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(New York Daily News)   NYC public school kitchen managers get a disciplinary letter in their permanent record for ordering butter   (nydailynews.com) divider line 64
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2013-05-10 02:33:52 PM  
Por que?

/did you see what I did there?
 
2013-05-10 02:55:06 PM  
Is butter really that bad for you? I mean yeah if you're eating tubs of it, but a little goes a long way in cooking.  And if you just get plane butter I'm pretty sure it's going to be better for you than some other chemically engineered substitute you decide to use.

Mostly what I learned today is that some schools actually cook their lunches from scratch instead of just heat them up in the microwave.
 
2013-05-10 02:56:21 PM  
Probably because it's much more expensive than margarine.  I don't want some GOVERNMENT SCHOOL spending MY TAX DOLLARS on fancy schmancy butter when margarine is just is good!  What's next?  Creme fraiche instead of yogurt?!  Brie instead of velveeta?!  This all started with arugula and grey poupon from our Elitist-in-Chief!

I can outderp your derp.
 
2013-05-10 02:57:29 PM  
when it comes to school lunches the butter is probably the least processed part of the meal.
 
2013-05-10 02:57:29 PM  

DubtodaIll: Is butter really that bad for you? I mean yeah if you're eating tubs of it, but a little goes a long way in cooking.  And if you just get plane butter I'm pretty sure it's going to be better for you than some other chemically engineered substitute you decide to use.

Mostly what I learned today is that some schools actually cook their lunches from scratch instead of just heat them up in the microwave.


How plane butter might be made:

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-10 02:57:38 PM  

Walker: Por que?

/did you see what I did there?


a1.phobos.apple.com
"Butter"
 
2013-05-10 02:58:34 PM  
pfffttt...

laughs at permanent record...

content.internetvideoarchive.com

/not impressed...
 
2013-05-10 02:59:54 PM  
Butter's the only thing that makes a lot of vegetables edible.
 
2013-05-10 03:00:30 PM  
" low-fat salad oil instead of butter "

how the fark do you make oil from salad?

corn oil, canola oil, vegetable oil.. I get these things.

but Salad oil?  WTF?  you MAKE a salad then turn it into oil?  WTF is wrong with these people?
 
2013-05-10 03:01:39 PM  
I can't believe it.
 
2013-05-10 03:01:52 PM  
i.qkme.me
 
2013-05-10 03:02:22 PM  
How about removing High Fructose Corn Syrup from your school? Everything works better when our pancreas isn't under stress.

http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/08/20/4274/the-dangers-of-high-f ru ctose-corn-syrup/
 
2013-05-10 03:02:23 PM  
I think it's hilarious how the bureaucracy is late to the party about a little butter being good for you.  In five or ten years butter will be required...
 
2013-05-10 03:04:46 PM  

BigLuca: [i.qkme.me image 460x307]


cdn.indulgy.com
 
2013-05-10 03:05:52 PM  
And they say that Republicans are evil Fascist.   Walks like a totalitarian, Quacks like a totalitarian, New York Democrats sure look like they want to be your big brother.
 
2013-05-10 03:05:55 PM  

kvinesknows: " low-fat salad oil instead of butter "

how the fark do you make oil from salad?

corn oil, canola oil, vegetable oil.. I get these things.

but Salad oil?  WTF?  you MAKE a salad then turn it into oil?  WTF is wrong with these people?



Really... what's a "Canola"
 
2013-05-10 03:06:00 PM  
So don't order butter.
Order heavy cream and make butter.
You got a Hobart with a paddle.
Put a bus pan full of ice up around the bottom and go to town.
 
2013-05-10 03:06:36 PM  

GanjSmokr: DubtodaIll: Is butter really that bad for you? I mean yeah if you're eating tubs of it, but a little goes a long way in cooking.  And if you just get plane butter I'm pretty sure it's going to be better for you than some other chemically engineered substitute you decide to use.

Mostly what I learned today is that some schools actually cook their lunches from scratch instead of just heat them up in the microwave.

How plane butter might be made:


25.media.tumblr.com

cdn.pastemagazine.com
 
2013-05-10 03:08:06 PM  

captcaveman: How about removing High Fructose Corn Syrup from your school? Everything works better when our pancreas isn't under stress.

http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/08/20/4274/the-dangers-of-high-f ru ctose-corn-syrup/


But, high fructose corn syrup is what happiness is made of. Why do you hate happiness?

/ and profit, we can't forget profit.

// we've become ferengi
 
2013-05-10 03:08:56 PM  
what if it is against my religion to eat certain 'foods' and oils?
I can have butter, but never margarine. I can have olive oil,
but not vegetable oil or hydrogenated oils...
but who cares, the state knows what is best for you, so don't put up a fuss...
 
2013-05-10 03:10:15 PM  
Relevant: Lipidleggin'
 
2013-05-10 03:11:53 PM  
"Parker's daughter Vivian, 6, a kindergartner at Public School 84 in Williamsburg, didn't mind.
"They don't have butter at my school," she said. "They said it makes you fat. I don't like butter anyway. They have cream cheese for our bagels instead. I love cream cheese.""

She sounds fat.  Time to ban cream cheese!
 
2013-05-10 03:12:33 PM  

Grapple: kvinesknows: " low-fat salad oil instead of butter "

how the fark do you make oil from salad?

corn oil, canola oil, vegetable oil.. I get these things.

but Salad oil?  WTF?  you MAKE a salad then turn it into oil?  WTF is wrong with these people?


Really... what's a "Canola"


its a cheese stuffed pasta dish.. duh
 
2013-05-10 03:12:48 PM  
So, what happens if one of them orders sugar or salt?  Do they get fired?
 
2013-05-10 03:17:47 PM  

MonoChango: And they say that Republicans are evil Fascist.   Walks like a totalitarian, Quacks like a totalitarian, New York Democrats sure look like they want to be your big brother.


All NY cares about is money, this state is a shiathole and if someone isn't getting a kickback it ain't happening, that's why I know nothing ideology driven will ever take hold here.

 But now the guy's gotta come up with Paulie's money every week, no matter what. Business bad? "fark you, pay me." Oh, you had a fire? "fark you, pay me." Place got hit by lightning, huh? "fark you, pay me."
 
2013-05-10 03:21:50 PM  
I fry my bacon in butter.
 
2013-05-10 03:24:59 PM  

Grapple: kvinesknows: " low-fat salad oil instead of butter "

how the fark do you make oil from salad?

corn oil, canola oil, vegetable oil.. I get these things.

but Salad oil?  WTF?  you MAKE a salad then turn it into oil?  WTF is wrong with these people?


Really... what's a "Canola"


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-10 03:30:12 PM  

kvinesknows: " low-fat salad oil instead of butter "

how the fark do you make oil from salad?

corn oil, canola oil, vegetable oil.. I get these things.

but Salad oil?  WTF?  you MAKE a salad then turn it into oil?  WTF is wrong with these people?


How the fark do you make oil 'low fat'? Oil is fat. Low-fat oil makes as much sense as 'dehydrated water'.
 
2013-05-10 03:30:24 PM  
Butter makes it better
 
2013-05-10 03:31:09 PM  
While the butter ban is idiotic...

I think these people should be getting a disciplinary letter, if they're not allowed to use it, but they're ordering it, it's entirely possible they're reselling it for profit.
 
2013-05-10 03:36:55 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-10 03:40:22 PM  

Grapple: Really... what's a "Canola"


About a buck fifty.
 
2013-05-10 03:43:01 PM  
How about letting them have their butter and limiting the sugar and processed crap instead?
 
2013-05-10 03:48:28 PM  
Department officials say butter is one of several ingredients they've stripped out of meals in recent years to make them healthier. Also off the menu: whole milk and white bread.
 http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20100922/milk-drinkers-may-l ose -more-weight

They are still exploring the link, but a growing pool of evidence out there your body may more or less interpret the consumption of dairy fats as a sign it doesn't need to retain it's own fat.  Obsessing about restriction what goes INTO your body is almost a fools errand, because the body is designed to compensate it's output of energy to whatever the input is.  If you want to lose weight, you only need to be "reasonable" about your diet, and fix the energy balance on the activity side.  Restriction only works until your body compensates.  Sure, completely excessive calorie intake is almost impossible to work off with just activity, but excessive calorie restriction just signals your body to slow itself down.

Yes, it's a complicated discussion for children, but there's no excuse for nutritionally arbitrary decisions that are less healthy being made by the school board.  Low fat, low calorie, and good for you are not synonymous.

Wood is excellent for being low in digestible calories and high in fiber, but we only sell wood as food to weight lifters in bar form...
 
2013-05-10 03:51:14 PM  

Drake Maijstral: "Parker's daughter Vivian, 6, a kindergartner at Public School 84 in Williamsburg, didn't mind.
"They don't have butter at my school," she said. "They said it makes you fat. I don't like butter anyway. They have cream cheese for our bagels instead. I love cream cheese.""

She sounds fat.  Time to ban cream cheese!


Yeah, um, pretty sure that big wad of cream cheese is far worse for you than a pat of butter there toots. Way to teach your daughter to trade a "bad" item for a worse one.
 
2013-05-10 03:51:24 PM  
Parker's daughter Vivian, 6, a kindergartner at Public School 84 in Williamsburg, didn't mind.
"They don't have butter at my school," she said. "They said it makes you fat. I don't like butter anyway. They have cream cheese for our bagels instead. I love cream cheese."


Congratulations, you've got a 6 year old parroting your nutritional nonsense, and picking a much worse option that you've indicated to her is better for her.  Way to educate.
 
2013-05-10 03:55:41 PM  
Aww! What's a better prank than butter!?
 
2013-05-10 04:01:23 PM  

iheartscotch: captcaveman: How about removing High Fructose Corn Syrup from your school? Everything works better when our pancreas isn't under stress.

http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/08/20/4274/the-dangers-of-high-f ru ctose-corn-syrup/

But, high fructose corn syrup is what happiness is made of. Why do you hate happiness?


HFCS isn't much different than normal sugar as far as our bodies are concerned according to all peer-reviewed, unbiased, legitimate studies.  It's used because it's cheaper and easier to ensure consistent flavor or sweetness, especially with a reduction in quantity (more fructose, less glucose = sweeter for less volume, and less calories to boot).  However, the majority of HFCS is still very close to the same glucose-fructose ratio of normal white highly processed sugar, about 1:1.

You wanna know why it's cheaper?  It's cause it's easier to make.  There are only three steps to making HFCS; grind corn into corn starch, turn starch into glucose syrup, add enzymes to break down some of the glucose into fructose.  In contrast, sugar, with it's multiple firings and pouroffs, purification via phosphoric acid or carbonization, filtering, bleaching and additional milling, is more processed and thus more expensive to produce.

There's IS a tiny difference in absorption rates between white sugar and HFCS, but it's so small as to be statistically insignificant, even for diabetics.  I can only assume that the recent spate of attacks on HFCS are due to a lack of awareness, since I always hear the same folks claiming HFCS is bad for you also chanting the dangers of processed food in the same breath.

The facts is, the body treats HFCS and sugar the same, and sugar is actually subjected to many times more processing.  Anyone who tells you different is probably also convinced that vaccines cause autism or aspartame causes brain cancer, and can be safely dismissed as ignorant.
 
2013-05-10 04:08:17 PM  
I can't believe it.  Not butter!!!!
 
2013-05-10 04:10:30 PM  

rhondajeremy: Drake Maijstral: "Parker's daughter Vivian, 6, a kindergartner at Public School 84 in Williamsburg, didn't mind.
"They don't have butter at my school," she said. "They said it makes you fat. I don't like butter anyway. They have cream cheese for our bagels instead. I love cream cheese.""

She sounds fat.  Time to ban cream cheese!

Yeah, um, pretty sure that big wad of cream cheese is far worse for you than a pat of butter there toots. Way to teach your daughter to trade a "bad" item for a worse one.


1 ounce cream cheese
83 calories
25% daily value of fat
8%cholestoreral
8% sodium


butter 1 ounce
142 calories
48% daily value of fat
10%cholesteral
5% sodium
 
2013-05-10 04:22:02 PM  

quietwalker: iheartscotch: captcaveman: How about removing High Fructose Corn Syrup from your school? Everything works better when our pancreas isn't under stress.

http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/08/20/4274/the-dangers-of-high-f ru ctose-corn-syrup/

But, high fructose corn syrup is what happiness is made of. Why do you hate happiness?

HFCS isn't much different than normal sugar as far as our bodies are concerned according to all peer-reviewed, unbiased, legitimate studies.  It's used because it's cheaper and easier to ensure consistent flavor or sweetness, especially with a reduction in quantity (more fructose, less glucose = sweeter for less volume, and less calories to boot).  However, the majority of HFCS is still very close to the same glucose-fructose ratio of normal white highly processed sugar, about 1:1.

You wanna know why it's cheaper?  It's cause it's easier to make.  There are only three steps to making HFCS; grind corn into corn starch, turn starch into glucose syrup, add enzymes to break down some of the glucose into fructose.  In contrast, sugar, with it's multiple firings and pouroffs, purification via phosphoric acid or carbonization, filtering, bleaching and additional milling, is more processed and thus more expensive to produce.

There's IS a tiny difference in absorption rates between white sugar and HFCS, but it's so small as to be statistically insignificant, even for diabetics.  I can only assume that the recent spate of attacks on HFCS are due to a lack of awareness, since I always hear the same folks claiming HFCS is bad for you also chanting the dangers of processed food in the same breath.

The facts is, the body treats HFCS and sugar the same, and sugar is actually subjected to many times more processing.  Anyone who tells you different is probably also convinced that vaccines cause autism or aspartame causes brain cancer, and can be safely dismissed as ignorant.


The real danger of HFCS is that it's usually in a product because the product doesn't have much else going for it, because they stripped out everything ELSE with flavor in the interest of cost savings or being LOW FAT!
 
2013-05-10 04:28:03 PM  

kvinesknows: rhondajeremy: Drake Maijstral: "Parker's daughter Vivian, 6, a kindergartner at Public School 84 in Williamsburg, didn't mind.
"They don't have butter at my school," she said. "They said it makes you fat. I don't like butter anyway. They have cream cheese for our bagels instead. I love cream cheese.""

She sounds fat.  Time to ban cream cheese!

Yeah, um, pretty sure that big wad of cream cheese is far worse for you than a pat of butter there toots. Way to teach your daughter to trade a "bad" item for a worse one.

1 ounce cream cheese
83 calories
25% daily value of fat
8%cholestoreral
8% sodium


butter 1 ounce
142 calories
48% daily value of fat
10%cholesteral
5% sodium


Which would be helpful information, if the flavor profiles of both was such that you ate equivalent amounts of butter to cream cheese, but people don't.  Cream Cheese is served in individual one ounce portions, and people complain those are too small, while butter is served in quarter ounce portions.
 
2013-05-10 04:30:46 PM  
new york city liberals.
nazi germans.
whatever.
 
2013-05-10 04:34:42 PM  

kvinesknows: 1 ounce cream cheese
butter 1 ounce


Note he said 'big wad' of cream cheese vs 'pat' of butter, so the expected serving sizes are substantially different.

I know that a bagel with the typical amount of cream cheese I'd put on it has a hell of a lot more calories than a couple slices of buttered toast.
 
2013-05-10 04:40:37 PM  

kvinesknows: rhondajeremy: Drake Maijstral: "Parker's daughter Vivian, 6, a kindergartner at Public School 84 in Williamsburg, didn't mind.
"They don't have butter at my school," she said. "They said it makes you fat. I don't like butter anyway. They have cream cheese for our bagels instead. I love cream cheese.""

She sounds fat.  Time to ban cream cheese!

Yeah, um, pretty sure that big wad of cream cheese is far worse for you than a pat of butter there toots. Way to teach your daughter to trade a "bad" item for a worse one.

1 ounce cream cheese
83 calories
25% daily value of fat
8%cholestoreral
8% sodium


butter 1 ounce
142 calories
48% daily value of fat
10%cholesteral
5% sodium


I don't even want to see the lardy lard that's putting a quarter stick of butter on a piece of toast or a bagel.  Not much of a comparison.
 
2013-05-10 04:41:56 PM  

Mr Guy: The facts is, the body treats HFCS and sugar the same, and sugar is actually subjected to many times more processing. Anyone who tells you different is probably also convinced that vaccines cause autism or aspartame causes brain cancer, and can be safely dismissed as ignorant.

The real danger of HFCS is that it's usually in a product because the product doesn't have much else going for it, because they stripped out everything ELSE with flavor in the interest of cost savings or being LOW FAT!


That's fair.

After all, if you're going to eat a hostess pudding pie - you know, with the chocolate shell over the sugar-glazed pie crust filled with sugary sweet banana-scented pudding - you're gonna be pissed when you find out they used HFCS and robbed you of any chance at nutritional value just to be low fat.  And you thought it ain't done nothin' to you but taste delicious*!  That charlatan!

Aside from the amusing sarcasm, you might be surprised to learn that sugar != fat.  People who eat a lot of sugar may become fat, but sugar itself is not fat.  Sugar fits in the 'carbohydrate' category.  You might have meant 'low calorie', but rarely is HFCS used for that purpose.  It's used just like sugar, and that's rarely anything other than 'generously' in whatever products it inhabits.

Mostly it's cheap, and it's consistent.  None of this regional variation in flavor due to local sources of sugar (cane, beet, etc - subtle flavor differences even between regions), so the product tastes the same everywhere.

* - and help Spider-Man foil robberies with the great taste of hostess treats!
 
2013-05-10 04:48:27 PM  

quietwalker: Aside from the amusing sarcasm, you might be surprised to learn that sugar != fat. People who eat a lot of sugar may become fat, but sugar itself is not fat. Sugar fits in the 'carbohydrate' category. You might have meant 'low calorie', but rarely is HFCS used for that purpose. It's used just like sugar, and that's rarely anything other than 'generously' in whatever products it inhabits.


You misunderstand me.  I am saying the products with significant amounts of added sugar, of any type, tend to be highly processed items that don't have much nutritional value in and of themselves to be appealing.  It's a well known marketing ploy to claim "Low fat!" on items that are just as high, if not higher, in calories due to added sugar.  Sometimes, the products are naturally fat free to begin with, like "low fat" candies.

Nobody is getting fat because there's a little HFCS instead of sugar in their otherwise reasonably portion of salad dressing on a healthy salad loaded with protein sources, for example.  HFCS is just an easy target to label something as "probably bad for you", but nutrition just doesn't work in absolutes that way.
 
2013-05-10 04:52:54 PM  

Mr Guy: kvinesknows: rhondajeremy: Drake Maijstral: "Parker's daughter Vivian, 6, a kindergartner at Public School 84 in Williamsburg, didn't mind.
"They don't have butter at my school," she said. "They said it makes you fat. I don't like butter anyway. They have cream cheese for our bagels instead. I love cream cheese.""

She sounds fat.  Time to ban cream cheese!

Yeah, um, pretty sure that big wad of cream cheese is far worse for you than a pat of butter there toots. Way to teach your daughter to trade a "bad" item for a worse one.

1 ounce cream cheese
83 calories
25% daily value of fat
8%cholestoreral
8% sodium


butter 1 ounce
142 calories
48% daily value of fat
10%cholesteral
5% sodium

Which would be helpful information, if the flavor profiles of both was such that you ate equivalent amounts of butter to cream cheese, but people don't.  Cream Cheese is served in individual one ounce portions, and people complain those are too small, while butter is served in quarter ounce portions.


agreed
 
2013-05-10 05:44:48 PM  

captcaveman: How about removing High Fructose Corn Syrup from your school? Everything works better when our pancreas isn't under stress.

http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/08/20/4274/the-dangers-of-high-fr u ctose-corn-syrup/


You mean sugar, and more specifically the fructose component thereof. You linked to an article about fructose in all contexts, not about how HFCS is different from other sources; the whole point of the article is that while you're managing your sugar intake you need to consider HFCS and similar substances because they act like sugar but may be more difficult to identify in a list of ingredients.

// HFCS is bad
/// In almost exactly the same ways sugar is bad
 
2013-05-10 06:06:29 PM  
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This nonsense is why I pack my kid's lunches. Butter is good for kid's growing brains.
 
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