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2013-05-10 10:05:50 AM
angel hernandez.  why am i not surprised?
 
2013-05-10 10:45:44 AM
No, it's because there is a serious umpire accountability issue in baseball right now. A bigger TV screen isn't going to help umpires who don't know the rules, as was evident last night in Houston.
 
2013-05-10 10:46:42 AM
Not too surprising, I'm pretty sure Bud Selig still has one of these in his living room:

www.juliascott.net
 
2013-05-10 10:49:38 AM

Yanks_RSJ: Not too surprising, I'm pretty sure Bud Selig still has one of these in his living room:

[www.juliascott.net image 253x290]


And he's got Ryan Braun's pre-game stretching routine playing in it on a loop using his betamax.
 
2013-05-10 10:51:24 AM
Really, MLB couldn't be arsed to get something like this?

i.dell.com

Best. Monitor. Ever.
 
2013-05-10 10:53:17 AM
According to Gammons, they intentionally got it wrong as a protest against the replay system
 
2013-05-10 10:55:15 AM

Lost Thought 00: According to Gammons, they intentionally got it wrong as a protest against the replay system


Wow, really?  They should be suspended for a month for that.  If that costs the A's a playoff spot, they should get fired for that.
 
2013-05-10 11:00:31 AM

Lost Thought 00: According to Gammons, they intentionally got it wrong as a protest against the replay system


What did he base that assertion on? Or is it just speculation.
 
2013-05-10 11:01:17 AM

Rwa2play: Lost Thought 00: According to Gammons, they intentionally got it wrong as a protest against the replay system

Wow, really?  They should be suspended for a month for that.  If that costs the A's a playoff spot, they should get fired for that.


No, if that is true, that's one of those banishment type things.  No coming back.
 
2013-05-10 11:01:19 AM

WTF Indeed: No, it's because there is a serious umpire accountability issue in baseball right now. A bigger TV screen isn't going to help umpires who don't know the rules, as was evident last night in Houston.


Lots of this.

I saw the replay in a grainy web replay and could STILL see it hit the rail.
 
2013-05-10 11:01:37 AM

Homer Nixon: Lost Thought 00: According to Gammons, they intentionally got it wrong as a protest against the replay system

What did he base that assertion on? Or is it just speculation.


It was on the DP show today. I'm not sure what he was basing it on.
 
2013-05-10 11:03:17 AM

lunchinlewis: Rwa2play: Lost Thought 00: According to Gammons, they intentionally got it wrong as a protest against the replay system

Wow, really?  They should be suspended for a month for that.  If that costs the A's a playoff spot, they should get fired for that.

No, if that is true, that's one of those banishment type things.  No coming back.


I mean, that's the type of attitude that if it had happened in say, the NFL?  The guy would be fired on the spot.

/and ESPN would make a 3-hour special around it
//Yeah, ESPN sucks
///MLB Network rules though
 
2013-05-10 11:07:22 AM

lunchinlewis: Rwa2play: Lost Thought 00: According to Gammons, they intentionally got it wrong as a protest against the replay system

Wow, really?  They should be suspended for a month for that.  If that costs the A's a playoff spot, they should get fired for that.

No, if that is true, that's one of those banishment type things.  No coming back.


Absolutely, fire them all if this is proven to be true.
 
2013-05-10 11:10:20 AM

Lost Thought 00: According to Gammons, they intentionally got it wrong as a protest against the replay system


So Titus Young is an NFL ref now?
 
2013-05-10 11:13:52 AM
It's not like there's (potentially) millions of dollars riding on this sort of thing.

The NHL does it right. Call upstairs or to the war room in Toronto, have them look at it from every available angle on a bank of monitors, confirm or overturn the call.

/Not sayin the NHL gets every call right, but the process is solid
//shiatcan everyone if Gammons is right about the "protest farkup." That shiat is inexcusable.
///EEEVVERYOOOOOOOONE
 
2013-05-10 11:17:51 AM
The MLB Advanced Media Center has all the feeds coming into there. That's where they should keep a replay official who can be called from the white courtesy phone when a ruling is needed.
 
2013-05-10 11:18:23 AM
I don't get it. The author is complaining that the screen displays 720p or 1080i, but not 1080p?
 
2013-05-10 11:19:47 AM

gsiofa: I don't get it. The author is complaining that the screen displays 720p or 1080i, but not 1080p?


720p is enough to get that call right.
 
2013-05-10 11:20:09 AM

robertus: The NHL does it right


Problem with the NHL system is different people doing different games have different interpretations of the rules.
Would be a better system if the on-ice officials could have a look see as well. Either that or have actual officials in the room to help interpret.
 
2013-05-10 11:20:39 AM
Fire all the umps.

Problem solved.
 
2013-05-10 11:22:01 AM

JohnnyCanuck: robertus: The NHL does it right

Problem with the NHL system is different people doing different games have different interpretations of the rules.
Would be a better system if the on-ice officials could have a look see as well. Either that or have actual officials in the room to help interpret.


What?

The NHL has the same guys in Toronto review all the goals.  The only subjectivity at all is the distinct kicking motion call.
 
2013-05-10 11:22:23 AM

robertus: The NHL does it right. Call upstairs or to the war room in Toronto, have them look at it from every available angle on a bank of monitors, confirm or overturn the call.


That's actually (kinda) how it works. All replay comes from the MLB media center in Manhattan.. the problem is it doesn't matter since the ump still has the final say, evidence be damned.

Cheesehead_Dave: That's where they should keep a replay official who can be called from the white courtesy phone when a ruling is needed.


Ump union wouldn't allow it. Which is the problem.
 
2013-05-10 11:22:38 AM

robbiex0r: gsiofa: I don't get it. The author is complaining that the screen displays 720p or 1080i, but not 1080p?

720p is enough to get that call right.


I watched the replay on a 19" SD television and seeing the clip in reverse slo-mo it is absolutely, clear as day evident it bounces off the railing above the fence.
 
2013-05-10 11:25:03 AM

PowerSlacker: Fire all the umps.

Problem solved.


Dunno if you watch football, but the games with the replacement refs were brutal.  I can't imagine it would be any better in MLB.
 
2013-05-10 11:27:05 AM

Orgasmatron138: I can't imagine it would be any better in MLB.


It would actually. Someone did a much better explanation in yesterday's Angel Hernandez thread, but MLB has a whole league's worth of suitable replacements in AAA.
 
2013-05-10 11:27:56 AM

The Bestest: Orgasmatron138: I can't imagine it would be any better in MLB.

It would actually. Someone did a much better explanation in yesterday's Angel Hernandez thread, but MLB has a whole league's worth of suitable replacements in AAA.


And how would they behave any differently in place of the umps now?
 
2013-05-10 11:28:07 AM
I could see it clearly on my 19" Dell computer monitor at work.
 
2013-05-10 11:28:14 AM

JohnnyCanuck: robertus: The NHL does it right

Problem with the NHL system is different people doing different games have different interpretations of the rules.
Would be a better system if the on-ice officials could have a look see as well. Either that or have actual officials in the room to help interpret.


My understanding, though, is that in the NHL all of the replays are done by the same guy.
 
2013-05-10 11:29:11 AM

PowerSlacker: JohnnyCanuck: robertus: The NHL does it right

Problem with the NHL system is different people doing different games have different interpretations of the rules.
Would be a better system if the on-ice officials could have a look see as well. Either that or have actual officials in the room to help interpret.

What?

The NHL has the same guys in Toronto review all the goals.  The only subjectivity at all is the distinct kicking motion call.


No they don't. There are multiple guys in the room, yes. But individuals are assigned to specific games. When you have a full slate of games and there are multiple instances being reviewed at the same time do you think they put the Sharks game ref on hold for 10 mins while they work out the details in the Rangers game?
 
2013-05-10 11:29:56 AM

Orgasmatron138: And how would they behave any differently in place of the umps now?


Two of the biggest problems with the current umps are ego and entrenchment; problems you generally don't have with fresh blood.
 
2013-05-10 11:32:11 AM

Super Chronic: I could see it clearly on my 19" Dell computer monitor at work.


Well I guess it's actually 21", now that I've measured it.  But still.
 
2013-05-10 11:35:13 AM

Homer Nixon: robbiex0r: gsiofa: I don't get it. The author is complaining that the screen displays 720p or 1080i, but not 1080p?

720p is enough to get that call right.

I watched the replay on a 19" SD television and seeing the clip in reverse slo-mo it is absolutely, clear as day evident it bounces off the railing above the fence.


That's what I don't get. What's the author's issue?
 
2013-05-10 11:39:08 AM
Don't get me wrong....I think the NHL has the best replay system of all pro sports. However, they need to. It is the most difficult to officiate. I'm just saying they need to tighten it up a bit. Maybe a little more schooling for those guys as well as adding some bodies in there who's job it is to interpret. One guy determines what actually happened...another to determine how that fits within the rules.
 
2013-05-10 11:39:11 AM

gsiofa: What's the author's issue?


He writes for Deadspin.
 
2013-05-10 11:39:39 AM

Orgasmatron138: The Bestest: Orgasmatron138: I can't imagine it would be any better in MLB.

It would actually. Someone did a much better explanation in yesterday's Angel Hernandez thread, but MLB has a whole league's worth of suitable replacements in AAA.

And how would they behave any differently in place of the umps now?


They would be non-union, which means they could be fired if they suck.

The way it is today, a MLB umpire has a job for life.
 
2013-05-10 11:39:50 AM

Homer Nixon: Lost Thought 00: According to Gammons, they intentionally got it wrong as a protest against the replay system

What did he base that assertion on? Or is it just speculation.


Speculation. But a very serious charge.
 
2013-05-10 11:39:55 AM

The Bestest: Orgasmatron138: And how would they behave any differently in place of the umps now?

Two of the biggest problems with the current umps are ego and entrenchment; problems you generally don't have with fresh blood.


Maybe for a year or two, but eventually you'll get the same shiat.  I used to be a purist against instant replay, but I'm starting to get on board with the idea of expanding it.  I'd also like to see a good automated strike/ball calling system.  What they use on TV now is ok, but I don't get the feeling that it accurately takes true three-dimensional space into consideration.  They could develop something with today's technology, though.
 
2013-05-10 11:41:26 AM

Supes: Homer Nixon: Lost Thought 00: According to Gammons, they intentionally got it wrong as a protest against the replay system

What did he base that assertion on? Or is it just speculation.

Speculation. But a very serious charge.


When I saw the replay, and saw who the umpire was, that was my first inclination. . .protest.
 
2013-05-10 11:42:20 AM

Broktun: Orgasmatron138: The Bestest: Orgasmatron138: I can't imagine it would be any better in MLB.

It would actually. Someone did a much better explanation in yesterday's Angel Hernandez thread, but MLB has a whole league's worth of suitable replacements in AAA.

And how would they behave any differently in place of the umps now?

They would be non-union, which means they could be fired if they suck.

The way it is today, a MLB umpire has a job for life.


If MLB tried pulling that, I think you'd see the players union go on strike in protest.  The baseball players know that they have the best sports union because they were willing to stick out the strike.  Any infringement on union power would probably result in the same situation.
 
2013-05-10 11:43:16 AM

Supes: Homer Nixon: Lost Thought 00: According to Gammons, they intentionally got it wrong as a protest against the replay system

What did he base that assertion on? Or is it just speculation.

Speculation. But a very serious charge.


I'm no champion for the umps, but if that's all Gammons has he should shut his fat mouth.
 
2013-05-10 11:45:32 AM
I am not familiar with the structure of the umpires union but I would love to see them locked out and MiLB umps brought up after their season ends in September.
 
2013-05-10 11:46:14 AM

The Bestest: robertus: The NHL does it right. Call upstairs or to the war room in Toronto, have them look at it from every available angle on a bank of monitors, confirm or overturn the call.

That's actually (kinda) how it works. All replay comes from the MLB media center in Manhattan.. the problem is it doesn't matter since the ump still has the final say, evidence be damned.


I'd be curious to read what the MLB Media Center was telling the umps on that one (if anything). If a replay guy was saying "it's a home run" and Hernandez was still "no, it's a double," then you suspend Hernandez like yesterday. If the replay guy also got it wrong, then maybe there's a systemic issue and maybe you bring the umpires together and have some training on ground rules.

/If Hernandez was like "no, I say it's a double because I dislike the replay system," then you fire him publicly and with great spectacle.
//The NHL replay guys, while not on-ice NHL officials, are certainly trained in the interpretation and application of the rules. Not that any of that makes them infallible.
 
2013-05-10 11:46:37 AM

Orgasmatron138: PowerSlacker: Fire all the umps.

Problem solved.

Dunno if you watch football, but the games with the replacement refs were brutal.  I can't imagine it would be any better in MLB.


I think it would be. Football, when it's being played (cue joke about only 11 minutes of real action per game) is very fast with an incredible amount of rules to watch for. Plus, most (if not all) of the replacements were not used to refing games with NFL rules (holding in the secondary was a big difference). In baseball, it's much simpler, time is not a factor, and the rules are consistent. Really, an MLB umpire's job is years easier than one in the NFL, and to be fair a lot of that has to do with the inane amount of things a ref has to watch for.
 
2013-05-10 11:48:10 AM

Orgasmatron138: Maybe for a year or two, but eventually you'll get the same shiat.  I used to be a purist against instant replay, but I'm starting to get on board with the idea of expanding it.  I'd also like to see a good automated strike/ball calling system.  What they use on TV now is ok, but I don't get the feeling that it accurately takes true three-dimensional space into consideration.  They could develop something with today's technology, though.


They just need to keep umps accountable via performance reviews. Honestly though strike zone accountability and consistency is way more important than the calls on the field, which (should) be easy to fix on close calls via instant replay.

Never going to replace umps calling balls/strikes with a PitchFX type system, as superior as such a system would be. i just can't see it.... too many people would scream bloody murder and that they're destroying the sport.
 
2013-05-10 11:50:42 AM
MLB crushed the umpires union. Remember the "we all resign" "ok, bye" thing?

The richest umpires don't even make the player's minimum. MLB could send umps home and keep paying them. The fact of the matter is that MLB simply doesn't care about shiat umpiring. Every single "well if THIS happened" scenario has already happened and nothing has changed.
 
2013-05-10 11:50:43 AM

Super Chronic: Super Chronic: I could see it clearly on my 19" Dell computer monitor at work.

Well I guess it's actually 21", now that I've measured it.  But still.


That's what she said HEYOOO
 
2013-05-10 11:50:51 AM

Supes: They just need to keep umps accountable via performance reviews.


The union will not allow it.
 
2013-05-10 11:50:55 AM

SkittlesAreYum: I think it would be. Football, when it's being played (cue joke about only 11 minutes of real action per game) is very fast with an incredible amount of rules to watch for. Plus, most (if not all) of the replacements were not used to refing games with NFL rules (holding in the secondary was a big difference). In baseball, it's much simpler, time is not a factor, and the rules are consistent. Really, an MLB umpire's job is years easier than one in the NFL, and to be fair a lot of that has to do with the inane amount of things a ref has to watch for.


The biggest problem the NFL replacement refs had (and yes, I'm aware they also made terrible calls) was keeping the game moving and avoiding incredibly lengthy delays to discuss rulings.  As you said, that isn't really an issue in baseball since the rule book is much simpler and the game tends to move itself along at it's own pace anyway.

The biggest problem with many of MLBs "top level" umpires is that their egos outweigh their ability to call a game.  Angel Hernandez and CB Bucknor are two of the worst umps the league has, and the reason we know that is because they make sure we know they're umpiring a game.
 
2013-05-10 11:51:01 AM
Part of the MLB statement on the call (to their credit they admitted it was wrong):

"By rule, the decision to reverse a call by use of instant replay is at the sole discretion of the crew chief. ... It was a judgment call, and as such, it stands as final"

Really? A judgment call? How is it a judgment call? Either it hit something other than the top of the fence, or it didn't. Baseball really should have almost no judgment calls (balls & strikes probably, since there is no boundary visible to the ump, and balks). Safe/out? Also not a judgment call.
 
2013-05-10 11:53:48 AM

Yanks_RSJ: The biggest problem the NFL replacement refs had (and yes, I'm aware they also made terrible calls) was keeping the game moving and avoiding incredibly lengthy delays to discuss rulings.


Yeah, you could tell at minimum with every huddle whomever threw the flag on the play was probably like "yeah, I saw a holding...I think...on #75...or #68....that big guy over there...or him....fark". I'm sure there was a lot of second-guessing going on given the pressure they were under.
 
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