circuits are functioning perfectly.
 
2013-05-10 07:53:06 PM

Gyrfalcon: where gambling and alcohol was forbidden by law would therefore be a terrorist state,


If there's no betting or boozing, how else are you supposed to pass the time?
 
2013-05-10 07:53:39 PM

vudukungfu: He's only a terrorist if you are afraid of him.
Are you afraid of him?


This gets to the very bones of an issue I have with the English language and the root word "phobia."  In its current etymological context, a phobia can represent and irrational fear of something such as arachnophobia, OR an irrational hatred of something, such as homophobia.  When discussing islam, the term "islamophobia" often makes an appearance, often used by those who wish to others as having an "irrational" fear or hated of islam and muslims.

But what if we don't "fear" islam, and that our hatred of it is not irrational, but rather a dispassionate objective    analysis that reveals that islam is by its own definition a violent, retrograde set of tools for social control that rely on pain, fear, and subjugation to not only function but also merely exist?
 
2013-05-10 08:06:29 PM
On a slight tangent, are there ever any HINGED looneys?
 
2013-05-10 08:08:08 PM

KidKorporate: vudukungfu: He's only a terrorist if you are afraid of him.
Are you afraid of him?

This gets to the very bones of an issue I have with the English language and the root word "phobia."  In its current etymological context, a phobia can represent and irrational fear of something such as arachnophobia, OR an irrational hatred of something, such as homophobia.  When discussing islam, the term "islamophobia" often makes an appearance, often used by those who wish to others as having an "irrational" fear or hated of islam and muslims.

But what if we don't "fear" islam, and that our hatred of it is not irrational, but rather a dispassionate objective    analysis that reveals that islam is by its own definition a violent, retrograde set of tools for social control that rely on pain, fear, and subjugation to not only function but also merely exist?


Then you are an idiot, bigot, and an islamophobe with an irrational hatred of Islam.
 
2013-05-10 08:19:10 PM

Lydia_C: FTA: He greased his hair with olive oil and  wore dark eye makeup, apparently in an effort to affect contemporary jihadist fashion.

[freethinker.co.uk image 200x287]

Perfect Muslim Husband

QUESTION to all brothers: do you apply kohl to your eyes?

In the forum question, the OP mentions that wearing kohl was common among the mujahideen in Afghanistan. Not quite so contemporary.


Now let's see...who wears dark around their eyes and why...

www.vspblog.com

blogs.ajc.com

And they wear the eye black to help them see better. Because their lives depend on seeing things that might kill them...like 95 MPH fastball.

Now what would a mujahidin have to see clearly in order to save his life...a Hind helicopter. I think I'd put a little eyeliner on myself if I though I could avoid Soviet aerial cannon fire.
 
2013-05-10 08:25:01 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Lydia_C: FTA: He greased his hair with olive oil and  wore dark eye makeup, apparently in an effort to affect contemporary jihadist fashion.

[freethinker.co.uk image 200x287]

Perfect Muslim Husband

QUESTION to all brothers: do you apply kohl to your eyes?

In the forum question, the OP mentions that wearing kohl was common among the mujahideen in Afghanistan. Not quite so contemporary.

Now let's see...who wears dark around their eyes and why...

[www.vspblog.com image 300x300]

[blogs.ajc.com image 300x283]

And they wear the eye black to help them see better. Because their lives depend on seeing things that might kill them...like 95 MPH fastball.

Now what would a mujahidin have to see clearly in order to save his life...a Hind helicopter. I think I'd put a little eyeliner on myself if I though I could avoid Soviet aerial cannon fire.


Dear ignoramus, desert dwellers have always worn kohl around the eyes, not to help them "see better", but to cut glare. In antiquity and before, prior to the invention of sunglasses, putting dark smudges around the eye sockets was the only other way to reduce the reflection of sun off the sand and rocks and, you know, blinding one. Arctic dwellers also used to blacken their eyes, or wore shades made of wood or bone to cut the glare off the ice.

It's used in pro sports like the NFL to reduce the blinding sodium floodlights and hot sun from above, which is why basketball players don't wear it much. And it's certainly nothing to do with "fashion" except among trendy urban terrorists who have no idea why their desert brethren darkened the skin around their eyes.
 
2013-05-10 08:29:33 PM

dywed88: KidKorporate: vudukungfu: He's only a terrorist if you are afraid of him.
Are you afraid of him?

This gets to the very bones of an issue I have with the English language and the root word "phobia."  In its current etymological context, a phobia can represent and irrational fear of something such as arachnophobia, OR an irrational hatred of something, such as homophobia.  When discussing islam, the term "islamophobia" often makes an appearance, often used by those who wish to others as having an "irrational" fear or hated of islam and muslims.

But what if we don't "fear" islam, and that our hatred of it is not irrational, but rather a dispassionate objective    analysis that reveals that islam is by its own definition a violent, retrograde set of tools for social control that rely on pain, fear, and subjugation to not only function but also merely exist?

Then you are an idiot, bigot, and an islamophobe with an irrational hatred of Islam.


I am none of those things.
 
2013-05-10 08:36:42 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Agent Smiths Laugh: 4NTLRZ WINS!

Read my reply, dickbreath. You people are dumber than a sack of shiat, I swear.


Touch a nerve did I?

I'm actually glad that you have such a low assessment of me. It only serves to validate my own opinion of you. Specifically, that you don't have a clue what you're talking about most of the time.
 
2013-05-10 08:54:24 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Agent Smiths Laugh: 4NTLRZ WINS!

Read my reply, dickbreath. You people are dumber than a sack of shiat, I swear.


The irony is that I don't disagree with your calling for the correct application of the terrorist label, yet you come of so insulting and confrontational about it that I can't help but be amused when someone calls you out about it.

That said, yes there are muslims across the entire spectrum of liberal and fundamentalist views. Some of them are also terrorists. And yes muslim does not automatically equal terrorist. However both, as far as I am concerned, equal a person willingly undermining their own reason for the sake of a potentially dangerous religious culture and belief system. It is not something to be encouraged.

One need merely look at the excesses and abuses prevalent in countries dominated by it to see that there is something hazardous in that particular water.
 
2013-05-10 09:33:00 PM
How you like me now, Daggoth?
 
2013-05-10 11:07:04 PM

trappedspirit: randomjsa: I'm sorry but people who want Islamic Law enacted for anyone are still terrorists in my book. They just use different methods and tools to get what they want.

Unless one of the tools they use is terror, then "your book" must not be the dictionary


His book is the GOP bible. You know, the one with the cherry-picked parts only.
 
2013-05-11 12:25:16 AM
And you believe these guys? They are playing the old fashioned game of saving face! I am sure some Salafis do not believe in using the tactic of terrorism but they still want to force Islam on the world. After all in their minds we are all Muslims we just don't know it yet.  (I speaking about hard core blow Israel off the map Salafi's) Tamerlan was an embarrassment to their cause and they are now covering up.

Terrorism is a tactic! Right now the Muslim world is too divided to declare war on the Western World like they did in the past.  Salafi groups first need to gain control and unite now broken up Muslim countries. Muslim Brotherhood is one example of this movement. (see they don't always use terrorism!)
 
2013-05-11 12:45:40 AM
Famous But Incompetent Is famous, but incompetent.

Unless, that is, if they're actively working to bring down the country then all the rest of it makes sense.
 
2013-05-11 12:55:19 AM
Oznog:

Begun, the Affect/Effect Wars have!


I'm game.

The toilet roll MUST have the flap over-the-top to roll AWAY from the wall.
 
2013-05-11 01:01:07 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: I do NOT want to know what an Islamic terrorist considers "going too far".



Abstaining from goats???

/don't worry Mr. Goat, I'm sure they'll be ba-aa-aa-aa-aa-ack!
 
2013-05-11 01:09:35 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: Well he did listen to Glenn Beck and watch FOX News..



Are you implying that Holiday Inn Expressessess block Fox News and black out any Glenn Beck appearances on TV???

/hhhmmmmmmm....... a method to the madness......
 
2013-05-11 01:29:10 AM
PC LOAD LETTER:

The goal is to be governed by Islamic Law. If they want to do it by votes, they aren't terrorists, ... blah blah blah........  Once they get in power, once they start beheading girls for going to school, they are  STILL NOT TERRORISTS.have become terrorists.


Yes, I paraphrased/re-ordered the above. Not to be part of the original debate, I just wanted to point out.........

You are dead wrong. I am an atheist living in a (primarily) christian country. There may be christian rules here (don't steal, don't rape, don't kill, pay taxes, don;t speed, etc. etc. etc.) but when I [choose to]/[accidentally end up] break[ing] any of them, I might pay a fine, or get psychiatric care, or a short legal/prison sentence or a very long prison sentence, depending on the severity, frequency, lack of remorse, etc. but no way in hell am I ever at any risk of torture, maiming, acid in the face or beheading just because I 'DON'T DO WHAT YOU F_QKING SAY'.

For you to not be intelligent enough to see that any muslim who uses terrorism to get their goal *OR* uses terrorism once they achieve their goals (of sharia law) makes you a useless waste-of-space apologist. You can't trust what muslims say - we here in Ontario almost had sharia law enacted 'for muslims only' within the last 10 years.

I think the problem is that the vast majority of muslims don;t realize that once their religion seems to 'become victorious' over us infidels..... then all muslims will be forced to succumb to the strict interpretations of sharia law.
 
2013-05-11 01:38:11 AM

Gyrfalcon: On a slight tangent, are there ever any HINGED looneys?



Well, I *did* hear someone mention something about a 'trickle down effect'.
But, with a bad texas drawl, it could easily have been 'trickle down affect'.

-shrug-
 
2013-05-11 01:53:07 AM

video man: PC LOAD LETTER: You put in the "terrorists" yourself, mitter. Islamists just want Islamic Law enacted and for Islamic people to be governed by Muslims. Some actively participate or encourage violence to achieve these aims, like Tsarnev. Some do not, or actively oppose violence (like the people he was talking to).

Stop being an ignorant twat.

They're no better. An Islamist is an Islamist.


So all Christians opposed to abortion are assassins and terrorists?  I don't think you would like the results if your logic were applied equally to every group.
 
2013-05-11 01:53:35 AM

serialsuicidebomber: Oznog:

Begun, the Affect/Effect Wars have!


I'm game.

The toilet roll MUST have the flap over-the-top to roll AWAY from the wall.


I put the toilet paper roll on in the unpopular under style because I am so sick of people talking about it being wrong
 
2013-05-11 02:11:02 AM

KidKorporate: This gets to the very bones of an issue I have with the English language and the root word "phobia."  In its current etymological context, a phobia can represent and irrational fear of something such as arachnophobia, OR an irrational hatred of something, such as homophobia.  When discussing islam, the term "islamophobia" often makes an appearance, often used by those who wish to others as having an "irrational" fear or hated of islam and muslims.

But what if we don't "fear" islam, and that our hatred of it is not irrational, but rather a dispassionate objective    analysis that reveals that islam is by its own definition a violent, retrograde set of tools for social control that rely on pain, fear, and subjugation to not only function but also merely exist?



Then I will tell you what I tell the people who object to the term "homophobia": if the term bothers you that much, if you really think it's terribly  inaccurate or unfair, then come up with your own term and try to get people to use it, just as those opposed to abortion have embraced "Pro-life" as an alternative to "anti-choice" or "anti-abortion."

But until you offer an alternative, complaining about the term we're using now is a waste of time.

Also, if, by your own admission, you HATE Islam, arguing that "Islamophobia" is an unfair or inaccurate term because -phobia means "fear" and not "hate" is extremely silly (and simply not true).  By definition, Islamophobia is hatred and/or fear.  But you really need to pick one: either you hate Islam, or you rationally oppose it.  You cannot simultaneously admit that you hate something and claim that your opposition to it stems from a "dispassionate, objective analysis."
 
2013-05-11 02:14:42 AM

ciberido: video man: PC LOAD LETTER: You put in the "terrorists" yourself, mitter. Islamists just want Islamic Law enacted and for Islamic people to be governed by Muslims. Some actively participate or encourage violence to achieve these aims, like Tsarnev. Some do not, or actively oppose violence (like the people he was talking to).

Stop being an ignorant twat.

They're no better. An Islamist is an Islamist.

So all Christians opposed to abortion are assassins and terrorists?  I don't think you would like the results if your logic were applied equally to every group.


All religion is evil. At best a crutch for the ignorant or weak, at worst a means of control. Scientology is subtle satire.
 
2013-05-11 06:16:43 AM

serialsuicidebomber: I am an atheist living in a (primarily) christian country. There may be christian rules here (don't steal, don't rape, don't kill, pay taxes, don;t speed, etc. etc. etc.)


Wait what
 
2013-05-11 08:50:14 AM

KidKorporate: This gets to the very bones of an issue I have with the English language and the root word "phobia." In its current etymological context, a phobia can represent and irrational fear of something such as arachnophobia, OR an irrational hatred of something, such as homophobia. When discussing islam, the term "islamophobia" often makes an appearance, often used by those who wish to others as having an "irrational" fear or hated of islam and muslims.

But what if we don't "fear" islam, and that our hatred of it is not irrational, but rather a dispassionate objective analysis that reveals that islam is by its own definition a violent, retrograde set of tools for social control that rely on pain, fear, and subjugation to not only function but also merely exist?


 I hate the word "Islamaphobia"  It's not a phobia.  You're not scared. You're just an asshole.
 
2013-05-11 02:20:29 PM

randomjsa: Felgraf: Do you feel the same way about those who want to enact Christian law?

Yes. Would you like an example of why I think so is that sufficient?


Fark, sorry, got busy and distracted yesterday.

No, I'm just surprised, given that I'm of the impression that you tend to side with a side that *really really* wants to enact Christian Law. I'll have to keep this in mind.
 
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