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2013-05-10 02:46:22 PM
JustGetItRight:

It doesn't matter why they don't want to eat pork (delicious, wonderful, pork), all that matters is they don't want to eat it, they paid someone to serve a more expensive meat that didn't contain it, and that someone served pork labeled as lamb.

That's theft by deception and it is criminal.


This is it right here.  It DOES NOT MATTER what religion, if any is involved.  It does not matter if you or I personally believe in that religion.  They do, and paid to not eat what they didn't want.   I don't know why all these farkers have to bang on religion as if it's what's wrong here.  Hell, I'm the most non religious person you may ever meet, and I think this is a serious business wrongdoing as in they paid for what they did not get.

Me, try to take my delicious, delicious bacon and I will kill you with my bare hands.
 
2013-05-10 02:46:35 PM

farkeruk: I'd like to think that someone who ordered black bean burgers might be able to tell the difference.


Probably, but you know the point I was making.  Seems I remember Vegans threw a fit when they found out McDonald's fries were cooked in oils containing animal fat.

/And McDonald's changed oil so now their fries aren't as tasty so I hope someone's putting beef in black bean burgers right now.
//Not really.
///Well, mostly not really.
 
2013-05-10 02:47:21 PM
Suleman Nagdi, from the Federation of Muslim Organisations, said: "For people, this is touching at the very tenet of their faith, the very heart of their faith.

Is  this true.  "The very heart of their faith"?  The Christian Bible also says not to eat pork and shellfish and don't fark your sister, etc..  Most Christians consider it a bunch of Old Testament religiously insignificant nonsense, except the sister part - something based on health standards of the time.  Why would a Muslim have a different outlook?  Isn't there rule against pork from other than the same Muslim equivalent of the Old Testament?

/this is the part where I confess to not being a religious scholar and eveyone else saying "no shiat, you're no religious scholar...."

//also, this is a good place to point out that, my previous ham jokes aside, according to wikipedia, hamburgers are not always made from beef.
 
2013-05-10 02:47:47 PM
sounds like lazy meat packer just shoving whatever was handy down the grinder
 
2013-05-10 02:48:28 PM

Alphakronik: As an ex-Chef, rubbing pork on the meals of people who don't eat it yet complain and send back their dishes on a regular basis.


One patron ( a muslim) of the University Club in Portland, Oregon even sent back a note for me saying it was the tastiest burger he had ever had.

I love sending people to hell without their knowledge.

(BTW, in actual Halal theory, people who follow the rules aren't even allowed to eat food that has been prepared on the same surface as pork.  That shiat never happens).


I'm sure you think you make the world a better place too.
 
2013-05-10 02:48:34 PM

give me doughnuts: zabadu: fmk040: Dr Dreidel: Tatsuma: rev. dave: but unless it is related to religious ceremony,

For both Muslim and Jews, eating a meal is a religious ceremony

I'd actually be interested to see if that holds up as a legal argument. After all, doesn't the Tanya say that EVERYTHING can be elevated to the level of "religious ceremony"?

There is ceremony (or really, observance - "grace") at every meal, yeah, but it's kind of a stretch to call handwashing and birkat hamazon (grace before/after meals) a ceremony. Friday/Saturday/holiday meals are a different beast (because of the tradition to specifically have 3 meals, the pomp of kiddush, etc).

// do Muslims have b'dieved (accidental transgression) clauses?

Yeah, we do.
Quran 6:54: "Peace be on you!Your Lord had inscribed for Himself (the rule of) Mercy.Verily if any of you did evil in ignorance,and thereafter repented and amended (his conduct),Lo! He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

Even murder?


Murder requires intent, and therfore can't be done "in ignorance."


Sure it can.  I didn't know the gun was loaded, for one.

It just seems that quote seems to cover every evil transgression - not any particular.  You forgot to wash your eating hand?  Repent, amend and you are forgiven.  All religions seem to have this out-clause.  Jews- day of atonement.  Catholics - confession.  Oops, my bad.  I repent. I am forgiven.

Yep.
 
2013-05-10 02:48:40 PM

Dr Dreidel: orbister: There are also issues of power here.

As far as I know, there is no punishment for violating the rules on how to get dressed - think of them more as "preferences". He presents the "god-approved" way, but that doesn't mean your way is wrong (unless you put the pants on your head). Judaism has tolerance for ranges of opinion (certain restrictions apply).

DeathCipris: That's...troubling that people were/are that inept they can't figure out simple tasks without divine instruction.

Because until the 17th Century (when the Shulchan Aruch was written - it's the book the MB was based on), no Jews wore clothing? Having a standard - any standard - creates the idea that doing something mundane (like getting dressed) connects you to the larger group, or to the culture, or to god.

Maybe it's about control or superstition, but I always figured it was more of a "fundamentals" thing. Julio Franco has a fundamentally weird batting stance, but he made a 20-year MLB career using it, so...


Agreed. Humans have it in their psychology to belong to a group. It has brought together hundreds of thousands of people and accomplished crazy goals, whether good or evil. Like I said before, as long as it is something as inane as putting on a shirt and not killing people, I am cool with it.
 
2013-05-10 02:49:47 PM

JustGetItRight: farkeruk: I'd like to think that someone who ordered black bean burgers might be able to tell the difference.

Probably, but you know the point I was making.  Seems I remember Vegans threw a fit when they found out McDonald's fries were cooked in oils containing animal fat.

/And McDonald's changed oil so now their fries aren't as tasty so I hope someone's putting beef in black bean burgers right now.
//Not really.
///Well, mostly not really.


Wrong.  Fries were dipped in beef product prior to frying.
 
2013-05-10 02:50:27 PM

farkeruk: Suleman Nagdi, from the Federation of Muslim Organisations, said: "For people, this is touching at the very tenet of their faith, the very heart of their faith.  There needs to be a criminal procedure against the company," he said. "At least it would bring some confidence into the community."

What I'd love to ask this guy is why a God cares about us eating pork? I can grasp the concept of a god that exists that judges our moral behaviour. You murder someone or fark your neighbour's wife, yeah, I can see how a god might see that as wrong, in a way that helping someone look for a lost dog isn't.

But what's wrong with pigs, as opposed to sheep or chickens? It's all a bit farking arbitrary for a superbeing, isn't it?


i can tell you know next to nothing about what you eat

it just comes in a wrapper and it's all good for you

pigs and chickens can be very disgusting animals if you don't control what they eat, not to mentiuon that pigs are prone to diseases and parasites
 
2013-05-10 02:50:44 PM
I don't know how the sick tag applies here. Silly superstitions aside, way worse stuff has been found in burgers.
 
2013-05-10 02:50:56 PM
I guess that's better than supplying your Indian colonial troops with cartridges greased with beef or pork fat.

They can get ever so uppity and rebellious over such a silly thing.
 
2013-05-10 02:52:29 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: JustGetItRight:

It doesn't matter why they don't want to eat pork (delicious, wonderful, pork), all that matters is they don't want to eat it, they paid someone to serve a more expensive meat that didn't contain it, and that someone served pork labeled as lamb.

That's theft by deception and it is criminal.

This is it right here.  It DOES NOT MATTER what religion, if any is involved.  It does not matter if you or I personally believe in that religion.  They do, and paid to not eat what they didn't want.   I don't know why all these farkers have to bang on religion as if it's what's wrong here.  Hell, I'm the most non religious person you may ever meet, and I think this is a serious business wrongdoing as in they paid for what they did not get.

Me, try to take my delicious, delicious bacon and I will kill you with my bare hands.



Except they didn't pay. At least not any more than any other taxpayer. They had hissy fits and threatened legal action until the local council gave in and started serving only halal food (or food alleged to be halal).
 
2013-05-10 02:52:49 PM
legion_of_doo:

I respect other traditions, though. in reality, anyway, and not necessarily on the internet. I wouldn't serve meat to a vegetarian, nor pork to a Jew or Muslim. just a respect thing.

Yep.

I'm Jewish, but like 85%+ of Jews in America, I don't keep kosher.  I'm not religious, either.

That said, anytime we've invited any other Jews to our house for dinner, we ask if they keep kosher and to what extent that they do.  Sometimes it's as simple as, "No shellfish, but everything else is fine."  Sometimes it's "We don't mix meat and milk, but no need for separate utensils or dishes."  Many times, our Jewish friends maintain ZERO dietary restrictions.

Regardless of the level of dietary restriction (which may be none at all, it just depends on the person), we respect it.   Because respecting their dietary restrictions is part of respecting the person.
 
2013-05-10 02:52:55 PM

zabadu: JustGetItRight: farkeruk: I'd like to think that someone who ordered black bean burgers might be able to tell the difference.

Probably, but you know the point I was making.  Seems I remember Vegans threw a fit when they found out McDonald's fries were cooked in oils containing animal fat.

/And McDonald's changed oil so now their fries aren't as tasty so I hope someone's putting beef in black bean burgers right now.
//Not really.
///Well, mostly not really.

Wrong.  Fries were dipped in beef product prior to frying.


Mmm, beef product. Even the name is delicious.
 
2013-05-10 02:53:31 PM
Why is this "sick"? Because of some idiotic superstitious people? How about they start eating pork if they expect to live in a Christian country like the UK.
 
2013-05-10 02:53:37 PM

Alphakronik: As an ex-Chef, rubbing pork on the meals of people who don't eat it yet complain and send back their dishes on a regular basis.


One patron ( a muslim) of the University Club in Portland, Oregon even sent back a note for me saying it was the tastiest burger he had ever had.

I love sending people to hell without their knowledge.


It would suck if you had this guy for an employee and then got sued out of existence by some pissed off muslim lawyer.
 
2013-05-10 02:54:00 PM

zabadu: fmk040: Dr Dreidel: Tatsuma: rev. dave: but unless it is related to religious ceremony,

For both Muslim and Jews, eating a meal is a religious ceremony

I'd actually be interested to see if that holds up as a legal argument. After all, doesn't the Tanya say that EVERYTHING can be elevated to the level of "religious ceremony"?

There is ceremony (or really, observance - "grace") at every meal, yeah, but it's kind of a stretch to call handwashing and birkat hamazon (grace before/after meals) a ceremony. Friday/Saturday/holiday meals are a different beast (because of the tradition to specifically have 3 meals, the pomp of kiddush, etc).

// do Muslims have b'dieved (accidental transgression) clauses?

Yeah, we do.
Quran 6:54: "Peace be on you!Your Lord had inscribed for Himself (the rule of) Mercy.Verily if any of you did evil in ignorance,and thereafter repented and amended (his conduct),Lo! He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

Even murder?


Is it murder if it is actually accidental?  I'm pretty sure criminal law draws a rather emphatic line in between accidental murder and accidental killing, although I'm not a lawyer.  As far as a I understand, as long as no illegal act was committed due to which the deceased passed, with the understanding that it would not cause harm, it's an accidental killing, and not murder.
On the basis of Islamic law: Free a slave and/or pay compensation to the family of the deceased.  If neither can be done (you're flat broke, you can't pay for sponsoring children who are at work in sweat shop factories, etc), they you have to fast for two months.
 
2013-05-10 02:54:30 PM

Silverstaff: SphericalTime: FTA: <i>Suleman Nagdi, from the Federation of Muslim Organisations, said: "For people, this is touching at the very tenet of their faith, the very heart of their faith.  There needs to be a criminal procedure against the company," he said. "At least it would bring some confidence into the community."</i>

No, I think civil procedure would be just fine in this instance.  Violating the tenets of a religion really doesn't strike me as ever being a criminal matter.

Fraud?  Misrepresenting one product for another?  Depending on the jurisdiction you might be able to call that criminal.  Not for violating a religious belief, but for willfully mislabeling a product and advertising something as having traits (such as being halal) that it doesn't have.


Unless there were some sort of safety issue or a large price difference, that's a civil court issue. Especially when it's probably going to be hard to pin on one person.
 
2013-05-10 02:54:49 PM

zabadu: Sure it can. I didn't know the gun was loaded, for one.


Negligence, recklessness, depraved indifference = manslaughter.

Murder requires intent.
 
2013-05-10 02:56:21 PM

FizixJunkee: Sometimes it's "We don't mix meat and milk,


...does that mean they can have cheese, and they can have burger... but they can't has cheezburger?
 
2013-05-10 02:56:39 PM

fmk040: they you have to fast for two months.

FTFM
 
2013-05-10 02:57:16 PM

give me doughnuts: zabadu: Sure it can. I didn't know the gun was loaded, for one.

Negligence, recklessness, depraved indifference = manslaughter.

Murder requires intent.


Felony murder doesn't.
 
2013-05-10 02:57:21 PM

Headso: What if you call them steamed hams at the trial instead?


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-10 02:58:17 PM

zabadu: give me doughnuts: zabadu: fmk040: Dr Dreidel: Tatsuma: rev. dave: but unless it is related to religious ceremony,

For both Muslim and Jews, eating a meal is a religious ceremony

I'd actually be interested to see if that holds up as a legal argument. After all, doesn't the Tanya say that EVERYTHING can be elevated to the level of "religious ceremony"?

There is ceremony (or really, observance - "grace") at every meal, yeah, but it's kind of a stretch to call handwashing and birkat hamazon (grace before/after meals) a ceremony. Friday/Saturday/holiday meals are a different beast (because of the tradition to specifically have 3 meals, the pomp of kiddush, etc).

// do Muslims have b'dieved (accidental transgression) clauses?

Yeah, we do.
Quran 6:54: "Peace be on you!Your Lord had inscribed for Himself (the rule of) Mercy.Verily if any of you did evil in ignorance,and thereafter repented and amended (his conduct),Lo! He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

Even murder?


Murder requires intent, and therfore can't be done "in ignorance."

Sure it can.  I didn't know the gun was loaded, for one.

It just seems that quote seems to cover every evil transgression - not any particular.  You forgot to wash your eating hand?  Repent, amend and you are forgiven.  All religions seem to have this out-clause.  Jews- day of atonement.  Catholics - confession.  Oops, my bad.  I repent. I am forgiven.

Yep.


Do you understand what it means to repent and amend?  Or are you being deliberately inflammatory?
 
2013-05-10 02:58:33 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: So for kosher salt, does the rabbi like kill the salt in a spiritual way?

Kosher salt is actually just the dandruff swept up off of Boca Raton bingo hall floors.


They really need a vomit-inducing voting button on this site.
 
2013-05-10 02:59:00 PM

Tatsuma: Coming on a Bicycle: Why? Because they insult your invisible sky monster and the stuff he or she supposedly wrote up as a set of rules? Sure, it's a bit screwy of them, but they serve otherwise healthy food.

So it's alright to give product animals to vegans, because fark them and their stupid choices?

Very mature.


Yeah, a lot of people DO think that.  "It won't hurt them, it'll be good for them!"  (Simpsons did it.)

I kind of depend on the wider market power of muslims, hindus, and jews to have stricter labelling on foods.  Don't get me wrong, it's a different class.  If I eat something that's got animal bits in it, I might get an upset stomach.  Religious person might go to hell.

/stuff like this is exactly the reason I stopped eating meat.
//I'm sure they used the highest possible grade of pork in their cheapest possible burgers
 
2013-05-10 03:01:04 PM

Cubicle Jockey: The only issue with eating apex predators nowadays is rhe problem of toxin concentrations, but this problem DID NOT EXIST YET when the religious dietary rules were being put in place.


Actually, part of the problem is that predators, even back then, tended to collect parasites.  In addition, the prohibition against eating pork still makes sense - they're closer to humans physically, thus their diseases are more likely to cross(like the aforementioned parasites), but are still herd animals, as you put it, thus can transmit disease that way.
 
2013-05-10 03:01:07 PM

KiltedBastich: Tatsuma: Notabunny: It's hard to imagine how this could be a mistake. It's easy to imagine how this was done to increase profit. And knowing the meat was going to be labeled halal, it's also easy to imagine this being done out of hate.

Yeah, the mistake thing I don't buy, but frankly I don't think it's out of hatred either. Usually these things happen for one reason and one reason only: more profit.

'Oh you want these specifications, sure? I'm gonna use a substitute it for something cheaper, fark your beliefs I want more profit'

No real reason it couldn't be both. I could easily see a narrow-minded real 'Murican getting his jollies knowing he was boosting his bottom line and sticking it to the Mooslins at the same time.


one place i worked at had both Arabs and filipinos, on the days we had potliuck events guess who put in the un advertised pork in the mix?

it is not just the americans who are pissed off at the arabs
 
2013-05-10 03:03:00 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: farkeruk: But what's wrong with pigs, as opposed to sheep or chickens? It's all a bit farking arbitrary for a superbeing, isn't it?

Trichonosis'd be my guess.  People got seriously ill from eating undercooked pig so they took it as a sign from God that they shouldn't.

/can anyone confirm/deny?


Mel Brooks?
 
2013-05-10 03:03:22 PM

Tatsuma: worst type of people


It's low down, dirty, scum bag behavior but no physical harm happens from that. Child molesters, people who kidnap girls and hold them in basements for 10 years, people who plant bombs in crowds or blow up my office with hijacked airplanes - those are the worst type of people.
 
2013-05-10 03:03:33 PM

THX 1138: Headso: What if you call them steamed hams at the trial instead?

[25.media.tumblr.com image 400x291]


Good lord what's going on in the kitchen!
 
2013-05-10 03:05:01 PM
I'm an atheist myself, but I respect other people's faits as long as they don't try to impose them on me.
That said, this is a clear cut case of fraud, and should be prosecuted as such. I really don't give a rat's ass about the religious aspects, if you sell me beef ("beef" on the receipt, "beef" on the packaging etc) then what I'm getting better god damn well be beef, as in from a cow.
If You're selling me meat that is labeled "halal" or "kosher", then it had better be right with my god (if I had one) or it's fraud and therefore illegal.
Not a difficult concept, people.
 
2013-05-10 03:05:05 PM

fmk040: Yes, aardvark is permissible.

I'll take your word in that. Thankya
 
2013-05-10 03:07:19 PM

flondrix: nekom: That's why I only eat farm raised catfish.

Are farm raised fish necessarily less contaminated?  Just asking.


Not necessarily, but usually.  You can control what sort of water and other things you put in a pond.  The river is what it is, and we're still suffering the effects of the industrial revolution here.  Lots of PCB's, mercury, lead and such in the river.  Catfish, being bottom feeders, tend to suck that right up.  It's not enough to cause any acute problems, if you ate one out of the river now and then you'd be fine, but if you eat one a week you could wind up with chronic problems.  That's what I've heard, at least.
 
2013-05-10 03:07:36 PM

zabadu: It just seems that quote seems to cover every evil transgression - not any particular. You forgot to wash your eating hand? Repent, amend and you are forgiven. All religions seem to have this out-clause. Jews- day of atonement. Catholics - confession. Oops, my bad. I repent. I am forgiven.


You seem to be confusing the concepts of atonement and forgiveness with actual atonement and forgiveness.
 
2013-05-10 03:08:12 PM

Alphakronik: As an ex-Chef, rubbing pork on the meals of people who don't eat it yet complain and send back their dishes on a regular basis.


One patron ( a muslim) of the University Club in Portland, Oregon even sent back a note for me saying it was the tastiest burger he had ever had.

I love sending people to hell without their knowledge.

(BTW, in actual Halal theory, people who follow the rules aren't even allowed to eat food that has been prepared on the same surface as pork.  That shiat never happens).


So you just posted to boast about how much of an asshole you are? Do you really think that makes you look cool?

KiltedBastich: Do you enjoy knowing you are entirely predictable? How's that working out for you?


Except that I started replying to your post before you made your second, and either way it was really stupid

robertus: I have learned a thing today.

/Have you favorited as "his taste in music is awesome and we'd all better recognize"


Damn right! I updated the list recently actually
 
2013-05-10 03:10:16 PM

give me doughnuts: Satan's Bunny Slippers: JustGetItRight:

It doesn't matter why they don't want to eat pork (delicious, wonderful, pork), all that matters is they don't want to eat it, they paid someone to serve a more expensive meat that didn't contain it, and that someone served pork labeled as lamb.

That's theft by deception and it is criminal.

This is it right here.  It DOES NOT MATTER what religion, if any is involved.  It does not matter if you or I personally believe in that religion.  They do, and paid to not eat what they didn't want.   I don't know why all these farkers have to bang on religion as if it's what's wrong here.  Hell, I'm the most non religious person you may ever meet, and I think this is a serious business wrongdoing as in they paid for what they did not get.

Me, try to take my delicious, delicious bacon and I will kill you with my bare hands.


Except they didn't pay. At least not any more than any other taxpayer. They had hissy fits and threatened legal action until the local council gave in and started serving only halal food (or food alleged to be halal).


So the school/council got the product for free from the producers?  How nice.  And I see no mention of "taxpayers".  Statements from the Federation of Muslim Organisations, and the Halal Monitoring Committee, none of which threaten legal action.  Only states that there 'should be' legal action.  No one has filed anything against anyone, just voiced their displeasure.

So, who's threatening legal action, and who did not pay for the product?

Suleman Nagdi, from the Federation of Muslim Organisations, said: "For people, this is touching at the very tenet of their faith, the very heart of their faith.

"There needs to be a criminal procedure against the company," he said. "At least it would bring some confidence into the community."
 
2013-05-10 03:10:52 PM

Dr Dreidel: The Mishnah Berurah starts by describing how to start your day - wake up, do the dailies, prayers, yadda yadda - down to which arm goes in your shirt first and which you you put on and tie first.


You can't just yadda yadda over the most important part.

yadadrop.com

/ Were you talking about sex or shoplifting?
// I keed, I keed
 
2013-05-10 03:11:06 PM

Dr Dreidel: zabadu: It just seems that quote seems to cover every evil transgression - not any particular. You forgot to wash your eating hand? Repent, amend and you are forgiven. All religions seem to have this out-clause. Jews- day of atonement. Catholics - confession. Oops, my bad. I repent. I am forgiven.

You seem to be confusing the concepts of atonement and forgiveness with actual atonement and forgiveness.


I guess I just haven't met someone that has atoned and really meant it.  If there is a God, and he forgives you if you just ask, then what is the point?  Why be a good person if you can just say "oops" and get forgiven?
 
2013-05-10 03:12:46 PM

zyrian: So how do you sue somebody for sending you to imaginary afterlife place with hot climate?


Simple. By stating that they sold you a product claiming that it was such and such when it wasn't.

If I am being sold meat that has been labeled as being beef from cows only to find out that it is actually horse meat, I can sue them for not giving me what I had ordered. Same rule applies here. You don't need to bring God into it.

It's funny how people are laughing over religious dietary restrictions and how these people should get over it. If I ordered an Angus beef hamburger, you better believe I expect to get an Angus beef hamburger and not something else. If I am lied to,  you should expect for me to get upset.
 
2013-05-10 03:12:47 PM

fmk040: Do you understand what it means to repent and amend?  Or are you being deliberately inflammatory?


haven't you been here long enough to know it's the latter
 
2013-05-10 03:12:58 PM

berylman: fmk040: Yes, aardvark is permissible.
I'll take your word in that. Thankya


They may be called ground pigs, but they're not from the family suidae.  Commonly accepted belief is that anything 'porcine' would fall into that category, although, taxonomy is not my area of expertise.
Also, where did you get aardvark?
 
2013-05-10 03:13:06 PM
Who the hell eats lamburgers?
theinspirationroom.com
Oh.


and t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-05-10 03:13:25 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Good lord what's going on in the kitchen!



Ummm...  Aurora Borealis?

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-10 03:13:47 PM

Alphakronik: As an ex-Chef, rubbing pork on the meals of people who don't eat it yet complain and send back their dishes on a regular basis.


One patron ( a muslim) of the University Club in Portland, Oregon even sent back a note for me saying it was the tastiest burger he had ever had.

I love sending people to hell without their knowledge.

(BTW, in actual Halal theory, people who follow the rules aren't even allowed to eat food that has been prepared on the same surface as pork.  That shiat never happens).


At no point in time were you ever a "chef" and you have forever lost any right to call yourself one, experience aside. You were a glorified line cook and a piece of shiat, and an embarassment to the human race, and I think most every Farker agrees.
 
2013-05-10 03:15:14 PM

loonatic112358: fmk040: Do you understand what it means to repent and amend?  Or are you being deliberately inflammatory?

haven't you been here long enough to know it's the latter


Hope spring eternal, ya know?
 
2013-05-10 03:15:26 PM

Tatsuma: Rational minds are limited and you can be led down the wrong path by following it, while by following G-d you will not go wrong.


Hold the phone... don't all extremists that blow shiat up claim that they are following their particular commands of their assumed creator? Maybe they won't go wrong, but most certainly, an extremist will justify wrong-doing in the name of their deity.

Anyway... how's the weather out your way? Here, it started off raining and crappy, and has bloomed into a full court press mild summer day. I shouldn't even be here today... haha
 
2013-05-10 03:15:54 PM
TIL if i travel to Europe, go vegetarian for the whole damned trip

though considering the stupidity of the US meat packing industry.......
 
2013-05-10 03:17:18 PM

Dr. Goldshnoz: o noes, muslims were tricked into eating delicious pig, which goes against their cult!

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I assume that all of the "fark 'em, who cares" types in this thread wouldn't be upset if they were told that the burger they'd just finished eating contained human semen.
 
2013-05-10 03:17:30 PM

special20: Hold the phone... don't all extremists that blow shiat up claim that they are following their particular commands of their assumed creator? Maybe they won't go wrong, but most certainly, an extremist will justify wrong-doing in the name of their deity.


I was specifically talking about Judaism.
 
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