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(Slate)   Slate: Making kids play team sports in PE is neither healthy nor educational, uses as an example: dodgeball, probably the most sociopathic "team sport" of them all   (slate.com) divider line 328
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2013-05-10 05:54:09 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: I'm sure this horse has been beat to death already, but all phys ed and sports teams in public k-12 schools are a complete waste of student time and parent tax dollars. Trash the sports teams completely to save the money, and change phys ed to a nutrition ed and daily workout class. Make everyone be on the elliptical for 45 mins every day. that would actually get people in shape and be way better than the farce that is a new sport every week, never to be picked up again by anyone until next years PE class. Elliptical is also way better for the body than that farking retard weekly mile run.


Oh please 20 years ago kids in HS were having notes written to excuse them from gym class all the time. You think they are gonna be ok with actually having to break a sweat on an elliptical machine ?

The kids that didn't want to do gym then are the same kind of kids who won't do it now.

The thing about gym that sucks is by the time everyone changes and is ready there was only like 30 minutes or less for a class. It is basically an exercise of changing your clothes.
 
2013-05-10 05:57:30 PM  
I've always hated sports and I sucked ass at gym, but BY GOD I love me some dodgeball! That was about the only activity in gym I ever enjoyed.

Wait, I'm wrong. I enjoyed square dancing, too.

/Yes, yes I did
 
2013-05-10 05:58:02 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: ManateeGag: when I was growing up, dodge ball was hardly a team sport.  there was no team work, no helping each other out.  there was a lot of "every man for himself" on both sides of the line.

We played with tennis balls too. Nowadays I think they'd call in grief counselors to share our feelings about some of the bruising we took.

I brought this up in a conversation with a group of my old high school classmates last year. The catalyst was this article. Now, most of my classmates' kids are getting into the late teen age range but there are still a few who started late. My question was when did we become such shiatty parents where we were so overly concerned about our kids and why? When we were growing up, many of our Fathers were WWII and/or Korea vets. We were all but expected to get into fights, (get caught fighting in school you'd get hauled to the gym, put on gloves and headgear and duke it out until tired then get a swat or two and sent to class), get cuts and scrapes, break a bone or two and into mischief. You might get your ass kicked, some stitches, wince at Bactine's sting or wear a cast for a couple of months but it was all part of growing up. A standard reply when you thought you were wronged was 'life's not fair'.

I'm stunned at how parents (when they have parents but that's a whole 'nuther conversation) act towards their kids today. Everyone's a winner, there are no losers, call the cops when a couple of 13 year olds squab on the ball field after school...These parents are in their late 30s to late 40s...just about my age and down. What made them such pussies?


Libs.
 
2013-05-10 06:00:28 PM  

R.A.Danny: Dr. Goldshnoz: Make everyone be on the elliptical for 45 mins every day.

Conjugate the verb "to be"

I be
you be
he be
she be
we be
they be


Congratulations: you just failed at English. Sometimes the infinitive form of the verb is required. This is one of those times.
 
2013-05-10 06:01:44 PM  

Pawprint: Sometimes the infinitive form of the verb is required.


But not the singular.

Can we get a ruling?
 
2013-05-10 06:02:50 PM  
I mean, I would take your word for it, but :

Location:Central FL
 
2013-05-10 06:05:41 PM  

R.A.Danny: Pawprint: Sometimes the infinitive form of the verb is required.

But not the singular.

Can we get a ruling?


Singular of what? Let's go this route: how would you propose to "correct" the sentence you quoted?

And does it help that I'm not a Florida native?
 
2013-05-10 06:11:32 PM  
teenage mutant ninja rapist:
I knew another snob was about to say something.

lets go full out and just institute vale tudo in second grade.

never mind this pu*sy footing around


Aikido, Kung-fu, and creationism have 1 very important thing in common... they are all fantasies.

/ Judo-Wrestling-BJJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aikido
 
2013-05-10 06:18:27 PM  

Pawprint: R.A.Danny: Dr. Goldshnoz: Make everyone be on the elliptical for 45 mins every day.

Conjugate the verb "to be"

I be
you be
he be
she be
we be
they be

Congratulations: you just failed at English. Sometimes the infinitive form of the verb is required. This is one of those times.


I was going to point out how he cant refute me so he went grammer nazi on me, but i see you be on it already.
 
2013-05-10 06:20:15 PM  

Bruxellensis: We had to learn how to line dance in PE.  Yeah.  I farking HATE country music, and hate frig-dancing even more.

/but we got to play lots of hockey and dodgeball


My Freshman year they forced us to learn polka.  This in a school with a 3:2 ratio boys to girls.  So guy-guy partnerships quickly turned it into full contact polka.  That turned out to be more fun than we were allowed to have so it was back to dodgeball.
 
2013-05-10 06:20:31 PM  

kindms: Dr. Goldshnoz: I'm sure this horse has been beat to death already, but all phys ed and sports teams in public k-12 schools are a complete waste of student time and parent tax dollars. Trash the sports teams completely to save the money, and change phys ed to a nutrition ed and daily workout class. Make everyone be on the elliptical for 45 mins every day. that would actually get people in shape and be way better than the farce that is a new sport every week, never to be picked up again by anyone until next years PE class. Elliptical is also way better for the body than that farking retard weekly mile run.

Oh please 20 years ago kids in HS were having notes written to excuse them from gym class all the time. You think they are gonna be ok with actually having to break a sweat on an elliptical machine ?

The kids that didn't want to do gym then are the same kind of kids who won't do it now.

The thing about gym that sucks is by the time everyone changes and is ready there was only like 30 minutes or less for a class. It is basically an exercise of changing your clothes.


I agree on all the points you made, but I don't think any of them really contradict what I'm saying. So... agree to agree while shaking tiny fists at each other?
 
2013-05-10 06:21:34 PM  

impaler: I sucked at team sports, but I loved dodgeball.

Kickball can go fark itself.


Ditto.  I was damn good at dodging the ball.  What annoyed me was I'd be the very last one knocked out, so we'd lose, and the class jock would blame me for the team losing.  Fark you.  I lasted longer than you and it took them 15 minutes to get me even though I was their only target.
 
2013-05-10 06:27:17 PM  

hasty ambush: PowerSlacker: Here's some more of Jessica Olien's "work" in case you hate yourself.

Sadly she is in position to influence others with her squishy ideas:

I also teach writing courses at UCLA, NYU and Mediabistro.

Sort of not unattractive but would have to see her naked to be sure

[www.jessicaolien.com image 418x428]


Just saw her illustrations and comics. Boy does she suck.
 
2013-05-10 06:28:43 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: Pawprint: R.A.Danny: Dr. Goldshnoz: Make everyone be on the elliptical for 45 mins every day.

Conjugate the verb "to be"

I be
you be
he be
she be
we be
they be

Congratulations: you just failed at English. Sometimes the infinitive form of the verb is required. This is one of those times.

I was going to point out how he cant refute me so he went grammer nazi on me, but i see you be on it already.


Are on it already.

And try an adverb once in a while. It will add some grace to your writing.

I'm driving home presently so my ability to write will be hampered for a while.
 
2013-05-10 06:36:59 PM  

factoryconnection: tlars699: In other words, if there was a system where everyone had access to healthcare, that was paid for by a single central pool, we could go on with living our lives the way they were supposed to be lived?

Slow down, there.... if you think they haven't bubble-wrapped everything in the UK in the name of "Health and Safety" then I think you'll be disappointed.  Concern-trolling IRL is pretty prevalent.


Yes, but in the UK there are different levels of the pool. The private companies still have sway over the deep end. Sweden would be a better example of what we should be shooting for. Speaking of, Brevik was still able to obtain a gun and end up shooting 77 people, so I'm sure that you won't have too much concern about the 2nd Amendment, if that's what you're afraid about.
 
2013-05-10 06:41:46 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: kindms: Dr. Goldshnoz: I'm sure this horse has been beat to death already, but all phys ed and sports teams in public k-12 schools are a complete waste of student time and parent tax dollars. Trash the sports teams completely to save the money, and change phys ed to a nutrition ed and daily workout class. Make everyone be on the elliptical for 45 mins every day. that would actually get people in shape and be way better than the farce that is a new sport every week, never to be picked up again by anyone until next years PE class. Elliptical is also way better for the body than that farking retard weekly mile run.

Oh please 20 years ago kids in HS were having notes written to excuse them from gym class all the time. You think they are gonna be ok with actually having to break a sweat on an elliptical machine ?

The kids that didn't want to do gym then are the same kind of kids who won't do it now.

The thing about gym that sucks is by the time everyone changes and is ready there was only like 30 minutes or less for a class. It is basically an exercise of changing your clothes.

I agree on all the points you made, but I don't think any of them really contradict what I'm saying. So... agree to agree while shaking tiny fists at each other?


WAY TO GO! YOU HAVE COME UP WITH A PLAN TO NEVER ALLOW CHILDREN TO HAVE FUN/Be in an effective cooperative physical setting/Allow for creativity in a physcial setting/Allow them to learn about anatomy before med school.

FUN, LIKE LIFE, ISN'T FAIR.
 
2013-05-10 06:52:57 PM  

tlars699: Dr. Goldshnoz: kindms: Dr. Goldshnoz: I'm sure this horse has been beat to death already, but all phys ed and sports teams in public k-12 schools are a complete waste of student time and parent tax dollars. Trash the sports teams completely to save the money, and change phys ed to a nutrition ed and daily workout class. Make everyone be on the elliptical for 45 mins every day. that would actually get people in shape and be way better than the farce that is a new sport every week, never to be picked up again by anyone until next years PE class. Elliptical is also way better for the body than that farking retard weekly mile run.

Oh please 20 years ago kids in HS were having notes written to excuse them from gym class all the time. You think they are gonna be ok with actually having to break a sweat on an elliptical machine ?

The kids that didn't want to do gym then are the same kind of kids who won't do it now.

The thing about gym that sucks is by the time everyone changes and is ready there was only like 30 minutes or less for a class. It is basically an exercise of changing your clothes.

I agree on all the points you made, but I don't think any of them really contradict what I'm saying. So... agree to agree while shaking tiny fists at each other?

WAY TO GO! YOU HAVE COME UP WITH A PLAN TO NEVER ALLOW CHILDREN TO HAVE FUN/Be in an effective cooperative physical setting/Allow for creativity in a physcial setting/Allow them to learn about anatomy before med school.

FUN, LIKE LIFE, ISN'T FAIR.


I'm sorry you were under the impression school was about fun.
 
2013-05-10 08:04:54 PM  
I loved dodgeball. It was the one chance to hit the prissy popular girls in the face and not get in trouble. That, and letting the chubby kids make themselves useful by being a target.
 
2013-05-10 08:40:03 PM  
competition is great. no more farking tie games, nor everybody is a winner bull shiat. dodge ball is great because the feedback is instant... hit or be hit. it's a good lesson.

children should learn that losing sucks in a painful way. another benefit of being drilled by a dodge ball.
 
2013-05-10 08:48:05 PM  
And the wussification of America continues.....
 
2013-05-10 08:55:34 PM  
Being tall and going to a small school, I was pegged by coaches for football, basketball or wrestling, track....

Hated football - don't like the full contact.  Basketball was not better and wrestling?  Well we had a Ski team - and running laps on cross country skiis is not much different than any other punishment.  Plus once in a while we got to run gates, or best of all, play soccer in a field of snow - about a foot - talk about a workout - the ball does not roll, you really have to run.

We had some PE classes that were fun - when we moved into the new HS, there was a sort of handball court, we also had vollyball, which I was OK at being tall enough to have a pretty wicked spike even if I could not jump for shiat.  And square dancing.  Man, that was my favorite as we got to do it in proximity to pretty girls and hold their hands and twirl 'em and all of that - it was one of the most popular classes but not really much excercise.    "Head couples, up to the middle and back, side couple do the same come on home and swing your partner, corner gal and alamen left with the old left and and on into the right and left grand come on home and promenade!"
 
2013-05-10 10:47:04 PM  

Taoist Jedi: We've tried to set different academic levels so all kids get at least a basic education, why not try the same with phys ed?


Because we want to impress the idea in school children fairly early on that you need to be okay with the most athletic kids getting the most respect, and everybody else feeling various levels of inadequacy. Basically, it's about keeping traditions going that are so deep down people can't even really talk about them. Which is why the curriculum hasn't changed.
 
2013-05-11 01:34:24 AM  

HeadLever: impaler: I sucked at team sports, but I loved dodgeball.

Kickball can go fark itself.

Ahh, reminds me of the days of wallball where 1/2 the class were always sporting racquet ball sized briuses. In those days, the teachers would just roll thier eyes at us.  I am sure that game is no longer allowed.


Ahhhh, wallball. The teachers at my Jr. High used to watch and laugh.
 
2013-05-11 01:54:22 AM  

Walker: I think Wallball is more sociopath. They made us stand against a brick wall and other kids would throw balls as hard as they could at us. Nowhere to run cause you're against a wall.


Ahhh, memories...

/loved Wallball
//it should be a pro sport
 
2013-05-11 12:22:26 PM  

jst3p: I should probably feel bad about, but I don't


You probably don't need to feel bad about adults being paid millions to risk personal injury. Things could be better -- for example, we could hold professional sports leagues to the same workman's-comp standards we do other employers, or require that compensation packages include ongoing access to medical treatment -- but in general that end of the situation is not inherently unreasonable.

But you should feel bad about the thousands of high-school and college football players that don't get a the positive attention you cite, don't get a free education, and never have any chance at making millions (or even being paid at all), but are encouraged to put themselves at great risk because of the social value we place on sport and the dream of making it to the pros.

College athletes are required to volunteer their efforts; some of them get scholarships, but everyone gets a free ride, and none of them get anything near their actual value. Moreover they are completely prohibited from doing anything that would allow them to generate income related to their sport performance -- they are disqualified from play for even using their own name to promote goods. And in high school there are no scholarships, no pay, and not even direct access to medical attention.
 
2013-05-11 12:40:07 PM  
"I was a dysfunctional loner as a child and now I'm a dysfunctional loner as an adult. I blame others for this."

I lol'ed.
 
2013-05-11 12:56:53 PM  

mxyzplk: "I was a dysfunctional loner as a child and now I'm a dysfunctional loner as an adult. I blame others for this."

I lol'ed.


All dysfunctional loners should blame themselves. They may find they're good at it.
 
2013-05-11 09:28:45 PM  
Red Rover played by Junior High aged kids or older ROCKS.

That said: the version of flag football we played at one college I went into took every last bit of fun out of it. The school was so afraid of injury that they banned blocking. You could step in front of a rusher if you were on the line, but couldn't try to touch them or do anything that might make them run into you. I'm amazed anyone ever got a pass off. At least we could be brutal to each other in intramural basketball.
 
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