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(Slate)   Slate: Making kids play team sports in PE is neither healthy nor educational, uses as an example: dodgeball, probably the most sociopathic "team sport" of them all   (slate.com) divider line 328
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2013-05-10 10:58:14 AM
This author is like my friend who says that even watching sports and enjoying it is unhealthy. Whatever, dude.
 
2013-05-10 11:04:35 AM
when I was growing up, dodge ball was hardly a team sport.  there was no team work, no helping each other out.  there was a lot of "every man for himself" on both sides of the line.
 
2013-05-10 11:06:43 AM

AngryPanda: This author is like my friend who says that even watching sports and enjoying it is unhealthy. Whatever, dude.


I no longer enjoy football. Whenever I see 250 lbs. men run into in each other head first all I can think about are the brain injuries that are going to cripple them down the road.

I only still watch it due to my gambling addiction.
 
2013-05-10 11:09:04 AM
You mean the most awesome team sport of all.
 
2013-05-10 11:17:09 AM
The author is a Portland hipster biatch.

Move along, nothing to see here.
 
2013-05-10 11:18:52 AM
Here's some more of Jessica Olien's "work" in case you hate yourself.
 
2013-05-10 11:19:20 AM
Team, as in "everyone target the fat, shy kid hiding in the corner so we can start a new game"
 
2013-05-10 11:23:07 AM
I bet she dodges balls.
 
2013-05-10 11:23:12 AM
I sucked at team sports, but I loved dodgeball.

Kickball can go fark itself.
 
2013-05-10 11:42:50 AM

impaler: I sucked at team sports, but I loved dodgeball.

Kickball can go fark itself.


Same here. We lived for it. We had 3 PE periods a week, and if we were really good, we got to play dodge ball on Friday.
 
2013-05-10 11:44:10 AM

ManateeGag: when I was growing up, dodge ball was hardly a team sport.  there was no team work, no helping each other out.  there was a lot of "every man for himself" on both sides of the line.


We played with tennis balls too. Nowadays I think they'd call in grief counselors to share our feelings about some of the bruising we took.

I brought this up in a conversation with a group of my old high school classmates last year. The catalyst was this article. Now, most of my classmates' kids are getting into the late teen age range but there are still a few who started late. My question was when did we become such shiatty parents where we were so overly concerned about our kids and why? When we were growing up, many of our Fathers were WWII and/or Korea vets. We were all but expected to get into fights, (get caught fighting in school you'd get hauled to the gym, put on gloves and headgear and duke it out until tired then get a swat or two and sent to class), get cuts and scrapes, break a bone or two and into mischief. You might get your ass kicked, some stitches, wince at Bactine's sting or wear a cast for a couple of months but it was all part of growing up. A standard reply when you thought you were wronged was 'life's not fair'.

I'm stunned at how parents (when they have parents but that's a whole 'nuther conversation) act towards their kids today. Everyone's a winner, there are no losers, call the cops when a couple of 13 year olds squab on the ball field after school...These parents are in their late 30s to late 40s...just about my age and down. What made them such pussies?
 
2013-05-10 11:48:22 AM
As I recall when I was in school, it was referred to as "murder ball"
 
2013-05-10 11:52:24 AM
So, her whole argument is "I sucked at sports, so sports suck"?

I'm only moderately athletic, rowed crew in college but wasn't brilliant at it, etc. and know that my natural talents lie more in intellectual activities and so that's probably why I worked on them more, but where do you get the ego to think intellectual gifts are intrinsically better than physical?

The sheer chutzpah of acting like kids who are born 'smarter' are somehow better than kids who are born more 'athletic' is just insane, as if the two are somehow opposite ends of a spectrum.  They're completely distinct characteristics.  Kids should be praised for either or both, teaching them to love what they can do well so that they'll work to improve those things and hopefully achieve good or great things.  Telling athletic kids that they suck because they aren't smart enough is no better than telling smart kids they suck because they're not athletic enough.
 
2013-05-10 11:55:05 AM

PowerSlacker: The author is a Portland hipster biatch.

Move along, nothing to see here.


Well, the dream of the 90s is alive in Portland.
 
2013-05-10 11:55:38 AM

impaler: I sucked at team sports, but I loved dodgeball.

Kickball can go fark itself.


Ahh, reminds me of the days of wallball where 1/2 the class were always sporting racquet ball sized briuses. In those days, the teachers would just roll thier eyes at us.  I am sure that game is no longer allowed.
 
2013-05-10 11:57:46 AM

I_Am_Weasel: As I recall when I was in school, it was referred to as "murder ball"


Murder Ball was one variety of Dodge Ball, which (the way we played it) involved everybody trying to nail a person who was tagged "it." It was not usually officially sanctioned by the gym teachers, although I don't recall them ever stopping us from playing it during free time. There was also Prison Dodgeball (where team members were "taken prisoner" after being hit and could be freed to rejoin your team in what basically amounted to hostage exchanges); Pin Dodgeball (basic dodgeball with the addition of bowling that had to be protected by your team; if the pins were all knocked down, you lost, so the basic strategy was to stand your weakest players in front of the pins as human shields and do what you could to protect them from being nailed); Quad Dodge (a four-way dodgeball game where you were under threat from all sides); and many others. I loved them all.
 
2013-05-10 11:59:22 AM
I think Wallball is more sociopath. They made us stand against a brick wall and other kids would throw balls as hard as they could at us. Nowhere to run cause you're against a wall.
 
2013-05-10 11:59:30 AM
Sure, ban all of the sports in gym, but then complain that kids are fat. Team sports are sometimes the only fun part of gym. ESPECIALLY dodgeball, one of the only games I was any good at.
 
2013-05-10 12:05:33 PM
You know, life is a little hard and a little scary at times.  If at 15 you can't handle the idea of someone throwing a soft rubber ball at you then you've got some toughening up to do.

I will say this though.  Athletes (as in currently enrolled in a sport) should not take gym.  There's a huge competitive gap between them and the general non-athlete student populace.  It hampers the athletes' experience and is unfair to the non-athletes.
 
2013-05-10 12:05:44 PM
Dodge ball was a blast, even when I was the underclassman.  Throw that ball, asshole, I'll catch it.

/when you got to be the upperclassman, you gave the underclassman a pounding they deserved.
 
2013-05-10 12:09:07 PM
I always viewed dodgeball as the one sport in which the weaklings could get back at the bullies for tormenting them the rest of the school day.
 
2013-05-10 12:10:19 PM

AngryPanda: PowerSlacker: The author is a Portland hipster biatch.

Move along, nothing to see here.

Well, the dream of the 90s is alive in Portland.



b.vimeocdn.com

Yes, yes it is.
 
2013-05-10 12:12:44 PM

Pocket Ninja: I_Am_Weasel: As I recall when I was in school, it was referred to as "murder ball"

Murder Ball was one variety of Dodge Ball, which (the way we played it) involved everybody trying to nail a person who was tagged "it." It was not usually officially sanctioned by the gym teachers, although I don't recall them ever stopping us from playing it during free time. There was also Prison Dodgeball (where team members were "taken prisoner" after being hit and could be freed to rejoin your team in what basically amounted to hostage exchanges); Pin Dodgeball (basic dodgeball with the addition of bowling that had to be protected by your team; if the pins were all knocked down, you lost, so the basic strategy was to stand your weakest players in front of the pins as human shields and do what you could to protect them from being nailed); Quad Dodge (a four-way dodgeball game where you were under threat from all sides); and many others. I loved them all.


My high school gym had an upper balcony area, and we played sniper dodgeball - one person from each team could walk the perimeter and target people, but could only get more balls if they were tossed up to them. The sniper could only get out if you hit them from the floor (which was one hell of a throw). Common strategy was to target the people who could toss the ball up and basically starve the sniper.
 
2013-05-10 12:24:43 PM
Ah, that time of year again...the recycling of the "Dodgeball is THE DEBIL" stories.

Dodgeball was fun....and we're raising a generation of pussies that when the going gets tough, they can't adapt or tolerate disappointment.  Besides, the geeks that got their asses handed to them in dodgeball are the ones making all the cash now.
 
2013-05-10 12:33:13 PM
I used to dismiss the "pussification of America" crowd as codgers and internet tough guys, but articles like this are making it harder and harder not to agree with them.

It is un-f*cking-believable what blubbering, effort-averse weaklings this country is producing.
 
2013-05-10 12:39:29 PM
I liked Dodgeball.  I couldn't throw too well, but nobody could ever hit me.
 
2013-05-10 12:42:21 PM
Sports suck but dodgeball is not a team sport. Sometimes there's a line on the floor, but that does not mean there are teams.
 
2013-05-10 12:42:26 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: ManateeGag: when I was growing up, dodge ball was hardly a team sport.  there was no team work, no helping each other out.  there was a lot of "every man for himself" on both sides of the line.

We played with tennis balls too. Nowadays I think they'd call in grief counselors to share our feelings about some of the bruising we took.

I brought this up in a conversation with a group of my old high school classmates last year. The catalyst was this article. Now, most of my classmates' kids are getting into the late teen age range but there are still a few who started late. My question was when did we become such shiatty parents where we were so overly concerned about our kids and why?


I'm almost 40. When I was a kid in the summertime, I would basically disappear, every day, between 8 AM and 10 PM, going pretty much anywhere I wanted to and I'd come home dirty, injured, and exhausted. Every day.

Now, my nieces and nephews are never, ever more than 10 feet away from their parents and are never outside. Whenever one of them somehow wanders away from their invisible umbilical cord, their parents are practically on the phone to the police.
I don't understand what happened either.
 
2013-05-10 12:51:08 PM

moothemagiccow: Sports suck but dodgeball is not a team sport. Sometimes there's a line on the floor, but that does not mean there are teams.


Yep, we played last man standing.
 
2013-05-10 12:53:11 PM

sigdiamond2000: I'm almost 40. When I was a kid in the summertime, I would basically disappear, every day, between 8 AM and 10 PM, going pretty much anywhere I wanted to and I'd come home dirty, injured, and exhausted. Every day


Heh. An when we got grounded those that were free to roam hung out at the arrestee's house until we drove his parent (usually stay at home Mom) crazy and we'd ALL get chucked including the offender. This was one of our hangouts. We would roam "the woods" as we called it and there were all kinds of scary things there...Snakes, turtles, poison ivy, hippies smoking weed or engaging in other..ahem...activities (wink wink nudge nudge). We built a ramp at the bottom of a steep  where we would jump our bikes with increasing courage. I can remember having to help at least two friends out with broken arms...The LAST thing we wanted to do was get stuck inside.
 
2013-05-10 12:53:42 PM

basemetal: moothemagiccow: Sports suck but dodgeball is not a team sport. Sometimes there's a line on the floor, but that does not mean there are teams.

Yep, we played last man standing.


Although I guess there were times when we would have 2-3 guys left on one side of the court, so I guess it was sort of a team sport, but we pretty much played every man for himself.
 
2013-05-10 12:55:43 PM
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2013-05-10 12:57:51 PM
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2013-05-10 12:59:14 PM

I_Am_Weasel: As I recall when I was in school, it was referred to as "murder ball"


"Poison ball," a tennis ball in a sock with the end tied off.
 
2013-05-10 01:00:15 PM
I really hated dodgeball as a kid.  But hey, it's part of childhood life like crashing your bicycle, that one week of chicken pox, doing chores, bullies, cold showers after swimming, being dragged to church every Sunday and other assorted items.

Kids got to learn life ain't Candyland and Christmas everyday.
 
2013-05-10 01:00:36 PM
We used to play backboard dodgeball with the softer non-life-threatening balls.  Everyone love the hell out of it.
 
2013-05-10 01:01:01 PM

AngryPanda: This author is like my friend who says that even watching sports and enjoying it is unhealthy. Whatever, dude.


Watching sports is unhealthy. Playing them, of course, is definitely healthy.
 
2013-05-10 01:01:09 PM

Hoban Washburne: You know, life is a little hard and a little scary at times.  If at 15 you can't handle the idea of someone throwing a soft rubber ball at you then you've got some toughening up to do.

I will say this though.  Athletes (as in currently enrolled in a sport) should not take gym.  There's a huge competitive gap between them and the general non-athlete student populace.  It hampers the athletes' experience and is unfair to the non-athletes.


Came here to say THIS. Take the athletes out of the equation and gym is fun for everyone remaining, or at least tolerable. And why should athletes out for a sport be in gym class? What a waste of time for them. It's a win/win situation for everyone if you exempt athletes, and it encourages kids to go out for a sport so they can get out of stupid gym class.
 
2013-05-10 01:02:29 PM
I played dodgeball for the first time when I was 30 (two years ago).

It is without a doubt the most fun I have ever had playing sports. My fat teammates had fun too. There is this unspoken loyalty in every team. The athletic dudes protect the slow pokes and some even sacrifice themselves to expose the adversaries.

I say we need more dodgeball in schools.

/serious
 
2013-05-10 01:02:35 PM
Screw sport.
Teach them Judo in elementary school and give classes in yoga, too.
Let them learn Aikido in Middle school and Kungfu in highschool. Also teach logic.
Of course, the GOP doesn't want people who can disarm an asshole with a box cutter and can see through a bullshait reason to tax people to vote, so that will never happen.
 
2013-05-10 01:03:28 PM
I was the furthest thing from sporty when I was in school, but I liked playing nonsense things like flag football and kickball and yes, even the occasional dodgeball. Human interaction is a good thing.
 
2013-05-10 01:04:04 PM
Ironically enough, dodgeball is actually really good exercise.  I played in a league over the winter and by the end of each 30 minute game, particularly if you play without breaks, you're really tired.
 
2013-05-10 01:04:36 PM

ManateeGag: when I was growing up, dodge ball was hardly a team sport.  there was no team work, no helping each other out.  there was a lot of "every man for himself" on both sides of the line.


exactly.  I was a bullied , un popular kid in 8th grade, but I farking LOVED dodgeball.  Of course I was the first one everyone threw at but I was extremely nimble and flexible for a fat kid, so they'd throw and throw, missing me time and again while I got to laugh at them and occassionaly catch the ball and peg one of them square in the head.  Yes it was all sick and sad, but very cathartic too
 
2013-05-10 01:05:04 PM

I_Am_Weasel: As I recall when I was in school, it was referred to as "murder ball"


They called it, "smear the queer (with the ball)" when I was a kid. I have no idea why: none of us knew what a queer was.
 
2013-05-10 01:05:58 PM

Aarontology: You mean the most awesome team sport of all.


This.  When I was in school and we played soccum (what we called dodgeball) I had permission to go play with the boys, since the girls were such wimps.
 
2013-05-10 01:06:10 PM
Sissy "I wanted to play team sports but sucked so no one else should be allowed to play them either"
 
2013-05-10 01:06:15 PM
In anticipation, as each summer waned, I'd do drills in my backyard. I'd practice dribbling balls, swinging rackets, serving volleyballs over a tree branch.

That is the oddest assortment of euphemisms I have ever seen.
 
2013-05-10 01:06:26 PM
What's weird is,though I was definitely an outcast at school, I nonetheless loved dodgeball because it was a way to practice running away in a quasi-controlled environment.
 
2013-05-10 01:06:43 PM

impaler: I sucked at team sports, but I loved dodgeball.

Kickball can go fark itself.


I'll date myself right off.  We did "red rover" in PE. I loved it.  Being a fairly stocky farm girl that was carrying 75lb bales of straw at around 12 years old, I had the hand strength and footing to hang on to the wimpy chicks hands next to me and NO ONE got through.

I was ok in dodgeball and volleyball, but not great.
 
2013-05-10 01:07:28 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: ManateeGag: when I was growing up, dodge ball was hardly a team sport.  there was no team work, no helping each other out.  there was a lot of "every man for himself" on both sides of the line.

We played with tennis balls too. Nowadays I think they'd call in grief counselors to share our feelings about some of the bruising we took.

I brought this up in a conversation with a group of my old high school classmates last year. The catalyst was this article. Now, most of my classmates' kids are getting into the late teen age range but there are still a few who started late. My question was when did we become such shiatty parents where we were so overly concerned about our kids and why? When we were growing up, many of our Fathers were WWII and/or Korea vets. We were all but expected to get into fights, (get caught fighting in school you'd get hauled to the gym, put on gloves and headgear and duke it out until tired then get a swat or two and sent to class), get cuts and scrapes, break a bone or two and into mischief. You might get your ass kicked, some stitches, wince at Bactine's sting or wear a cast for a couple of months but it was all part of growing up. A standard reply when you thought you were wronged was 'life's not fair'.

I'm stunned at how parents (when they have parents but that's a whole 'nuther conversation) act towards their kids today. Everyone's a winner, there are no losers, call the cops when a couple of 13 year olds squab on the ball field after school...These parents are in their late 30s to late 40s...just about my age and down. What made them such pussies?


I'm not sure but I know what your saying. I graduated in 1995 and we still lived by the old rules but they were changing quickly. If there was a fight it was usually taken to a nearby road after school. It was out in the sticks so no one was every around. Everyone would go out there and the two kids would square up and duke it out. It was a fair fight and we regulated the rules. No weapons, no jumping in, if the kid was down of done fighting the fight was over. No one ever broke those rules. I'm pretty sure now a days we would all be arrested or suspended for that kind of thing. My dad was a teacher at the school and said that things have radically changed since I left. As he put it the lunatics have taken over the asylum. The parents don't care, and the kids don't show much respect to the teachers. But something made these same parents that grew up the way we did change. Maybe this way is better. Maybe we are just the old curmudgeons that are stuck in the ways of the past.

But we were also a small farm town so we grew up differently that a lot of kids.
 
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