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(BBC)   "Halal" school cafeteria burger found to be 50% pork, surprising many that it contained any actual meat at all   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 382
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2013-05-10 01:25:16 PM  
Hog. Anus. Lamb. Anus. Lentils.  HALAL.
 
2013-05-10 01:25:30 PM  

Soygen: If god dictates your diet, then maybe you should pack your own lunch.


How dare you bring common sense into this debate

/are you new here?
 
2013-05-10 01:25:54 PM  

RottNDude: Ah yes, religious dietary restrictions, a tenet of yore that has absolutely no basis in the real world...


I may be totally off base here.  But for some reform Jews I know it's more about fidelity to God's rules.  They don't have to make sense or be practical.

I think there's a dude in the Old Testament who tried to steady the Arc of the Covenant so it wouldn't fall during transport.  God smote him good, because you don't touch it.  His intentions were good, but he still broke the rules.

Tats would know better.
 
2013-05-10 01:25:55 PM  

NostroZ: At least it's not Chinese rat-burgers (advertised as lamb).

It happens everywhere and that's why I'm very suspicious of where my food comes from.

www.topito.com

 
2013-05-10 01:26:15 PM  

Tatsuma: If you want to make sure that the meat you are buying is 100% beef or something similar, you just need to find a butcher that sells meat under reputable Kosher supervision. No way you will be getting horse or pork or anything like that.


Yes, because kosher butchers and stores never sub in non-kosher products to make a buck....

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2013/04/04/3123556/kosher-scandals-l ik e-doheny-rare-but-not-unheard-of
 
2013-05-10 01:26:34 PM  
The products were made by Doncaster-based Paragon Quality Foods Limited, which said it had never knowingly bought or handled pork.

"That's lamb there, right? RIGHT? It looks like lamb to me. No don't show me the invoice or bill of lading, I'm sure it's lamb. Hey Phil, put this here lamb in the lamb grinder, and make lamb burgers out of it, okay?"
 
2013-05-10 01:26:54 PM  

Mr Guy: SphericalTime: FTA: <i>Suleman Nagdi, from the Federation of Muslim Organisations, said: "For people, this is touching at the very tenet of their faith, the very heart of their faith.  There needs to be a criminal procedure against the company," he said. "At least it would bring some confidence into the community."</i>

No, I think civil procedure would be just fine in this instance.  Violating the tenets of a religion really doesn't strike me as ever being a criminal matter.

Mislabeling interstate commerce with the intent to defraud seems criminal to me.


UK has interstate commerce laws?
 
2013-05-10 01:27:23 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well that's just offal


shifty lookin bleeder:

I agree.  I think the cafeteria would have been better off with a non-prophet supplier.

Y'all are killin me!!!!
 
2013-05-10 01:28:06 PM  
HaLOL
 
2013-05-10 01:28:27 PM  

special20: So if it was goat meat, nobody would care?


If it was halal goat meat, nobody would care indeed.

Diogenes: I may be totally off base here. But for some reform Jews I know it's more about fidelity to God's rules. They don't have to make sense or be practical.

I think there's a dude in the Old Testament who tried to steady the Arc of the Covenant so it wouldn't fall during transport. God smote him good, because you don't touch it. His intentions were good, but he still broke the rules.

Tats would know better.


It is said that Shlomo HaMelech (King Solomon) understood 300 different reasons for all the commandments in the Torah. Except for the Red Heifer, which just stumped him. In the end his conclusion was very simple:

We might understand many reasons for the various commandments that G-d gave us, but ultimately we do them because we were commanded to, not because it makes sense to our rational minds. Rational minds are limited and you can be led down the wrong path by following it, while by following G-d you will not go wrong.
 
2013-05-10 01:28:55 PM  
Couldn't just shut your halal-hole, huh?
 
2013-05-10 01:29:15 PM  

RottNDude: Ah yes, religious dietary restrictions, a tenet of yore that has absolutely no basis in the real world...


There is a scientific basis. Clean meats are at the bottom of the food chain and don't carry as many diseases. Beef, lamb, goat, etc can be cooked to a much lower temp since they don't and have a MUCH lower risk of making people sick
 
2013-05-10 01:29:41 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Yes, because kosher butchers and stores never sub in non-kosher products to make a buck....


Notice I said 'reputable'. These things sadly do happen, but they are extremely rare.
 
2013-05-10 01:29:42 PM  
That lamb could have been sexually assaulted.
 
2013-05-10 01:30:45 PM  
Those poor children are now condemned to Hell through no fault of their own.  Since they never ate pork, how would they be able to tell it was pork?

Dietary laws are a throwback.  I have respect for the substance of most religious practices, but unless it is related to religious ceremony, it is not something I do not respect too much.
 
2013-05-10 01:31:56 PM  

Tatsuma: 'Im gonna use a substitute it for something cheaper, fark your beliefs I want more profit'


THIS is what it (and all the other meat 'scandals' of late, are all about. The companies outsource for cheaper supplies (especially in the wake of economic strife), and smaller, cheaper (Eastern Bloc) companies end up winning national contracts because their quotes are hundreds of thousands of dollars cheaper for the year's supply than their western-goverened competition can (who adhere to well policed EU cross-contamination laws)

The current burgeoning market for Eastern Bloc labour here in Sweden is meaning that many lo)cal, educated, traders are feeling the pinch, and many building jobs are being slapped down anyoldhow, sometimes leading to massive repairs or even demolition-and-restart projects.

/have had 2nd hand experience in the matter
 
2013-05-10 01:32:01 PM  
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HALAL 9000
i'm sorry dave.  but the q'ran states that pork is not kosher
 
2013-05-10 01:32:13 PM  
May the Pork be with you. Imam gonna tell my mom
 
2013-05-10 01:32:14 PM  

rev. dave: but unless it is related to religious ceremony,


For both Muslim and Jews, eating a meal is a religious ceremony

rev. dave: it is not something I do not respect too much.


So you do respect it?
 
2013-05-10 01:32:42 PM  
HALALALALALALALALA!
 
2013-05-10 01:33:16 PM  

cwolf20: May the Pork be with you. Imam gonna tell my mom


The second part of that I blame on decongestants and the sausage I will partake of in a few minutes
 
2013-05-10 01:33:59 PM  

Lucky LaRue: I hope the people that are manufacturing and producing these burgers get their asses handed to them.


They're serving donkey too?
 
2013-05-10 01:34:26 PM  
Wonder how long before the first beheading?
 
2013-05-10 01:34:37 PM  

Tatsuma: Notabunny: It's hard to imagine how this could be a mistake. It's easy to imagine how this was done to increase profit. And knowing the meat was going to be labeled halal, it's also easy to imagine this being done out of hate.

Yeah, the mistake thing I don't buy, but frankly I don't think it's out of hatred either. Usually these things happen for one reason and one reason only: more profit.

'Oh you want these specifications, sure? I'm gonna use a substitute it for something cheaper, fark your beliefs I want more profit'


You're probably right in this case.

Pork price trends

Lamb price trends

In December 2012, pork was at 80 cents/pound and lamb was at 88.  In March 2013, lamb's at 98 and pork's at 76.

Somebody couldn't or wouldn't absorb the extra cost needed to keep using straight lamb.
 
2013-05-10 01:35:01 PM  

RottNDude: Ah yes, religious dietary restrictions, a tenet of yore that has absolutely no basis in the real world...


Modern world
 
2013-05-10 01:35:14 PM  

Tatsuma: People who do these kinds of things (usually for profits) are the worst type of people.


Why? Because they insult your invisible sky monster and the stuff he or she supposedly wrote up as a set of rules? Sure, it's a bit screwy of them, but they serve otherwise healthy food.
 
2013-05-10 01:35:45 PM  
spooks and vudu.
Shut up and eat it.
there's kids starving in ethiopia.
frikking skyking wanks.
 
2013-05-10 01:35:48 PM  

special20: So if it was goat meat, nobody would care?


Mmm, goat burgers.
 
2013-05-10 01:36:04 PM  
While religious dietary restrictions are mostly silly, it doesn't mean you can do this.
 
2013-05-10 01:36:15 PM  

Nattering Nabob: There is a scientific basis. Clean meats are at the bottom of the food chain and don't carry as many diseases. Beef, lamb, goat, etc can be cooked to a much lower temp since they don't and have a MUCH lower risk of making people sick


But none of these religions forbid eating chicken, despite chicken carrying salmonella that is far more likely to make you sick than pork.
 
2013-05-10 01:36:48 PM  
Meanwhile no one gives a shiat that just about any seafood your order at a restaurant is mislabeled, which has been documented over and over again.
 
2013-05-10 01:38:04 PM  
So how do you sue somebody for sending you to imaginary afterlife place with hot climate?
 
2013-05-10 01:38:08 PM  

Notabunny: Tatsuma: People who do these kinds of things (usually for profits) are the worst type of people.

It's hard to imagine how this could be a mistake. It's easy to imagine how this was done to increase profit. And knowing the meat was going to be labeled halal, it's also easy to imagine this being done out of hate.


Sounds more like cutting lamb meat with pork would reduce costs. Probably the same reason why there is horse meat masquerading as beef. And why cheese manufacturers include cellulose in their cheeses. The people who make those decisions are probably too greedy to care about hate.
 
2013-05-10 01:38:35 PM  
Is Horse meat Hala?

I'll bet if the lamb burgers contained horse meat instead of pork we would not hear much outrage from the muslims.   But we wouldn't be able to hear them over the outrage of the non-muslims.
 
2013-05-10 01:38:52 PM  

Coming on a Bicycle: Why? Because they insult your invisible sky monster and the stuff he or she supposedly wrote up as a set of rules? Sure, it's a bit screwy of them, but they serve otherwise healthy food.


So it's alright to give product animals to vegans, because fark them and their stupid choices?

Very mature.
 
2013-05-10 01:39:17 PM  

cwolf20: Lucky LaRue: I hope the people that are manufacturing and producing these burgers get their asses handed to them.

They're serving donkey too?


Yes.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/horse-meat-scandal-donkey-meat- 17 13934
 
2013-05-10 01:39:25 PM  

farkeruk: Nattering Nabob: There is a scientific basis. Clean meats are at the bottom of the food chain and don't carry as many diseases. Beef, lamb, goat, etc can be cooked to a much lower temp since they don't and have a MUCH lower risk of making people sick

But none of these religions forbid eating chicken, despite chicken carrying salmonella that is far more likely to make you sick than pork.


Does it behoove you to consider that it's hooved animals and a chicken isn't hooved.
 
2013-05-10 01:39:35 PM  

Tatsuma: rev. dave: but unless it is related to religious ceremony,

For both Muslim and Jews, eating a meal is a religious ceremony

rev. dave: it is not something I do not respect too much.

So you do respect it?


My tricky double negative was caught.

It depends....
Jains do not eat meat.  That is fine.
Jews -  do not eat pork, meat and cheese together, some do not use the same utensils for dairy and meat, no shellfish or fish without scales - it can go really overboard
Muslims are generally not eating pork AFAIK - seems simple enough unless they get the extended version like Jews.
Hindus do not eat beef, some don't eat pork either
Buddhists usually avoid meat depending on the sect and level of devotion
Catholics avoid meat on Fridays during lent
7th day Adventists do not eat meat

See it gets way out of hand when you avoid more than 1 kind of thing.  How can you take them all seriously?
 
2013-05-10 01:39:40 PM  

Tatsuma: KiltedBastich: No real reason it couldn't be both. I could easily see a narrow-minded real 'Murican getting his jollies knowing he was boosting his bottom line and sticking it to the Mooslins at the same time.

... you know you're obsessed when you blame the Tea Party for something that happened in England.


Never ascribe to obsession that which can be explained by mere stupidity.
 
2013-05-10 01:40:07 PM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: Is Horse meat Hala?


Halal has to do not only with the animal, but how it was slaughtered. It has to be done with a special prayer and knife that qualifies according to Sharia. It's not just a question of animal swapping, beef can be halal and it can be haram (forbidden)
 
2013-05-10 01:40:27 PM  
Wait, I though that as long as it was blessed by a high priestess that they were no longer allergic to it... Is that right? I can never keep these retarded religions straight.
 
2013-05-10 01:40:34 PM  
Which makes zero sense since lambs have hooves, I know.  But some people give "That" as the reason why they don't eat pork
 
2013-05-10 01:40:43 PM  
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2013-05-10 01:40:54 PM  

Lucky LaRue: I hope the people that are manufacturing and producing these burgers get their asses handed to them.


Why? Wasn't the meat perfectly safe?
 
2013-05-10 01:41:12 PM  

Tatsuma: RottNDude: Ah yes, religious dietary restrictions, a tenet of yore that has absolutely no basis in the real world...

Therefore, fark them for wanting to abide by it while not forcing you to abide by them?

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Archaic religious restrictions aside, I think we can all agree that it would be nice if when we ate stuff, it was actually what we thought we were eating.

A DNA test found the burger contained between 10 and 50% pork.
Why even quote the number with a range that big? Burger also contained between 0 and 110% unicorn.
 
2013-05-10 01:41:39 PM  
No no no, let me explain. These "Halal" burgers must have come from Hungary, where the word "halal" means "death". Pork or no pork, they are just what their name implies, death burgers. Frankly, those kids are lucky if they are not dead yet.
 
2013-05-10 01:41:57 PM  

cwolf20: Which makes zero sense since lambs have hooves, I know.  But some people give "That" as the reason why they don't eat pork


It's not just hooves, it's having split hooves and chewing the cud. And it's a specific splitting as well, same goes for the way the cud is chewed.
 
2013-05-10 01:42:11 PM  
Even if you are tricked into eating pork, you're still going to hell. Ha Ha!
 
2013-05-10 01:42:42 PM  
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Yeah, way to go guys!
 
2013-05-10 01:43:18 PM  

SphericalTime: FTA: <i>Suleman Nagdi, from the Federation of Muslim Organisations, said: "For people, this is touching at the very tenet of their faith, the very heart of their faith.  There needs to be a criminal procedure against the company," he said. "At least it would bring some confidence into the community."</i>

No, I think civil procedure would be just fine in this instance.  Violating the tenets of a religion really doesn't strike me as ever being a criminal matter.


Fraud?  Misrepresenting one product for another?  Depending on the jurisdiction you might be able to call that criminal.  Not for violating a religious belief, but for willfully mislabeling a product and advertising something as having traits (such as being halal) that it doesn't have.
 
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