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2013-05-10 10:29:35 AM
That's what's called damning with faint praise.
 
2013-05-10 10:30:27 AM
Yeah of Hell was good. Was this the season when they encountered the Equinox?

/jesus, I can't believe I remember those episodes. Janeway sucked.
 
2013-05-10 10:33:45 AM
The best what, exactly?
 
2013-05-10 10:34:20 AM
That was the season they swapped Boobs of Mines suit from tight to REALLY tight, correct?
 
2013-05-10 10:36:03 AM
Year of Hell was a pretty good story. Living Witness and Message in a Bottle are also two fantastic episodes.

Shame most of the show was kinda crap.
 
2013-05-10 10:36:28 AM
Wait, that would imply Voyager had a good season, PERIOD.

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2013-05-10 10:36:48 AM
Why not just say that all the bad episodes were from the duplicate crew from the Demon-class planet?
 
2013-05-10 10:39:44 AM
The Season Two episode "Prototype" was, in my opinion, the worst episode of Star Trek: Voyager. It seems like an episode that was filmed in the '50s.
 
2013-05-10 10:42:24 AM
Why they all sucked until the last episode:

-- Opening scene. Janeway on the bridge. --

Crew: Captain! We might have found a way home! If we just manipulate/open/close/shoot this object/wormhole/plasmoloid generator, we might be able to transport ourselves back!

Janeway: Let's do it!

*something happens* Alien race appears/ship breaks/someone dies

*something resolved* Aliens negotiated/ship fixed/someone re-vived

Janeway: Ok, back to getting home.

Crew: There's not enough time now because ensign Hucklebuck died/sabotaged ship/fapped off in the restroom, but we can try!

Janeway: We have to try.

Crew: Almooooost there.... Almoooost there...

*something else happens* Wormhole closes, piece of ship breaks again, someone else gets ill

Crew: Awwww.....

-- End episode with ship flying deeper into space --

/got so bored with the show after the first season...
 
2013-05-10 10:45:31 AM
Voyager.    Let's take the Trek universe the fans know and love and--set it aside so that we can do something new not bound by the confines of the Trek 'bible'.     Clearly a precedent for the recent movies.
 
2013-05-10 10:48:29 AM
I can't believe anyone paid enough attention to remember how many seasons there were never mind the name of individual episodes. I just became so numb watching it I couldn't tell you if I watched the whole series or drifted off at some point.
 
2013-05-10 10:52:37 AM

Cheron: I can't believe anyone paid enough attention to remember how many seasons there were never mind the name of individual episodes. I just became so numb watching it I couldn't tell you if I watched the whole series or drifted off at some point.


Everyone knows all good Trek has seven seasons.
 
2013-05-10 10:53:58 AM
Quality fell off drastically after season 4.  Kazon were a terrible idea.  Borg were somewhat better however they lost their mystique and became less impressive with overuse.   The hirogen were interesting conceptually but not developed as well as they could have been.  Planning department should have more seriously considered what opposition they were going to face.
 
2013-05-10 10:54:19 AM

Rhypskallion: Voyager.    Let's take the Trek universe the fans know and love and--set it aside so that we can do something new not bound by the confines of the Trek 'bible'.     Clearly a precedent for the recent movies.


so, like the new movies, but with a 'twist'.
 
2013-05-10 10:57:45 AM
People kept watching the slow long enough to actually get to the 4th season?

They've either got pretty strong stomachs or very low standards.

/barely made it past the pilot
 
2013-05-10 10:59:19 AM
 
2013-05-10 10:59:48 AM

Rhypskallion: Voyager.    Let's take the Trek universe the fans know and love and--set it aside so that we can do something new not bound by the confines of the Trek 'bible'.     Clearly a precedent for the recent movies.


I don't think Voyager sucked because change is bad and scary.  Voyager sucked because the writing was horrible and Robert Beltran was stiff as an actor.  The Doctor was easily the best character, but you can't have 23 doctor centric episodes a season
 
2013-05-10 11:01:03 AM
I like to imagine the last episode of Voyager is the one where the ship is stolen by the guys with the crazy hair (Kazon?) and they're abandoned on some random planet. Except in my vision they don't get the ship back and just starve to death.

// Stopped watching the show when I realized I hated all of the characters.
 
2013-05-10 11:06:02 AM

trialpha: // Stopped watching the show when I realized I hated all of the characters.


you hated the Doctor?
 
2013-05-10 11:08:31 AM

ManateeGag: trialpha: // Stopped watching the show when I realized I hated all of the characters.

you hated the Doctor?


Hatred of the other characters might have spread onto him undeservedly, it's been a while.
 
2013-05-10 11:09:14 AM

ManateeGag: The Doctor was easily the best character, but you can't have 23 doctor centric episodes a season


At the time my roommate and I came up with a reboot of Voyager where the ship would be destroyed and the Doctor, 7of9 and Torres would be trapped in a shuttlecraft. Each half-hour episode the Doctor and 7of9 would trade barbed quips with themselves and random aliens while Torres agonized over her half-breed nature, ultimately killing herself in an amusing way. Then the Doctor would crack Klingon jokes while reviving her. Finis.
 
2013-05-10 11:09:26 AM
ManateeGag:
I don't think Voyager sucked because change is bad and scary.  Voyager sucked because the writing was horrible and Robert Beltran was stiff as an actor.  The Doctor was easily the best character, but you can't have 23 doctor centric episodes a season

Some of their alien designs were crap.   If they could have used established designs, it would have been easier.    I found Beltran to be much better than Mulgrew, and did not understand why he was used so little early on.    Let's just say that Voyager had a ton of problems, bad scripts, bad setting choices, bad casting (their first choice for Janeway was better), bad story ideas, and bad direction.   The selection of Torres as chief engineer scenes of 'girltalk technobabble' were awful.
 
2013-05-10 11:12:00 AM

trialpha: // Stopped watching the show when I realized I hated all of the characters.


I hear you.  I didn't make it past the second season.
 
2013-05-10 11:14:16 AM

Rhypskallion: I found Beltran to be much better than Mulgrew, and did not understand why he was used so little early on.


In other ST:V threads people have mentioned that the writers hated Beltran and Mulgrew--Mulgrew because she was a single mom or something and Beltran because he tried to get better scripts for his character and they decided to punish him for it. So he just phoned it in because why even bother?
 
2013-05-10 11:16:05 AM

FueledByEthanol: Wait, that would imply Voyager had a good season, PERIOD.

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No it doesn't, best is a relative term, so it just means better than the others, it doesn't necessarily imply any of them are good, it could just be highlighting the least worst of them.
 
2013-05-10 11:18:04 AM

trialpha: // Stopped watching the show when I realized I hated all of the characters.


I wasn't fond of the characters except the Doctor and 7of9, but what killed the show for me was them finding a pickup truck IN SPAAAAAACE!
 
2013-05-10 11:18:24 AM
Last saturday's dump was my best dump of the week, but you didn't hear me bragging about it.
 
2013-05-10 11:20:25 AM

highbrow45: The Season Two episode "Prototype" was, in my opinion, the worst episode of Star Trek: Voyager. It seems like an episode that was filmed in the '50s.


Ugh, I think the "crew evolve into salamanders" episode is still the worst. It's a strong contender for the worst Star Trek episode ever. Not only is it a stupid episode in every possible way it also violated all of Star Trek's own internal logic about the warp drive. So if you go warp 10 you turn into an amphibian, except for all those other times when you don't.
 
2013-05-10 11:20:39 AM

ManateeGag: Rhypskallion: Voyager.    Let's take the Trek universe the fans know and love and--set it aside so that we can do something new not bound by the confines of the Trek 'bible'.     Clearly a precedent for the recent movies.

I don't think Voyager sucked because change is bad and scary.  Voyager sucked because the writing was horrible and Robert Beltran was stiff as an actor.  The Doctor was easily the best character, but you can't have 23 doctor centric episodes a season


Voyager sucked because the second episode did not begin with Janeway's corpse floating through space. There NOT being a successful mutiny ten minutes after they got lost ruined the whole show.

/Federation lackeys floating roaming around aimlessly was very stupid.
 
2013-05-10 11:33:57 AM
The problems with the show were because after the second episode, the conflict between Starfleet and the Maqui was immediately non-existent and besides the occasional traitor and Bellanna being a biatch, the two factions got along, too much.

7 of 9 was actually a pretty interesting character. In all these series there's at least one character that tries to understand humanity and I think she was at least more interesting than Data (not just because of those). The episodes with 7 and The Doctor were the best.

The show was too episodic. With the exception of a few two part shows  nothing in one episode had any effect on the next, which is problematic in a show where they can't crawl back to a Starbase and fix everything.
 
2013-05-10 11:34:26 AM

Titanius Anglesmith: Year of Hell was a pretty good story. Living Witness and Message in a Bottle are also two fantastic episodes.

Shame most of the show was kinda crap.


"Year Of Hell" sucked because it had a giant reset button at the end. They put a load of effort into a two-parter that ultimately meant nothing to the overall story arc or character development. Reset buttons were one of Voyager's many problems.

"Message in a Bottle". Andy Dick. Enough said.

"The Killing Game". A two-part holodeck episode. Ugh.

"Scientific Method". Done slightly better on TNG in "Schisms".

"Waking Moments". How good can a Chakotay episode really be?

"Living Witness" wasn't bad.

Also, they ditched the wrong actor at the start of S4. They should have dumped Kim instead of Kes (as was the original plan, rumor has it).
 
2013-05-10 11:37:33 AM

spiralscratch: Titanius Anglesmith: Year of Hell was a pretty good story. Living Witness and Message in a Bottle are also two fantastic episodes.

Shame most of the show was kinda crap.

"Year Of Hell" sucked because it had a giant reset button at the end. They put a load of effort into a two-parter that ultimately meant nothing to the overall story arc or character development. Reset buttons were one of Voyager's many problems.



And the worst part was they foreshadowed the Year of Hell in a S3 episode with Kes, who lived backwards through it all, yet no one remembered anything about it, then it was all moot.
 
2013-05-10 11:37:50 AM

spiralscratch: "Year Of Hell" sucked because it had a giant reset button at the end. They put a load of effort into a two-parter that ultimately meant nothing to the overall story arc or character development. Reset buttons were one of Voyager's many problems


Well it was a time travel episode. You had to see the "reset button" coming from a mile away. It did show how the crew would react if they actually did have to deal with a situation that had long term consequences.
 
2013-05-10 11:37:58 AM

theorellior: trialpha: // Stopped watching the show when I realized I hated all of the characters.

I wasn't fond of the characters except the Doctor and 7of9, but what killed the show for me was them finding a pickup truck IN SPAAAAAACE!


"The 37's". Not to mention that the farking thing ran after drifting around for hundreds of years.


To The Escape Zeppelin!: highbrow45: The Season Two episode "Prototype" was, in my opinion, the worst episode of Star Trek: Voyager. It seems like an episode that was filmed in the '50s.

Ugh, I think the "crew evolve into salamanders" episode is still the worst. It's a strong contender for the worst Star Trek episode ever. Not only is it a stupid episode in every possible way it also violated all of Star Trek's own internal logic about the warp drive. So if you go warp 10 you turn into an amphibian, except for all those other times when you don't.


"Threshhold". Yes, it is awful.
 
2013-05-10 11:38:15 AM

Rhypskallion: Some of their alien designs were crap.


I'll agree with this.  almost all the Delta Quadrant aliens looked like lizards or fish.
 
2013-05-10 11:39:52 AM

Rhypskallion: ManateeGag: bad casting (their first choice for Janeway was better), bad story ideas, and bad direction.   The selection of Torres as chief engineer scenes of 'girltalk technobabble' were awful.


LOLWUT?!?!?


Bujold was a fine actress but Mulgrew was clearly a better choice for this role whether you like Voyager or not...
 
2013-05-10 11:42:39 AM
I think the only Voyager "arc" I enjoyed was the Borg/Species 8472 thing, and that was only a few episodes.

By and large didn't bother with it; DS9 was infinitely superior.
 
2013-05-10 11:43:57 AM
The best turd is still a turd.
 
2013-05-10 11:50:43 AM

spiralscratch: Also, they ditched the wrong actor at the start of S4. They should have dumped Kim instead of Kes (as was the original plan, rumor has it).


Kes was awful. She was even more awful when she came back later for that one episode.
 
2013-05-10 11:53:12 AM
I think SF Debris sums things up nicely with his tagline for his reviews of the show: "Welcome to the idiocy that is Voyager"

There were some good episodes, but the show was crippled by its fear of altering the status quo. Standard episode plot: problem, more crap goes wrong, technobable solution, eveything's fine and back to the way it was. This fear of altering the status quo also extended to the characters. It's not surprising that the two most popular characters, the Doctor and Seven, are the only two who got any real character development.

Also, I wish "Year of Hell" would have been a full serialized season as originally planned.
 
2013-05-10 11:55:26 AM

stuhayes2010: The best turd is still a turd.


I agree. TNG and DS9 were turds.
 
2013-05-10 11:56:22 AM

ManateeGag: Rhypskallion: Some of their alien designs were crap.

I'll agree with this.  almost all the Delta Quadrant aliens looked like lizards or fish.


I think there's a reason for that though. In Star Trek everything in the universe is related so that part of the galaxy would have been inhabited by similar creatures. The Voyager crew ran into evolved dinosaurs from Earth for crying out loud!
 
2013-05-10 11:59:10 AM
Walt_Jizzney:
Bujold was a fine actress but Mulgrew was clearly a better choice for this role whether you like Voyager or not...

No military, navy, or commercial fleet would make Katherine Janeway a Captain of anything.   Her character was too excitable to be believable as a Captain.   We used to call her 'Captain Panic', because of the constant edge in her voice.   Bujold had that 'sense of calm' you want from the Captain's chair.

/opinions opinions opinions
 
2013-05-10 11:59:37 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: stuhayes2010: The best turd is still a turd.

I agree. TNG and DS9 were turds.


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2013-05-10 11:59:38 AM

highbrow45: ManateeGag: Rhypskallion: Some of their alien designs were crap.

I'll agree with this.  almost all the Delta Quadrant aliens looked like lizards or fish.

I think there's a reason for that though. In Star Trek everything in the universe is related so that part of the galaxy would have been inhabited by similar creatures. The Voyager crew ran into evolved dinosaurs from Earth for crying out loud!


I tried to suppress the memory of that episode.  thanks.
 
2013-05-10 12:02:06 PM

highbrow45: spiralscratch: Also, they ditched the wrong actor at the start of S4. They should have dumped Kim instead of Kes (as was the original plan, rumor has it).

Kes was awful. She was even more awful when she came back later for that one episode.


Kes was poorly written but at least played by a good actress. Kim was poorly written and played by a lesser actor who was apparently disliked by much of the cast and crew.

Though really, they probably should have dumped Chakotay. The character and actor were both useless.
 
2013-05-10 12:02:18 PM
The article is pretty spot on. Voyager, if you completely ignore the first two seasons was an okay show. Not great, but okay. Enterprise could be described in a similar fashion. In fact, I might say that all of the non-TOS shows stunk it up for the first season or two.

Voyager's real problem is that they had too many bad characters.

Janeway, Chakotay, Kim, Kes, and Neelix were all worthless. The Doctor was always good and Seven was almost always good, and Paris, and Torres did a decent job. You can't have a good show when half of the cast sucks.

Remember, TNG was only weighted down by Troi and DS9 usually didn't pay too much attention to Jake.
 
2013-05-10 12:03:38 PM

ManateeGag: highbrow45: ManateeGag: Rhypskallion: Some of their alien designs were crap.

I'll agree with this.  almost all the Delta Quadrant aliens looked like lizards or fish.

I think there's a reason for that though. In Star Trek everything in the universe is related so that part of the galaxy would have been inhabited by similar creatures. The Voyager crew ran into evolved dinosaurs from Earth for crying out loud!

I tried to suppress the memory of that episode.  thanks.


In my memory of that episode I can't remember what the dinosaurs looked like. I keep seeing the Chakotay with the characters from Dinosaurs.
 
2013-05-10 12:05:22 PM

madgonad: The article is pretty spot on. Voyager, if you completely ignore the first two seasons was an okay show. Not great, but okay. Enterprise could be described in a similar fashion. In fact, I might say that all of the non-TOS shows stunk it up for the first season or two.

Voyager's real problem is that they had too many bad characters.

Janeway, Chakotay, Kim, Kes, and Neelix were all worthless. The Doctor was always good and Seven was almost always good, and Paris, and Torres did a decent job. You can't have a good show when half of the cast sucks.

Remember, TNG was only weighted down by Troi and DS9 usually didn't pay too much attention to Jake.


Not to mention without Jake, we wouldn't have gotten Nog. Nog makes Jake worth the hassle.
 
2013-05-10 12:11:39 PM

ManateeGag: trialpha: // Stopped watching the show when I realized I hated all of the characters.

you hated the Doctor?


The Doctor was arguably the most real character on the show.
 
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