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(The Big Story)   The IRS says it's sorry for targeting conservative groups in 2012 for tax audits. And now that Obama has been re-elected, we can all be friends again, right?   (bigstory.ap.org) divider line 251
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2013-05-10 12:50:56 PM  
Anything to win. This is my shocked face.
 
2013-05-10 12:54:58 PM  
This is outrageous. Tea Party groups would never engage in partisan campaigning.
 
2013-05-10 01:13:26 PM  
The Tea Party's expressed philosophy is that all taxation is bad and should be avoided by any means necessary.
For what possible reason, other than sneaky Obama-spiracy, might the IRS be particularly suspicious of them?  Must be Obama. Obviously.
 
2013-05-10 01:15:15 PM  
If I were looking for tax cheats, the tea party would be near the top of my list.
 
2013-05-10 01:16:52 PM  

Weaver95: If I were looking for tax cheats, the tea party would be near the top of my list.


The people funding the tea party would be at the very top.
 
2013-05-10 01:31:15 PM  
1) Targeting people based upon political affiliations (even those dumbass, crazy farkers in the Tea Party) is wrong.

2) If your primary purpose is social welfare, why name yourself anything related to "tea party" or "patriot"? What do all these groups do?

3) "Lerner said 150 of the cases have been closed and no group had its tax-exempt status revoked, though some withdrew their applications." I'm sure none of those that withdrew were trying to game the system.

4) "It is suspicious that the activity of these 'low-level workers' was unknown to IRS leadership at the time it occurred," said Jenny Beth Martin, national coordinator for Tea Party Patriots, which describes itself as the nation's largest tea party organization. "President Obama must also apologize for his administration ignoring repeated complaints by these broad grassroots organizations of harassment by the IRS in 2012, and make concrete and transparent steps today to ensure this never happens again."

Ahem: "[IRS Commissioner Douglas] Shulman was appointed by President George W. Bush. His 6-year term ended in November."
 
2013-05-10 01:44:45 PM  

Car_Ramrod: 1) Targeting people based upon political affiliations (even those dumbass, crazy farkers in the Tea Party) is wrong.

2) If your primary purpose is social welfare, why name yourself anything related to "tea party" or "patriot"? What do all these groups do?

3) "Lerner said 150 of the cases have been closed and no group had its tax-exempt status revoked, though some withdrew their applications." I'm sure none of those that withdrew were trying to game the system.

4) "It is suspicious that the activity of these 'low-level workers' was unknown to IRS leadership at the time it occurred," said Jenny Beth Martin, national coordinator for Tea Party Patriots, which describes itself as the nation's largest tea party organization. "President Obama must also apologize for his administration ignoring repeated complaints by these broad grassroots organizations of harassment by the IRS in 2012, and make concrete and transparent steps today to ensure this never happens again."

Ahem: "[IRS Commissioner Douglas] Shulman was appointed by President George W. Bush. His 6-year term ended in November."


I guess Obama took steps then, didn't he?
 
2013-05-10 02:08:31 PM  
So the IRS targeted groups that hate paying taxes and openly advertised the fact that they hated paying taxes, were taxed enough already, and other nonsense?

Makes sense to me. Go IRS.
 
2013-05-10 02:09:50 PM  
IRS Officials specifically targeted a group based on political affiliation.  Jail time.  Period.  I don't care what party, who was the president, none of it.  But the agents that called for the audits/investigations should all be doing serious jail time.  And their supervisors as well.
 
2013-05-10 02:11:04 PM  
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2013-05-10 02:20:13 PM  
"Lerner said the practice was initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati and was not motivated by political bias."

To be fair, the Cincinnati Tea Party is a determined fringe element that can't be counted upon to do the sensible thing.
 
2013-05-10 02:22:07 PM  
If I want to declare my organization, The New Patriot Armada and Tea Party Fishing Club, to be tax-exempt, the IRS should just accept that. It's just me and a few of the boys from the VFW, but we're a sovereign nation, by Grover.
/reposted from a redlit thread
//I never can pick the winners
 
2013-05-10 02:38:13 PM  

Wendy's Chili: This is outrageous. Tea Party groups would never engage in partisan campaigning.


www.simpsoncrazy.com
"Don't you have any neutral ones? 'May the better man win?' 'Let's have a good,
clean election?' That sort of thing? "
 
2013-05-10 02:41:02 PM  

netizencain: IRS Officials specifically targeted a group based on political affiliation.  Jail time.  Period.  I don't care what party, who was the president, none of it.  But the agents that called for the audits/investigations should all be doing serious jail time.  And their supervisors as well.


You don't honestly think that is going to happen do you? Please.
 
2013-05-10 02:41:34 PM  

Wendy's Chili: This is outrageous. Tea Party groups would never engage in partisan campaigning.


Yeah, this (sarcastic) sentiment pretty much sums up my opinion on the matter.  As for the accusation the IRS was partisan in its attacks, by all means, find me a group of progressive groups that should have been looked into further.  Until then, I'm not gonna be able to be upset that the IRS was making sure groups named "Taxed Enough Already (TEA) Party blah blah blahs" claiming tax exempt status weren't mainly political.
 
2013-05-10 02:44:25 PM  

netizencain: IRS Officials specifically targeted a group based on political affiliation.  Jail time.  Period.  I don't care what party, who was the president, none of it.  But the agents that called for the audits/investigations should all be doing serious jail time.  And their supervisors as well.


I will agree to this, once you prove it.  There are a ton of tax-exempt groups in the country and they are not allowed to be mainly political.  Some are named "Taxed Enough Already."  Do you think it is bad of the IRS to further investigate those groups because it seems like maybe they are political?  Of course you don't, you recognize that as a really farking smart thing to do.  So what you need to do is find a similar obvious progressive name that should have been investigated that was not.  Then you have proved specific targeting based on political affiliation.  Until then, you have only proved targeting based on having a political affiliation, which as we said is against the law.
 
2013-05-10 02:45:32 PM  
If this is true, completely 100% unacceptable, and whoever's in charge should be fired and prosecuted if its a crime.
 
2013-05-10 03:07:40 PM  

vernonFL: So the IRS targeted groups that hate paying taxes and openly advertised the fact that they hated paying taxes, were taxed enough already, and other nonsense?

Makes sense to me. Go IRS.


Its not like something like that could be use to intimidate. No sir
 
2013-05-10 03:08:03 PM  

DamnYankees: If this is true, completely 100% unacceptable, and whoever's in charge should be fired and prosecuted if its a crime.


THIS
 
2013-05-10 03:08:11 PM  
1 lady in Cincinatti.

THIS GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP!
 
2013-05-10 03:13:38 PM  
FTA: Tea Party groups were livid on Friday.

And that's different... how?
 
2013-05-10 03:16:15 PM  
I was present at an event in DC the day after the election that featured the IRS commissioner speaking before a CPA convention. From his tone regarding the election, I sincerely doubt he would undertake a mission like harassing right wingers on behalf of Obama.

Yeah, yeah... CSB.
 
2013-05-10 03:17:10 PM  

DamnYankees: If this is true, completely 100% unacceptable, and whoever's in charge should be fired and prosecuted if its a crime.


I completely agree. "Should."

But given how little happened when the Bush administration basically applied ideology tests for both federal judges and general staff across the board...

Not much hope in policy reversing itself back to the realm of morality, unfortunately.
 
2013-05-10 03:18:19 PM  

Car_Ramrod: 2) If your primary purpose is social welfare, why name yourself anything related to "tea party" or "patriot"? What do all these groups do?


They invite poor people over for tea?

//just kidding, poor people are morally inferior.
 
2013-05-10 03:18:27 PM  
Lerner said the practice was initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati and was not motivated by political bias. After her talk, she told The AP that no high level IRS officials knew about the practice.

Oh look, a sentence indicating that it was not a wide conspiracy but the act of a few low-level people. Let's bury that in the article and let the conservative outrage continue!
 
2013-05-10 03:19:25 PM  
Those low level auditors must have had their heads completely up their asses to think this was okay.
 
2013-05-10 03:19:25 PM  
It would have been REALLY easy for this to have never been a story, but some partisan director within the IRS went ahead and did it anyway.
 
2013-05-10 03:22:31 PM  

insano: Oh look, a sentence indicating that it was not a wide conspiracy but the act of a few low-level people.


People who actually believe those kinds of sentences are how the term "useful idiot" came to be.
 
2013-05-10 03:24:05 PM  

LasersHurt: 1 lady in Cincinatti.

THIS GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP!


Agreed.

This is Obama's Benghazi.
 
2013-05-10 03:24:59 PM  

netizencain: IRS Officials specifically targeted a group based on political affiliation.  Jail time.  Period.  I don't care what party, who was the president, none of it.  But the agents that called for the audits/investigations should all be doing serious jail time.  And their supervisors as well.


Targeting a group that is not supposed to have a political affiliation on the basis that they do have a political affiliation seems like common sense to me.
 
2013-05-10 03:25:39 PM  
Hit the political churches next please
 
2013-05-10 03:26:39 PM  

Weaver95: If I were looking for tax cheats, the tea party would be near the top of my list.


Actually, you should look at the top of the democrat party - those guys who are actually involved in the tax code.
You know people like Rangel and Geitner.  Certified tax cheats.

But...but....but....the Tea Party.
 
2013-05-10 03:26:54 PM  
Don't conservatives always trot out the saying "if you don't have anything to hide, then you don't have anything to fear" when it comes to government actions like this? Oh, but this time it's the government going after conservatives? Well of course, this time it's different!

So did they find anything tax fraudy from the Teabaggers?
 
2013-05-10 03:26:58 PM  

GoldSpider: insano: Oh look, a sentence indicating that it was not a wide conspiracy but the act of a few low-level people.

People who actually believe those kinds of sentences are how the term "useful idiot" came to be.


Oh really, then how high does the conspiracy go? Enlighten us.
 
2013-05-10 03:27:45 PM  

thurstonxhowell: netizencain: IRS Officials specifically targeted a group based on political affiliation.  Jail time.  Period.  I don't care what party, who was the president, none of it.  But the agents that called for the audits/investigations should all be doing serious jail time.  And their supervisors as well.

Targeting a group that is not supposed to have a political affiliation on the basis that they do have a political affiliation seems like common sense to me.


Really.  Funny how the head of the IRS sees that differently than you:  ""That was wrong. That was absolutely incorrect, it was insensitive and it was inappropriate. That's not how we go about selecting cases for further review," Lerner said at a conference sponsored by the American Bar Association."
 
2013-05-10 03:28:11 PM  

monoski: Hit the political churches next please


fark yes.
 
2013-05-10 03:28:24 PM  

lennavan: Wendy's Chili: This is outrageous. Tea Party groups would never engage in partisan campaigning.

Yeah, this (sarcastic) sentiment pretty much sums up my opinion on the matter.  As for the accusation the IRS was partisan in its attacks, by all means, find me a group of progressive groups that should have been looked into further.  Until then, I'm not gonna be able to be upset that the IRS was making sure groups named "Taxed Enough Already (TEA) Party blah blah blahs" claiming tax exempt status weren't mainly political.


They also targeted groups called "Patriots".

So you are now okay with profiling people based on their political beliefs?  Interesting.  Not surprising, but interesting.
 
2013-05-10 03:28:53 PM  
People that are always claiming to be the victim are claiming to be the victim. Must be a day that ends in -y
 
2013-05-10 03:29:19 PM  
QUICK to the defense of the IRS!!

Yeah, only on fark will you get that.

Geesh guys, you are way too predictable.
 
2013-05-10 03:29:19 PM  

GoldSpider: insano: Oh look, a sentence indicating that it was not a wide conspiracy but the act of a few low-level people.

People who actually believe those kinds of sentences are how the term "useful idiot" came to be.


Not like those brave and sensible few who assume that literally EVERYTHING is the highest order of scandal.
 
2013-05-10 03:31:04 PM  

magusdevil: FTA: Tea Party groups were livid on Friday.

And that's different... how?


Depends
 
2013-05-10 03:31:32 PM  

insano: Lerner said the practice was initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati and was not motivated by political bias. After her talk, she told The AP that no high level IRS officials knew about the practice.

Oh look, a sentence indicating that it was not a wide conspiracy but the act of a few low-level people. Let's bury that in the article and let the conservative outrage continue!


oh look, those were the people who were caught.
you think low-level people who work in the IRS have that much initiative?  Really??
 
2013-05-10 03:31:44 PM  

insano: Oh really, then how high does the conspiracy go? Enlighten us.


No higher than some mid-level director, I'd say.  But to believe that this was the work of proverbial "overzealous staffers" is to deny the tendency of managers to avoid responsibility by blaming underlings.
 
2013-05-10 03:32:24 PM  
Many things teabagger related were just ways to scam old people out of their retirement, so I can see why this would need to happen.
 
2013-05-10 03:32:47 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: People that are always claiming to be the victim are claiming to be the victim. Must be a day that ends in -y


Perhaps the government ought not give them valid reasons.
 
2013-05-10 03:32:48 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: People that are always claiming to be the victim are claiming to be the victim. Must be a day

IN WHICH THE IRS ADMITTED WHAT THEY DID.

Ftfy.
 
2013-05-10 03:32:50 PM  

netizencain: thurstonxhowell: netizencain: IRS Officials specifically targeted a group based on political affiliation.  Jail time.  Period.  I don't care what party, who was the president, none of it.  But the agents that called for the audits/investigations should all be doing serious jail time.  And their supervisors as well.

Targeting a group that is not supposed to have a political affiliation on the basis that they do have a political affiliation seems like common sense to me.

Really.  Funny how the head of the IRS sees that differently than you:  ""That was wrong. That was absolutely incorrect, it was insensitive and it was inappropriate. That's not how we go about selecting cases for further review," Lerner said at a conference sponsored by the American Bar Association."


He has to publicly represent the IRS. Politics are involved, and no one wants to appear to not give a shiat about TEA Partiers (even though no one gives a shiat about TEA Partiers), because they start whining and yelling. We, here, do not have those same constrictions on our opinions.

I would be surprised if anyone at the IRS honestly gave a shiat about this at all.
 
2013-05-10 03:33:28 PM  

FloydA: The Tea Party's expressed philosophy is that all taxation is bad and should be avoided by any means necessary.
For what possible reason, other than sneaky Obama-spiracy, might the IRS be particularly suspicious of them?  Must be Obama. Obviously.


OMG tax avoidance.  We should string these people up.... Oh wait we all avoid taxes when we can and it is perfectly legal to do so.
 
2013-05-10 03:34:06 PM  
Yet Tea Tarded Patriots are all for racial profiling Muslims.
 
2013-05-10 03:34:37 PM  

vernonFL: So the IRS targeted groups that hate paying taxes and openly advertised the fact that they hated paying taxes.
Makes sense to me. Go IRS.


Great, then lets have the IRS goes after all of the OWS members.
I am sure you will find far more tax cheats there than anywhere else.
 
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