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(Opposing Views)   Doctor tells man he's dying. Man quits job, sells car, celebrates last birthday, contemplates suicide and makes funeral arrangements. Does this story end with: a) a natural death, b) suicide, or c) someone paying someone else a lot of money?   (opposingviews.com) divider line 80
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2013-05-10 11:17:28 AM
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"... not again!"
 
2013-05-10 11:23:03 AM
Pretty obvious where this story was headed after "Doctor tells man he's dying."
 
2013-05-10 11:25:43 AM
Seriously? You do all that shiat without getting a second opinion? That guy doesn't deserve that award.
 
2013-05-10 11:25:46 AM
A doctor with a diagnosis is worse than a DA with a conviction.  Nothing under the sun will convince them to change their mind.  All you can do is change doctors.
 
2013-05-10 11:53:04 AM
This was an episode of Becker.
 
2013-05-10 12:06:57 PM
I'm okay with this.
 
2013-05-10 12:07:33 PM
"Templin, who's in his 70s,   quit his job."


so..yay for a country that makes old people work just to get by in life.
 
2013-05-10 12:07:52 PM

verbal_jizm: Seriously? You do all that shiat without getting a second opinion? That guy doesn't deserve that award.


This This THIS

Were I on the jury there's no way in hell I'd ever vote in this guy's favor.
 
2013-05-10 12:09:47 PM
Wait this is 2013, I thought people just went to WebMD and did self-diagnosis?
 
2013-05-10 12:11:26 PM
"While under the impression that he was afflicted with metastatic brain cancer, Mr. Templin wondered each day whether it would be his last."

"Templin, who's in his 70s..."


I still wouldn't put too much of that money in long-term investments.
 
2013-05-10 12:11:30 PM
FTFA: "It is difficult to put a price tag on the anguish of a man wrongly convinced of his impending death," Molloy wrote in his decision. "Mr. Templin lived for 148 days ... under the mistaken impression that he was dying of metastatic brain cancer."

Apparently not too hard since the judge decided $500 a day was good.....
 
2013-05-10 12:12:16 PM
Was the diagnosis a Brain Cloud?

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2013-05-10 12:12:19 PM
Coulda been awesome
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2013-05-10 12:12:25 PM
Subby forgot option "D"
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2013-05-10 12:14:18 PM
60K doesn't seem like a crazy amount. 1/3 of that went to the lawyer.
 
2013-05-10 12:14:44 PM
He got paid way too little.
 
2013-05-10 12:16:31 PM
You didn't get a second opinion on something called a Brain Cloud?!?
 
2013-05-10 12:16:57 PM
One day people will learn medicine is not and never will be an exact science. False positives exist. You do no get money because you were a statistical truth. Oh wait, america has devolved into a system where no responsibilities exist.
 
2013-05-10 12:16:58 PM
"Outta here!"

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2013-05-10 12:17:23 PM
Wasn't this a queen latifa movie?
She seemed to discover what's important in life or something.
Maybe she taught steve martin to dance and be happy?
 
2013-05-10 12:19:46 PM
$60,000? What a rip off! This is America, man!
 
2013-05-10 12:21:33 PM
From what I've learned about the VA, if they tell you that you are going to die in six months it means you are going to live to be 110.

"Look at this x-ray. You see this shrapnel right here? It's lodged against your fallopian tubes. I'm afraid you'll never conceive a child."
I'm not a woman, doc.
"Now that's just the wrong attitude to take, ma'am."
 
2013-05-10 12:22:02 PM
I'm sympathetic to the doctor. We expect doctors to be reasonably good at making proper diagnoses, within a standard deviation of the median rates of their fields. They use the tools that they have available to make their best conclusions. I'm not a brain specialist, obviously, so I don't know how to read an MRI, but it doesn't seem outrageous that a stroke could look similar to a tumor under some circumstances. I'd want to hear a couple of other doctors look at the MRI and say "Yeah, this is obvious. This MD is a moron" before I'd award the guy a settlement. When you pay for medical treatment, you are paying for a best practice, not a 100% guarantee. Getting to sue and collect every time a doctor is wrong is like suing Fidelity because your retirement fund contains a stock that lost value.
 
2013-05-10 12:22:27 PM

Carousel Beast: verbal_jizm: Seriously? You do all that shiat without getting a second opinion? That guy doesn't deserve that award.

This This THIS

Were I on the jury there's no way in hell I'd ever vote in this guy's favor.


Hell, he ought to pay the doctor a couple million, for fooling him with his sneaky brain.
 
2013-05-10 12:23:22 PM
D
 
2013-05-10 12:23:39 PM

Arthur Jumbles: FTFA: "It is difficult to put a price tag on the anguish of a man wrongly convinced of his impending death," Molloy wrote in his decision. "Mr. Templin lived for 148 days ... under the mistaken impression that he was dying of metastatic brain cancer."

Apparently not too hard since the judge decided $500 a day was good.....


The only part I like about this story is that the settlement was [only] $60K.  Not some frivolous multi-million dollar thing, but an amount that roughly equates to lost wages since the guy resigned and the money he blew during his supposed "last days."
 
2013-05-10 12:24:17 PM

mike_d85: Wasn't this a queen latifa movie?
She seemed to discover what's important in life or something.
Maybe she taught steve martin to dance and be happy?


She taught Steve Martin that he's gonna stay that color.
 
2013-05-10 12:24:28 PM
Simpsons already did it:
gourmetsan.com.br

With special guest Larry King
 
2013-05-10 12:24:30 PM
I just thought of a plot for a new comedy.

Doctor makes a diagnosis like this, and 6 months later discovers the error. In order to avoid an expensive lawsuit, the doctor performs a serious of hilariously inept attempts to kill the patient.
 
2013-05-10 12:25:30 PM
He was in his 70s?  He lived to that age knowing the possible consequences.

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\I say, let him die.
 
2013-05-10 12:27:34 PM
"Was ordered into hospice care"?

Sorry doc but you or no one is "ordering " me to hospice or anywhere else, particularly after you've just told me I'm dying soon.
 
2013-05-10 12:29:00 PM

impaler: I just thought of a plot for a new comedy.

Doctor makes a diagnosis like this, and 6 months later discovers the error. In order to avoid an expensive lawsuit, the doctor performs a serious of hilariously inept attempts to kill the patient.


That's horribly evil and will probably get a LOT of flack from the AMA.  That being said, I love it and want in. .
 
2013-05-10 12:29:26 PM

MyRandomName: One day people will learn medicine is not and never will be an exact science. False positives exist.


You know what's also not an exact science?  Science.  I do it every day, and there are false positives, false negatives, and anomalies.  You know what we do?  We control for those things and we retest and cross check with multiple different approaches.  Yes, I know it's not cheap or easy with humans, but for fark's sake when someone's life is on the line, how about trying to get it right?  Instead docs want to be all:

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2013-05-10 12:31:05 PM
Templin, who's in his 70s, was given two drugs to treat brain cancer. One of those drugs was not supposed to be prescribed to stroke patients.

That's a more concrete problem right there. Why don't we hear about money for this shiat? He did get compensated for this right?
 
2013-05-10 12:32:20 PM

sinanju: Was the diagnosis a Brain Cloud?

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Came for this, left satisfied
 
2013-05-10 12:35:18 PM

Devo: 60K doesn't seem like a crazy amount. 1/3 of that went to the lawyer.


My thought exacltly.
 
2013-05-10 12:36:06 PM
The son-in-law winds up with an empty box.
 
2013-05-10 12:36:28 PM
CSB:

One of the only bankruptcies I've ever filed was for a guy was diagnosed with some sort of rare brain infection and was told (by several doctors) that he only had about 1.5 years to live. So he and his wife sold their house and used the cash for a down-payment on a badass Winnebago and general living expenses, then they hit the road for a year. Drove coast to coast then up to Alaska, burned through their cash and then started using credit cards . My client had a $350k life insurance policy and a decent retirement that would both go to his wife, and their assumption was that she would pay off their debt when he passed.

After their 14 month trip, my client goes to see some specialist who tells him that had his body successfully fought off the brain infection to such a degree that the specialist was essentially dumbfounded. So while  my client had the superhuman ability to ward off an almost guaranteed death sentence, he was also stuck with about $130k in debt racked up from a dying last wish.

/csb
 
2013-05-10 12:38:50 PM
Do not go to the doctor.  Ever.  Just pray for good health.  If you are good person god will not let you suffer, but you have to pray, a lot, to prove your worth to him.  So get on your knees, pray like hell, and be healthy!
 
2013-05-10 12:39:20 PM
Wait, I know this joke...

"...so then, the guy decides he's going to get some custom shirts made, since he's dying and it's not like he'll need the money to live on. So, he goes to the tailor and gets his measurement taken. The tailor measures his neck and mumbles '17 inches' as he jots down the number.

The guy says 'No, you mean 15.'

The tailor says 'No, really, you've got a 17 inch neck.'

So the guy says, 'Look, I've been wearing a 15 inch collar for years.'

And the tailor looks at him and says 'Man if you go around wearing a collar that tight, you're going to have headaches, dizzy spells, and a persistent ringing in your ears.'"

/ I never said it was a *funny* joke
 
2013-05-10 12:39:27 PM

CrackpipeCardozo: CSB:

One of the only bankruptcies I've ever filed was for a guy was diagnosed with some sort of rare brain infection and was told (by several doctors) that he only had about 1.5 years to live. So he and his wife sold their house and used the cash for a down-payment on a badass Winnebago and general living expenses, then they hit the road for a year. Drove coast to coast then up to Alaska, burned through their cash and then started using credit cards . My client had a $350k life insurance policy and a decent retirement that would both go to his wife, and their assumption was that she would pay off their debt when he passed.

After their 14 month trip, my client goes to see some specialist who tells him that had his body successfully fought off the brain infection to such a degree that the specialist was essentially dumbfounded. So while  my client had the superhuman ability to ward off an almost guaranteed death sentence, he was also stuck with about $130k in debt racked up from a dying last wish.

/csb


You know what, seems like his insurance should cover that treatment, since apparently banging his wife a lot and seeing the country was the correct cure for that uncurable disease, and 130k doesn't seem bad compared to even a lot of minor out patient procedures...
 
2013-05-10 12:40:24 PM

Martian_Astronomer: Wait, I know this joke...

"...so then, the guy decides he's going to get some custom shirts made, since he's dying and it's not like he'll need the money to live on. So, he goes to the tailor and gets his measurement taken. The tailor measures his neck and mumbles '17 inches' as he jots down the number.

The guy says 'No, you mean 15.'

The tailor says 'No, really, you've got a 17 inch neck.'

So the guy says, 'Look, I've been wearing a 15 inch collar for years.'

And the tailor looks at him and says 'Man if you go around wearing a collar that tight, you're going to have headaches, dizzy spells, and a persistent ringing in your ears.'"

/ I never said it was a *funny* joke


No, he said he had a 12 inch pianist.
 
2013-05-10 12:40:52 PM
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2013-05-10 12:52:20 PM

jmr61: "Was ordered into hospice care"?

Sorry doc but you or no one is "ordering " me to hospice or anywhere else, particularly after you've just told me I'm dying soon.


This.  I'm pretty sure no one can be ordered into hospice; the diagnostician can recommend or authorize it but it's the patient's choice.
 
2013-05-10 12:52:21 PM
Just $60K? How much did his lawyer cost, $100?
 
2013-05-10 12:57:59 PM
It was a pick-up truck, not a car.
 
2013-05-10 01:00:46 PM

BKITU: [static.tvfanatic.com image 240x320]

"... not again!"


My first thought.

Harry Freakstorm: From what I've learned about the VA, if they tell you that you are going to die in six months it means you are going to live to be 110.

"Look at this x-ray. You see this shrapnel right here? It's lodged against your fallopian tubes. I'm afraid you'll never conceive a child."
I'm not a woman, doc.
"Now that's just the wrong attitude to take, ma'am."


My experience with the VA:
-So your shoulder's all farked up, huh? Can we take several Xrays and MRIs at our expense?
Sure, go ahead.
-Yep, look's like it's all dicked up. Needs surgery. When can we pencil you in?
About that...yeah, I think I'm gonna pass on you guys cutting me open. By the by, can I get a copy of all those images?
-Sure! Here ya go. What do you need them for?
Oh, no reason. *ring* Hello civilian doctor? Yeah, I need some surgery. I'm gonna shoot you some MRIs in the mail.
Hey, VA, you still there? Yeah, you can go ahead and send all that free medication I need to my house, TYVM.

/Worth 500 bucks of co-pays to not have the VA swing a scapel in my direction.
 
2013-05-10 01:02:55 PM

Mr Guy: You know what, seems like his insurance should cover that treatment, since apparently banging his wife a lot and seeing the country was the correct cure for that uncurable disease, and 130k doesn't seem bad compared to even a lot of minor out patient procedures...


Has thou a newsletter?
 
2013-05-10 01:05:54 PM

jmr61: "Was ordered into hospice care"?

Sorry doc but you or no one is "ordering " me to hospice or anywhere else, particularly after you've just told me I'm dying soon.


Yeah, that caught my eye too.  Since when is hospice an "order"?  Screw you, I'm just going out in a ball of fire.
 
2013-05-10 01:06:40 PM

orclover: Coulda been awesome
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Freddy?
 
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